The GOP debate over Mormonism breaks into open
The Republican debate over Mormonism officially broke into the open this afternoon. From the Associated Press:
WASHINGTON — The pastor who introduced Texas Gov. Rick Perry at a conservative gathering Friday said rival presidential candidate Mitt Romney is not a Christian and is in a cult because he is a Mormon.
Robert Jeffress, senior pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas, endorsed Perry at the Values Voters Summit, introducing him as “a proven leader, a true conservative, and a committed follower of Christ.”
After his remarks, Jeffress told reporters that Perry’s religion is different from Romney’s.
“Rick Perry’s a Christian. He’s an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ,” Jeffress said. “Mitt Romney’s a good moral person, but he’s not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity.”
Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.
Perry disavowed Jeffress’ statements. But they could hardly have been a surprise — Jeffress had said much the same thing four years ago. After the 2008 presidential election, in which Romney lost the Republican nomination to John McCain, the Religion Newswriters Association hosted a debate on this very topic.
The two participants were Jay Sekulow, a well-known metro Atlanta lawyer and Christian fundamentalist — and Jeffress.
The sponsor of the event was the DeMoss Group of Buckhead. Mark DeMoss served as Romney’s liaison to evangelicals in ’08, and is part of the current Romney campaign. Jeffress had the first word in the discussion:
Said Jeffress:
“I believe, first of all, that Christians ought to prefer Christians over non-Christians as their leaders.…A Christian politician who says his faith has no influence on his public policy is either a dishonest politician or a superficial Christian….
“The value of electing a Christian goes beyond the public policies that he or she may enact. We believe that a genuine Christian has a relationship with God, is indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God, is led by the spirit of God, and is uniquely favored by God. Even if that genuine believer does not embrace every position we hold important, we still believe that we make a grave mistake in underestimating the value of having a Christian in office….”
Then came Sekulow:
Said Sekulow:
”If Mitt Romney was running against Jimmy Carter, would you support Jimmy Carter because he’s a born-again Christian? I find that premise to be troubling.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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WAW
October 7th, 2011
6:30 pm
Jim, everybody must be eating supper or gone to the high school football game. It was just a matter of time, now the truth comes out why Republicans will not nominate Mitt Romney nor will they nominate Herman Cain. Looks like Perry’s in the driver’s seat.
DJ Sniper
October 7th, 2011
6:33 pm
This is why America is still backwards as hell in some regards. On a personal note, religion is not even on my list when I’m looking for reasons to vote for a particular candidate. Even though I’m not a huge Romney fan, the fact that he’s a Mormon doesn’t bother me at all.
Cutty
October 7th, 2011
6:44 pm
Is this Perry’s ‘Jeremiah Wright moment’? I doubt it. Wonder why?
DJ Sniper
October 7th, 2011
6:52 pm
Cutty, I agree with you 100%. This pastor’s remarks won’t be scrutinized nearly as much as Rev. Wright’s.
cartoon
October 7th, 2011
6:55 pm
We need a Hari Krishna as our GOP candidate, not a supid mormon or a confounded Jehovah’s Witness, dammit.
morons.
Oliver
October 7th, 2011
7:02 pm
Jesus was/is a righteous dude. It’s a shame his message has been hijacked by hateful cons.
Aurelius
October 7th, 2011
7:11 pm
Dear Reverend Jeffress,
I will go out on a limb and predict that if the names on the presidential ballot in 2012 are Obama(D)(I) and Romney(R) you will vote for Romney(R).
So please forgive us for thinking of you as a, what’s the word?, oh yeah!, Hip-o-crit.
Am I wrong?
Sincerely,
Aurelius
arnold
October 7th, 2011
7:30 pm
Bring Perry on. Too bad Palin won’t be on the ticket with him.
Smandit2
October 7th, 2011
7:43 pm
Jeffress needs to get his facts together.
I am a Mormon and am definitely a Christian. The name of our church is the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints. I believe that Christ died for my sins and only through trusting in His grace and following His teachings can I be saved.
If anyone needs a clear understanding of what Mormonism is and that we are, indeed, Christians, I would invite you to check out Mormon.org
PanamaJay
October 7th, 2011
7:47 pm
I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (or LDS Church, or Mormons which is really a nickname) and I’m not a huge fan of Mitt Romney and no, I won’t vote for him just because he’s Mormon (and supposedly non-Christian). My vote will go to whoever I think will do the better job defending and protected the Constitution, which is the oath the POTUS takes and currently, that person would be Ron Paul.
I should add, however, that I find the argument that my church is not a Christian church extremely…odd and misleading. Do people, including Mr. Jeffress, get to make up their own definition of the word “Christian”? I just looked it up and I can tell you the Church fits the bill based on my experience. Where does he get his authority to say I’m not a “Christian”? Everything about the church is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Atonement. It’s interesting that the word “cult” is used as well…look up this word too and really any religion or church would be considered a cult, including Mr. Jeffress’ church.
My guess is that these word games or accusations against the church are done so members of his congregation and other like-minded “Christians” become closed-minded to the idea of learning for themselves the doctrines of the LDS church (from the church itself: http://www.lds.org). Heaven forbid they learn that Jesus Christ has restored his original “Christian” teachings and priesthood through prophets and apostles in these “last days”…
MomPossible
October 7th, 2011
8:34 pm
So its gonna be the Mormon vs the Muslim?
td
October 7th, 2011
8:35 pm
I will not support Romney in the primary not because he is a Mormon but because I feel their are more candidates more conservative . If Romney gets to nomination and is running against Obama, then I will support him both financially and with my time and effort to get the communist out of office.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
Sectarian factionalism is treason, even when the butt of it is a pansy, draft-dodger like Romney.
One must wonder if Robert Jeffress’ “Christian” discernment had dialed in close enough to Rome’s false god to care that homosexual draft-dodger, 9/11-committing George W. Bush (who now owns the companies who control 11% of U.S. oil and gas distribution complements of the Rockfellers and the Queen of England) had his homosexual lover to his White House residence 202 times in a two year period, many for overnights.
Maybe the false minister was spending too much time addressing his comb-over’s vanity rather than praying to the King of America, the Creator, G-d of the universe, by Whom Our Founders received this Promised Land in covenant…as Deists. John Jay was a punk and Our Prophet, his cousin Mr. Jefferson knew it. Bet G-d told him direct.
lem
October 7th, 2011
9:06 pm
Republicans are religious bigots.
Jiggle the Handle
October 7th, 2011
9:13 pm
PanamaJay—– IMHO, one’s faith, beliefs, and values should provide a foundation for how you live your life and should support and inform your relationships. I think, for the most part, they should be personal and private, and aren’t anyone else’s business, but I don’t begrudge those who feel the need to “testify” and make public affirmations of their faith.
I try to see the good in everyone first, but just because someone is vocal and public about their religious faith, it does not follow that they are righteous and moral. Words are easy, so I prefer to judge their actions and deeds.
I loathe those individuals such Jeffress who have determined, (and don’t ask me how), that God speaks directly through them and that their viewpoints and beliefs are sacrosanct and carry the authority of God. How dare they.
Look at the members of Westwood Baptist Church who plan to protest at Steve Jobs’ funeral because in their view he “encouraged sin.” What a bunch of haters. How that congregation can consider themselves followers of Jesus Christ defies all rational explanation.
-Jiggle
“a faint blue light in a sea of red”
candi
October 7th, 2011
9:27 pm
The GOP is full of haters. They hate Muslims, gays, immigrants, Mormons, liberals, etc., etc. etc. And they call themselves Christians.
M
October 7th, 2011
9:30 pm
My cult of silly superstitious beliefs is better than your cult of silly superstitious beliefs.
LRAdams
October 7th, 2011
9:33 pm
What is it with these politicians always getting hung up on Race and Religion*. These things have nothing to do with politics. They should be campaigning about what they are going to do about resolving some of the problems we have as a nation. Race and Religion are personal problems.
Shareef
October 7th, 2011
9:39 pm
This sounds familiar. When John F. Kennedy ran for President in 1960 the holy rollers made a huge issue of the fact that he was Catholic. The world would end and we’d all face eternal damnation if he was elected.
Pastor Jeffress and his ilk are the reason people are abandoning Christianity in droves.
Ayn Rand Paul McCarthyism
October 7th, 2011
9:45 pm
Religion sucks.
Jenzen
October 7th, 2011
9:54 pm
@Oliver. 18.52;
Please, drop the ghetto references about Jesus Christ. If you don’t believe in Him or have a problem with Christianity, gosomewhere else where you can use some other junkyard phraseology.
As for “cons,” I assume you’re referring to prison inmates.
double
October 7th, 2011
9:55 pm
would Occult fit in here anywhere?
PJ
October 7th, 2011
10:03 pm
PanamaJay
If you are a Christian, you would not be able to stay with the Mormon church because you would feel an inner conviction about performance & works towards salvation. Salvation is a “free” gift so that man cannot boast in himself and reflected in a changed lifestyle. Reporting regularly to a church “overseer” who keeps a “file or record” on your “issues” to resolve with this “file” transfering in every move you would make to another area is a good way to maintain “control” and encourage co-dependency. I have been to a handful of your services and never heard anything read from the Bible…book of mormon, yes. If you read both as many say, God is not revealing Himself to you or you wouldn’t remain where you are.
Regarding our politicians, I do agree that their faith can be reflected in their decisions and that they can also be greatly influenced by those around them. It is very hard for me to seriously consider much of what is said today. It seems like shooting in the dark making the best decision with the information available and lots of prayer.
MrLiberty
October 7th, 2011
10:05 pm
Bush professed to be a Christian then invaded two sovereign nations, dropped hundreds of thousands of tons of bombs on innocent men, women, and children all to benefit the military industrial complex and the profits of folks like Haliburton, authorized torture and murder, lied to the american people repeatedly, oversaw the execution of hundreds of men while governor of Texas (some who have been shown by DNA evidence to have been innocent), and countless other activities that we will likely never know about. Clearly none of these things would have been condoned by Christ.
Labels are just labels. Actions speak far louder than labels. Mitt Romney appears to want to follow very closely in Bush’s footsteps and that is about all I need to know.
Ron Paul 2012.
LizBeth
October 7th, 2011
10:11 pm
I was raised in the Christian tradition and follow the teachings of Jesus but I don’t believe in his deification. According to mainline Protestant and Catholic churches, I can’t be a Christian because Christians must believe in the Resurrection of Christ and all the other mumbo jumbo many Christians believe. Well, I believe Jesus calls us to live in a certain way and that is what I am trying to achieve. I really don’t know why Christians require each other to believe in magic and mysticism instead of focusing on following Jesus. Could I be president? Well, according to the Constitution, I could. Doesn’t matter that I don’t fit the mainline Christian ideal.
BRW
October 7th, 2011
10:13 pm
Mormo-phobia…..you heard it here first…..
Oliver
October 7th, 2011
10:20 pm
jenz,
jesus luvs u, everyone else thinks your a a-hole.
PJ
October 7th, 2011
10:21 pm
MrLibery,
Shameful indeed. I was greatly embarassed by Bush. It seemed like he took advantage of his position for personal ends as you describe, but he was not the only one. Associating him with the affiliation of being Christian does a great disservice to God. There are many though who believe themselves to be Christian because of meeting certain criteria and truly are not. Their actions simply cannot contradict their belief and if there is an error there will be genuine repentence. I try to use this as a measuring tool when I consider a candidate.
Hetch Hetchy
October 7th, 2011
10:22 pm
Read the book, THE MORMON MURDERS by Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith.
WilliamLDS
October 7th, 2011
10:24 pm
I am a convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of over 35 years, having investigated the church for over three years. I converted from Reverend Jeffress’ denomination. During all this time I have found the church to be exactly what it claims to be, namely the Church of Jesus Christ. Also, during this time I have refrained from publicly criticizing or contending with other faiths. I firmly believe that there are honest and upright people everywhere who follow the righteous teachings of their religion. But, sadly, name calling persists among some who are not LDS, particularly from leaders of other faiths.
rick perry's racist rock
October 7th, 2011
10:27 pm
the rock says, “love the sinner, hate the sin”.
Hetch Hetchy
October 7th, 2011
10:33 pm
Rick Perry isn’t racist, you fool. He’s wants to fund illegals’ college educations. He loves illegal Mexicans, just like Bush.
PJ
October 7th, 2011
10:37 pm
WilliamLDS,
You are right…there are honest & upright people everywhere etc. That does not get you into heaven and that is what you need to be sure of.
However, regarding the political agenda, even though there is a sublte leaning towards electing a conservative candidate…it is not a law. Look at everyday business leaders…the highest executives are the more conservative. There seems to be a “natural trust” associated with conservatism. What is difficult is finding “truth” in what the candidates say.
B. Thenet
October 7th, 2011
10:38 pm
Eat your own GOP, eat your own.
Paul
October 7th, 2011
10:49 pm
Thank you, Jay, for bringing common sense to the discussion. Christians believe that revelation stopped after about the first century. Yet they base their concept of deity on the Nicene creed, which was the final product of two or three centuries of debating what God is like. Think about that for a minute….there was no revelation guiding the early church at that point, and hadn’t been for a long time. But a group of well-intentioned but uninspired men hammered out the church’s definition of what God is like. That creed survived the centuries and is now seen as a litmus test for Christianity by many.
My church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believes in modern revelation and doesn’t follow that creed. Why would we follow a creed that was put together 300 years after the revelation stopped?
Jesus Christ is my Savior, Redeemer, and King. The only way I can be saved is by means of His atoning sacrifice. I know I’m a Christian, and that’s what matters. I consider pastor Jeffress to be a Christian. It would be nice to have the same courtesy extended to me.
rick perry's racist rock
October 7th, 2011
10:53 pm
I’d take mormon magic underwear over a catholic hairshirt any day of the week and twice on the sabbath.
Centrist
October 7th, 2011
11:02 pm
This non-story is just more Galloway sniping. Cain for a couple of days, Romney for a while, back to Perry.
uga63
October 7th, 2011
11:04 pm
http://carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine
Tom
October 7th, 2011
11:09 pm
2,870 unique supernatural beings that fall under the definition of “deity” since the first writings of the Sumerians over 6,000 years ago.
They all rock.
Drew
October 7th, 2011
11:11 pm
I am actually for Herman Cain, but since Obama got a free pass on Jeremiah Wright with the mainstream media, then the mainstream media including this paper just shows their double standard adn hypocritical ways for not giving Perry a pass on this one.
ralph
October 7th, 2011
11:20 pm
The only cult is the GOP.
seamus
October 7th, 2011
11:29 pm
Sure would be cool if God would drop down from the sky-clouds and straighten out this conundrum. Alas, there is no God. Carry on.
MB
October 7th, 2011
11:56 pm
The Church of Ladder Day Saints (A.K,A. Mormon Church) is a cult and the teachings are contrary to the teachings of the Bible. If you study the teachings of Joseph Smith you will see that the Mormon Church not only teach that both Jesus and Satin were spiritual brothers but that men who are in “right” relations with the church will be elevated to god upon their death and that women will be eternally pregnant to populate the earth.
Those that follow the teachings of the Mormon Church are deceived which is why I can not support Romney for the nomination. If someone can follow the deception that is being taught in the Mormon church then they will be easy deceived by the democrats in Congress.
There is a strong conservative running for the nomination and that is Herman Cain!!!
Occupying Intown
October 8th, 2011
12:14 am
Wonder what the good Rev would think if a Jew were running for President? Regardless of what one thinks of LDS most of the followers I know seem to be good moral people. Jim when are you going to play us some Rev. Wright clips? After all, the Obamas were actual members of his church. Your disdain for the right is pretty blatant… Why you are at it why don’t you give us some intel on Fast & Furious or why Reid is blocking Obama’s jobs bill?
Alabama Communist
October 8th, 2011
12:18 am
More Breaking News On Funny Republican Christians Attacking Romney…….All Hell broke loose when the Romney Spokesman rip off his magic Mormon Pink Underware and stuff it down the throat of the Preacher of Rick Perry at a pack house of Wrestling Fans a the local Texas “Smackdown” event A Spokesperson for “Smackdown” said they were arranging a match between the Republican Jesus and Herman Cain as the Black-White event of the year next week in Coo Coo Grove Georgia at the Local National Guard Armory, Ticket Sales were reported Brisk and the local BBQ eatery said it was pack last night with fans who said they were going to attend the event with their Hoods and Robes to show support for Herman..
Alabama Communist
October 8th, 2011
12:18 am
More Breaking News On Funny Republican Christians Attacking Romney…….All Hell broke loose when the Romney Spokesman rip off his magic Mormon Pink Underware and stuff it down the throat of the Preacher of Rick Perry at a pack house of Wrestling Fans a the local Texas “Smackdown” event A Spokesperson for “Smackdown” said they were arranging a match between the Republican Jesus and Herman Cain as the Black-White event of the year next week in Coo Coo Grove Georgia at the Local National Guard Armory, Ticket Sales were reported Brisk and the local BBQ eatery said it was pack last night with fans who said they were going to attend the event with their Hoods and Robes to show support for Herman..
trz
October 8th, 2011
1:47 am
The religion — or lack thereof — doesn’t concern me. Would like for the candidate I support to be a moral person but their religious and/or spiritual beliefs are their concern — not mine. I wondered when there would be lots of talk about Mormons and Christians. So much for good Christians who are concerned about Mormons!
guffaw
October 8th, 2011
1:49 am
All religions are cults.
It’s just so cute to see people bicker over who has the best fairy tales.
Seymourhiney
October 8th, 2011
2:27 am
Religion is a joke. This is 2011, and the religious nuts are still fighting over who has the biggest o e.
God told me that the next President of the United States, is presently living in the White House.
I raised my children without religion, just good common sense and a tremendous education.
Three children, three medical doctors and 7 grand children, it is a good life. No one in our family has a plastic Jesus on the dashboard of our cars. We believe in science and education, not some mythical religious crap.
America is a dysfunctional nation primarily because of the religious nonsense.
The Republican Party is the poorest excuse for a governing party , no jobs, just force narrow minded religious crap on everyone. Jesus was probably gay, and a great con man, Mohammad was a warrior, and convicted forger Joesph Smith was shot to death in a St Joe, MO jail cell, along with his brother.
No wonder the religious nuts worship bibles, gubs and Palin.
Thomas
October 8th, 2011
4:22 am
Wow. So much anger, hatred, venom and intolerance from the “enlightened”, “rational” athiests.
fire eater
October 8th, 2011
4:48 am
Immigration is the only issue that the GOP needs to be concerned with. Which of the contenders will raise up the banner bravely carried by Georgia, Alabama and a few others to drive the illegal aliens from the land?
Rumors that the next debates have fallen under the evil influence of NY Mayor Bloomberg and his kind…no mention of “divisive” issues (read IMMIGRATION, GUNS) will be allowed and the candidates will be expected to drone on about “the economy.”
What if Rep. Bachmann rudely blurts out that that post-1965 immigrants are to blame for America’s economic crisis and refuses to shut up? Fortune favors the bold, Congresswoman.
Buckhead Boy
October 8th, 2011
5:02 am
First Century mythology opposed to Nineteenth Century mythology! A disgusting necessity, I suppose, to engage in this sort of thing until the Republican Party can sufficiently suppress the vote to insure its perpetual election. Then we can institute an absolute plutocracy, with public office going to the highest bidder; and any and all of this distasteful pandering to the unwashed masses may be eliminated. We’re almost there. Just a little more of this.
Smoke
October 8th, 2011
5:34 am
Obama got a “free pass” on Rev. Wright by the MSM? Really?
Skip
October 8th, 2011
5:51 am
Why are the republicans trying so hard to give Obama four more years?
Vernon
October 8th, 2011
6:22 am
One would have to be a “fool” to believe the doctrines of the Mormon church. We have one fool in the white house now and don’t need another one. It’s a pure cult if there ever was one. Finally, someone brings Romneys religion to the forefront.
Ol' Timer
October 8th, 2011
6:37 am
I wondered how long it would be before the Southern Baptists got their two cents worth into the campaign. These ol’ boys are so narrow minded they can see through a keyhole with both eyes and they’re confounded as to why their membership numbers are decreasing like Michelle Bachmann’s poll numbers.
Perry knew that by associating with this group he ran the risk of being splashed on by their religious intolerance, but was compelled to pander to them anyway. So he gets what he got — a distraction at a time when his campaign is imploding.
First, you can’t carry on a rational discussion with these guys because they’re irrational.
Reinhold Niebuhr hit the nail on the head when he said, “The tendency to claim God as an ally for our partisan values and ends is the source of all religious fanaticism.” And, fanatics they are.
Mitt Romney may be a Mormon, but he’s intelligent, articulate, indepentent and has worked a private sector job unlike Perry who has fed at the public trough for 27 years.
The problem is Mitt is too independent. The oligarchs want someone they can control, so look for massive amounts of money to shift to Perry and watch his numbers climb.
Travis McGee
October 8th, 2011
6:42 am
“A cult is a religious group with no political power.” ~Thomas Wolfe
Big Ern
October 8th, 2011
6:53 am
So what if he’s mormon? There’s only one candidate for President whose father was a polygamist and he’s currently in the White House.
seamus
October 8th, 2011
7:05 am
My God’s bigger then your God.
MrTy
October 8th, 2011
7:21 am
As an Episcopalian and married to a member of the LDS church, I have truly dreaded this type of story because the amount of ignorance to be exhibited by (1) the media, (2) some Christians and (3) some Mormons (to use the vernacular) is truly going to be something to witness.
While the probability of me joining the LDS Church is about the same as me finding Russell’s Teapot, I have great respect for the culture and principals Mormons that I know live by. It works for them and I am happy to have Mormon friends and a truly wonderful LDS wife.
While not decided as of yet on who to support in the coming election, I believe Mitt Romney to be a capable leader, which he seems to have proven in his past endeavors. Based on what I know, it is my opinion Mitt Romney would be a far better leader than Mr. Obama, a good an whose leadership skills for his current position are sorely lacking to the detriment of our nation.
While admonishing the media is a fairly vain exercise in futility, I do wish the more emotional sides of the religious parties to this debate would contemplate the qualities of tolerance and understanding that a humble carpenter from Nazareth desperately tried to teach.
I might as well keep looking for the teapot…
MrTy
October 8th, 2011
7:26 am
Ah, let me clarify my statement to say “(2) some mainstream Christians.” Mormons profess to follow the teachings of Christ, which, according to Jesus’ membership rules, is all that was required. And “Mr. Obama, a good man whose…”
Brian
October 8th, 2011
7:42 am
A Mormon president is not right for Georgia. First, Mormons don’t consume caffeine which means they don’t drink Coke. Second, they meet for three hours on Sunday which means that they don’t watch enough football. Finally, Mormons who have been to the temple wear special underwear which is more than most GOP voters wear under their britches.
Quit wasting your time trying to out-Christian one another. “Values” voters are manipulated by the GOP every cycle and get tricked into voting against their own best interests and the best interests of their communities by the GOP establishment.
Shep
October 8th, 2011
7:47 am
Thanks Seymourhiney , I agree with you completely, All religion is a cult and a crutch. If more Americans believed in facts and science and not religous crap, putting thier faith in some magical “Jesus” then America would not be headed down the crapper. I cracks me up all these people who think that their life is in God’s hands. Wake up people, YOU are in control of your life and destiney. At the end you are going to die and there is nothing you can do to change that.
Truth-O-Meter
October 8th, 2011
8:06 am
Will someone make the Republicans go away?
Since the 2008 campaign and election they have been engaged in one long temper tantrum.
• Obama was soft on defense. He killed Bin Laden and they still complained.
• Obama was not born in the USA (in fact I am sure some doubted that he was ever born, period). He produced the long form birth certificate and they marveled at what took so long and how did they know if it were real.
• Obama is a communist. Well so was Martin Luther King, Jr. and everybody else Republicans want to discredit.
• Obama was going to take away all of the guns. Obama endorsed the right of “tea party members” to bring guns to rallies.
• “Obama, where are the jobs.” When he proposes a jobs bill they say he’s playing politics. Oh, and they say, “No, I don’t like it.” (Just like my two-year old granddaughter!)
• Obama is not a Christian, only they are. Well, the Bible says, “ If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart you shall be saved.” It makes one wonder where these folks go to church and Bible study. Worse yet, Rev. Franklin Graham got in on the circus. Just think if his father, Rev. Billy Graham, had looked down on the throngs who came to Christ during his years of crusades and declared, “They say they are Christians, but I don’t know, I take them at their word.” What would be the point of evangelizing?
• Obama is trying to wreck the country. “Our goal is to make sure that Obama is a one term president.” – Sen. Mitch McConnell. Translated, we don’t care who gets hurt or who loses his job as long as Obama loses his job.
• Obama owns the economy now; Bush is no longer President so don’t give Bush credit or blame for the jobless problems or economic downturn. However, when Osama Bin Laden was killed, they were too happy to point out that Bush deserved credit for what he did to fight terrorism while in office.
• The Tea Party movement was a grassroots movement because people were feed up with Washington. Yet, the Occupy Wall Street, etc.….movement is a mob.
• Obama can’t create jobs, but Republicans can. Yet, Herman Cain said if you are out of work it’s your own fault. Now do you think someone who blames you for being out of work is going to work to create jobs for you?
If they win the 2012 election they will call for calm and cooperation. Well, I won’t forget what a hell hole they have made all of our lives for the last three years.
pathetic
October 8th, 2011
8:19 am
Well, the country managed to elect a muslim masqerading as a Christian who holds a Jewish seder so I am sure no one will stress about the Mormon issue. However, I do think the pastor may be exaggerating on Perry’s faith. Clearly, he is not an evangelical or he would have said a different answer to the question of whether romney is in a cult.
Give me a break
October 8th, 2011
8:30 am
Republicans can’t even agree within their own party “who is a Christian” how can they ever solve the nations problems which are more complex? I wonder what Jesus would say?
November 6, 2012
October 8th, 2011
8:37 am
You know, folks, really the only thing that’s important in this election to defeat the muslim, non-american socialist is that we elect a good, conservative person who strongly believes in America and will try to put policies in to protect our economy, our borders and our fight against those who want to destroy us. Mitt Romney is, above all else “a good person” with very good skills, and that’s not to say I’ll vote for him; however, he’s got to give me a good reason “Not to vote for him”. Watch out for “Newt”,do not overlook him, he’s probably the smartest candidate among the nine vying for the nomination and has a proven record of accomplishments. Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Paul, Santorum, et al are good people also, but are just not ready (or maybe I should say, the American People are not ready for them). Look out for someone yet unannounced
sparta_bubba
October 8th, 2011
8:48 am
So who’s surprised that the GOP stands for God’s Only People and by their definition that is white, straight, Southern Baptists.. No one else need apply. Herman and Mitt you’re wasting your time and somebody’s money.
sparta_bubba
October 8th, 2011
8:55 am
Truth-O-Meter well said!!!!
If you look up hypocrit in the dictionary, you will find a picture of a Republican.
mr. mack
October 8th, 2011
9:13 am
goverment and televison are blocking out ron paul now christians are blocking out ron paul and his views. Speaking about holding up the constitution- there is no better canidate then ron paul. I can promise you that a lot of so call christians will vote for romeny or perry only because they look like a president, sound like a christian and have some good views, but still keeping goverment in control. That is the plan of the goverment to keep someone in office that will not destroy there plan totally as ron paul…
America will only get what we vote for… When samuel advised the people of old that God is there king and to serve him the people wanted a king that was according to what they wanted, the lord told them that this king will make them slaves and bring pain to them… the people did not care because the king sound good and looked nice and was there relative(Well in this case today a self claim christian), so the Lord gave the people what they wanted, i can promise you if they would have turned to him he would have given them another chance…. Tell me didnt we-america choose obama including we-christians, so we got what we ask for, if we choose romney then we will get what we ask for, america we want to have more liberty and rise from unemployment and away from the goverment but I can promise you if we dont choose ron paul in his views then how can that be accomplish with a temporary soulution- he has been the only one that has given us a full scale solution to our problems, everyone else only has given us a temporary fix..(listen to the debates in there plans for yourself) do america really want freedom or a temporary fix??..
Independent voter
October 8th, 2011
9:13 am
I bet president Obama is sitting back laughing at the republican party argueing over religious.
That why I said the republican party is a party of clowns.
That why the republican party dont want to pass the job bill because of clowns they have in office.
redneckbluedog
October 8th, 2011
9:31 am
It’s not the weirdness nor the secrecy of Mormonism that makes me not like it, nor even the Planet Kolob….it’s the fact they think Mormons are the only ones that truly receive providence….That is VERY DIVISIVE in itself…It excludes Jews AND Christians…!!!!!
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October 8th, 2011
9:32 am
They’re all cults anyway….why does it matter which one you subscribe to?
thewindwhistler
October 8th, 2011
9:33 am
I have a cousin who is a Mormon[Bishop]‘ The Mormons do not interact with other faiths, atleast I have never seen it. That in itself puts them well outside the mainstream of Christianity. Although they fervently claim to be stong followers of Jesus, they do not believe in the cross that Jesus was crucified on. So, I say they are more a isolated religious group, not a cult.
LizBeth
October 8th, 2011
9:38 am
Ooooo! Romney just became the Republican primaries’ boogeyman. “We can’t control him, so don’t vote for him. He’s scary. Almost scarier than Obama!” Of course, after the primaries, it will be back to the same-o, same-o fear tactics about Obama.
adam larson
October 8th, 2011
9:55 am
I would support a Mormon for President and can’t stand most of the foolishness from the Religious Right. That being said, the reason Mormonism is labeled a cult is because it uses the same terminology as Christianity (God, Jesus, baptism, etc.) but fundamentally and dramatically changed the Biblical message:
Joseph Smith taught that man could progress toward a state of godhood, becoming co-equal with God (Christianity teaches that man is created by God, always to be subordinate)
Smith taught that God was indeed once a man, and that God did not create out of nothing
Brigham Young taught that Adam became God, and that he returned to the Earth to father Jesus with Mary
And current LDS members believe God the Father has a wife that together birthed humanity through a sexual union.
Now perhaps they are completely right and the Bible is wrong. I have no problem with accepting that. But it is a completely different religion altogether, and shouldn’t be confused with traditional Christianity because of shared terms.
Bootnewt
October 8th, 2011
9:56 am
The only religious test I would set would be, “Does the candidate believe in the immediate coming of the Apocalypse?” Sarah Palin and bunch would have us do anything to bring war and destruction on the earth so that Jesus can come back asap.
ha
October 8th, 2011
10:03 am
Debate? Mormons are nuts and I would not vote for one on a bet.
midtownguy
October 8th, 2011
10:10 am
When it comes right down to it, the Republicans will not nominate a black man or a non-fundamentalist christian, which leaves them with Perry. Perry on the ballot will assure four more years of Obama. He is too far right, and carries way too much baggage for mainstream outside-the-bible-belt America.
Turqoise Brisket
October 8th, 2011
10:12 am
Mary wasn’t a virgin. It’s the greatest fib ever told to keep Joseph from gettin’ his arse whooped.
MB
October 8th, 2011
10:12 am
Mormonism is a cult. If Romney wins the nomination then I support him in the general election; however, he will not be the best candidate to beat Obama. While religion is not the only issue to base support for a particular candidate, it does speak to his character and poor judgement.
Anyone who can be deceived into believing the false teachings of the Mormon church can be deceived into believing the lies of the democrats in congress.
Fortunately we have an opportunity to support a man of character as well as someone that is a strong Christian and that is Herman Cain!
jan
October 8th, 2011
10:18 am
It’s amazing that with all of the opportunities that the LDS church has made to be open, to enlighten, and inform people about their beliefs (i.e. mormon.org), that so many people choose to remain ignorant and simply swallow what their ‘religious leaders’ tell them and become haters, rather than find out for themselves and make their own choices. Christians- greatest haters in the world, and ’sheeple’ to boot.
Ashley
October 8th, 2011
10:19 am
The only thing I want from my President or congress…is for them not to be liars. I could care less what religion or lack of religion a person is. There are so many people in the world who proclaim to be Christians, but yet their deeds and words say otherwise. The main reason we have so many different churches and denomination is because people can agree on the right way to serve the Lord and Jesus Christ. As far as I’m concerned bashing someones religious belief is … far from being Christ-like…isn’t that what the meaning of being a Christian is? Being superior is not something Jesus aspired to, he was humble and kind while he was here on earth. Accepting of all is what he preached. The only time Jesus became annoyed was when the Pharisees and other religious leader boosted in the temple that their sacrifice to God was more worthy and righteous. Jesus called them hypocrites and told them to their face…..it would appear that needs to happed again.
double
October 8th, 2011
10:21 am
I suppose Democrats in congress are the only liars.When you think this,I would not talk about poor judgement.
Ronnie Raygun
October 8th, 2011
10:22 am
That group is bad because they rub red mud in their bellybuttons. Everyone knows God wanted us to rub blue mud into our bellybuttons. That group of people is going to be punished by God for rubbing the wrong color mud in their bellybuttons. God “said so”. Vote for me!
dixiedemons
October 8th, 2011
10:29 am
We all know the usual white guy will be the GOP nominee and the usual white guys will vote for him
( Perry). The party is having a harder time getting the rest of the population to take the GOP bait . The party is not a reflection of our nation. The party is guided by low morals and misguided value systems ( corporate lobbyists ). As long as someone is making money and having fun anything goes.
Joe Schmoe
October 8th, 2011
10:31 am
I am not voting for Romney, because he is plastic, and bends and conforms to the will of the moment like a chameleon. He is just trying to get this job anyway he can, but his record proves he is a little “less” conservative than he say he is.
honested
October 8th, 2011
10:37 am
While many are busy hinting that somehow perry is superior, is anyone not the least bit queasy about his ‘apostolic reformation’ nonsense or the absolutely absurd concept of ‘dominion’.
Since there has not been a republican candidate since nixon (a terrible thought) who did not start by professing their absolute attachment to their imaginary friend, I cannot see justification for voting for a republican under any reason.
Magic underwear or not.
Corey
October 8th, 2011
10:37 am
Rub their faces in it Truth-O-Meter, rub their faces in it. None of them on here can refute what you posted. The best they can do is to continue to call the president names and throw out the worn out labels: socialist, communist, Muslim, anti-American, community organizer. I am old enough to remember when Dr. King was leading the struggle, and yes the constant refrain of “he’s a communist” was served up daily throughout Dixie.
Ronnie Raygun
October 8th, 2011
10:38 am
“Fortunately we have an opportunity to support a man of character as well as someone that is a strong Christian and that is Herman Cain!”
Herman, is that you?
AYNIL
October 8th, 2011
10:41 am
If you believe there are natural laws, then fundamentalism of any stripe is wrong. But the politics of fundamentalism in the US today is little more than a shadow play. What we see is not real.
If the public were even remotely curious, it could see. Try it. Find the names of the leaders of the various movements. Google them. You’ll find many are engaged in hate wars with each other to cement their own claim to power (a rather unchristian motive) and financial reward.
Yes. If the public were even remotely curious, it would discover the cornerstones of many political fundamentalist organizations are some of mankind’s oldest sins: Greed and envy.
midtownguy
October 8th, 2011
10:41 am
1) All politicians bend and conform to the will of the electorate. Their primary goal is to get re-elected and keep their power and perks. They are all crooks even those who profess their religion.
2) Jesus is not a Republican (nor a Democrat)
3) People vote their own self-interest, not on any principle. That’s why Clinton got re-elected even after he lied under oath. Things were good and everybody had a job.
4) What will determine the election is not who the Republicans nominate, but the state of the economy next November.
honested
October 8th, 2011
10:42 am
Corey,
And back then the hurling of ‘communist’ was coming from that model citizen herbert hoover.
td
October 8th, 2011
10:44 am
Seymourhiney
October 8th, 2011
2:27 am
To be such a so called intelligent person you do not understand very much do you? If you had a basic understanding of the history of this country and economics then you would know that we are a great nation today due to our Judeo/ Christian ethics and morals. If you knew anything about basic economics then you would know that the government does not create jobs and that the government gets in the way of invention/creativeness and the private sector.
AYNIL
October 8th, 2011
10:48 am
ah, Mr. TD
It is a government “of the people.” Do we get in our own way? Have you ever heard of the Jefferson Bible? Rev. Jeff wouldn’t like what Thomas was preaching.
DannyX
October 8th, 2011
10:51 am
This would be a good time for everyone to pick up their Jefferson Bible…
Wait. Can we get a ruling? Was Thomas Jefferson a Christian? Jefferson cut out all the stuff in the Bible he believed in then pasted together his very own version of the Bible. Jefferson took out all the miracles.
Can the war on Christmas be traced to Jefferson? Look at all the miracles he had to take out of the Jesus birth story. There certainly is no Easter in the Jefferson Bible, is that “Christian?”
Would one of our founding fathers now be ineligible for the presidency?
honested
October 8th, 2011
10:54 am
td
What does judeo/christian mythology have to do with success derived from the hard work of millions that had no interest in the nonsense of religion?
midtownguy
October 8th, 2011
10:57 am
“The government cannot create jobs.” All the multi-billion dollar defense contracts don’t create jobs? All those folks in Marietta building aircraft aren’t considered employed? The thousands of people Boeing employed to build the space station didn’t draw a paycheck. All those civilian employees of the armed forces are volunteers?
td
October 8th, 2011
11:02 am
Truth-O-Meter
October 8th, 2011
8:06 am
Let us talk about some of your so called truth:
“• Obama is a communist. Well so was Martin Luther King, Jr. and everybody else Republicans want to discredit.”
Obama supporters like Al Sharpton call Obama a “Social Democrat”. Obama himself states he is for “social justice” and “redistribution of wealth”. Please tell me what these terms mean if not socialism/communism?
“• The Tea Party movement was a grassroots movement because people were feed up with Washington. Yet, the Occupy Wall Street, etc.….movement is a mob”
When have people from Tea party rallies been arrested for civil disobedience? This group has been interviewed and the vast majority of them are want to bring on full fledged socialism and do away with capitalism. The movement was small to begin with and sponsored by George Soros behind the scenes but now the unions, moveon.org and other leftest groups are getting behind them to moderate the views. Tea Party was a real movement and this on is a farce to try to get the youth fired up and vote for Obama.
” Obama can’t create jobs, but Republicans can”
Truth GOVERNMENT does not create jobs, the private sector does. Governments hinder job creation.
td
October 8th, 2011
11:07 am
Corey
October 8th, 2011
10:37 am
MLK was a communist sympathizer at best. Go read some of the FBI reports about true communist he held meetings with.
td
October 8th, 2011
11:12 am
Independent voter
October 8th, 2011
9:13 am
I bet president Obama is sitting back laughing at the republican party argueing over religious.
That why I said the republican party is a party of clowns.
That why the republican party dont want to pass the job bill because of clowns they have in office.
You seem to forget the little fact that Harry Reid (Democratic majority leader in the Senate) refuses to bring Obama’s bill to a vote. He now says he is going to re write the bill and bring it up but he will not let the Obama bill be voted on. What about those facts?
honested
October 8th, 2011
11:12 am
td
Your consistency is predictable.
Drawing from the same worn, hackneyed examples of propaganda, and pretending that simply restating the nonsense gives it credibility.
midtownguy
October 8th, 2011
11:14 am
The government can and does create jobs, but they are not the primary job creators, small businesses are. But the I-hate-the-government types alway make the blanket and emphatic statement that government can’t create jobs (I remain puzzled as to how you can love your country but despise it governance at the same time). And if that self same “government” passes laws conducive to the expansion and growth of small businesses is that not the “government” creating jobs?
DannyX
October 8th, 2011
11:14 am
“…the government gets in the way of invention/creativeness and the private sector.”
Are you kidding? Our government has been a great partner with business. Government run universities invest big time research money that directly benefit our businesses. Agriculture, computer/technology, aerospace, pharmaceutical, military, the list goes on, all benefit from government involvement.
Where exactly has our government stifled our creativity td?
EdinAtlanta
October 8th, 2011
11:15 am
I’m pretty much an atheist but I think it’s kind of cool that Mormanism is AMERICAN. All religion is mythology, so why not have our own, American version which Mormanism certainly is?
td
October 8th, 2011
11:15 am
honested
October 8th, 2011
10:54 am
td
What does judeo/christian mythology have to do with success derived from the hard work of millions that had no interest in the nonsense of religion?
You seem to forget that it is the Judeo/Christian work ethic you are talking about. The libs and socialist and want the government to take care of people that do not want to work. They are the ones that file law suits and raise h3ll when conservatives attach work requirements to welfare checks.
td
October 8th, 2011
11:18 am
honested
October 8th, 2011
11:12 am
td
Your consistency is predictable.
Drawing from the same worn, hackneyed examples of propaganda, and pretending that simply restating the nonsense gives it credibility
My consistency is the truth and you socialist can not stand the truth because it stops your agenda of tearing down a capitalistic society and turning us into a European socialist economy.
Ol' Timer
October 8th, 2011
11:21 am
Let’s just cut to the chase. Whether it’s believing that Joseph Smith found some golden tablets that required special spectacles to read which became the book of Mormon or Jesus coming back on clouds of glory to take the redeemed home — this religious mindset is a situation that requires the setting aside of one’s rational side and embracing myth.
And to be quite honest, one myth is as good as the other.
“The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or not god. It neighter picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. . .” ~ Thomas Jefferson
And, then Mr. Jefferson went on to say, “. . . . but that all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matter of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities.” ~Thomas Jefferson
Listen up folks, I don’t think anyone has a monopoly on the Almighty, not evern Southern Bapatists.
honested
October 8th, 2011
11:21 am
td
If it is a ‘judeo/christian work ethic’ explain the substantial civilization and construction of structures that had occurred around the world before the judeo goat herders invented their god?
suzanne henderson
October 8th, 2011
11:21 am
We feel that Mitt Romney is a good moral man in our society, but we as Christians also believe that Momonism is a Cult. We feel that if any man puts another so-called prophet above Jesus Christ would not make good decisions as a President because if that person is so deceived by Joseph Smith, then how could they make good decisions in our government. It says in the New Testament in the Book of Galations Chapter 1 Verses 8 that “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” We did not need a new Church, the Church is Christ Body and whoever believes that Christ died for them and receives Christ as their Savior is considered a Saint in Christ and he is the head of the Church. We did not need Joseph Smith to give us another Gospel. We do not want a president in office that is that deceived. May God through His Son Jesus help our nation.
td
October 8th, 2011
11:25 am
DannyX
October 8th, 2011
11:14 am
How is that government doing in stifling the oil and coal industry right now? Bill Gates has stated that under the current government rules and regulations that Microsoft could not have became a company today. How long does it now take to get a new drug to market? How much is it costing you and I today because our doctors have to run unnecessary test and procedures because of the laws on suing people?
RustyHinges
October 8th, 2011
11:26 am
I have no problem with Rev. Jeffress stating his beliefs – that is the beauty of our free society. Given that, what does bother me as someone who is fiscally and socially right of center:
1) The GOP continues to cowtow to the far right evangelical sector as opposed to making its case to the vastly higher number of independents.
2) Rick Perry not disavowing Rev. Jeffress’ remarks IMMEDIATELY after being introduced by him. That action truly would have shown character over politics.
td
October 8th, 2011
11:30 am
honested
October 8th, 2011
11:21 am
What makes your humanistic (communist) religion better than the Christian religion? Show me a society lead by social humanism that has been successful? USSSR? When you can not bring a people together under one set of common core values and morals then that society will fail.
DannyX
October 8th, 2011
11:33 am
“We feel that if any man puts another so-called prophet above Jesus Christ would not make good decisions as a President…”
What about Thomas Jefferson? That verse you quoted didn’t make the Jefferson Bible. Jefferson didn’t really believe in angels according to his Bible. Jefferson took out Easter.
Suzanne, was Jefferson a good president? He probably couldn’t get elected today, can you imagine Bill O’Reilly going off on Jefferson with a “WAR ON EASTER” tirade.
Could you say there is no Easter and get elected these days?
Buck Hayek
October 8th, 2011
11:38 am
I have listened to conservative Christians yammer about how the Constitution was based on Judeo-Christianity.
But I can only find slavery as an example of Judeo-Christian philosophy in the original Constitution. Nothing else.
Give me that Secular Humanist Bill of Rights anytime!
honested
October 8th, 2011
11:38 am
td
There you go again.
Nobody said anything about ‘communism’, I just asked you about the massive development of civilizations around the world before judeo goat herders invented the god you seem to credit for everything that has happened since.
Ethics have nothing to do with religion. Work ethic has much more to do with survival.
DannyX
October 8th, 2011
11:45 am
“How is that government doing in stifling the oil and coal industry right now?”
Last I checked oil prices are down and production is up, highest level since 2003.
Our technology and creativity lead the world.
Our doctors in Georgia are now protected against frivolous lawsuits. We already had tort reform.
Where do you get these tired old talking points you can never back up td?
Disgusted Republican
October 8th, 2011
11:45 am
Oh some of you Baptist Preachers! You bad mouth Mormons as a cult and some of you even badmouth Masons as being heretics and wild eyed sinners. The nutty part is that a lot of Baptists are Masons (including Deacons and Pastors). Can’t understand how you reconcile that. You also make folks pledge not to drink when they join your churches and yet about 70 percent of adult Baptists are closet drinkers. And you are worried about Mormons destroying the country because of what they profess to believe? Maybe you should spend a little more time practicing the actual teachings of Jesus Christ (especially as they apply to your attitude toward your fellow man) instead of playing “gotcha” partisan politics and pointing fingers at others who may not exactly spout the exact same “doctrine of man” as you do. Right now our country is in deep trouble and unless we pull together we are going into the dust bin of history. We need to get real and choose someone who will actually take the necessary steps to get us out of this economic mess! And, no, I am not a Mormon. And yes, I am a Christian!
midtownguy
October 8th, 2011
11:49 am
Nothing in the Bible instructs it’s followers to celebrate Christmas or Easter in any special way. Those are not Christian holidays, they are Catholic holidays invented by the early church to keep followers away from the winter and spring pagan festivals. No true fundamentalist Christian would celebrate either of those “holidays.” The fact that Baptist have large Christmas and Easter celebrations is just them bowing to the Pope in Rome.
Joe
October 8th, 2011
11:51 am
Church and State are separate entities in this country – we don’t need to judge candidates by their religion, only by their previous actions. Mitt Romney has done a substantial amount of good, so I see no reason why we shouldn’t vote for him just because he is Mormon.
Buck Hayek
October 8th, 2011
11:54 am
Sean Hannity repeats the same three lies over and over again.
One of them is “We can’t drill in the US anymore!”
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-15/markets/30158293_1_crude-oil-permian-lrg
(Goldman says we will double oil production under Obama and become #1 in the world)
td
October 8th, 2011
11:56 am
DannyX
October 8th, 2011
11:45 am
Gas prices were $1:81 per gallon when Obama took office, what are they now? Go ask all those out of work oil workers in LA about government interference.
Ol' Timer
October 8th, 2011
11:58 am
The Southern Baptist preacher that was deriding Mormonism as a cult needs to take a time out. The Southern Baptist Convention has seen a declining number of baptisms and church membership over the past several years and the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints has become the fastest growing religious movement in the U.S, if not the world.
Could it be the judgemental and negative approach taken by the SBC on so many subjects is not resonating with the American people, while the family focus and upbeat message of the LDS is being warmly received.
This could be a teachable moment if the SBC would take a good look. . . .nah! They have a franchise on salvation and if you want to get to heaven you’ve got to ride their train.
Sad. Ignorant, too.
Buck Hayek
October 8th, 2011
12:01 pm
td-
Crude oil peaked at $147/bbl in 2008.
It is $82/bbl now.
You cherry picked the depth of the Bush Depression when GDP was -8.9%.
td
October 8th, 2011
12:05 pm
honested
October 8th, 2011
11:38 am
You chose to not answer my question? I will ask one more time. Name a successful civilization that prescribed to secular humanism?
ramguy68
October 8th, 2011
12:05 pm
Oh those wacky Repubs…always drinking the haterade!
td
October 8th, 2011
12:08 pm
Buck Hayek
October 8th, 2011
12:01 pm
td-
Crude oil peaked at $147/bbl in 2008.
It is $82/bbl now.
You cherry picked the depth of the Bush Depression when GDP was -8.9%.
I am so glad that you think Bush had the amount of power to cause a world wide depression. If prices for oil are so low now then why is gas prices still so high? Is it not a fact that gas prices were $1.81 the day Bush left office?
Clinton "Skeet" Tyree
October 8th, 2011
12:11 pm
It’s kinda funny to me that folks argue about religion: my myth is better than your myth.
My guess is when these folks get to heaven, if there is a heaven, there’s going to be two great surprises: One, some folks they thought was going to be there ain’t going to be there, and, two, some people they didn’t think was going to make the cut got in.
Buck Hayek
October 8th, 2011
12:13 pm
td
Oil fell to $33/bbl at year end of 2008 so I guess $1.81 is in line. The economy was on its death bed and commodities follow.
And the United States is the best example of a Secular Humanist success. Our Constitution demands Secularism in the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause.
Clinton "Skeet" Tyree
October 8th, 2011
12:14 pm
@td — the price of gasoline has more to do with the speculators like the Koch Brothers than the president or regulations or any other factor.
Bootnewt
October 8th, 2011
12:30 pm
Herman Cain better watch out! People of literalist/fundamentalist Rev. Jeffress’ ilk will comment that Cain shouldn’t be elected President because he suffers from the “the curse of Ham.”….you know the Bible story from Genesis where Ham mocked his father Noah’s drunken nakedness on the Ark and Noah pronounced a curse of Blackness on the descendents of Ham that populated the African continent after the Great Flood.
suzanne henderson
October 8th, 2011
12:33 pm
To DannyX, If my husband and I know ahead of time what a candidate believes or does not believe and if it does not match up with Scripture as God has taught us, we would not vote for that person and that is why we did not vote in the last election. My husband and I studied with the Mormon Church for a six week study course when we were in our early 20’s and we have been married now for 53 years, so we go way back. We both come from different Church backgrounds, but now we both believe the same that Christ is the Church and we follow Him Only. We are still learning and we left the so-called Church establishment 20 years ago and never regretted it. My husband leads Bible Studies and no money is involved with what we do. We follow Christ daily and do not practice Sin as Sin is defined in Scripture. We believe that Christ is the Church and the Mormons teach that when the apostles died that the Church died and when Christ is the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OR LORDS, how can Joseph Smith come along and start a new Church when Jesus said the Upon this Rock, I shall build my Church and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Christ Church never failed and Joseph Smith said he seen an angel. Well in Galations, it does say that if a Angel comes to you and teaches another Gospel of which Joseph Smith did teach another Gospel and it was not the Gospel that we already knew in the first place. We all must Study the Scripture and know what it teaches and you will be held responsible for what you tell or teach others. It says in Acts Chapter 17 referring to Apostle Paul’s great Sermon on Mar’s Hill, Verses 23-25. “For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands as though he needed anything, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;” God through Jesus Christ now lives in our Hearts and we need none to teach you but the Holy Spirit in I John Chapter 2 Verses 26-27. Will the real Church please stand up!! For the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD is the ONLY CHURCH and we do not have to call ourselves any denomination such as Presbyterian, Catholic, Baptist etc., for we are Christans. Praise His Holy Name. That says it all. May God Help America.
TomPaine
October 8th, 2011
12:41 pm
If Jesus came back today, he would be angry at those of you who claim to speak on your behalf. Some of you expecting to spend eternity in a heavenly place may be in for a surprise. A very, very warm surprise.
Robert Jeffress’s Bizarre and Unbiblical Beliefs | The French Revolution
October 8th, 2011
12:55 pm
[...] not make them a believer.In a 2008 debate with Jay Sekulow he even went so far as to declare that he’d vote for a pro-choice Christian over a pro-life Mormon in a Republican primary because of the “eternal consequences” which could lead people [...]
Big Daddy
October 8th, 2011
12:57 pm
Jesus is magic! Momons believe in the angel Moroni and speaking their “gospel” into a hat. Well, they don’t really believe that. Not the smart ones, anyway.
Jenzen
October 8th, 2011
1:16 pm
Pardon my pun but thand God for Galloway and his vapid articles. Otherwise I’d be hard-pressed to keep up with the atheistic and secular viewpoints of other brain-dead bloggers. Boy, am I glad that I found out it wasn’t a Supreme Being that created the universe; it was only a quick snap of the fingers and POOF! there it was. Hmmmm. Wonder who or what “snapped his/her/its finergs”?
Jenzen
October 8th, 2011
1:18 pm
Stop frothing at the mouth people, I meant “FINGERS”
John K
October 8th, 2011
1:28 pm
The GOP let religion get completely entrenched in their party, and this is what you get. They want a theocracy, but everyone is too stupid to realize they each want their particular belief to call the shots.
CH
October 8th, 2011
1:32 pm
Thank you to the “Mormons” who have responded in such a respectful manner. Truly, as the BIBLE says, “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
Mama Says
October 8th, 2011
1:40 pm
Hey Jim did you do an article on the good Rev. Wright preaching that The USA was satan ? if u did I missed it.
The fact is that the Republican party votes it’s belief system JUST LIKE THE DEMOCRATS. You libs only have a problem when it is someone else who believes differently. You never see yourselves as the group who is thinking wrong or differen,t it’s only the other guy.
Vote for who you want and we willl vote for who we want. This crap about it will not be Romney or it will not be Cain is only your own standard of bias thining. You judge all conservatives through the prisim of your concept of w we are, based on your own beliefs—-therefore you are what you say you hate, judemental, double standard loons who are totally inconsiderate for any thought except your own.
VOTE HERMAN CAIN 2012
cartoon
October 8th, 2011
1:49 pm
The point of Mormonism is that Jesus Christ’s ministry and message didn’t end on the cross, but that he had a newer different message in the new world.
Sure.
td
October 8th, 2011
1:58 pm
Clinton “Skeet” Tyree
October 8th, 2011
12:14 pm
@td — the price of gasoline has more to do with the speculators like the Koch Brothers than the president or regulations or any other factor.
The Koch brothers own real companies like Georgia Pacific. George Sorros is a speculator. Has not been proven yet but there are rumors that he made $5 or $6 billion right by betting against the US and the downgrade of the bond funds.
td
October 8th, 2011
2:02 pm
Buck Hayek
October 8th, 2011
12:13 pm
td
Oil fell to $33/bbl at year end of 2008 so I guess $1.81 is in line. The economy was on its death bed and commodities follow.
And the United States is the best example of a Secular Humanist success. Our Constitution demands Secularism in the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause.
I read this and spit my drink out laughing so hard. This is what you socialist with your ACLU lapdogs in tow want everyone to think. You really need to go do a little history reading about how much religion has been involved with development of our country the past 250 years.
Kendall
October 8th, 2011
2:47 pm
As a Mormon, I am through with the Republican Party. Why should I be part of a party where a substantial majority hates me? I am asking my fellow Mormons do do the same.
Wow!!!!!
October 8th, 2011
2:58 pm
I thought conservatives loved everyone……. Isn’t that what the Lord said instead of making them your enemy???!!!!!!!! I’m just saying!!!!!!
Sloan
October 8th, 2011
3:02 pm
Mormons may believe they are Christians. However, they are not part of the Reformed Protestant Church that claims denominations like Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, etc.
For those liberals who claim that Christians are just haters, perhaps it is the truth that bothers you so much. God’s truth is not always a popular thing, and it certainly isn’t rooted in our secular culture of “tolerance at any cost” that is at the core of liberal thought.
I will vote for Romney over Obama. But not because of his religious beliefs. I will vote for an equally conservative, effective leader who is a Christian over Mr. Romney.
Lin in Cobb
October 8th, 2011
3:03 pm
We would be much better off, if all government leaders on all levels were completely secular. Romney should handle the criticism of his religion the same way John Kennedy handled the criticism of his religion.
Wow!!!!!
October 8th, 2011
3:12 pm
First Muslims, now Mormons!!!!! Christians are acting like the real terrorists!!!!!! They don’t like anyone that’s not Christian. Sounds like the Nazis to me.
double
October 8th, 2011
3:22 pm
Centrist wrong again Galloway will go back to Cain.
Swede Atlanta
October 8th, 2011
3:36 pm
The problem I have with Jeffress is his assertion that Mitt Romney is not a Christian but Rick Perry is.
In my mind neither are. Christ called us to care for the least among us. He called us to compassion.
I doubt Christ would condone the actions of Romney’s companies to displace thousands of American workers in lieu of cheaper labor in China. He wouldn’t welcome Romney’s elitist station in life with his millions and millions in the bank. What has he, as opposed to Carter and Clinton done to help the ranks of the poor, the sick, the disenfranchised?
As for Perry, the fact he has absolutely no problem sleeping at night with the knowledge that he allowed one or more innocent convicts go to their deaths tells me he is not a Christian. His economic policies have resulted in Texas having significant poverty. They have made Texas one of the worst states for people without health insurance. I could go on and on.
So this is a bit of cat-calling. Neither one is a Christian.
duke
October 8th, 2011
3:43 pm
The only Mormons who really know what Mormonism teaches are the ones who go through the ritual at the temple. Not all Mormons are allowed into one of the temples. It is not a place for general worship, like the temples of some religions. It is a place where certain selected members are allowed to go- only once, I think- to go through a sort of initiation. The way to learn about this is to listen to the testimony of former Mormons who went through the temple ritual, who absorbed the teaching there and believed it, who defended those teachings openly against knowledgeable Christian debaters, and who in the proces of those debates were converted to Christianity.
Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a physical body, and that He had sexual relations with Mary the Mother. In the resurrection, each Mormon male who is found worthy- the standard is not merely faith in Christ; very few will make it- will become the Father-God of his own solar system, which will be populated entirely with his own descendants. The wife is not resurrected unless the husband chooses to resurrect her. There is a lot more along those lines, but I can’t remember it.
The true biography of Joseph Smith is very different from the official biography. He came from a long line of con artists, and was the most successful one in the traditional trade of his family. When his various schemes began to catch up with him in the state he was in- I can’t remember, was it Utah?- he tried to escape by running for President of the United States. That attracted attention from the news media. When Smith and his thugs destroyed the printing presses of a newspaper which printed the truth about him, the U.S. army got involved; and he ended up in jail, where he belonged. All the people whom he had swindled, people whose relatives he had murdered, and so forth, stormed the jail and lynched him. One of his followers had smuggled in a gun, and he killed several of the attackers before they got him.
There was nothing holy or spiritual about Joseph Smith; he did not even measure up to routine standards of morality. It is a mystery that the religion founded by such a man could produce so many members who are in fact moral human beings, and very dedicated America patriots.
Xanthippe
October 8th, 2011
3:58 pm
It’s a moot point because cults and religions are the exact same thing.
Swede Atlanta
October 8th, 2011
4:02 pm
Duke, let me begin by saying I am a Christian that is active in a mainstream Protestant (non-Baptist) denomination. So I am not anti-Christian.
But the current “Christian” belief system that originated with the Catholic Chuch, is based on doctrines that were agreed and adopted by mortal men. They chose which “gospels” or faith traditions to include in the Christian Bible. They were, in fact, editors of the faith based on purely personal beliefs. I do not believe those decisions were based on anything spiritual but rather on what they believed would further their own personal positions as well as “the faith”.
Given that I think the current Bible is a hand-picked glossary of stories told by questionable people (I believe Christ came to this world to save mankind from sin), why should we not give the stories of Joseph Smith the same credence?
Both traditions are filled with enough corruption and vagary to scare one away. The Catholic Church’s indulgences and going back and forth on priestly celibacy to Mormonism’s belief in polygamy and then renouncing it and initially claiming blacks were the descendants of Cain and then welcoming them into the priesthood are enough evidence that “organized and controlled” religion serves on the hierarchy. It has nothing to do with true faith.
Ronaldus Hyattus
October 8th, 2011
4:48 pm
Why would it matter to you commie lib wackos if the GOP bashes a mormon, you’re atheist scum, you should be helping. Oh,wait, you are, but not directly, but the Alinsky/Obamacommie way.
Hard on the Beaver Ward
October 8th, 2011
4:50 pm
Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, what’s the difference?
Corey
October 8th, 2011
5:03 pm
Will someone please sit TD down and school him/her about the relationship between back leaders and the FBIduring the days of the struggle? TD, you keep viewing the US through 21st century lenses.
it says in the bible that....
October 8th, 2011
5:10 pm
jesus is a libtard
booberry
October 8th, 2011
5:34 pm
jesus is a drunk, his 1st miracle was turning water into wine
Veronica M Reimann
October 8th, 2011
7:23 pm
It is comments like Rev. Jeffress that turned me away from Gov. Huckbee when he was running in 2008 I’ve heard the same illiterate comments when John F Kennedy was running, No I did not vote for Kennedy and I was a convent raised Catholic I have lived amoung the LDS since 1956 and I am married to a LDS man No I have not joined the LDS church, But yes they are devote christians, Enough of this this religous malarky, the Rev Jefferess is out of order, his superiors need to publicly need to sensior this man Lets get together and vote for the best canidate to help our country out of this mess we are in and get rid of Obama
ND
October 8th, 2011
8:44 pm
As a non-Christian I pray for the day Americans become mature enough to realize that religious preference has absolutely nothing to do with how well a person can run the country. If anything, adhering to a religion that explicitly professes its own superiority over others is a handicap, not an asset.
bob
October 8th, 2011
8:52 pm
buddhists are the best.
AYNIL
October 8th, 2011
11:06 pm
“Hence the doctrines he really delivered were defective as a whole, and fragments only of what he did deliver have come to us mutilated, misstated and often unintelligible.” TJ
parachute pirate
October 9th, 2011
3:15 am
All the comments, all the hatred. all the self righteousness. I am grateful to be living in a country where one can speak their minds. Crap has a right to be crap…..one could go on forever. I am a convert to the LDS church. There is no magic underwear (wrong, but funny). I have heard it all and have held my beliefs after a life time of unhappiness and searching, and bad choices, and checking out other “cults” (LOVE
parachute pirate
October 9th, 2011
3:29 am
love this phrase.
Mitt Romney is LDS and a Republican. I will probably not vote for him because I am a democrat and more liberal in my thinking than he is. You would be amazed at the number of Mormons who are not republican or all that conservatie in their political views. As for the pastor’s remarks. I am sure he was well intentioned and not much else. We all have choices and can enjoy the benefits or the consequences of those choices. If you REALLY knew anything about LDS teachings, you know this is a major cornerstone of their faith. Yes, Mormons do study the Bilbe all the time. Believe me, my Bible class is intense and informative. I love it.
Personally, if all one does is worry about the faith of lack there of, of said politicians they really just have way too much time on their hands.
Bring it on, baby.
way off base
October 9th, 2011
8:11 am
Duke:
It would be hard to fit more disinformation into your comments.
The best way to learn about “conventional Christianity” is to find someone, perhaps a priest, pastor, bishop, reverend, or deacon, who met with representatives of other faiths and abandoned Christianity to become a Muslim, Jew, or atheist. That’s credible and convincing, right?
There is not enough time or space to devote to debunking every bit of information that is incorrect about what you wrote. The basic question is the advisability of a religious litmus test for candidates for public office. It does not square consitutionally or from a rational standpoint. Jay Sekulow does an admirable job of pointing out the dangers of allowing bigotry, ignorance, and religious intolerance to interfere with voting for good candidates.
But for reference:
The LDS can go to temples multiple times. All worthy members can go.
In the resurrection, Mormon males cannot impede the resurrection of reighteous females. Mormons belive that resurrection is a free gift provided for all through Christ. You said “There is a lot more along those lines, but I can’t remember it.” It’s probably a good thing, considering that what your misremembered is completely errant.
Ah, “The true biography of Joseph Smith” could we have the ISBN on that? Joseph Smith never made it to Utah. He was killed by “good Christians” in a mob in Illinois [that's in the Midwest]. “Smith and his thugs destroyed the printing presses of a newspaper which printed the truth about him, the U.S. army got involved; and he ended up in jail, where he belonged.” Wow. As the First Amendment (or the Bill of Rights) had not yet been incorporated to the states at that point, the destruction of a printing press occurred when a local council declared it (the press) a public nuisance, a Mormon press was destroyed. And since when do mobs in Missouri or Illinois constitute “the US Army?” Are you misled historically or deliberately inaccurate?
“One of his followers had smuggled in a gun, and he killed several of the attackers before they got him” Finally a statement closer to history. Perhaps you would argue that self defense is not a right of common law? While imprisoned awaiting trial, Smith was under state protection. How then was it that a mob was able to breach the walls of the prison? He should have simply allowed the mob to kill him and make no efforts to protect his person or the lives of his friends?
The only thing that really seems mysterious is how such a large portion of individuals in the United States can be so willfully misinformed. It is a damning commentary on our standard of education and intellectual curiosity that message boards such as these are less accurate than average Wikipedia articles.
Al
October 9th, 2011
11:25 am
Romney vs. Obama in Nov = Romney Presidency
Rest of field vs. Obama in Nov = Obama Presidency
Bootnewt
October 9th, 2011
1:27 pm
Jesus was accused of being a drunkard and a glutton…even he couldn’t be nominated by the GOP.
jh
October 9th, 2011
3:17 pm
As a Mormon, the GOP has driven me from their party. I am a Christian from a mainstream religion. I refuse to be part of a group where a large number of members hate me and my religion and say vile and hateful lies about me and my religiion.
Z
October 9th, 2011
3:18 pm
All religions are Cults. Religion can be and is a divider amongst the people. Most Wars are caused by religion, how can that be good? I’ll take Science and Nature over religion any day.
Andrew Burnett
October 9th, 2011
3:19 pm
The minister, Jeffress, attacked Romney on Friday. Romney can handle the attack. No big deal. But, the full story has NOT BEEN TOLD. Below is an excerpt from the minister and his opinion of Catholics, Jews, Muslims, gays, etc.
Someone needs to point out that this guy is a TOTAL RACIST AND A DANGEROUS BIGOT. If you do the proper research, you will easily see what I am talking about. Just Google his name and ‘Catholics’ or ‘Jews’ or ‘Muslims’. Then you will see that Mormons, in his eyes, are just the latest in a long list of “corrupt” people that are worth nothing.
*** HOW CAN ANYONE, LIKE PERRY, CALL THIS AWFUL MAN A CHRISTIAN? PERRY MUST RENOUNCE THIS PERSON. PERRY MUST KNOW THE TRUE CHARACTER OF THIS MAN ***
I am a republican. I am Christian. I am a father of three boys. I have been married for 30 years. Until Friday I was very pleased with Rick Perry. But I will not support him unless he renounces this bigot.
Read what this “man of god” wrote about Catholics, Jews, gays, Muslims.
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Jeffress: This is the Babylonian mystery religion that spread like a cult throughout the entire world. The high priests of that fake religion, that false religion, the high priests of that religion would wear crowns that resemble the heads of fish, that was in order to worship the fish god Dagon, and on those crowns were written the words, ‘Keeper of the Bridge,’ the bridge between Satan and man. That phrase ‘Keeper of the Bridge,’ the Roman equivalent of it is Pontifex Maximus. It was a title that was first carried by the Caesars and then the Emperors and finally by the Bishop of the Rome, Pontifex Maximus, the Keeper of the Bridge.
You can see where we’re going with this. It is that Babylonian mystery religion that infected the early church, one of the churches it infected was the church of Pergamos, which is one of the recipients of the Book of Revelation. And the early church was corrupted by this Babylonian mystery religion, and today the Roman Catholic Church is the result of that corruption.
Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesn’t come from God’s Word, it comes from that cult-like, pagan religion. Now you say, ‘pastor how can you say such a thing? That is such an indictment of the Catholic Church. After all the Catholic Church talks about God and the Bible and Jesus and the Blood of Christ and Salvation.’
Isn’t that the genius of Satan? If you want to counterfeit a dollar bill, you don’t do it with purple paper and red ink, you’re not going to fool anybody with that. But if you want to counterfeit money, what you do is make it look closely related to the real thing as possible.
And that’s what Satan does with counterfeit religion. He uses, he steals, he appropriates all of the symbols of true biblical Christianity, and he changes it just enough in order to cause people to miss eternal life.
Jeffress: I think part of the problem is we’re in this consumer mentality as a church where we have the idea that our job is to build as big of a church as we possible can. And if we get into that idea and fall into that trap, then we say then we can’t say anything that’s going to offend people, why, if we preach that homosexuality is an abomination to God we better not preach that because that’s going to offend the gays or people who know gay people, if we tell people what the Bible says that every other religion in the world is wrong: Islam is wrong, it is a heresy from the pit of Hell; Mormonism is wrong, it is a heresy from the pit of Hell; Judaism, you can’t be saved being a Jew, you know who said that by the way, the three greatest Jews in the New Testament, Peter, Paul, and Jesus Christ, they all said Judaism won’t do, it’s faith in Jesus Christ.
Bobby Lee Lane
October 9th, 2011
4:11 pm
I am interested in a candidates’ position on the issues not,his religious affiliation.Any one who would let his religion affect public policy would scare me.
Bootnewt
October 9th, 2011
4:36 pm
I’d hate to vote for anyone who believed they could hurry-up the Apocalypse by fomenting wars, enviromental degradation and possible nuclear annihilation.
Clinton "Skeet" Tyree
October 9th, 2011
4:45 pm
@td — Not that you’re really that concerned about facts, but Koch Industries has been involved in the energy business historically and a large segment of their business is oil trading and speculation.
Tom
October 9th, 2011
4:52 pm
This is a hilarious debate. A bunch of wackaloons disputing among themselves about whose beliefs are the craziest.
Maryssanderson
October 9th, 2011
5:02 pm
Look at the men—-Don’t pass up a Huntsman/Huckabee ticket–is this possible?
SMH
October 9th, 2011
5:06 pm
This is the biggest reason why I cannot support Republicans. Who cares if Romney is Mormon? Even if he was a devil-worshiper, I wouldn’t care. Republicans need to quit going off on these tangents and start trying to figure out how to help solve America’s problems.
TeachAManToFish
October 9th, 2011
5:16 pm
Conservative does not mean Christian. Signed a conservative atheist.
Just the facts
October 9th, 2011
5:28 pm
First, let me say that I do not make a person’s faith as a determining factor for whom I will vote. I don’t like Romney because he is (at best) a moderate Republican and will probably be too liberal for me. Second, most Christians have a lot in common with Mormons and consider them to be great people and friends. This is not about personal thoughts about people but about a belief system about God. Here is why Christians who look at LDS (Mormon) teachings are bothered by what they are:
1. The founder of the LDS church said that God told him all Christian churches are wrong, perverted by Satan and are leading people astray. Although his story about how this revelation occurred changed a few times, and he had a strong history of making up stories, the accusation stuck, and he condemned the Catholic and Protestant churches.
2. He produced the “Book of Mormon” and a few other “scriptures” after calling out letters and characters that God revealed to him in a bag with stones. They were transcribed by friends, and it was regarded as being a character-by-character transcription, although thousands of changes have been made since. (This is much different to how the Bible originated.) Christians believe in the Bible and to some degree tradition as the source of God’s guidance, not the various books produced by the LDS church. Their books contradict quite a bit of the Bible, and those books are given priority over the Bible in such contradictions.
3. Mormons are taught that God was once a man and they can (if well behaved enough and married in the temple) become like God in nature. The saying is, “As man is, God once was. As God is, man can become.” This is in direct opposition to not only the Christian faith, but Islam and Judaism, too. It is very fundamental.
4. Mormons believe that God is married and had spirit children – us – as literal children with his wife. He was married in another temple on another planet and was awarded Earth to rule because he was a “good mormon, too.” The same will be true for good mormoms. If they marry in the temple, they will be with their wife for eternity, given a planet of their own to populate, and then govern. Women cannot become gods in the same way. Sorry, ladies.
5. Jesus was the brother of Lucifer / Satan. He chose wisely, but Lucifer did not. They are of the same nature as we are though, and they share the same nature as each other. In fact, we all share the same nature as all of them. This is very different that what Christians believe about Jesus, Satan and God the father. It is common that Mormons use the same phrases about believing in Jesus, his sacrifice, his blood saving us, and going to heaven, but they mean very, very different things.
So, I am not bashing Mormons. We should test all beliefs, those of us who care enough to, and make good decisions about whether the source of these beliefs are trustworthy. It does not allow us though to hate anyone, act inappropriate towards anyone or be dishonest or turn away from friendships. Christ did not do this, and we should not either. Anyone who understands this will not be angry about LDS teachings, even though they may disagree and regard them as “non-Christian.” I have a lot of LDS friends and don’t think twice about it. Finally, the angry condemnations normally come from atheist who mock people with any faith, and I would encourage them to be kind to others, too, even if they do not believe there is any moral obligation to do so.
South Park
October 9th, 2011
6:12 pm
“Maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up. But I have a great life and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don’t care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the Church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that’s stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you’re so high and mighty you couldn’t look past my religion and just be my friend back. You’ve got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.”
td
October 9th, 2011
6:53 pm
jh
October 9th, 2011
3:17 pm
As a Mormon, the GOP has driven me from their party. I am a Christian from a mainstream religion. I refuse to be part of a group where a large number of members hate me and my religion and say vile and hateful lies about me and my religiion.
So you are trying to tell me that you would rather be part of a party that thinks all religions are cults and anyone that is religious is and idiot? You my friend had no intention of ever voting for a republican. I doubt you even know what Mormonism is.
td
October 9th, 2011
7:06 pm
Andrew Burnett
October 9th, 2011
3:19 pm
Do you my friend know what the protestant reformation was all about? This guy is not saying anything that has not been said for more than a thousand years about the Catholic church. Did you know the Catholics teaching say the same thing about protestants and Jews? You do realize there have been many wars fought over the difference in beliefs between the Protestants and the Catholics? You do realize the main reason for people to come to America was for religious freedom.
The real question is will this Pastor support Romney if he gets the nomination? Will he support a religion he does not agree with over secular humanism/ ungodly socialism? I bet he will support Romney.
Producer
October 9th, 2011
7:25 pm
Those who have nasty things to say about Mormons should know that the US Armed Services, law enforcement and intel agencies fall all over themselves to recruit Mormons to their ranks. They are overwhelmingly of good character and have little in their backgrounds to knock themselves out of contention for a clearance. I’ll work with or consider voting for one any time!
mom3boys
October 9th, 2011
7:50 pm
There have always been areas of the LDS faith that I have had issue with (the holy underwear, being sealed for time,vs being sealed for eternity) to name two. However, I will vote for whoever the GOP puts on the ballot. For 2012 it’s ABO: anyone but O’bama.
IMHO
October 9th, 2011
8:27 pm
I won’t be voting for Mitt cause he’s a Mormon! I cannot vote for someone who believes in wearing Jesus jammas and thinks he can become a God when he dies anymore than I can vote for a man who thinks he’s going to get 72 virgins when he dies.
Jackie
October 9th, 2011
8:28 pm
It seems that the lefites are much, much more interested in Romney’s faith than the republicans are. Once again, Jim is just full of it, peddling a lie that no one but the democrats will buy.
The democrats sure do seem to be full of a lot of hate though.
Just the facts
October 9th, 2011
8:34 pm
I completely agree that Democrats work very hard to divide people. There is not a strong debate within the Republican party about Mormonism. That is just a hopeful wish on the part of liberals that the conservative and rational movement will implode. Dream on, guys, dream on. 2012 will not be here soon enough.
Plain Truther
October 9th, 2011
8:36 pm
My Jesus can beat up your Jesus.
Matt
October 9th, 2011
10:30 pm
I’m tired of having politicians, journalists, and pastors tell the rest of the world what I believe. I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (nickname: Mormon Church). I believe in God the Eternal Father, Christ His Perfect Son, and in the Holy Ghost. I believe that Christ came to earth, lived a perfect life, suffered and died for me and all man-kind, and was resurrected. I believe in the Holy Bible; it is beautiful and inspired and the word of God. It has brought me closer to my Savior. For the same reason I believe that the Book of Mormon is also the word of God. It has also brought me closer to my Savior. I’m not sure what the political definition of a Christian is, or what definition these pastors are refering to, but if I’m not mistaken, a Christian is someone who believes in Christ and does his very best to follow His teachings. Thats what I do, so, call me what you will.
Philip2
October 10th, 2011
5:04 pm
People should educate themselves about Mormonism and the Church of Latter Day Saints before they decide on this issue. The media won’t do it for you. Go to exmormon.org to get the other side and make up your own mind.
Philip2
October 10th, 2011
5:14 pm
Veronica M Reimann
October 8th, 2011 7:23 pm
I am married to a LDS man No I have not joined the LDS church, But yes they are devote christians…
I have had direct and regular involvement with the church and you are right, Veronica, that the people are Christians.
However, the Church itself is most definitely NOT a Christian Church, no more than a Church founded on a reflection of the Virgin Mary on the side of a cow barn and so created a book of cow scriptures to govern their parishioners.
LDS has tried to bury a lot of the nasty bigotry, factual errors and shady history of Joseph Smith, and they rely heavily on the sheer ignorance of the majority of their followers (not the wealthy leaders, of course), but anyone who wants to research the church can discover that it is a church based on scams and lies.
And its power structure continues a lot of that scamming and lying tradition with it to this day.
The people are good, admirable Christians. The church and the very, very wealthy leadership which created, sustained and feeds off of it to this day are total frauds.
Tom
October 10th, 2011
8:33 pm
Man, I love this story: a bunch of whackjobs disputing with each other about whose fairy tales are the craziest! Pure comedy gold!