Your morning jolt: Herman Cain, Vietnam, and his dad’s gun

If you’re looking for a copy of Herman Cain’s campaign autobiography, head for a book store in some Democratic enclave.

I bought what may be the last copy of “This Is Herman Cain!” in Cobb County, after three hours of searching.

:Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain signs a copy of his book, "This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, " on Thursday at a book store in The Woodlands, Texas. AP/The Courier, Karl Anderson

:Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain signs a copy of his book, "This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, " on Thursday at a book store in The Woodlands, Texas. AP/The Courier, Karl Anderson

The surging GOP presidential candidate was born in Memphis, but raised in Atlanta. Yet he left soon after graduating from Morehouse College in 1967, and didn’t re-establish himself in the metro area until 2000, after a far-flung business career.

So there’s much that even his hometown doesn’t know about him.

More later, but a couple points about the book:

– For a man born in 1945, at the leading edge of the Baby Boomer era, the most notable word missing from Cain’s 222-page life story is this: “Vietnam.” Not there.

Immediately after graduating from college, Cain took a job as a civilian mathematician for the U.S. Navy in Dahlgreen, Va. A spokesman confirmed that the job exempted Cain from the military draft of that era “for a while” – but that his lottery number was never called.

– On orders from his father, Cain said he stayed away from the “trouble” of the civil rights movement. But Cain describes his father, a private chauffeur for Coke CEO executive and philanthropist Robert Woodruff, as anything but a pantywaist.

For anyone familiar with the South at that time, the most fascinating anecdote in Cain book deals with Woodruff’s gifts to the Cain family. Cash at first, then Coke stock. The man in charge of Woodruff’s finances, a white fellow identified as Joe Jones, objected:

One day Dad said to Jones, “Mr. Jones, I’d like to see you outside for a minute.” They walked out to the driveway and Dad said, “Do you see this gun I’m carrying?” – Dad had a permit to carry one because he was with Woodruff – “Do you know how good I can shoot this gun?”

“No,” Joe Jones replied.

“I can throw a silver dollar up in the air and hit it four times before it hits the ground. That’s how good a shot I am,” my dad said. “if you ever tell Mr. Woodruff not to do something for me again, you’re going to find out how good I am with this gun!”

There are many, many exclamation marks in the book.

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We’ve got a copy of the final draft of that Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association study of the economic impact of the state’s new illegal immigration bill. Click here to see it.

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There was a whole lotta blinking going on Thursday. Does it not strike you as ironic that while this was going on:

For most of the day, the governor’s office said Deal would not act until the little-used and much-vilified lanes have operated for a full month. But a late-afternoon press release promised immediate action.

“In the short term, the toll rate will lower — starting with Thursday afternoon’s commute,” the release said. The reduction will amount to more than 40 percent, Deal spokesman Brian Robinson [said].

….this was, too?

A project that could have built a rail line from MARTA’s Arts Center station to the Cumberland area of Cobb County lost $167.5 million in regional funding from the proposed project list. Instead, that money would go to road projects — such as an interchange at I-75 and Windy Hill Road….

The Cumberland line was the last construction project on the list capable of breaking the borders of Atlanta’s Fulton and DeKalb rail district, established four decades ago with the MARTA system.

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The team that has stepped up investigations of judges in Georgia is getting a little push-back. From Richard Belcher and Channel 2 Action News:

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At the Georgia National Fair down in Perry this weekend, state senators will be competing with House members to discover which chamber is better at trotting out a little bull.

Yes, 4-Hers, we know we got the gender wrong. But the metaphor was that tempting. Runner-up was, “And a little bull shall lead them, as it always does.”

Each team of lawmakers will actually be tasked with showing off a heifer. We’re standing by for photos.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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139 comments Add your comment

Best Regards

October 7th, 2011
9:52 am

Herman Cain was a draft-dodger.

Retired Solider

October 7th, 2011
10:05 am

Best-

If that’s the “best” you have, give it up.

Centrist

October 7th, 2011
10:05 am

We got our expected hit job on Herman Cain.

Missing “Political Insider” items that don’t fit with Galloway’s leftist politics -

Obama’s jobs bill has been held up by the Democratically controlled Senate while VP Biden and the media have blamed Republicans.

Yesterday’s AJC article about how the metro area must be a sanctuary for ILLEGAL immigrants as reported the school systems didn’t see a predicted drop, yet south Georgia farmers were heralded in the AJC the day before over having sadly lost so many ILLEGAL workers.

AJC article – State sues for approval of new legislative maps

“With a Democratic president, Georgia Republicans’ decision to go first to court is not a surprise. It’s also not the first time the state choose that route. In 2001, then-ruling Democrats also bypassed the Republican-led Justice Department, although the move may not have helped much. The courts tossed out much of the Democrats’ plan as being unconstitutional.”

Left out of the T-SPLOST reference -

“We responded to public input,” said Cobb County Commission Chairman Tim Lee.

[Note that Lee was going to be challenged for re-election by former Cobb County Commission Chairman Bill Burns if that boondoggle rail line remained on the list.]

Yet ANOTHER hand wringing article today by the AJC concerning the (very popular) anti-ILLEGAL immigration bill:

“Immigration law could snarl routine business”

Funny AJC headline: “Summer ends with hiring burst”

What would this headline have been under Bush?

Details:

Unemployment remains @ 9.1% because these jobs only keep up with the rising population.

Half of the gains are from 45,000+ returning VERIZON strikers.

Congress has debated this year whether taxpayers should provide a half-billion dollars for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (which in turn, funds PBS and NPR). House Republicans proposed on September 29 that the federal funding for CPB should end. Fiscally, it’s an obviously non-essential expense in an era of trillion-dollar deficits. PBS and NPR programmers lurch hard to the left which pleases liberal Democrats, radical-left activists, and of course the AJC. Defunding CPB would not stop liberal bias, but it would stop the outrage of conservatives (and Americans in general like me) being forced to fund fervent attacks on them with their own taxpayer dollars.

Senate Majority Leader Reid used the so called “nuclear option” (which I agree with) last night to limit some follow-on filibusters. It may come back to bite Democrats if/when the Republicans win back the Senate.

Buzzfan®

October 7th, 2011
10:06 am

OccupyAtlanta is going to have a Georgia Tech event….

It will be called OccupyRSquared.

kaycee

October 7th, 2011
10:09 am

Doesn’t someone actually have to take steps to avoid the draft to be considered a draft-dodger? Working in a deferred job or occupation doesn’t seem to fit the bill.

cartoon

October 7th, 2011
10:10 am

Herman Cain is old-school religion and politics. Not so much fire and brimstone as a liar and a hymnal phony. He is at first blush unelectable. Then you want to look for the strings holding him up. Then you follow the money to old school GOP coffers and realize that he’s a puppet in black face, serving as a vote stealing uncle dong, (as in long dong silver) and isn’t it funny that Anita Hill all of a sudden reappears to tell everyone how happy she is, and to remind us all that coke cans aren’t just for pubes anymore.

:But what is more important is the fact that the same % of folks who drink pepsi remember the quote as a “pube on a pepsi can”, vs the same % of folks who drink Coke remember the testimony as a “pube on a coke can”.

This is very significant because it proves people are total nitwits. and sex is the reason we vote, love, and buy.

Fact. Jack.

Becky

October 7th, 2011
10:14 am

I just don’t understand why the yahoo Herman is getting this much attention from the media. He has never been elected to anything. Are the repubs really this desperate they cannot find anyone better?

foodfight

October 7th, 2011
10:22 am

I am waiting for Occupy Snellville.

td

October 7th, 2011
10:29 am

How many of the left wingnut posters on this blog will be in the middle of Occupy Atlanta?

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
10:29 am

Wow, those poor farmers. They have been hit hard by the labor shortage.

Georgia has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. The blogs were filled with stories about how the illegal immigrants were stealing American jobs. EmoConservatives everywhere were claiming the jobs would be filled by eager Americans anxious to get to work.

You let the farmers down Tea Party. None of the Tea Party faithful have claimed any of the many job openings.

Tea Party what happened? Why are crops rotting on the vines? Where is everyone?

Retired Solider

October 7th, 2011
10:30 am

Becky-

Then you should be rejoicing about Herman since he as no chance to defeat the great Obama. This election is about Obama and his job performance, or lack there of. If Obama is judged to be lacking, and I think he will be, then almost any republican candidate, including Cain, can and will beat Obama.

cartoon- What a racist view. You need to take a good look at yourself.

RGB

October 7th, 2011
10:33 am

Drive-by journalism prevails again today.

Jim – At least have the guts to definitively state your sentiments on the matter. Do you believe that all men between certain birthdates MUST have served in Vietnam or they are cowards? Do you believe that no one should have received a deferment? Would a presidential candidate with a bad economic policy who did serve in Vietnam be more virtuous than someone who didn’t serve but who possesses sound economic ideas? How about someone who didn’t serve in the military who also has bad economic and foreign policy ideas? Hint: BHO.

Libs like to denounce the Vietnam War then denounce people they hand-pick who didn’t serve–regardless of the situation.

Tomorrow you can chide Mr. Cain for not serving as an astronaut in the NASA program. The next day you can gig him for not serving in the Peace Corps (pronounced “corpse” by our Ivy League president).

Centrist

October 7th, 2011
10:34 am

@ td – Although I won’t be going to Occupy Atlanta – some of my centrist views understand part of their frustration. Just like the TEA Party, many of the protestors oppose the bank, TARP, and AIG bailouts – especially the huge bonuses they gave out from tax dollars. Getting fired from an executive suite for incompetence yields dozens or hundreds of millions of dollars in golden parachutes. VP Biden was honest this week when he admitted the “the middle class got screwed”.

RGB

October 7th, 2011
10:40 am

“I just don’t understand why the yahoo Herman is getting this much attention from the media. He has never been elected to anything.”

Precisely.

Cain has no experience in creating the regulations, tax policies, and toxic environment that created 20 million unemployed, an near-irreparable financial situation, and reduced our political standing in the world.

But he has met a payroll. He’s smart. His character is sound. In these areas Mr. Cain is experienced.

And if you, fellow bloggers, have ever sold a cup of lemonade at a lemonade stand–you have more private sector experience than our sitting president (who said Solyndra was the future of our economy. You know, he was right.)

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
10:43 am

You’re doing a heck of a job Georgia Republicans!

Crops are rotting in the fields. Unemployment is still waaay up here. Banks still failing. DOT is paralyzed. 2 million dollar signature loans. Georgia Power giveaways. Biggest tax hike in Georgia history courtesy of the Republicans. Lake levels dropping. Embarrassing tax code re-writes. The Tea Party governor spends all his time in DC begging for strings attached pork projects.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

October 7th, 2011
10:45 am

Cain isn’t smart. Have you ever talked to him? He’s a moron…and there’s no telling what his chauffer-father knew worth getting such a good payoff.

findog

October 7th, 2011
10:50 am

Centrist, if he had let out the part where the US Government exempted him from the draft then you might, just might, have standing to complain. To this day the federal government designates members of the National Guard and Reserve who are in occupations that are exempt from deployment much like the position Mr. Cain held.
Where is the hit job?
You were probably one of the whiny snits who went after Senator Kerry’s Vietnam service while ignoring that the President had abandoned his post during a time of war and if he were not treated different would of: a, never gotten a pilot slot; and b, been activated to serve the remaining time he signed up for on active service, unless discharged under less than honorable circumstances like many Vietnam Era guard and reservists who just didn’t want to attend drill anymore…

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
10:54 am

We need someone with successful business experience to lead America back to prosperity. No political experience preferred. Elect Herman Cain (R) say the Tea Party/Republicans in Georgia.

Georgia governor on the other hand is the opposite. Even though the Georgia economy was a disaster Republican/Tea Party types insisted on electing someone that failed as a businessman and was bankrupt. Political experience PREFERRED in this case. Elected Nathan Deal (R)

As usual Republicans make no sense.

clem

October 7th, 2011
10:55 am

td, how many dumb arse tp demos did you attend?

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td

October 7th, 2011
11:05 am

clem

October 7th, 2011
10:55 am
td, how many dumb arse tp demos did you attend?

I was not paid by Soros and the unions like these nutjobs will be so I did not go to any.

KID

October 7th, 2011
11:08 am

Obama all the way in 2012!!!

td

October 7th, 2011
11:08 am

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
10:54 am

I have two words for you “Roy Barnes”. Deal has been ten time the governor in one session as Barnes was in 4 years.

If you are not willing to blame Obama for the national unemployment and the national economy then you can not blame Deal for Georgia’s problems. Are you going to blame Obama?

The Snark

October 7th, 2011
11:12 am

Too bad Herman Cain’s father isn’t running. Him I might vote for.

The Snark

October 7th, 2011
11:17 am

RGB: Don’t consider myself a “lib,” whatever that means to you, but I will observe that an unusual number of present-day right-wing politicians who wave the flag and pound the table for “strong defense” managed to avoid active duty service during the Viet Nam War (Gingrich, Cheney, etc.) There’s nothing hypocritical about liberals pointing that out, whether they opposed the war or not.

findog

October 7th, 2011
11:18 am

td @ 11:06
In four years Governor Barnes: went after teacher tenure, changed the 1956 flag, tried to add the Northern Arc to relieve congestion on the three of four busiest sections of interstate in Georgia.
What has Governor Deal done that would hurt his reelection chances for the good of Georgia as a whole in the last legislative session, I’ll even throw in the special session.

AG - The Original

October 7th, 2011
11:24 am

Please – if it is not the government’s job to create jobs, then stop hanging the president with unemployment. You can’t have it both ways.

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
11:32 am

“If you are not willing to blame Obama for the national unemployment and the national economy then you can not blame Deal for Georgia’s problems. Are you going to blame Obama?”

Where did you come up with all that td? My point was simple. Georgia Republicans elected a bankrupt career politician last year as their governor.

Now they are telling us that we need a businessman with no political experience to lead the country.

Which is is Georgia Republican/Tea people, you all seem confused again.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

October 7th, 2011
11:33 am

Our economy would be prospering now if Obama had seen to hanging Bush and Cheney for 9/11, rather than just gulling us into voting for him by alluding to it in “Audacity of Hope.”

G-d is not mocked. The DC Quake was just a warning to us all.

clem

October 7th, 2011
11:34 am

td, but you probably got supported by Koch crowd

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

October 7th, 2011
11:45 am

G-d will bless Georgia as Gov. Deal works to end the Roman Anti-Christ’s organized and published invasion for conquest of America. attempted through the protection and promotion of illegal immigration.

The South fought the Roman Catholic, Organized Crime cannon-fodder 150 years ago, which succeeded in nailing the symbol of Fascism to the front wall of the U.S. House. It appears G-d’s plan may be a redemption as Black and White Southerners, together, Baptist and Freemason, stem Rome’s tide today.

Our blessings come from G-d. The South knows it and is fighting the Roman Anti-Christ/Amalek accordingly.

“The string to Heaven is shortest from Atlanta.”

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
11:46 am

“Please – if it is not the government’s job to create jobs, then stop hanging the president with unemployment. You can’t have it both ways.”

Michigan is doing a great job bringing back, gasp, union jobs. Texas has gained jobs since the recession, so has, gasp, California.

The US lost 8 million jobs under Bush but have been bring them back the last 2 years. How fast are you supposed to get those jobs back? In fact the private sector has even better results. Government jobs have been declining, last month alone another 35,000 government jobs were lost bring down the net gain.

Georgia on the other hand is still going down. THIS JUST IN……

Since Detroit is now rising up and Georgia is still at the bottom, Georgia will now be the new insult. For instance, “Ha, ha, look at your state, you’re going to be the next Georgia!” Please update your talking points, thanks Republicans/Tea Party.

hiram bronson granbury

October 7th, 2011
11:47 am

For those of you wringing your hands over the monumental losses being incurred in Georgia’s 7 billion dollar farm industry, let’s see what percentage is actual rotting in the fields. You may note that the often cited blueberry crop represents 0.4 % of farm revenue. It isn’t a surprise that the illegal alien lobby doesn’t put the numbers in context.

Georgia’s leading commodities for cash receipts
Product Value ($1,000) % State Value
1.Broilers(9-12 week old chickens) 2,857,580 46.8%
2.Cotton 487,410 8.0%
3.Cattle and calves 395,833 6.5%
4.Chicken eggs 394,223 6.5%
5. Peanuts 347,700 5.7%
6.Greenhouse/nursery 322,981 5.3%
7.Dairy products 235,536 3.9%
8. Onions 88,595 1.5%
9.Tobacco 86,426 1.4%
10.Hogs 84,793 1.4%
11. Pecans 78,060 1.3%
12.Corn for grain 69,474 1.1%
13. Corn, sweet 46,656 0.8%
14.Soybeans 45,442 0.7%
15.Tomatoes 44,370 0.7%
16. Squash 33,350 0.5%
17. Peaches 33,017 0.5%
18.Wheat 29,526 0.5%
19. Cabbage 27,500 0.5%
20. Watermelons 26,565 0.4%
21.Hay 26,257 0.4%
22. Blueberries 23,770 0.4%
23. Cantaloups 18,810 0.3%
Cucumbers *
Beans, snap *
*Commodities at the bottom of the above ranked list of commodities and having no accompanying data would have appeared within the ranked list of leading commodities, but were excluded to avoid disclosure of confidential information about individual producers.
Source: USDA:Economic Research Service

Tom (Independent)

October 7th, 2011
11:49 am

Best Regards@9:52 – Just curious, did you serve? Tell the truth, I know that is hard for you Libs.

Tom (Independent)

October 7th, 2011
11:51 am

Obama served, Community Organizer does count, right?

Centrist

October 7th, 2011
11:53 am

@ hiram – thanks for the figures.

Liberals ignore such stats, since they get in the way of their opinions.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

October 7th, 2011
11:56 am

I served…Herman Cain, like Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, etc., was a draft-dodger.

Jon Lester

October 7th, 2011
11:57 am

Jim, shouldn’t the publisher have mailed you a copy of the book for review? Not doing so kind of resembles a film being released without an advance screening for critics, which is never a good sign.

DannyX (Republican)

October 7th, 2011
11:57 am

“Obama served, Community Organizer does count, right?”

Hey Tom (”Independent”) have you met our resident “Centrist,” you 2 have a lot in common.

Btw, I joined the Republican Party today.

Centrist

October 7th, 2011
12:02 pm

From the AJC – this will frost Galloway’s pumpkin since not everyone in Cobb County government condones ILLEGAL immigration abuse and lying to police:

Judge: Colotl “back to square one”

A former Kennesaw State University student whose case became a flashpoint for debate on illegal immigration is once again in jeopardy of getting a criminal conviction.

Bootnewt

October 7th, 2011
12:03 pm

Cain is like his biblical name-sake: Both of ‘em declare “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

hiram bronson granbury

October 7th, 2011
12:04 pm

YW Centrist
The principal illegal alien lobbyists are the poultry, carpet and hospitality industry, but they use the crops rottting in the fields nonsense to garner symphathy from the ignorant, and the journalists are more than happy to distort the facts and sensationalize the non-story for them. BTW, a high percentage of the blueberries are harvested mechanically, or in u-pick farms. The lobbyists will say anything to try and keep their cheap taxpayer subsidized labor.

Red

October 7th, 2011
12:06 pm

The Snark – so you are saying people who advocate strong defense need to have served? OK, then those who advocate for more taxes on the rich need to be rich first. Or those calling for corporate taxes need to own corporations. Or those who say the rich should pay their fair share of taxes need to pay taxes themselves.

AG – your statement makes no sense. Unemployment is the process of KILLING JOBS. Obama has done far more to kill jobs or the prospect of creating jobs than any recent President. Stop demonizing those who can create jobs. Stop the pointless regulations that hurt job growth.

Retired Solider

October 7th, 2011
12:07 pm

Jim Gallowy-

Where and when did you serve? Seems to me if you are going to cast stones you should have set the example.

Retired Solider

October 7th, 2011
12:09 pm

well stated red

mum

October 7th, 2011
12:10 pm

Could a black man threaten to shoot a white man and get away with it back then given how Georgia was?

DannyX

October 7th, 2011
12:11 pm

Lol at all the south Georgia politicians that turned Republican at the sniff of a power shift.

How’s that one party rule thingy working out for you now??

Retired Solider

October 7th, 2011
12:12 pm

Great DannyX, thanks for asking.

Centrist

October 7th, 2011
12:14 pm

@ hiram posted “The principal illegal alien lobbyists are the poultry, carpet and hospitality industry, but they use the crops rottting in the fields nonsense to garner symphathy from the ignorant, and the journalists are more than happy to distort the facts and sensationalize the non-story for them.”

Why don’t the journalists sob about all the carpets which will rot in the mills, chickens that won’t get slaughtered, or hotel rooms which won’t get cleaned by noon?

Frederick Douglass

October 7th, 2011
12:15 pm

Herman’s story about his dad is likely a lie, Pops Cain was probably much like his progeny.