Herman Cain’s debut on ‘Meet the Press’

Just in case you were at church, or perhaps slept in, here’s GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain making his first appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” this morning. Topmost in the discussion was the viability of Cain’s “9-9-9 plan” that would include a new national sales tax:

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Bill Orvis White

October 16th, 2011
8:17 pm

Herman is getting better with each appearance and in defending the future successful 9-9-9 plan. Economists from around the globe are starting to give the bold plan more + more + more thumbs-up because it WILL WORK.!But, 9-9-9 is just the beginning. President Cain will clean up Washington’s mess by dismantling the Dept. Of Energy, the Dept Of Miseducation, scores of socialistic programs, eliminating the illegal Hussein Obamacare, slashing Mediscare, Mediraid, Social Insecurity + killing off those stupid housing programs championed by Bawney Frank! This WILL become reality as more folk donate to Herman’s campaign, BUT don’t sit on yer duffs! Send as much as you can to Herman so that he can save this once-free nation! Amen, Bill

karen

October 16th, 2011
8:32 pm

Reminds me of the Tongih Show when Johnny Carson was still on the show and he often had a double talker on the show. It was funny.

double

October 16th, 2011
8:32 pm

Orifice do you think medicare should be cut?Social security cut?You know the pugs will never allow Cain to be the nominee.Obama will probably lose,but not to Cain.Obama care is about same as Bush drug plan.

clem

October 16th, 2011
8:32 pm

shame gregory did not have the brains to ask decent follow ups to softball questions…

cain a conservative talk show host who did not know much about neno cons is amazing….

the right claims obama got a pass, which is partly true, but so far cain has to

Jay

October 16th, 2011
8:37 pm

Cain was horrible on Meet the Press.

He was totally exposed on the absence of his knowledge about foreign policy, and how positively fraudulent is his 9-9-nonesense.

Centrist

October 16th, 2011
8:37 pm

Herman Cain will probably not catch Romney for the nomination, but he adds to the discussion. Tax reform will certainly be a basis of the GOP platform, and Cain will likely be in a Republican cabinet if they win the presidential election.

khs11

October 16th, 2011
8:55 pm

I’m pretty sure Bill Orvis White is being facetious up there.

hiram bronson granbury

October 16th, 2011
8:57 pm

Centrist

October 16th, 2011
9:10 pm

David Gregory was argumentative, repetitive, and pretended he did not understand Cain’s answers when he said that 9-9-9 replaces federal income tax, corporate tax, payroll tax, and hidden taxes. He also ignored that the sales tax is not on used goods or that Social Security income would no longer be taxed.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

October 16th, 2011
9:16 pm

Herman Cain: Empty suit.

deegee

October 16th, 2011
9:21 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA! That was hilarious! Watch out for the sneaker taxes that nobody but Herman Cain knows about. Who in their right mind would watch that interview and think that Herman Cain is anything other than a carnival barker? It’s Halloween and I think I’ll go trick or treating as the Invisible Tax!

Frederick Douglass

October 16th, 2011
9:21 pm

The ancient Chinese had it right, they propsed that whenever someone lied or didn’t know what they were talking about, their mouths became dry……..check out Herman’s dry mouth.

td

October 16th, 2011
9:30 pm

Of coarse some people will be paying more taxes. When you have an underground economy that some say is 10 to 20% of our GDP and you have 47% of the population paying $0 Federal income taxes then they will all be at least paying the 9% sales tax.

When everyone has a little skin in the game then we will start having a serious conversation above what the role of government should be.

Centrist

October 16th, 2011
9:32 pm

@ Frederick Douglass – I prefer these sayings over the ancient Chinese:

“If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” – Mark Twain

“I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.” – Winston Churchill

“A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” – George Bernard Shaw

“A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.” – G. Gordon Liddy

LARRY.333

October 16th, 2011
9:32 pm

Herman Cain IN 2012 !!

blotto

October 16th, 2011
10:00 pm

What an insufferable condescending rube. “If you don’t succeed in hating me, blame yourself.”

stephen

October 16th, 2011
10:08 pm

999 is nein, nein, nein. Unless his aim is to bring in less money while putting more burdon on the poor, then maybe he has something.

Gman

October 16th, 2011
10:13 pm

You southern gentlemen will never let Herman “Silas” Cain run the Barkley Ranch!

Red

October 16th, 2011
10:15 pm

So the Republican mantra has been no raising of ANY taxes when Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. Cain raises taxes on middle and lower class people and suddenly Republicans are fine with tax hikes. Hmm. I thought ANY tax hikes were bad. This plays into Obama and the Democrats’ hands – Republicans will not support closing of the loopholes on the rich but will support raising taxes on lower and middle class workers.

Cain did not clearly articulate the sales tax aspect adding onto or replacing the local and state taxes. Since some taxes are higher than 9% will he subsidize the shortfall? Is the federal government stepping in and overriding local and state means of revenue?

So only taxing NEW goods means a second hand economy. In order for this economy to move you need new goods moving off the shelves. If people are avoiding higher taxes and buying used goods, this does nothing to help restart the economy.

Cynthia Tucker McKinney

October 16th, 2011
10:41 pm

Is meet the press still on?

Eli

October 16th, 2011
10:42 pm

So there seems to be a lot of bad information going around about the 9 9 9 plan (which is the 666 plan turned upside down).

1) rich lowrie is not an economist
2) economists are not backing the plan. Only Arthur Laffer is going on record supporting the plan and he has 0 data to back up his support (just like he had 0 data backing up his supply side proposals in the reagan admin). Laffer is a political hack
3) Herman Cain is this weeks “thing.” Two months ago it was Bachmann, then a month ago it was Perry, now it is Cain…next month it will be somebody else.

The Republican field is cycling through these candidate fads quicker than tweens and their new favorite Justin Beiber song. As soon as they learn anything about the hot new trend they want nothing to do with them. This is because the GOP does not stand for anything, it only stands against President Obama.

Frederick Douglass

October 16th, 2011
10:59 pm

Centrist

“When there is an income tax, the just man will pay more, and the unjust man less, on the same amount of income……….Plato

Cynthia Tucker McKinney

October 16th, 2011
11:12 pm

Some hateful liberal just called Cain an Uncle Tom on the “Owebama/Cain at the MLK post on the Political Insider. You democrat voters are full of surprises!!! Ha! I love the way you all took Owebama civility lecture to heart, The probem you folks have that is your playbook is outdated. If your luck, and it seems your luck has run out, then maybe somebody will send y’all Democrat playbook 2.0. Your analog version sucks, big time.

GaBlue

October 16th, 2011
11:20 pm

Sorry, I was busy today. Did they discuss his TIES TO THE KOCH BROTHERS and his staff of AFP personnel? Hmmm… Didn’t think so.

Yeah, he’s a real outsider, all right. He’s a real innovator! Except that he’s not.

Daniel B

October 17th, 2011
12:21 am

That was awesome! Hilarious to watch David Gregory’s expression fall as Cain turned every question to his advantage and basically wiped the floor with poor David, who could barely keep up! I was laughing and clapping the whole time :)

Cain is phenomenal – and he is not going away. Romney had better start to worry (Perry is so far out of this thing that there’s no chance of any comeback for him no matter how much money he throws at his campaign).

Daniel B

October 17th, 2011
12:26 am

Oh and for those disingenuous (or ignorant) who claim that somehow the 9% sales tax is a tax addition instead of a tax cut… those of us smart enough to run the numbers aren’t fooled. I was really happy that Cain brought up the hidden taxes embedded in prices.

Any tax levied on businesses is always – ALWAYS – passed on to consumers to pay in the form of higher prices for the products/services. Cutting the corporate tax to 9% and with the 9% sales tax is a DRAMATIC TAX CUT for EVERYBODY (rich, poor or in-between) on the hidden sales tax that each of us already pays.

The numbers don’t lie, and Herman is the man! :)

Atlantan

October 17th, 2011
12:27 am

You know an ignoramus has entered the room when the first thing they bring up is the Koch Brothers. Meanwhile the rubes at #OWS are protesting Wall Street Bankers, but don’t have an issue with Obama or the Democrat party being the largest recipient of political donations. Regardless I support Cain – he is a breath of fresh air in a sea of political double speak. If every American had skin in the game we’d have much more knowledgeable and caring voters. Spread
the tax base and lowering the taxpayer expense is genius.

Red

October 17th, 2011
12:27 am

Daniel – if you were clapping over Cain’s response you need help. Cain didn’t answer anything. I am no Gregory fan by any means but Cain went all around the answers without answering them. He turned every question into a question or a “what did this guy just say?” This interview is already being used as the perfect example of Cain not even knowing the specifics of his own plan. The sales tax – it replaces? Er, well, no. It adds on top of? Er, well no. Is it a tax hike? Um, well I guess it is…for some people?

Republicans were against any and all tax hikes. Now all of a sudden they get a Chris Matthews shiver down the leg over this plan that the details are not even worked out yet? I guess we have to sign it before we can say what’s in it? Is Pelosi designing his platform?

Nathan

October 17th, 2011
1:24 am

I don’t like everything about 9-9-9. In particular, I doubt that a national sales tax is constitutional. But it has two magnificent qualities that are guaranteed to get it hated by insider elites: it’s transparent and equitable. Everyone would know exactly how much they’re paying, and everyone would pay according to the same, simple rules. That means no more invisible taxes, and much less lobbying and corruption. In fact, 9-9-9 is the best campaign finance reform plan I’ve ever seen. I’ll put up with a lot of implementation problems for that payoff.

By the way, this talk about extra revenue streams is really insulting. First of all, we the people elect the Congress, and we’ll elect them a lot better once corporations have less incentive to game the tax code. Secondly, it’s not the number of streams that matters, but the volume. Anyone can see that.

Nathan

October 17th, 2011
2:11 am

Gregory really annoys me by suggesting that some people pay no taxes, but it’s almost certainly what the Democrats will say. Of course there are myriad taxes embedded in the price of anything anyone buys. I wonder if most Americans get that? If people really think Cain is going to raise their taxes, it could be a hard sell in the general election. He will have to prove he can clearly explain exactly why this is not really a tax increase on the poor.

bruno

October 17th, 2011
2:14 am

Bill Orvis White You do know Herman Cain just Admitted that his 999 Plan, would raise taxes on the poor and the middle class, didnt you understand it? 999 Plan would be a disaster.

bruno

October 17th, 2011
2:18 am

@Daniel B you do know that Herman Cain 999 plan would also would raise taxes at the stores? so lets say you want to buy food,car,video games, everyday working tools etc, on all these items Herman Cain would raise the prices on them if that happens people would be buying less then they are now.

Cain will not acknowledge the truth

October 17th, 2011
5:42 am

To Mr. Cain,

This past weekend I joined the Occupy Atlanta protesters in a march to our state capitol building. Their call for economic justice is rooted in an acknowledgement that our current economic system is corrupted.

Our nation has been in crisis since 2008, but the problems that brought us to that crisis have been decades in the making. How is it that the wealthy in our country pay a lower tax rate now than at any other time since the gilded age? How is it that corporations are responsible for the lowest percentage of the nation’s tax revenues than at any other time since corporate taxes were first instituted?

As it is, corporations are rewarded for moving their manufacturing facilities to other countries. They also set-up off shore accounts to avoid paying federal taxes. Maybe that’s great for shareholders and corporate profits, but it’s not good for America.

Our economic system is corrupt. It will be your job, as a representative of the people to remedy this situation, but you will not be able to because you will not even acknowledge that we have a problem. Take a look around you, this is what you will inherit as our new president. Will you serve the rich and powerful, as your predecessors have?

Will you at least acknowledge that our economic system is not working in the nation’s best interests?

Occupy Atlanta

October 17th, 2011
5:49 am

Having listened to and spoken with some of the Occupy Atlanta protesters, I can assure you, they have a problem with our ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL SYSTEMS. They have no love for Obama.

THEY WANT ECONOMIC JUSTICE!

The rest of us jaded adults go through the day accepting the fact that the system doesn’t work. Many of us still have jobs. Although, I’ve seen a cut in pay and my employer no longer contributes to my 401k (ouch). At least I’m able to see that our systems are not working in the best interests of 99% of Americans.

clem

October 17th, 2011
6:00 am

so for all you cain believers….why not 8-8-8…..if this clown has a valid analysis of his plan release it…

if it is that good i’d be showing folks the proof!

granted the hermantor held his own with gregory because gregory deep down is corporate shill for ge and a dumb ship to boot…but he has good hair

anybody believe the corporations would decrease prices…..well you good have gregory job

one final point that gregory did not bring up that was bigger than any point he raised is…..under cain’s proposal it has been said that it will eliminate social security and medicare with nada to replace them…..what does that do to folks who have contributed for many years and now do not have time to adequate save for those matters…..

ps laffler advised general assemby on its messy handling of tax revamp and i would not trust laffler for one minute

Smoke

October 17th, 2011
6:15 am

So Atlanta, if someone is ignorant for mentioning the Koch Brothers, what do you call someone who mentions George Soros? Oh, I know, a Dixiecrat.

Smoke

October 17th, 2011
6:34 am

I doubt seriously that Gregory was a crude, interruptive, and combative with Cain as Fox News Bret Baier was with Obama. On characteristic of a Dixiecrat is that they CRS.

Smoke

October 17th, 2011
6:36 am

As long as there are Tea Party and some Republicans against 999, liberals don’t have a thing to worry about.

Jessie Jackson

October 17th, 2011
6:39 am

As my good friend and lap dog Jay Bookman says, why raise taxes on the 49% that pay no taxes when you can raise taxes on the 51% that do pay taxes.

Smoke

October 17th, 2011
6:41 am

Please ignore anything I post as I am a complete moron.

Jessie "The Slogan Master" Jackson

October 17th, 2011
6:43 am

Obama turns water into wine and is making America Shine.

clem

October 17th, 2011
6:46 am

Smoke

October 17th, 2011
6:52 am

Thanks for the vote confidence that I struck a nerve with someone trying to imitate me. Now imitator, please tell us what was wrong with what I wrote? Was it about Bret? Or about, some Republicans being against 999? Or the Koch Brothers? Another trait of a Dixiecrat is that they are rather elementary.

Jack

October 17th, 2011
6:57 am

Seems the Liberals are a little concerned about a “burdon” being placed on those that pay no tax. But no concern about the “burdon” placed on the 10% that pay all the tax.

Off de Plantation

October 17th, 2011
7:33 am

To those of you who have no job ’cause you won’t dirty your pretty little hands (after all, you DO have a diploma, don’t you?) and joined with other brain-dead hippie-types, et al., in your Occupy Atlanta(?) gathering, please explain what it is that you want? In the late 30’s and early 40’s, the Third Reich Germans were occupiers, too, but they had a purpose – albeit a very bad one.
You nitwits want “equal justice?” What in God’s name does that entail? Oh, wait…this nation and the “wealthy” OWE YOU A JOB, don’t they?
You ignorant fools…get off your a$$es, start at the botom like millions of others (a hell of a lot that are now “wealthy”) and work your way up. Get rid of your Game Boys, IPads, cell phones and find a job – even a menial on – and start giving back to AMERICA what it has provided for you.
But, if you still dislike it here, take you gripes with you and others and get on the next Delta flight to China or Cuba or lots of other “open, democratic countries” where you can have a better chance of getting prison time or, perhaps even better, may end up disappearing and what in the hell would you do then?
I’m not rolling in money but I don’t worry about my next meal either…I did work my a$$ off for what I have and a lot of jobs I dispised but $700K+ in the bank for 40 years of shoveling sh** to farm work to every job I could get my hands on doesn’t leave any sympathy for you “occupiers.”
If you’re truly looking for sympathy, get a Webster’s Dictionary and look up “Sympathy:” Its’ between “Sh**” and “Syphilllis.”
Have at it.

rm

October 17th, 2011
7:35 am

ok, rich white republicans hate the black man Obama. Now what chance in heck do you think they will nominate another black man..? all the republications are doing is diluting the base and making it a sure thing for Obama..it is fun to watch.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

October 17th, 2011
7:43 am

Off de Plantation
October 17th, 2011
7:33 am

Crowing about the chump change you’ve garnered for selling your soul you’re the Rockefeller/Bushes’ best hope to maintain the tory traitors of the American Fifth Column’s fascist plutocracy for the Roman Anti-Christ’s stealing trillions of dollars while debasing our currency; committing 9/11 to send us to false war for Big Oil, the Saudis and a corrupt faction of PNAC’s false Jews in the State of Israel; promoting illegal immigration; and, destroying the People and the Constitution in the process.

However, G-d is not mocked and the Beast shall soon be cast into the pit, regardless.

thewindwhistler

October 17th, 2011
7:45 am

David Gregory, the host of Meet the Press, does not” fact check” what his guests say. He does not think it is his place. If the viewer wants to do it, that is fine, but not himself.
Consequently, Herman Cain, could say anything and not have it checked out and brought to Hermans attention that it is incorrect.

Without anyone checking, the candidate can play: fast and loose: with the viewers in an ATTEmpt to convince them that he has something special to say, like Herman’s 9-9-9- plan.

So, what I would do, as the Judge would say, “You can disregard the entire testimony, if you find even one answer is untruthful”. All the candidates should get their act together and “search for the truth”.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

October 17th, 2011
7:56 am

Many of the ignorant posts on this blog demonstrate why the GOTP is doomed. Anyone with an IQ of 40 does not want to be associated with such manifest stupidity.

Extremist and fringe group followers were wandering around but have found a home with the Tea Party and the shallowness of their remarks is proof positive they couldn’t find their rear ends with both hands let along address the difficult probelems of the nation.

Anyone who gives 9-9-9 a chance in hades of gaining traction is delusional and so is the campaign of Mr. Cain. The “Deciders” WILL NOT under any circumstances puyt his campaign over the top. They’re just gaming the system but will spit him out like a sunflower seed.

“Lord, what fools these mortals be!” — Shakespeare

Shannon

October 17th, 2011
8:05 am

I was worried, but I’m starting to think Obama’s going to coast to reelection.

Sure, the south won’t go for him. But the strength of the south isn’t enough to put the Republican nominee through to the presidency. The real danger: Romney, who comes off like a centrist even though he’s to the right of Reagan. I’ll start worrying if Romney gets the nod; he might be able to bamboozle independent voters (who have been shown in surveys to be less informed than others). Otherwise, I’ll relax. I’ll vote, of course, and donate to the campaigns, but I won’t be having nightmares.

Both Republicans and Democrats should be irritated that the swing voters, who are also the most ill-informed in general, are the ones who tip national elections. Of course, we should also be irritated that there’s no true party of the left… there are corporate Republicans and corporate Democrats, but no real socialists.