Rick Santorum: Herman Cain just waffled on abortion
Republican Herman Cain continued his presidential close-up on Wednesday with an interview with Piers Morgan that aired late Wednesday on CNN.
One of the first topics was where the blame lies for the current economic meltdown. From the transcript:
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain delivers a keynote address during the Western Republican Leadership Conference on Wednesday in Las Vegas. AP/Isaac Brekken
Morgan: Give me — give me a very quick pie. Here’s a pie. How much is Obama’s fault? How much is Wall Street’s a fault? How much is the fault of the people themselves?
Cain: I would say that 50 percent of it is Obama’s fault, 25 percent of it is Wall Street’s fault, and 25 percent of it is the individual’s fault.
Morgan: That’s a straight answer, from a politician.
Cain: I’m not a politician.
The pair then strayed into the topic of homosexuality. Cain repeated his contention that sexual orientation was a choice:
Morgan: Wait a minute, let me ask you. You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens normally and go, you know what, I quite fancy being a homosexual? You don’t believe that.
Cain: Piers.
Morgan: Do you?
Cain: You haven’t given me any evidence to convince me otherwise nor has anyone else.
Morgan: My gut instinct, Herman, tells me it has to be a natural thing.
Cain: OK, so it’s your gut instinct against my gut instinct. It’s a wash. It’s a push.
That being said, I respect their right to make that choice. You don’t see me bashing them or anything like that. I respect their right to make that choice. I don’t have to agree with it. That’s all I’m saying.
Morgan: It would be like a gay person saying, Herman, you made a choice to be black.
Cain: We know that’s not the case. I was born black.
Morgan: Yes, maybe if they said that, you would find it offensive. CAIN: Piers, this doesn’t wash off. I hate to burst your bubble.
Morgan: I don’t think being a homosexual washes off.
GOP presidential rival Rick Santorum, the former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, this afternoon attacked Cain for comments he made in the following section, on the topic of abortion. The former Georgia radio talk show host said he believes that life begins at conception – but also added that abortion “ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.”
Santorum – who has based his campaign on gathering support from social conservatives — called the comments “gravely troubling.” The Iowa Republican is raising similar questions.
You decide:
Morgan: But you’ve had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
Cain: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?
Morgan: Why?
Cain: You’re mixing –
Morgan: That’s what it comes down to.
Cain: No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.
Morgan: By expressing the view that you expressed, you are effectively — you might be president. You can’t hide behind now the mask, if you don’t mind me saying, of being the pizza guy. You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
Cain: No they don’t. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
Morgan: That’s a very interesting departure –
Cain: Yes.
Morgan: — from the normal politics.
Cain: Exactly.
Cain has been criticized for conducting a cable TV campaign rather than building networks of supporters in early primary states.
He returned to Iowa today after a two-month absence, and announced that his effort in that state would be headed by former Iowa GOP chairman Steve Grubbs.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Tiberius
October 20th, 2011
1:50 pm
Cain isn’t a politican by choice. He is not a politican b/c GOP voters rejected him in 2004. If Cain had his way, he’d be the 2 term junior Senator from GA right now.
rd
October 20th, 2011
1:55 pm
Santorum is the worst sort of politician there is in the USA. And, the worst of the Republican lot.
Skeptic in the Burbs (Undecided)
October 20th, 2011
1:55 pm
I gotta say I try really hard not to like Cain, but he continuously does things I like.
His take on the gay issue is a little nuianced. While I would prefer that he be more logical about it and admit that it’s a condition rather than a decision, I appreciate that he is not being a jerk and not saying he has a problem with anyone being gay. He obviously never knew a teenager who so desperately wanted to not be gay that they took their own life to escape the pain.
Regarding the big “A’ issue, he seems pro-Choice, and that’s fine with me, too.
Now, if he could just explain his tax plan in a way that doesn;t make it seem regressive, he might get my vote.
Rick Santorum
October 20th, 2011
1:56 pm
I saw what you wrote rd , and I’m telling my big brother J.C.
You’re gonna get it.
SAWB
October 20th, 2011
1:57 pm
I am very undecided about Cain, but he is refreshing. I mean we all hate the traditional politicians, but then we turn around and say he shouldn’t be President because he has no experience. I wonder though how much more experience does the Governor of Texas or the Junior Senator from Illinois have. Let’s be honest neither of those guys really improved things, so who knows maybe we need something different.
Ga Values...Just call me heartless
October 20th, 2011
1:58 pm
I see where Mayor Reed has fired 2 of the few honest people in the Atlanta City government. I only have 1 question does he have to share the kick backs off the Waste/Belt line with the Jackson Family or keep it all for himself? Inquiring minds want to know..
td
October 20th, 2011
2:01 pm
I have not made my mind up yet about who I am voting for in the primary but if Cain can keep up these types plain language, honest interviews then he may get my support. Whoever wins the primary will get my support, money and time to defeat Obama.
DHD
October 20th, 2011
2:02 pm
Just proves that Herman is not a politician with slick sound bites. if you want that, keep Obama.
BullDawg Rick
October 20th, 2011
2:04 pm
Herman Cain in ‘12
Ol' Timer
October 20th, 2011
2:05 pm
I bolstered myself for the Republican debacle by having a ready supply of Maker’s Mark at the right hand on Tuesday night.
As time went along I found myself needing a generous dose of the sauce to hang in there and when Mr. Cain started the apples and oranges explanation of his 9-9-9 tax plan I got totally confused.
But I hung in there and again fortified myself with the good stuff until Perry started to sound intelligible, so had to cut it off and go to bed. I figured I’d had too much of a good thing.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:06 pm
Cain did a great job last night….he still has a long ways to go but he did a great job.
Clinton "Skink" Tyree
October 20th, 2011
2:08 pm
I beg your pardon: Herman Cain’t in 2012.
The oligarchs that are gaming the system with their support of Mr. Cain will spit him out like a sunflower seed when he begins to fade — and that’ll happen when the debates turn to foreign policy.
BEND OVER, HERE COMES THE CHANGE
October 20th, 2011
2:09 pm
I voted for Herman when he ran for the senate. I spoke with him for about a half hour about 3 months ago – he called me after he found out I had stage IV colon cancer like him, and gave me his Dr’s name here and at MD Anderson. I could not find a more straight talking candidate for President.
Three Jack
October 20th, 2011
2:13 pm
My man Herman! I just grew to like him even more with his answer about abortion. Rick Santorum, the supposed conservative would use the police power of government to force a rape victim to have the child. Can you imagine how rough it would be for that poor kid growing up?
Santorum proved his lack of conservative credentials with his support of government intervention during the Terry Schiavo episode where he was leading the charge to have congress takeover the family’s position in deciding Terry’s fate. Santorum is a joke, time to get back to being the unemployable ex-senator from PA.
Herman 2012!
Cain You Believe It! Heaven Help Us!
October 20th, 2011
2:14 pm
Buffoonery is alive and well with Herman Cain. HE IS A BIG BUFFOON WHO ENJOYS HIS 15 MINUTES OF FLIM FLAM!!!
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:15 pm
Cain….what is it about him that you do not like? Calling a Black man a “Baffoon” doesnt really help your case.
Tom (Independent)
October 20th, 2011
2:15 pm
Why are people with NO CHANCE like Rick Santorum trying to make things difficult for a serious contender like Herman Cain?? What are his motives? He acts like a wimp and was probably last person picked on sports teams earlier in his life. That is if he was picked at all!
WorriedAboutMyCountry
October 20th, 2011
2:15 pm
Cain is NOT pro-choice.
He is absolutely right that government has no business in deciding what a family should or should not do, The decision as well as the responsibility ultimately rests with the families to decide about the fate of the unborn baby.
He already said that it is morally wrong, but it is not his or any politicians business to tell what people can do or can not do about abortion.
Ringer
October 20th, 2011
2:17 pm
I am pulling for Herman hard. People want to point to small nuances in his stances and say he’s waffling or flip flopping on an issue when in reality he’s been saying the same thing repeatedly. Sometimes he has to refine his statements to help clarify but never have I seen him make a dramatic change in opinion. He’s a regular guy who answers questions directly. Sometimes those answers just come off a different way than we intend. The real question is what does he BELIEVE as core principles. Of that I don’t think anyone doubts he’s a genuine guy.
2012: CAIN is Able!
October 20th, 2011
2:18 pm
Herman > Barack
Piers Morgan = Manure
CNN = (see: Morgan, Piers)
Tom (Independent)
October 20th, 2011
2:18 pm
Cainyou believe – Herman is no more a BUFFOON than Barrack Hussein Obama is a BUFFOON!! How does that grab you lib??
mystery poster
October 20th, 2011
2:18 pm
Refreshing???
According to the truth-o-meter, almost everything he says is either false or “pants on fire.”
Red
October 20th, 2011
2:19 pm
I know a lot of straight talking people. But that doesn’t make them qualified and knowledgeable to be President of the US. You have to have a fundamental understanding of both foreign and domestic policy and a plan (realistic as well) in both arenas. Right now all Cain has is domestic and even it is solely based on 9-9-9. And one of the designers of this plan is now saying it must be redesigned. So the only thing Cain has to run on is being pulled and retooled. Does not bode well for a man trying to run the US. His backtracking over trading hostages with terrorists is a fine example of a man in way over his head. I’d feel much better if he were running for Congress making these slip-ups. One of over 500 in Congress making mistakes and lacking fundamental knowledge in areas does not cause problems. A President making these mistakes causes wars and major strife.
2012: CAIN is Able!
October 20th, 2011
2:19 pm
Where can I get a pair of glasses like Herman Cain?
Those spectacles are SHARP, whereas the average liberal is not.
Occupy THIS!
Jack
October 20th, 2011
2:19 pm
Cain can waffle all he wants…he’s no match for the BIG waffler in the White House.
Mid Ga Retiree
October 20th, 2011
2:20 pm
Kind of refreshing, isn’t it.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:20 pm
Mystery…..Prove it.
2012: CAIN is Able!
October 20th, 2011
2:21 pm
Herman Cain = LEGITIMATE United States Citizen with Valid Social Security Number
Barry Soetoro = Not so much.
2012: CAIN is Able!
October 20th, 2011
2:24 pm
Wow.
With all this talk of waffles and the White House, this article has me suddenly craving some goodness from the WAFFLE HOUSE.
That is sort of how news stories on “Battered Women” make me suddenly hungry for either Pancakes for Fish ‘n Chips or even Popcorn.
Mmmm…… BUTTERED Women……. mmmmmmm……..
Tom (Independent)
October 20th, 2011
2:26 pm
Red – Herman has more experience than your Community Organizer buddy!!
Travis McGee
October 20th, 2011
2:26 pm
One thing is for certain, the Republicans just have a hard time fielding a viable candidate. The Tea Party will only support someone who’s unelectable.
The most electable candidate is Romney but he will be kicked to the curb in the southern Red States.
And, so it goes. . . . John McCain Part II.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:28 pm
Travis….part of your comment makes a lot of sense. However either Cain, Romney or Perry would definately beat Obama in a general election. We are good!
Be Careful of the Stones U Throw
October 20th, 2011
2:31 pm
@Skeptic in the Burbs (Undecided) October 20th, 2011 1:55 pm
Herman Cain is putting on a minstrel show for the good white folks. He is just tap dancing to what they want to hear. He better be careful of the stones he throw they may come back to knock him down a peg.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:32 pm
I don’t understand why Piers (or anyone else, for that matter) didn’t make the following, logical conclusion from Cain’s position – CAIN IS PRO CHOICE.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:33 pm
Be Careful….because he is smart, well educated, successful and driven you think he is “tap dancing” for the white folk. Can you say “ignorant”?
td
October 20th, 2011
2:33 pm
Travis McGee
October 20th, 2011
2:26 pm
Romney is not getting any support because he is the one closer to McCain than any of the other Republicans running. Newt, Rick S, Michele, John and Ron are the only Republican candidates that are close to giving Obama another 4 years. The remaining three are all ahead of him in polls right now and one of them will likly be the next President.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:36 pm
UGA 1999 – you are the ignorant one here; you show it time after time after time after time after time after time, etc. To the point where your moniker is a disgrace to the school it purports to represent.
Holding My Nose and Voting
October 20th, 2011
2:37 pm
as between a “no-nonsense” rambler and a polished politician with slick sound bites, give me the latter as Leader of the Free World.
And as for the knucklehead who said Cain is not “pro-Choice,” the position he espoused to Piers is the very definition of “pro-Choice.” What is wrong with you?
Here’s the deal with the GOP primary:
Cain is cool because he is focused on what seems to be important right now – the economy. Focus is good, but sometimes it can hurt. I remember Sen McCain touting his foreign policy credentials ans saying he had a plan to end the Iraq War with dignity and then admitting the economy was not his strong suit. And we know how well that comment served him.
Romney looks presidential. He acts presidential most of the time, and he has experience leading a state with resources and a bi-partisan culture. His only problem with conservatives is that he is not really all that conservative on social issues, and he is not afraid to admit that a comprehensive public health insurance mandate is good for the voters.
The problem with all the other candidates, including Perry, is that they are absurd mutant charicatures of what they perceive their base to be. Santorum actually seems to take himself seriously and he sticks to the same issues he’s been whining about for 10 years. The problem there is no one listens to him except for his mom and lunatics.
Be Careful of the Stones U Throw
October 20th, 2011
2:37 pm
@UGA 1999 October 20th, 2011 2:15 pm
White people love negros that tap dance to their tune. Herman Cain is an uncle Tom who caters to the white people. He thinks he is America’s Savoir because he has made a few dollars. I applaud him for his career but he should not forget the people who got him where he is today.
Where were all the good ole white folks when he did not have a nickle to rub together?
Edward
October 20th, 2011
2:38 pm
The only thing more ignorant than Herman Cain are the people who support him.
UGA 1992
October 20th, 2011
2:38 pm
@ Red – the 999 is not being pulled or retooled as you falsely claim. It is being attacked by those that are too stupid to understand the details of the plan. It is not a VAT. It is a replacement tax. It will removed the embedded taxes already in the price of goods and replace it with a very visible sales tax. Do your homework. Read Art Laffer’s or Paul Ryan’s assessment if you want the truth.
Charles
October 20th, 2011
2:38 pm
This sounds to me like Cain is pro-choice. He’s not saying hard and fast that a woman shouldn’t under any circumstances have an abortion. That’s pretty much what I usually hear coming from the Right. What he said is pretty much what most people on the other side say. Dems aren’t telling women to go out have a ball and if you get pregnant you know there is always abortion. Yet that is what the Right wants you to believe. I would venture to say that the majority of people don’t believe that abortion is morally right, but just like Herman said, they don’t think it’s the right of the government to tell the woman what to do. So how is he not pro-choice again?
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:39 pm
Oh, the hip hopcrysy……again, you show no point. Just point fingers and blame. It is ok, we are all used to it from your side. Something will never change.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:40 pm
Be Careful….because he believes in self reliance and not standing outside welfare office with his hand out, you call him an Uncle Tom.
HAHA, Keep on drinking what Obama is feeding you. You will be a government leach your entire life.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:40 pm
UGA 1999 – kettle calling the pot black much? idiot.
UGA 1992
October 20th, 2011
2:41 pm
@ Be Careful – you are showing who is the real bigot. I find it very interesting that those that scream racism are the very one’s calling Cain an Uncle Tom. Talk about hipocrisy!!
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:41 pm
Oh, the…..good job, there it is again. Keep on doing that…..we all laugh at you!
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:42 pm
Oh,,,,,thanks, you did it again! haha great.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:42 pm
UGA 1999 – i’d venture to say you’re currently in the unemployment line typing your asinine ramblings from a device supplied and paid for by your mom and dad, both of whom are in agreement that you’re a load that should have been swallowed.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:42 pm
1992…AMEN!
Did you pledge?
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:43 pm
Oh, the hyp…..nope I am a repub remember I dont believe in the unemployment line!
HEY GALLOWAY please read the last post from OH THE HYPOCRISY and ban him! Thank you….
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:43 pm
ah, yes, the american college fraternity – last bastion of those who are unable to think for themselves.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:44 pm
uga 1999 – how very fascist of you
Marie
October 20th, 2011
2:45 pm
@Travis McGee — as a woman I can truly say that Mitt Romney is a good looking man and he certainly has that presidential look. But that’s all he has. I’m sorry he wants this soooooooo bad and it shows. The man just comes across like a starving fat man in a long buffet line; waiting his turn while he’s chumping at the bit.
I love what Herman Cain said about the President (or First Lady) not letting his opinion on an issue be a directive to the nation; the government does not need to tell everyone what to do. Can someone please get that memo to Obama and his precious wife? I don’t need you telling me what to eat Meechelle!!!
UGA 1992
October 20th, 2011
2:46 pm
@ UGA 1999 – no, I joined the military and did not start at UGA until I was 23 yrs. old. Never joined a frat, lived off campus and studied hard to get my degree. I respect and support Herman because he represents what I value in life – hard work and honesty.
Reality Check
October 20th, 2011
2:46 pm
The problem with the media is they always ask the anti-abortion candidates “what if your wife or daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result?” The real question they should be asking is: “What if your girlfriend got pregnant? Would you rather she have a confidential medical procedure to terminate the pregnancy or have the baby that could be subjected to DNA testing later?”
I'm a Moron
October 20th, 2011
2:47 pm
Someone said Romney won’t do well in the South in the GOP primary. I’m not sure where you were in 2008, but Romney won in Georgia. Of course, he won’t have McCain to make him look less human this time around.
Romney will win the primary easily.
Then he can run in the general election as the President’s little brother. He will be the moderate, who claims to be conservative, running against the moderate, who is fine with being called a moderate.
Or he can just be the guy who pretends he doesn’t like the healthcare plan he envisioned and poured $500 million into, running against the guy who freely admits that he believes the healthcare plan is the right thing for all Americans.
But, hey, we at least have a whole year to pretend like the inevitable isn’t going to happen.
The GOP is the party of self-inflicted wounds. Everyone will be standing around looking at each other next November saying “how could this happen? I mean that man, Barry, he is the worst president ever!!?”
td
October 20th, 2011
2:47 pm
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:42 pm
I can see now who is young and dumb. Hopefully one day you will grow up and some intelligence will sink into you shallow mind. You just keep on believing that Obama is your savior and will lead you to the welfare promise land.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:47 pm
1992….thank you for your service.
Smoke
October 20th, 2011
2:49 pm
Great topic since the only bills that Boehner has been able to get passed in the House where he got 100% of what he wanted, he only got 98% on the budget and debt ceiling, have been those associated with abortion.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:49 pm
marie – if americans had shown themselves capable of controlling what they eat and not becoming, quite literally, the fattest nation on earth, then they wouldn’t need the government to tell them what to/not to eat. if you look at current obesity rates across the nation, it is clear that, notwithstanding meaningless platitudes about american exceptionalism, rugged individualism, personal responsilbity and whatnot, americans are, in fact, grossly incapable of thinking for themselves and making good decisions. hence the need for government to step in. i’m not surprised you fail to appreciate that.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:50 pm
td – i’ll add you to the list of idiots that populate these boards.
UGA 1992
October 20th, 2011
2:51 pm
@ UGA 1999 – the soldiers serving now really deserve all the thanks. Go Dawgs. Beat those swamp lizards!!!
td
October 20th, 2011
2:52 pm
I’m a Moron
October 20th, 2011
2:47 pm
I am not sure if you are a Moran or not but you sure do not know what went on in GA. in 2008. Huckabee won the state and McCain came in second and Romney third.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:52 pm
Oh….do you realize that you have yet to make one single valid political fact or view on this blog. It is ok, we all know what kind of person you really are.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:53 pm
UGA 1992 – you are correct; however, our country has historically shown itself incapable of expressing correct gratitude (words and otherwise) to its servicemen and woman, particularly in the context of the vietnam war. so thank you and thank them.
Marie
October 20th, 2011
2:53 pm
I am addicted to Nyquil and Cheetos. I weigh over 300 pounds.
Tom
October 20th, 2011
2:54 pm
Wonder why Santorum says he likes the Latino attitude about ‘family’ so much? Because the Latino community…especially the lower-income segments….follows his Roman Catholic doctrine of using NO birth control and having as big of a family as possible, regardless of their economic ability to provide for them.
Santorum would love to do what the Catholic church is doing in other countries….
In the Philippines, the Catholic Church is behind a movement to ban…yes BAN…ALL forms of birth control, even condoms. They want it to be a CRIME to sell or use ANY form of birth control.
In India….a country with a population already over 1.2B….the Catholic church is going against the government’s recommendations (not mandated) of stopping at 2 children and offering to PAY families for having more children STARTING WITH THEIR FIFTH!
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:54 pm
UGA 1999 – kettle calling the pot black, much? idiot.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:55 pm
marie – i don’t doubt it. you may be beyond saving. at least michelle is looking out for your any kids you may have.
Sandra
October 20th, 2011
2:55 pm
The only one more ignorant than Edward above is Barack Obama. Herman Cain is not hypocritical
of you or others. He is a natural for president. Obama is lacking all of Herman Cain’s knowledge.
Smoke
October 20th, 2011
2:55 pm
Has anyone seen a certified copy of Herman’s “Live Certificate of Birth?”. For that matter, what about the Ricks, or Mitt, Michelle, or Ron? Of course they have to be different and cannot look like the ones that the Birthers have rejected.
td
October 20th, 2011
2:56 pm
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:50 pm
td – i’ll add you to the list of idiots that populate these boards.
If that makes you happy but the truth will set you free on day when you decide to become an adult and stop playing in baby land. Listen to the truth and turn away from the darkside of the force.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:56 pm
Oh…..see there it is again….you actually made me laugh out loud on that one!
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:56 pm
Smoke….Oh were any of them Kenyan or born outside the United States?
Mid Ga Retiree
October 20th, 2011
2:57 pm
Seems like the more electable a candidate is the more vicious the attacks from those opposing him. All you have to do is read some of the posts on this blog to see what I mean.
Tom
October 20th, 2011
2:58 pm
I had to giggle at the irony of Bachmann with Wayne Newton after the debate the other night. The mind reels at the wonder of how many abortions Newton’s quietly paid for during his life.
Show Me the Birth Certificate!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 20th, 2011
2:58 pm
I’ll believe Herman Cain is a natural born citizen when I see his birth certificate!!!!! Which will be never!!!!!
What part of iegill do you not understand??!
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:58 pm
Mid Ga Retiree – cain said he is anti abortion and then he went on to say it’s the choice of the individual and government shouldn’t be involved. how is that electable?
Mark
October 20th, 2011
2:58 pm
@ UGA 1999
I’m so glad that folks like you truly believe that either one of the candidates you mentioned stand a snow ball’s chance in hell of winning the Presidency. I’m and Independent. I’m not for Obama, but I’m certainly not for either of the candidates running now. It seems that the Republican party is really upset with there candidates of choice, so they are just rallying around anyone with good sound bite. The Republicans have jumped from one candidate to the next, and something tells me Herman Cain will not be the last man standing.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
2:59 pm
Show…what is “iegill”?
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:59 pm
Show Me the Birth Certificate!!!!!!!!!!!! – like.
td
October 20th, 2011
2:59 pm
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
2:53 pm
Yes, the same Dems that run this country today were spitting on them when they came back and calling them baby killers and you still want to support these socialist. Shame on you.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:00 pm
uga 1999 – shoorly they tawt yoo that in rimeediyal eenglish
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:00 pm
td – treating our troops with disrespect applies to both parties, dem and republicrazy alike.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:00 pm
Mark….he may not be the last man standing but he is doing well right now. Obama has a 39% approval rating. I believe that any of the top Repub 3 could/will beat Obama. There is no way this country would survive four more years of him. Experiment – FAILED!
Sandra
October 20th, 2011
3:01 pm
I haven’t seen Herman’s birth certificate, but I can tell you he has a tatoo of Clarence Thomas’ moustache on his lower back. I’ve seen it up close.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:01 pm
It seems like all of the blacks that are calling Herman Cain a “uncle Tom” are the true racists. And they wonder why they are still in the position they are in! This is wonderful.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:02 pm
uga 1999 – you fail to realize that what our country is having a hard time surviving is 30 years of conservative economic policies, hastened by the 8 years fratboy bush spent in power
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:03 pm
sandra – lmao; he also has a tattoo of scalia on his chest
Mark
October 20th, 2011
3:03 pm
@ UGA 1999….Well like I said, I’m not pleased with the current administration, but I’m certainly not impressed by the current circus of republican candidates.. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:04 pm
uga 19999 – “And they wonder why they are still in the position they are in! This is wonderful.” once again, your true colors shine bright.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:04 pm
Oh….rose colored lenses….rose colored lenses.
td
October 20th, 2011
3:05 pm
Mark
October 20th, 2011
2:58 pm
Look back four years ago and see who was ahead (I will give you a clue, it was not Obama). This is what happens every four years to the party out of power. The difference is the media this year is trying to make it look like the Republicans have an internal battle.
I can guarantee you one thing right now. When the Republican primary is over all of them will unite together and give the person 100% support to get the current socialist and chief out of office.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:07 pm
td – you obviously woudn’t know a socialist if they slapped you upside the head
Travis McGee
October 20th, 2011
3:09 pm
@td and @ UGA 1999 —
The one thing Obama has going for him is time. A year is a lifte-time in presidential politics.
The one thing his opponents have going against them is time. With every passing day and with every debate they look less presidential — and are compelled to do or say something that’s really dumb.
So, before you buy a new suit to wear to the GOTP coronation, just remember that anything can happen in a year — and it usually works to the benefit of the incumbent — particularly, during tough economic times.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:12 pm
Travis….”A year is a life time in presidential politics”…..Seriously….where do you find this garbage?
Obama has been doing and saying dumb things for nearly 3 years.
He is causing the tough economic times.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:13 pm
uga 1999 – to the extent you are able to get ANY of the neurons in your brain firing, it’d be clear that obama’s presidency has actually been quite successful.
GT Anchorage
October 20th, 2011
3:14 pm
We have had politician after politician come into office and run this country into the ground, creating an ever expanding govt. It is time for something new, someone who can scale back the govt. to its intended size.
RGB
October 20th, 2011
3:14 pm
I guess I was banned from here, but now you and I both know that Herman’s position on abortion was misrepresented.
So be it.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:15 pm
Oh….Ok ok, please define success.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:15 pm
gt anchorage – what does ‘intended size’ mean? ought not government be responsive to the era in which it exists? what’s the appropriate size of government for a country with 300 million plus citizens and the world’s largest economy?
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:17 pm
uga 1999 – affordable care act; repeal of dadt; repair american standing in the world; kill osama bin laden; iraq drawdown; preside over end of gaddafi regime; financial reform; etc. all in the face of the staunchest opposition any president has ever faced.
Gman
October 20th, 2011
3:23 pm
You southern gentlemen willl never vote for Herman “Silas” Cain to run the Barkley Ranch and you know it!
GT Anchorage
October 20th, 2011
3:24 pm
When a government gets beyond its intended functions, given to it in our constitution, then it is too big…
Big Daddy
October 20th, 2011
3:25 pm
Uncle Herman is a hypocrite. If he hadn’t been a rich man with rich buddies, he’d be as dead as Kadaffy duck, who, BTW, Herman couldn’t identify if you spotted him Liby on a map. Herman is so dumb he couldn’t address a question about neo-conservatives. Bet he couldn’t define “neo.” He sure can’t pronounce “economy.”
TruthBe
October 20th, 2011
3:27 pm
So did Obama. When asked, Obama said it was “above his pay grade”. Remember? Why don’t you ask and go after President Obama like you do to the Republicans? Media Bias???
Cujo Bendi
October 20th, 2011
3:27 pm
What the f does it matter if he if pro-choice or not??? That is a moot point.I hope he IS pro-choice. We have 6 billion people on this planet. If someone gets raped and gets preggars then they ought to be able to flush that thang down the toilet and forget about it. This is NOT an issue. If you have an issue with abortion, don’t have sex and if you do have sex then have the little rug rat and get 2nd or 3rd job to pay for it and enjoy working your butt off when you didn’t really have to. OR get welfare. Problem solved. As far as gay marriage goes, again, WHO CARES! Live your life! If a gay man gets aroused when a woman in a bikini walks into the room, why would he choose to go cuddle with some gross hairy bald prissy man??? Live your own life! Live and let live but let ME decide what to do with MY money!
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:27 pm
gt anchorage – i suggest you read the constitution, then; the federal government is acting squarely within the powers enumerated to it. besides, the concepts of federalism and states rights are anachronisms whose utility has long since passed.
td
October 20th, 2011
3:27 pm
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:17 pm
You are living in a dream world. Obamacare is unconstitutional and will be thrown out before the election. dadt repeal will end up making our country unsafe because recruiting has gone down since the repeal (you do not play with social policy in the military. American is thought of as a wuss in the world right now, I will give him credit for getting Osama, He is just continuing the Bush plan and we will regret the draw down when we are forced to engage with Iran in the next few years, France and GB did al the work in Lybia Obama showed weakness by not taking the lead, Why do you think the banks are not lending any money right now, He had what any president since FDR would have died for with super majorities in both houses and what did he accomplish again?
You are really showing your age and lack of knowledge with those answers. If I was you I would go and sue the college because they sure did not teach you anything.
GT Anchorage
October 20th, 2011
3:28 pm
“preside over end of gaddafi regime”… How is that an accomplishment? Do you realize what is going to happen to that country? I’m not saying that Gaddafi should have stayed in power, but they now have no one to govern them. The fighting and tyranny is going to be much worse when Al-Qaeda takes power.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:28 pm
cujo bendi – well said, even if a little inartfully so.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:29 pm
gt anchorage – at least we don’t have to foot the bill this time around. pity dubya couldn’t have been as prescient.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:30 pm
Oh….Ok, now we are getting somewhere…..please tell me how the healthcare bill will help you? Please tell me how the DADT act will help you…..kill bin laden, that was good but you cannot give him all of the credit for that…..Iraq drawdown, wait and see how that turns out…..preside over end of Gaddafi regime, “preside” please explain……financial reform, really? HA……
Ok, now when you do you want to discuss these topics?
Unemployment at 9.2%
Suing states for enforcing the constitution.
Giving enemy combatants civilian trials.
S&P downgrading US credit to AA
What has he done about N. Korea or Iran?
Letting the New Black Panther Party threaten voters.
Failed Stimulus package.
Running up more debt at this point in his presidency than any other president in history.
Gulf Oil Spill
Do you care for me to continue?
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:30 pm
td – not worth dignifying your comments with any more of a posting than this.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:31 pm
uga 1999 – continue all you wish; must be nice living in your little la la land.
Max
October 20th, 2011
3:33 pm
@ td
You are living in a dream world. Obamacare is unconstitutional and will be thrown out before the election.
Apparently you are living in a dream world, because there is no way “Obamacare” will be thrown out before the election in 2012.
Oh and to degrade someone’s school because they happen to disagree with you is immature. You don’t hold all the answers you just believe you do.
UGA 1999
October 20th, 2011
3:33 pm
Oh….are you having a hard time with facts. Come on man, I did not personally attack you, lets just talk about the facts.
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:36 pm
max – LMAO (notice the capitals?; deliberate); i bet your comment was intended for me; let me guess – you never scored too well on your reading comprehension tests.
uga 1999 – facts don’t mean anything to cultural philistines such as yourself, so why bother?
Peter
October 20th, 2011
3:43 pm
Flip Flopper !
findog
October 20th, 2011
3:44 pm
The masses of relegious right voters are pro life, unless the republican is pro choice. If a pro life democrat was to run against a pro life republican [Romney while facing Ted for MA Senate Seat] they would, “hold their nose,” and still vote republican because they have been nrain washed in their churches.
Lovin' the Cain
October 20th, 2011
3:48 pm
As a single mother of two kids, I can appreciate that Herman Cain is Pro-Choice.
It’s not that I plan to have an abortion, but I do like knowing that the option is available if I need it.
I would be interested to know what Herman’s positions are on other issues like government funding for family/community organizations like Planned Parenthood.
Smoke
October 20th, 2011
3:50 pm
If you are pro-life and anti-affordable healthcare, do you not see the train wreck headed your way? Maybe not, because the same Dixiecrats started two wars and wanted to start two more, but cut VA and military health benefits.
Certified TheRapist
October 20th, 2011
3:51 pm
It’s always a personal choice, like voting in a Democracy. That’s what life is all about. If you are not pro-choice, then you are a Socialist.
Vote Out Obama
October 20th, 2011
3:53 pm
Cain said last night on CNN’s interview with him exactly what he should. He’s right it’s not the Federal Government’s place to pay, fund or be involved in abortion. And he has to stand on the fact it is the peoples respondsibility to deal with the issue and not the Federal Government. He believes it’s wrong, I believe it’s wrong but the nation is DUMB enough to vote against a man like Mr. Cain who can fix this nations problems and vote Obama just because Obama would stand up and say, abortion is OK. Vote for the man how has character and can fix this nations problems and not one issue.
TruthBe
October 20th, 2011
3:56 pm
Oh, the hypocrisy
October 20th, 2011
3:27 pm
“gt anchorage – i suggest you read the constitution, then; the federal government is acting squarely within the powers enumerated to it. besides, the concepts of federalism and states rights are anachronisms whose utility has long since passed”.
No you’re wrong Obama, his administration, and the Feds are breaking all kinds of Constitutional laws.
Mis-use of the Commerce Law = Obamacare
Posse-Comitatus = using our Military aganist our Citizens = Waco and Ruby Ridge
Patriot Act = illegal wire taps and spying on it’s own Citizens.
Suing the States (States Rights) = Az State Law on illegals = Obama’s AG Eric Holder suing Az because Az is forced to secure it’s own borders because Obama and the Feds refuse to do their job and secure the border.
Taxation = IRS Thugs
Freedom of Speech = Feds imposing laws to keep us from freedom of expession = Fairness Doctrine
Double taxation without Representation = IRS Laws, Federal taxes, and State Taxes
Property Rights of Ownership = Property Taxes = Don’t pay and they steal your home or property.
We could go all day, so get your facts straight and stop being a lying mouthpiece for the corrupt democrat party and your comrade Obama.
mum
October 20th, 2011
3:59 pm
@td, come on, Give the President a break. Your party criticized him for getting involved in the limited way he did in Lybia now you say he should have lead. How did you want him to lead? Haven’t enough of our children died already? The Lybian people put their lives in harms way for their own liberation. It’s always easy to find a scapegoat and that’s exactly how politicians control the electorate because while they’re ripping them off, they’re sitting there thanking them and asking for more.
Smoke
October 20th, 2011
4:02 pm
I wonder why Herman Cain didn’t go to UGA to get his Masters? Could it be because he couldn’t supply them with his birth certificate, or because his birth announcement was not in the AJC?
leetrav
October 20th, 2011
4:04 pm
I, for one, am glad Cain is taking his position. If, in fact, the GOP is for ‘less’ government, then that should include staying out of peoples very intimate and personal ‘private’ lives. Abortion and other very personal issues should be the pervue of citizens and their God, clergy, or whichever ‘belief’ system they choose. The GOP should not be looking for ‘idealogical battles’ where there are none needed or wanted. We need to win…but not at the expense of personal freedom. That thinking is supposed to come from ‘more and bigger’ guv Dems and despots.
2012: CAIN is Able!
October 20th, 2011
4:06 pm
Gman = Racist
I'm Voitng for Obama Again
October 20th, 2011
4:09 pm
Yep. That’s right.
I lovvved Hillary, and I was disappointed that Obama won the nomination.
But I voted for him. And I was hopeful that he could bring about the change that we all deserve.
Has he done that? Well, no, not really. But, do I blame him? No, not really.
I realize that the things that need fixin’ the most are not within the President’s power to fix.
Do I wish the economy were better? I guess, but I’m doing fine, so I don’t really care that much.
The only thing I know for sure is that when I walk in that voting booth and I pick Obama, I will be choosing someone who will not embarass this nation internationally like Dubya consistently did.
And I know there is no one better for the job (except maybe Hillary).
So, cry your eyes out, you right-wing rejects; it’s gonna be four more years of big-eared Barry and his socialism and his obamacare and his birth certificate and flip flops and his bailouts and political appointees. Ah, that felt good. What do you losers gave to feel good about? Newt Gingrich? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
karen
October 20th, 2011
4:10 pm
People with an agenda are purposely taking Herman’s quote out of context.
MORGAN: If one of your female children, grand children was raped, YOU WOULD HONESTLY WANT HER TO BRING UP THAT BABY AS HER OWN?
CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers… No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
OBVIOUSLY, Herman was responding to rape victims being forced to raise these children as their own! I guess Piers has never heard of adoption. Does a baby conceived through rape deserve the punishment of death? Do your own research, people! The mainstream media is trying to shape this election. Don’t allow them!
To set the record straight
October 20th, 2011
4:11 pm
“I’m a Moron” – Mitt Romney did not win the Primary in GA 2008.
Mike Huckabee won 33.9%
John McCain 31.6%
Mitt Romney 30.2%
cb
October 20th, 2011
4:12 pm
herman cain = clayton bigsby
what an idiot, folks, if youre not 4 for 4, you aint worth a damn to the repulican party, and cant be 2 or 3, 4/4
white
male
rich
and connected
thats all they care about
i got 2,not enough
and i dont want to hear word from all of you idiots that think taking care of own is evil, that socialism is bad, that capitalism is always good, when were in the old folks home together and any us get a sniffle, that slowly and without treatment turns into pneumonia and our children live the rest of their lives with the guilt that they were powerless to help any us cause they couldnt afford to help us, when their jobs pay them less than a living wage. we already had national care when bullwinkle was our last president, you cant be turned away from a hospital, that means that the poor are taken care of, the middle class pays for it, the rich are taken care of, the middle class pay for it. and you are idiot if you let a politician do your thinking for you, especially when they tell you to get rid of healthcare when they have free healthcare for life.
now heres some other facts, but caution, if a politician has pierced your nose for you and installed a ring in there like they do for oxen, please hold your head with both hands and pushed inward as you read the following so that your head with that little thing that rattles in it like a paint can, that you claim is a brain, doesnt explode all over everything and make a mess that someone else has clean up:
-the children arent our future, we are our childrens future
-a few of the things you must be against or you are an active Socialist
the troops, UGA, the NYPD-NYFD, roads, sewer systems, clean water, public schools, the minutemen, the wagon trains that went out west, or anything where two people work together towards a common cause, like families and the fight for the cure, etc.
-hitler was a dictator, a fascist
-there is good socialism and bad socialism, there is good capitalism and bad capitalism, this isnt even bad capitalism, its just bad
-Jesus did not support the rich, was not pro-war, did not hate the poor, did not hate at all, but christians do
-people who are bad dont call themselves bad, they come up with something else:
the union of soviet socialist republics-communist; the peoples democratic republic of north vietnam-communist, the national socialist party of germany-military dictatorship
-anyone that gets physically threatening towards you, gets mad and angry at you, starts calling you names when you dont automatically agree with them on everything is WRONG
-anyone that calls another person witch, heretic, damn jew, ni$$er, damn liberal is a bad person, doing bad things
-latin, liberalis = freedom
-there are only two sides, good and bad, and neutral falls past zero clearly on the side of bad, like the kicker on a football team, looks different than most people on the team, can easily be confused with someone who isn’t really a player, and doesn’t play full time or always with full effort, but does sometimes affect the outcome of the game.
if you are neutral, you are a coward, if you ever see someone being mistreated and you do nothing, you are coward
-”everytime evil made it over the fence, neutral gave it a boost” ds
-its wrong to be mean, even to a mean person
-justice is the only thing you can justify
-if you have to tear someone else down to build yourself up, you are evil and are employed by the devil himself
-you have to be judgemental to call another person judgemental, opinionated to call another person opinionated
-sensitive people call other people sensitive, when someone dared to show courage and stand up to the bully, they got their wuttle feewings huwrt and chose to go back to 2nd grade and use schoolyard name calling on another person.
- the definition of sensitive person is = someone who just got thru standing up to another person that was acting like a jackass
-if someone asks you if you did something that you did, and you say no, youre a scumbag, you become evil when you say no and then blame an innocent person
-new republican slogan – passing the buck starts here
and for them i say – “do not forgive them God, for they know what they do”
Smoke
October 20th, 2011
4:17 pm
How do we know that Santorum is American? His dad is from Italy, who could have been brainwashed by Mussolini, and may have been a mole because he lived in three different states. His mom wa 40 years old when was supposedly born, but we haven’t seen his real birth certificate either. My goodness, he even claims to be a Catholic and thus is beholding to the Pope Benedict XVI, who was a Hitler Youth. Therefore, Santorum must be a Nazi. Makes sense doesn’t it!
honested
October 20th, 2011
4:26 pm
Another day, another misguided bit of buffoonery from herman cain helping clearly define why he is not qualified to be President although he needs to bee the millstone around the gop’s neck in the General Election!
honested
October 20th, 2011
4:27 pm
Smoke,
New reasons to dislike santorum I hadn’t even explored!
mum
October 20th, 2011
5:14 pm
Well, yesterday, Mr. Cain said he opposed abortion for any reason, including rape. Now, he’s walking it back. He said there should be an electrified fence and about it killing people, then he changed it to he was just joking. Do you want a jokester for President or someone who is thoughtful and doesn’t just run off at the mouth? Whenever he’s challenged and trying to come up with a retort, his eyes start blinking.
This country is bad shape and we really need people who take the role of President seriously.
td
October 20th, 2011
6:58 pm
mum
October 20th, 2011
5:14 pm
“This country is bad shape and we really need people who take the role of President seriously”
I am glad we agree that Obama needs to go. Playing golf or basketball 2 or three times a week and has been campaigning for the past month instead of being in DC trying to compromise with republicans. Yep, he needs to go.
Tammy
October 20th, 2011
7:45 pm
Rick Santorium is whining loser who needs to take his toys and go home. He is grasping at straws. I can’t wait for you to drop out of the race so I don’t have to listen to the wa wa waaa anymore
kreedham
October 20th, 2011
8:20 pm
I and many other democrats in Georgia will be voting in the Republican Presidential Primary…why? Well 1 because we’ve got our nominee and 2 I get to vote for the candidate who might win but most likely to screw it up for the republicans. Darn….wish Palin was running!
Tom
October 20th, 2011
10:20 pm
Piers Morgan was mixing two things which resulted in the obscure response, observe:
MORGAN: Are you honestly saying — again, it’s a tricky question, I know.
CAIN: Ask the tricky question.
MORGAN: But you’ve had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You’re mixing –
MORGAN: That’s what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make
Piers is talking about “bringing up that baby as her own”. Cain said that Piers is mixing issues. Cain was focusing on the “bringing up” part. Thats where the mix occurs. His daughter could give the kid up for adoption, she doesn’t need to keep the child. Cain realizes this thus he says Piers is mixing two things.
Hopefully Mr. Cain will get to share this with with America. Spread this explanation to others.
Repubs r Stupid
October 20th, 2011
10:54 pm
td(transmitted disease), you need to just go hide somehwere. You sound just like the type that never got picked to play as a kid, and took your liitle baseball, basketball, or football and went home so no one else could play. You, like ALL Republicans, are such a loser. These Forums by the AJC are the ONLY ones that sing ANY praises of Herman Co-Cain. Only in Georgia! What a bunch of local-yocals!!!
Repubs r Stupid
October 20th, 2011
10:57 pm
The Republican part bring absolutely, positively, NOTHING to the table. Zero, nada, niet, NOTHING! It still amazes me how many pee-poor white people call themselves Republicans, when they care NOTHING about you. You get on here protecting wealth that you simply don’t have. Call it what it is… black-vs-white in your little stupid, Republican, non-thinking minds. THWR!
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MissMollie
October 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
I believe it is between Romney and Perry….I support Romney. Cain may carry Georgia..
blackthisout
October 24th, 2011
9:43 am
keep the theives and flip floppers out of the white house. please help save america and vote for the man who has the guts to say what is really happening in the world and who has all right ideas to get us out of this mess that obama and the last three presidents got us into.VOTE RON PAUL 2012
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