Your morning jolt: An 8th GOP debate, and Iowa is still distant

Las Vegas will serve as the venue for yet another Republican presidential debate at 8 p.m. tonight, this time on CNN.

Even as you wade through the cheesy gambling metaphors, remember that you’re witnessing what could be a historic shift in the dynamic of American presidential campaigns – a downgrading of the importance of state-by-state referendums on candidates, in favor of a series of national confrontations.

From Dan Balz and the Washington Post:

The GOP contenders will meet here Tuesday night for their fifth exchange since Labor Day and their eighth of the year. Once considered forums that only occasionally had a real effect on a nomination battle, the debates this year have been the defining feature of the contest.

“For the first time in decades, primary debates aren’t a sideshow, as candidates are using them as a major platform in lieu of early TV ads to project their ideas, personalities and candidacies,” said Jonathan Collegio, communications director for the GOP group American Crossroads. “Campaigns have been smart to figure out that with all the increasing news coverage, a few strong debate performances are worth more than millions on early TV ads, and a weak appearance is worth more than a book” of opposition research.

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Once again, Georgia entrepreneur and former radio talk show host Herman Cain will be on the hot seat, as questioners probe the gravitas of his campaign. From Reid Epstein of Politico.com:

The test Cain is facing is not about gray matter. Cain is a quick-witted, commanding presence on the debate stage, and he never faced doubts about his intelligence while serving as CEO of Godfather’s Pizza or the head of the national restaurant industry’s trade association.

But successfully running the policy gauntlet at a presidential level is less an aptitude test than an organizational feat. Most candidates who become nominees have an infrastructure of paid and outside advisers, who can help a candidate bluster his or her way through, say, a question that touches on the United States’s “three no’s” in the Taiwan Strait — a subject that, as president, could spark an international incident if someone screwed up the answer.

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Herman Cain has consistently eschewed detailed answers on foreign policy questions. But that will have to change, and very quickly. CNN announced this morning that, in partnership with the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, it will host a third GOP presidential debate on Nov. 15 – this time with a sole focus on national security and foreign affairs.

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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia today takes a look at Herman Cain’s statements on solar and wind power as sources of alternative energy.

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And if videos released on the same day as a debate are any measure, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will attempt to keep Texas Gov. Rick Perry off-balance, by attacking him as a career politician. Below, Romney compares Perry to President Barack Obama. It’s a favor returned – Perry did the same to Romney last week:

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During the breaks in tonight’s debate, click here to check out the results of today’s run-off election between Republicans John Carson and Robert LaMutt, who are vying for the east Cobb County House seat made vacant by the death of state Rep. Bobby Franklin this summer.

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Late yesterday, we told you that Bob Barr has confirmed he is contemplating a Republican run against U.S. Rep. Tom Graves of Ranger in 2012. You have to wonder if Barr is picking up signals from House Republican leaders in Washington who are unhappy with the uncompromising tea party favorite. From Politico.com:

When Graves again voted against a short-term government spending bill last month, some members of the House GOP decided that leadership needed to punish one of their mutinous colleagues — the 20 or so who vote against leadership on almost every spending bill — to show that there would be consequences for refusing to back efforts to avert a government shutdown.

Graves, one of the few newcomers with a prime spot on the Appropriations Committee, became the target. Rumors ricocheted around the lower chamber that he would be stripped of his committee assignment.

The Republican Steering Committee, which decides committee appointments, met last week and considered whether to retaliate against Graves and others who oppose the leadership. The decision was made not to do so, said multiple sources, but there will be quieter, more subtle forms of pressure exerted. Graves is not likely to be part of any congressional overseas trips anytime soon.

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The Occupy Wall Street movement may have found a friend in Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter. On Wednesday, an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Brzezinski spoke of the protests as a result of vast amounts of wealth being collected by a few individuals with no links to society as a whole:

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He had this suggestion:

I think it would be increasingly helpful if there was a movement to publish worldwide lists of people who make, largely through speculation, enormous amounts of money almost instantly – and basically hide the fact from their social context.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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122 comments Add your comment

Centrist

October 18th, 2011
9:42 am

Gee, I wonder what Mr. Jim Galloway thinks about the Tea Party.

Centrist

October 18th, 2011
9:43 am

The left biased St. Petersburg Times “PolitiFact” is used by the AJC, and leftist bloggers point toward.

Not surprising for a liberal mainstream media product, “PolitiFact” simply uses selection bias in favor of Democrats as described here:
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2011/02/selection_bias_politifact_rate.php

A Smart Politics content analysis of more than 500 PolitiFact stories from January 2010 through January 2011 finds that current and former Republican officeholders have been assigned substantially harsher grades by the news organization than their Democratic counterparts. A 3 to 1 supermajority of falsehoods documented by PolitiFact over the last year – 76 percent – were attributed to Republicans, with just 22 percent of such statements coming from Democrats.

What is particularly interesting about these findings is that the political party in control of the Presidency, the US Senate, and the US House during almost the entirety of the period under analysis was the Democrats, not the Republicans.

And yet, PolitiFact chose to highlight untrue statements made by those in the party out of power. Selection bias, plain and simple.

DannyX

October 18th, 2011
9:58 am

“Gee, I wonder what Mr. Jim Galloway thinks about the Tea Party.”

I don’t know about Mr. Galloway but the American people now hate the Tea Party. The nonsense Tea Party crazies like Graves have pulled have been a big turnoff. Republican leadership is now trying to contain the damage these goof balls have done to their party and the country.

Centrist

October 18th, 2011
9:59 am

Today’s Politifact’s leftist bias has these statements, but does not detail them:

“policy changes that support the growth of the wind industry”

“Electricity produced by fossil fuels is often less expensive than wind or solar.”

The policy changes are to CONTINUE and expand taxpayer subsidies of uneconomic alternative energy sources while blocking cheaper fossil fuel and nuclear energy production. Recent fracking and parallel drilling technology has unlocked huge stores of shale oil, oil sands, and natural gas deposits. (Have you seen the huge drop in natural gas as supply is outstripping demand?) Converting coal to diesel is also a much cheaper and viable energy source. False environmental concerns are used to block access to these available and cheaper sources of energy. Such poor policies are not going to last forever.

clem

October 18th, 2011
10:00 am

cain is quoted last year as saying he was against national sales tax…what’s he trying to be romney?

jconservative

October 18th, 2011
10:08 am

“Selection bias, plain and simple.”

Selection bias yes, but are the facts incorrect?

I can handle selection bias, note the stories Fox chooses to cover and the stories CBS chooses to cover. Classic selection bias. But I can handle that. What I cannot handle are incorrect facts.

Tom

October 18th, 2011
10:12 am

And from a crowded gay bar in the Castro District of San Francisco, Rick Santorum!

LOL!

rod

October 18th, 2011
10:17 am

Why doesn’t Cain get more positive press here in GA? He is from here. GA should be proud of one of their own. It is funny how he was a non contender and now that he has risen in the polls he is under attack here in GA his home. He fits with what the Republican base wants in a candidate. I can’t stand him but wonder why his own people here aren’t more welcoming! Wonder why that is HA!

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mum

October 18th, 2011
10:33 am

@Centrist, you keep puttng up the same post about PolitiFact. People today are way too lazy these days to do their own research. Fox and MSNBC play to their audiences, and everyone else just plays along so you have to want to know the facts or you’re just a follower. The information is on the internet, but the “true facts” are sometimes hard to find unless the website can pay to be at the top of the search list. I find FactCheck.org a much better barometer, and then I still double check their fact check.

Centrist

October 18th, 2011
10:34 am

@ rod – because it is the liberal AJC that is attacking him (with little consequence, since the AJC has no influence with the Republican party and its members).

DannyX

October 18th, 2011
10:38 am

“(with little consequence, since the AJC has no influence with the Republican party and its members).”

Then why whine about it all day?

DannyX

October 18th, 2011
10:44 am

“He fits with what the Republican base wants in a candidate.”

Exactly. The AJC is censoring the Herman Cain border wall comment. The Republican base wants an electrified border wall with an alligator moat but they can’t even discuss Cains idea here. Jim is censoring all the Republican ideas.

Frederick Douglass

October 18th, 2011
10:49 am

Centrist

You come off as someone who’s making it seem as if the left is denigrating the GOP candidates, dude, they’re doing it to themselves. They should suspend the inane debates immediately, but hey, personally I enjoy the self inflicted carnage.

Centrist

October 18th, 2011
10:50 am

@ mum – there is a lot on the internet which says Soros is behind the funding of Factcheck.org, and this says it is slanted left as much as Snopes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2104053/posts

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GaBlue

October 18th, 2011
11:04 am

Vegas? COOL! Will they be debating on the Indy track?

honested

October 18th, 2011
11:12 am

Please nominate cain!

All you dimwits who support his nonsense tax plan, self-inflated resume’ and lack of capability in governing anything, cling to the straws and make sure he is on the ‘r’ ticket……

Then wonder what happened in November 2012.

And for those of you who believe George Soros is evil incarnate, get a life.

td

October 18th, 2011
11:16 am

DannyX

October 18th, 2011
10:44 am

And what is wrong with what Herman said about the fence?

td

October 18th, 2011
11:21 am

honested

October 18th, 2011
11:12 am

“And for those of you who believe George Soros is evil incarnate, get a life”

And you think the Koch brothers are so what is the difference?

Alabama Communist

October 18th, 2011
11:23 am

More Breaking News On Herman seizing Control Of The Debate Tonight..A unknown Source deep within the Republican Tea Party said today..” We expect Herman to occupy the center seat today and shove the other Candiates to the rear of the Casio where they will play Crap with loaded Dice and be arrested by the Los Vegas Police:

HR Pufnstuf

October 18th, 2011
11:25 am

I saw the video of Herman Cain talking about the electrified fence along the Mexican border that he would install. Believe me, he WAS NOT joking when he was yelling into the mike. But I guess I can understand, because at that time he knew he probably wouldn’t even come close to the nomination and could get away with that kind of talk….but now since he is taken seriously (for the moment) he has to come up with an explanation. But “I was joking” is a pretty lame excuse.

DannyX

October 18th, 2011
11:29 am

“And what is wrong with what Herman said about the fence?”

WWJE?

Who would Jesus electrocute?

thewindwhistler

October 18th, 2011
11:34 am

I am great believer in wind power. It is an endlessly renewable source of clean energy. One wind turbine the “Nacelle” can provide the energy needs for 750,000 homes, granted it has a large footprint, requiring 100 acres. Equally important is that using wind power calls attention to the need for a cleaner environment and less need for polluting of the atmosphere from fossil fuels like oil.
Needless to say, Iran is a large provider of our oil and billions of dollars flowing to Iran in effect finanacing their state sponsored terrorism agains the U.S. not to mention a nuclear facility intent on producing bombs. How much clearer does it have to get, anyone in a coherent state will see the need for alternative clean energy sources. Clemson received a 88 million grant to study wind power. Where do we go? Is it continuing to rely on the Iranian fuel source or do we go our own way with clean energy.

snoqualmiefalls

October 18th, 2011
11:37 am

These are debates? Please give me a break. These are just sound bites for the simple minded, something for the candidates to attatch to thier resumes, or hump their latest books. Most folks have made up their minds, why waste our time?

mum

October 18th, 2011
11:52 am

@Centrist, as my mother always says, “Out of the mouths of more than one…” I’m a bit of a current affairs junkie so I tend to check around so I don’t just accept the BS of the day. The tv/cable news folks seem to work from the same script regardless of Fox or CNN, obvious if you’ve ever seen run-on clips of the hot topic of the day where they all use the exact same catch phrases. You may be one of those that think NPR is out to take over American, but honestly, they are the best source of information out there, you hear from both sides, you always come away learning something..which can’t be said for most other outlets.

Plain Truther

October 18th, 2011
11:52 am

“New analysis finds 9-9-9 plan would raise taxes for most”

If Herrman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan were in effect today, the poorest 60% of taxpayers would pay an extra $2,000 while the richest one percent would get a $210,000 break, according to an analysis by Citizens for Tax Justice.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-pn-999-would-raise-taxes-20111018,0,5048555.story

The breakwind whisperer.......ew.

October 18th, 2011
11:53 am

These debates are traditional. Lincoln/Douglas. Hello. The more the better. They should debate everything. Especially the Price of Tea in China, which is ironically the most important issue facing us today. But what has that to do with the price of Tea in China? Everything. You see, if the price of Tea in China does anything weird, then it will lead to WW3. You can thank W and his Saudi puppet masters for that. Don’t forget to thank Cheney too.

Wind power? You’ll have to kite checks to pay for it, and we’ve gotta face budget cuts to survive this economy, so forget wind power. ANd quit blowing smoke up everybody’s p-hole, moron.

I meant a-hole, sorry.

Mark

October 18th, 2011
11:54 am

Herman Cain has consistently eschewed detailed answers on foreign policy questions. But that will have to change, and very quickly. CNN announced this morning that, in partnership with the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, it will host a third GOP presidential debate on Nov. 15 – this time with a sole focus on national security and foreign affairs.

HERMAN CAIN HAS NO FOREIGN POLICY PLATFORM!

He better study fast!

Buck Hayek

October 18th, 2011
11:54 am

Centrist –

You Creationist fact-deprived conservatives hate Politifact because it is factual just like you have to have your own “news” channel (Fox News) , your own version of Wikipedia (Conservapedia), your own newspaper (Washington Times), your own universities (Bob Jones U and Liberty U), and your own version of US history (Texas schoolbooks).

Middle Man

October 18th, 2011
11:55 am

I wonder if Centrist has noticed that almost everyone is to the left of him? Has he considered that “A 3 to 1 supermajority of falsehoods documented by PolitiFact over the last year – 76 percent – were attributed to Republicans, with just 22 percent of such statements coming from Democrats” might just be the results of Republicans telling a lot more lies?

Frederick Douglass

October 18th, 2011
11:58 am

honested

“self inflated resume”

That says it all, I know a ton of people who’ve done that. For a guy who’s supposed to be so intelligent, Herman Cain doesn’t seem to know where he is in the world sometimes. I’m mighty afraid that the debate on foreign policy is going to be Cain’s Waterloo, and I don’t mean Waterloo Iowa.

Teddy Roosevelt

October 18th, 2011
12:00 pm

Why aren’t any of these candidates in favor of nuclear power production growth? With the building of enough plants we could cut most of our energy needs and be more self sufficient. Nuclear power is clearly the best option for energy production that can actually meet our needs.

@thewindwhistler, did you know that we get more oil from Canada than we do from all of the Middle East?

Buck Hayek

October 18th, 2011
12:03 pm

Cain’s Godfather record is a fraud. They LOST market share while he ran it, they shrank from 700 locations to 510, and they never ran an operating profit impressive enough for Pillsbury to want to keep them.

They did turn a profit under Cain but cutting 20% of the dead wood franchises does not take a business genius.

honested

October 18th, 2011
12:05 pm

teddy r….

Did you realize with current technology we could get by without most (if not all) of that oil, wherever it comes from?
‘Cost’ is not just the price per gallon.

SBinF

October 18th, 2011
12:05 pm

I think Republicans should plan a debate once a week. Maybe have a debate between the candidates’ spouses. Both moves could only help Obama’s chances of re-election.

honested

October 18th, 2011
12:07 pm

Middleman,

To a repugnican, it is only a lie if you get caught red handed and don’t have a prepared excuse.

Example? WMD!!!

td

October 18th, 2011
12:09 pm

It is so funny that you African American libs on this blog are scared to death of Herman Cain. What is wrong with a black being a conservative? What is wrong with his message?

Eli

October 18th, 2011
12:11 pm

The difference between Soros and the Kochs is that Soros spends his political money to protect civil liberties and human rights. The Kochs spend their political money to retract civil liberties and human rights.

Soros view civil society (open society) as a public good and a requirement for mankind to move forward peacebly and productive. The Kochs view civil liberties and humans rights as barriers to increased profits and, thus, obstacles to be overcome.

Soros wants America, and the world at large, to progress forward…for the sake of human development and self-determination. The Kochs simply want to enslave humanity as an instrument of corporate profitability.

Who these men contribute to and support, politically, says a great deal. The Kochs view countries like Iran, China and North Korea as explemplary capitalist systems. Soros views them as enemies to open society and humanity at large.

Freedom is not free. It costs trillions of dollars a year. It is the cost of paying laboratory technicians to sample leather products to ensure chromium 6 was not covertly used for tanning. It is the cost of paying police, teachers, firefighters, Congresspeople, military, judges, prosecuting attorneys, public defenders, park rangers, contractors, etc.

honested

October 18th, 2011
12:12 pm

td,

Maybe you just don’t get it, but cain’s ‘message’ just an old lie spouting from a new face.

Bill Orvis White

October 18th, 2011
12:12 pm

Full steam ahead on the Cain Train. 9-9-9 NOW! Mr. Cain will be like a giant shredder at the debate tonight. He will supply common sense answer to every curveball thrown at him by that Cooper fella. In essence, each powerful answer will make the other candidates’ answer look very, very weak. Mr. Cain will take his fellow honorable competitors to the shredder. When I see Mr. Cain, I see a man who will make 2009-2013 a total blip on this nation’s history. WE THE PEOPLE will thankfully see a real man in the White House being a true leader who will not play the blame game like Hussein Obama, a petulant child who never took responsibility for his own stupid actions. I love the fact that the US of A will be run by a successful businessman who undertands the problems of the average God-fearing person
Amen,
Bill

Jon Lester

October 18th, 2011
12:16 pm

I, for one, would neither invite nor welcome any help from Brzezinski, because he single-handedly initiated the chain of events in Afghanistan that led to 9/11 and our current situation. All because he put his Polish historical grievances ahead of his duties as national security adviser to President Carter, who either didn’t know any better or was just as dishonest with the American public. Carter and Brzezinski were arming rebels in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet invasion (which was in response to repeated terrorist acts committed by Afghans inside their borders). To make matters worse, he was captured on film telling those people, “we believe that God is on your side.”

The breakwind whisperer.......ew.

October 18th, 2011
12:19 pm

Cain will have his W moment tonite, but will survive. America finally wants black leaders, not white wall street a-holes.

I mean p-holes.

Jon Lester

October 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

@Eli – if you hoenstly think Soros money has been well-spent in the pursuit of “civil liberty and human rights,” then you need to look at his interference in the politics of former Soviet republics. Ukraine’s Yushchenko left office with a 5% approval rating, Bakiyev was run out of Kyrgyzstan by an armed uprising, and Georgia’s Saakashvili is now the most hated man in the Caucasus. All of these men were sponsored by Soros money.

Shrill Orifice Tripe

October 18th, 2011
12:22 pm

That Cain is way in over his head. And the 9-9-9 crap does nothing but raise taxes on everyone but the richest of the rich. Cain’s plan is nothing more than a scheme to give himself a tax break.

Amen,
Shrill

honested

October 18th, 2011
12:23 pm

Eli,

Thank You for the very accurate comparison!

All of these ‘Soros haters’ need to remember who it was that paid for a mobile water system out of his own pocket during the worst part of the Balkan Conflict.

When have the kock’s paid for anything other than an event aggrandizing themselves?

td

October 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

Eli

October 18th, 2011
12:11 pm

Everything you just said is one huge lie and you know it. Soros is a freaking globall communist and the Koch brothers are Libertarians. Soros hides and does all his giving behind the curtain and the Koch brothers are open about what they believe.

td

October 18th, 2011
12:31 pm

honested

October 18th, 2011
12:12 pm
td,

Maybe you just don’t get it, but cain’s ‘message’ just an old lie spouting from a new face.

Oh I get that you are one of the brainwashed that Herman has been talking about. It is funny that you claim to be a self made business owner and have probably made a good life for yourself but you do not want to afford the same opportunity to the African American community as a whole. You want them to remain on the white liberal elites welfare plantation, depending on government and not working hard to improve their life’s. Very sad, very sad indeed.

honested

October 18th, 2011
12:31 pm

td,

Is that why the kochs have published detailed records on their contributions to (and invention of) the American Legislative Exchange Council?
Not to mention the substantial amounts they have given directly to various astro-turf ‘tea party’ organizations and the tens of millions they have laundered through Amricans For Prosperity?

It may be because they have NEVER divulged the degree to which they pollute the political system with secret funding, or they would never get the support from the sheeple on which they depend!!!

Buck Hayek

October 18th, 2011
12:31 pm

Soros fought Communism with his financial support of the Velvet and Orange Revolutions.

Only deranged Beckerhead wingnuts think he is a “commie”. Soros tried to defeat Bush/Cheney because he saw budding Fascism in the USA (correctly too).

Soros is truly a great capitalist – I have two of his books on markets.