A warning to Bob Barr: Brawls over illegal immigration and gay marriage loom

So far as we know, Bob Barr hasn’t yet decide whether to challenge U.S. Rep. Tom Graves of Ranger in a Republican primary fight for the 14th Congressional District.

But somebody out there is already trying to help the 2008 Libertarian presidential candidate make up his mind – with a quick bit of opposition research that prophesies that a challenge to Graves would quickly devolve into a brawl over immigration and gay marriage.

We don’t know the author, but you can examine the sheet by clicking here. It accuses Barr, a former Georgia congressman, of registering as a lobbyist for the ACLU, and – in 2008, as a Libertarian – of openly campaigning against GOP presidential nominee John McCain.

Let us just say that, given the way that McCain is viewed by many grassroots Republicans in Georgia, that last point may be somewhat insincere.

Among sheet’s main arguments:

Bob Barr opposed H.B. 87, Georgia’s tough new illegal immigration law

– Barr claims that Georgia’s [tough] new illegal immigration law was only passed “to make good headlines” and says it is “bad policy.”

– Barr’s ACLU buddies have joined with the Mexican government in suing Georgia over H.B. 87.

(Source: ajc.com: The Barr Code: 2/14/11)

Here’s a passage from the Barr column in question:

Politics aside, it is interesting to witness so many Republican legislators who profess allegiance to principles of federalism and more limited government police power, tripping over themselves to support legislation such as these immigration-based bills.

Greatly expanding the power of law state and local law enforcement to stop and detain people, premised on a power that resides with the federal, not state government to begin with, hardly fits traditional definitions of “conservative.” When it comes to immigration, consistency is often not a component of the debate.

And there’s this, also from the sheet:

Bob Barr now supports gay marriage

– In Congress, Barr wrote the Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage on the federal level as a legal union between a man and a woman.

– Now, lobbyist Barr agrees with President Obama that the law is unconstitutional and supports the decision by the Department of Justice to stop defending the law in court.

(Source: LA Times.com: Opinion: Bob Barr, 1/5/09)

Bob Barr now supports repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

– In a keynote speech to this year’s Log Cabin Republicans National Convention, Barr said that “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell should be repealed…..”

(Long Cabin Republicans News Release: Congressman Bob Barr’s Remarks at 2011 Long Cabin National Convention, Apr. 30, 2011)

The Log Cabin speech is still online. Here’s a paragraph:

”A license is a control mechanism; also a means to raise revenue. To license is to grant permission. To license is to control. Which brings us to the real question when discussing whether same-sex marriage should be legal – why do individuals need the government’s permission to marry? The real issue here is not marriage – it is control. Control – the Big C of 21st Century public policy. The important question is whether the government has the proper authority to dictate which individuals can enter into a binding legal agreement. The very nature and history of government action since our nation’s founding reveals it is all about power and control. The effort to define marriage directly or indirectly is but another of many examples of this universal truth.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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83 comments Add your comment

Drooly

October 27th, 2011
3:23 pm

To say zippo about his open borders agenda.

NW GA gal

October 27th, 2011
3:41 pm

Wow – this shows how scared Graves and his tea-drinking buddies must be of Barr’s considerable fundraising abilities! If he really thought these issues would crush Barr, he’d keep them neatly tucked away for a moment much further down the campaign trail.

joe

October 27th, 2011
3:41 pm

Looney Tunes Barr at it again

Legally Here

October 27th, 2011
3:43 pm

“Barr’s ACLU buddies have joined with the Mexican government in sewing Georgia over H.B. 87.

The Mexican government is “sewing” Georgia? Can’t wait to see what that blanket looks like.

cartoon

October 27th, 2011
3:43 pm

Bob Barr couldn’t get elected to a girl scout cookie jamboree.

Tim B.

October 27th, 2011
3:44 pm

Ahhh, it has already started. Republicans attacking republicans. Don’t you just love political season?

Cecil

October 27th, 2011
3:45 pm

Barr would wipe the floor with Graves. Find something better to write about Jimmy boy.

yuzeyurbrane

October 27th, 2011
3:46 pm

Who wudda thunk? And I always thought Barr was a right-winger!!

Mark

October 27th, 2011
3:48 pm

You mean to tell me all you guys beat “td” posting? WOW she must be losing her mo-jo. LOL

Wayne

October 27th, 2011
3:50 pm

Aren’t we stretching just a bit here? Once Barr decides to run, I’m sure he will have a good reason for writing and saying what he did. Sounds like Galloway isn’t a fan of Barr by printing this garbage. Galloway, you scared Barr might get elected?

TruthBe

October 27th, 2011
3:51 pm

Man’s laws are faulded. But GOD’s laws are not. Marriage is betwwen one man and one women. Gays are not to be married but can have a union if they want. Real Marriage does have it’s advanages. So what. Don’t like it then get a “Real Marrige” or some help.

Jerome Horwitz

October 27th, 2011
3:53 pm

I always feel like I need a shower when I agree with Bob. However, he, at least, is true to his convictions. Unlike the rest of the GA delegation who believe they can legislate morality.

Reagan Conservative

October 27th, 2011
3:58 pm

New title to article: “A warning to Tom Graves: be afraid, be very afraid.” Graves is scared and is probably wetting his pants from all the tea he’s had.

Tom

October 27th, 2011
3:59 pm

TruthBe, to the laws of which “God” are you referring?

In this country, THE only and final arbiter for ANY and ALL law is the Constitution of the United States…..not the Bible, the Talmud, the Torah, the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Rig-Veda, the Tripitaka, the Book of Buddha, or Mastering the Art of French Cooking (my fave of the bunch).

Rangers in 6

October 27th, 2011
4:00 pm

Haha. That’s right reagan. Graves should invest in depends if he decides to go on the campaign trial against Barr.

SAWB

October 27th, 2011
4:01 pm

While I will readily admit there are a lot of things about homosexuality that I do not understand. However, I fail to see how what Ben & Jerry do in their mid-town bungalow is of any real concern to me or anyone else. If they leave me alone than I see no reason not to simply leave them alone. Maybe we need to focus on how the Federal Government is “doing” us and not who is “doing” each other.

td

October 27th, 2011
4:02 pm

I do get to vote in this election and it may be a good idea to send Bob back to Washington. He did such a good job on impeaching Clinton and we may need his services again if Obama gets re elected.

Mikes

October 27th, 2011
4:16 pm

Bob Barr was never as conservative as he appeared. There are those who have not forgiven him for what he did to Pat Swindall.

DannyX

October 27th, 2011
4:17 pm

“Man’s laws are faulded. But GOD’s laws are not.”

What on earth does that mean? God’s law?

Divorce is a CHOICE!
Public prayer is FORBIDDEN!

God’s law?

Tom

October 27th, 2011
4:17 pm

Barr came to realize that one’s personal beliefs cannot be used as license to usurp and/or bass tur dize the Constitution.

jgalloway

October 27th, 2011
4:18 pm

Wayne:

Chances are that I’ve known Bob Barr longer than you’ve been alive — since his federal prosecutor days. He’s a nice fellow, and we respect each other. I knew Tom Graves when he was in the General Assembly. Again, a very nice guy.

I think you might want to adjust your concept of news. Reporting on an attack that’s out there — clearly an effort, however anonymous, to make Barr think twice about joining the race — isn’t the same as endorsing that effort.

Supporters of Graves, I’m sure, will be heartened by some of the paragraphs above. But fans of Barr also might want to know that their guy is already posing a worry to some Graves’ enthusiasts.

Once in a while, you have to step back and let an actual fact wash over you.

Centrist

October 27th, 2011
4:24 pm

It is gross journalistic neglect to publish rumor, unsubstantiated facts, and anonymous/unattributed hit pieces. Pure ulterior motives are at play here.

But then I expect nothing more from the AJC.

Ryan Shakur

October 27th, 2011
4:25 pm

My man Bob Barr…good ol’ Bob. I like to call him “The Answer Man”, that guy’s got the answer for EVERYTHING.

But I guess so does Tom Graves…only problem: I never heard of ‘em LOL. just kidding

Let the games begin :)

Ga Values...Just call me heartless

October 27th, 2011
4:34 pm

I have my problems with Bob, mainly the ughly women e runs around with but I voted for him for President & would vote for him if he runs for the House. Graves is simply a crook.

td

October 27th, 2011
4:38 pm

Who is Wayne?

RGB

October 27th, 2011
4:41 pm

Is Barr still pro-Second Amendment or is that passe’?

Independent voter

October 27th, 2011
4:41 pm

I will vote for Barr because he didnt think Troy Davis should be murder.

Big Daddy

October 27th, 2011
4:43 pm

Bob Barr lost his marbles a long time ago. However, anything he did to Pat Swindle [sic], short of gutting him in the woods, was not extreme enough.

Three Jack

October 27th, 2011
4:50 pm

centrist, there is nothing unsubstantiated about the fact sheet, it’s all true and would lead me along with many others to vote for Barr over Graves. As a conservative, I agree with Barr’s opposition to HB87, marijuana laws and gay marriage restrictions (they should suffer the same as us heterosexuals many of whom have decided living together is much more appealing than signing off for life with one person).

If it comes down to a personal comparison of the 2 guys, Graves better be worried. Anybody who would defend not paying back $2M by saying, ‘the bank should have known I didn’t have that kind of money when they loaned it to me’ doesn’t deserve to be re-elected.

Independent voter

October 27th, 2011
4:54 pm

I am prochoice why should we decide if same sex choose to marry it none of my business.
Td you can try your best to impeach president Obama but it want work.

Td my vote will count in Georgia for president Obama.

Ol' Timer

October 27th, 2011
4:54 pm

Everybody is entitled to be stupid, including Mr. Graves and his rabid followers; however, it does appear that some are abusing the privilege.

Diehard

October 27th, 2011
4:54 pm

Pity the people of the 14th district that they might actually have a choice between a public servant and a politician. For all Barr’s foibles and past indiscretions on issues, he is a learned and studious public servant. Barr was chairman of the Cobb GOP when it was a real party organization. He chose to be a Republican here in Georgia when it was not the easy thing to do nor did it come with any guarantees of being on the winning side. Tom Graves is just plain lucky.

Independent voter

October 27th, 2011
4:55 pm

JGalloway we need someone in Georgia who can beat Nathan Deal.

Hypocrite Hunter

October 27th, 2011
4:55 pm

Graves supporters should be afraid of Bob Barr. Graves is a nice guy, and his passionate populism has resonated with his district but his financial failures shroud his message with a huge hypocrisy question mark. Barr actually moves the personal liberty pendulum a little center right and leaves the economic message pretty consistent. Barr is consistent and a great campaigner who is both reasoned and passionate in his positions. It will be interesting to see how that message is heard.

Independent voter

October 27th, 2011
4:57 pm

Hypocrite Hunter do you think Bob Barr will win the african american vote because he was against the murder of Troy Davis.

Aquagirl

October 27th, 2011
5:04 pm

It is gross journalistic neglect to publish rumor, unsubstantiated facts, and anonymous/unattributed hit pieces.

Take all those out of political news and Jim would be running a blank column every day.

RGB

October 27th, 2011
5:05 pm

I’ll bet Barr won’t get the police officer-murderer vote–whatcha think?

Centrist

October 27th, 2011
5:06 pm

@ Three Jack – A “fact” sheet that has no author has NO BUSINESS being published in a newspaper.

Graves (and Rogers) borrowed the money based on property as EQUITY along with their signatures. Typical like many loans during the rising real estate market bubble. They were foreclosed and lost the equity to the bank. They were sued for the difference, but counter-sued claiming there was a promise of refinancing which never was executed. BOTH suits were SETTLED. We don’t know the terms of the settlement – it was a private business transaction and private settlement. No taxpayer dollars were involved. Lies about not paying back $2M, and taxpayers on the hook are typical here – but lies nonetheless.

Hate to tell you and the other partisans – Graves is going to be overwhelmingly re-elected because his politics fit well with a large majority of his constituents. He will likely lose some votes due to this bad business deal since it reflects on him personally. Partisans can call the tens of thousands of voters who re-elect him “stupid”, “rednecks”, or whatever – it won’t change the outcome.

Frederick Douglass

October 27th, 2011
5:18 pm

Independent Voter

Apparently you’re new to Georgia, and haven’t heard the persistent rumor that’s been floating around about Bob Barr being a black man that’s passing for white (true story). Kind of sheds a new light on the Troy Davis saga, and whether people think blacks will vote for Barr in great numbers.

jconservative

October 27th, 2011
5:27 pm

Jim,
Most Georgians are not partial to facts. You should know this. So no need to bring them out.

Barr will learn that one needs to be careful to what you write if there is any possibility of running for elective ofice. Reference Rick Perry’s book which has sunk his presidential ambitions.

NW GA gal

October 27th, 2011
5:28 pm

Hey, fellas, why are you worried about the “black vote” in this contest?
a) only 8.26% of the voting age population is the new 14th CD is African-American (only the new 9th is “whiter”)
b) how many of these neighbors of mine are registered?
c) how many will pick of a GOP ballot next summer?
Find something else to wonder about – the “black vote” will not impact this possible race!

Michael Marr

October 27th, 2011
5:34 pm

Galloway would be accused of being liberal by saying Obama is president.

yuzeyurbrane

October 27th, 2011
5:40 pm

Centrist, interesting ability to rationalize ethical shortcomings of Graves. Would you do the same for a Democrat office holder? I go by the smell test and by the old saying that if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, it’s a duck. Anyway, don’t live in that district so I don’t have a dog in that fight between 2 pretty conservative guys.

MB

October 27th, 2011
5:42 pm

Bob Barr will say and do anything to get elected. At best he is a RINO who lacks integrity. I hope he does decide to run so a true conservative like Tom Graves can whip his tail!

AntiGalloway

October 27th, 2011
5:50 pm

Jesus Christ, listening or reading anything from Galloway is akin to 1: watching my ex-wife argue with herself in an empty parking lot OR 2: Practicing mental masturbation. Lots of brain enjoyment, nothing of real substance.

Centrist

October 27th, 2011
6:01 pm

yuzeyurbrane posted – “Centrist, interesting ability to rationalize ethical shortcomings of Graves. Would you do the same for a Democrat office holder?”

No rationalization – just listed the FACTS that were reported in the AJC. I said he will lose SOME votes as it reflects on him personally. I’m not endorsing him.

And yes, I would do the same for a Democrat office holder who was being lied about here – but have yet to see that happen other than unfair personal attacks on Obama when I have often stated that I think is wrong and in poor taste.

Bob

October 27th, 2011
6:15 pm

If this is true, then you’ve got a crook (Graves) against a delusional old man (Barr), and what kind of choice is that? I’m thinking we would be better off without any representation in the 14th, maybe outsourcing decisions to Bechtel or Hailiburton.

bart

October 27th, 2011
6:22 pm

Graves is unethical and a crook. Anybody would be better than him.

ElGordo

October 27th, 2011
6:25 pm

My recollection is that Barr actually worked with the ACLU on a fairly conservative issue. Considering that Barr has earned worldwide renown as a privacy expert, this makes perfect sense. From their press release:

WASHINGTON – In a surprise announcement that comes on the heels of news that the outgoing Majority Leader, Richard Armey (R-TX), is considering consulting for the American Civil Liberties Union, the group said today that it also plans to hire conservative firebrand Bob Barr (R-GA) to work on informational and data privacy issues.

“Rep. Barr and the ACLU disagree on many other issues, but we have no doubt that a strange bedfellows collaboration between us will yield great things for informational and data privacy rights,” said Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said that Barr’s agreement to work with the ACLU “demonstrates how deeply concerns about personal privacy cut across partisan lines.” He noted that the ACLU has “no permanent friendsand no permanent enemies, just permanent values.”

“We look forward to working with Congressman Barr in our fight to protect data and information privacy,” Romero said.

The ACLU’s Murphy said that with both Congress and the White House controlled by the Republican Party, the ACLU must be realistic as it seeks to influence policy in Washington. “If we’re going to affect federal policy, we have to have access.” …

Dave

October 27th, 2011
6:57 pm

So, though I hated him years ago, given the quotes, I’d have to vote for him now if I lived over there.