Feds consider challenge to Georgia’s illegal immigration law

Just up at the Washington Post website:

The Obama administration is escalating its crackdown on tough immigration laws, with lawyers reviewing four new state statutes to determine whether the federal government will take the extraordinary step of challenging the measures in court.

Justice Department attorneys have sued Arizona and Alabama, where a federal judge on Wednesday allowed key parts of that state’s immigration law to take effect but blocked other provisions.

Federal lawyers are talking to Utah officials about a third possible lawsuit and are considering legal challenges in Georgia, Indiana and South Carolina, according to court documents and government officials.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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Bootnewt

September 29th, 2011
1:21 pm

Create a separate law for carpet-bagging politicians….

Jackie

September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm

Maybe the Obama administration should consider a suit to force itself to follow the laws passed by Congress instead of picking and choosing how to obey the law themselves. Maybe if Obama and the feds would follow the law, there would not be a need for state level immigration laws. It’s deeply dishonest for Obama to argue on on hand that this is a federal matter and on the other hand openly admit that his administration won’t enforce the laws on the books.

yeah

September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm

Sue us in 2011, lose the State in 2012! Go ahead, make my day!

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

September 29th, 2011
1:44 pm

Allow me to translate the following words

“Feds consider challenge to immigration laws”….

TRANSLATION: Obama desperately needs the hispanic vote to survive..

JV

September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm

Right on spot Jackie. The Obamaites need to understand why the states are passing these laws. The data is there but they are not understanding it. Don’t care to understand I suspect. Examples:

According to a 2010 cost study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the estimated annual total of the costs related to illegal immigration that taxpayers must bear on the federal, state and local levels in $113 BILLION. Of that, $84 BILLION at state and local levels. This breaks down to approximately $1,000 per tax-paying American household. An average 27 percent of this dollar figure has to do with the administration of justice, while 16 percent are public assistance expenditures. Twenty-one percent go to medical care and an estimated seven percent support education.

Undocumented workers received refundable tax credits totaling $4.2 billion in 2010, a dramatic rise from less than $1 billion in 2005, according to a September 1, 2011 report by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. At issue is use of a tax break based on earned income called the additional child tax credit, which taxpayers can claim to reduce their taxes owed, sometimes gaining them a check from Uncle Sam if their tax obligation goes below zero. The report states that the payment of federal funds through this tax benefit appears to provide an additional incentive for aliens to enter, reside and work in the United States without authorization, which contradicts federal law and policy.

Democratic Plantation Dweller

September 29th, 2011
1:57 pm

Obama be doing a wonderful job!

Centrist

September 29th, 2011
1:59 pm

Great example of this leftist blog tilt – no mention about how a federal judge gave a “Key Win for Alabama Immigrant Law” yesterday, and their anti-ILLEGAL immigration law is tougher than Georgia’s:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204226204576599012968434494.html

John D

September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm

JV you are totally clueless just as FAIR is. FAIR is nothing more than a propaganda machine just like Fox. Numbers that are relevant are “real” numbers and not those made up by Republicans and their consituents because most of the things they say are totally false. Just ask Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. Homeland security’s border patrol already put out numbers that showed that illegal border crossing has significantly dropped over the past 5 years and it being its lowest it has ever been past 2 years. So please spare me that B.S.

The KKK justified their doing with the Bible so I don’t see no difference here. If you are really concerned about our debt maybe you should question the trillions that are being spent on a War that has no purpose and killed many of American Citizens, you should be mad at the financial institutions that brought this system down, you should be mad at the super rich that refuse to pay taxes like regular citizens because they fail to realize that they made their billions by using American resources to get there, they use our roads, our buildings, education provided by American infrastructure but yet they feel that they don’t have to give back. You should be mad at these countless corporations that send OUR jobs overseas and not these jobs that illegals “supposedly” take from citizens (I don’t pick strawberries or work on poultry farms). I have education and qualify for much more than that. But yet those jobs go to India, Philippines, etc. You should be mad at all the manufacturers that take their business to China, Korea, Taiwan. You should be mad that the education system sucks and we can’t get enough people qualified to work in certain jobs that are major for our country.

Did you know that we can’t even manufacture Kindles or iPads in the U.S. because we are simply not qualified to produce this stuff here simply because we have been outsourcing it for so long that they got so much better at it and we don’t even know where to begin.

So if you want to be mad be mad at this first. But I understand it is easier to pick on the small problems because the big ones are much harder to deal with.

Centrist

September 29th, 2011
2:10 pm

It has become way too expensive to buy undocumented Democrat votes. In addition to the welfare, SSI, WIC, housing, taxpayer supported free hospital care, schooling with free breakfast and lunch, and crime – according to the U.S. Treasury Department, illegal aliens are bilking the federal government for billions because they are filing fraudulent returns.

The Treasury reported in July that the Internal Revenue Service coughed up $4.2 billion in child tax credits for illegal aliens in 2010 rocketed from $924 million in 2005. ILLEGALS are fraudulently using the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC), which was created to give more money to taxpayers who cannot claim a full tax credit for children.

Because all wages, even those earned illegally, are taxed, but since illegals cannot get valid Social Security numbers, the government needs a way to track their income and collect what is due. It does so using individual taxpayer identification numbers (ITINs), which, again, are for those taxpayers who cannot obtain a Social Security card. The refund credit can be claimed even even if no income tax was withheld or paid, up to $1,000 per child. An estimated additional $1.8 billion was going to illegals via the Earned Income Tax Credit, for which they are also ineligible because it can be claimed only by taxpayers with Social Security numbers.

The report concluded that “[t]he payment of Federal funds through this tax benefit appears to provide an additional incentive for aliens to enter, reside, and work in the United States without authorization, which contradicts Federal law and policy to remove such incentives.”

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2011reports/201141061fr.html

Chuck

September 29th, 2011
2:11 pm

From what I can gather, the feds are saying that states can’t enforce these laws because the federal government is responsible for enforcing immigration laws…but they aren’t enforcing federal laws consistently. I fully support Georgia, Alabama, Utah, etc for trying to get a handle on the economic drain this causes. I still support Obama (mainly due to the alternative) but I think this is a bad move on his part that sure looks like pandering to the Hispanic vote.

Ol' Timer

September 29th, 2011
2:23 pm

There’s sure some weird dudes camping out under the tent of the Tea Party.

They were roaming around looking for a home and finally found it. Unfortunately, the weird group has gotten so weird that they’re about to fall of the cliff.

And, you know it’s gone to an extreme when Roger Ailes starts trying to pull his network and the Republican Party back from the brink.

John

September 29th, 2011
2:27 pm

Just wait till some move into a neighborhood near you and watch how fast it goes downhill from there.

Travis McGee

September 29th, 2011
2:27 pm

“Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.” — Frank Dane

honested

September 29th, 2011
2:31 pm

If all levels of Georgia Law Enforcement would just arrest the major and minor EMPLOYERS and make sure the TV cameras are handy for the perp-walk, then follow through with rigorous prosecutions this problem would solve itself.
I can’t blame anyone for attempting to improve their life and while the illegals are definitely breaking the law. That said, the EMPLOYERS have known the rules for many years and should be following the LAW! By providing the demand and the funding, they are creating the problem.
I’m sure after they are in prison, their factories, farms and personal assets can be auctioned off to responsible Citizens who will follow the law!

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
2:32 pm

While we’re at it let’s crackdown on all the LEGALS that are bilking the government by sitting on their butts drawing unemployment.

Sure, many Americans are actually trying to find work, but far more aren’t trying and that $$ figure costs the taxpayer more than illegals ever will. We all know it.

Illegals are a problem, but mainly a scapegoat.

honested

September 29th, 2011
2:33 pm

Ol Timer

I guess it speaks volumes when a network that has positioned itself to attract the lowest common denominator realizes what a dangerous denominator it has spawned!

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
2:36 pm

If all the legals were rounded up and sent home tomorrow, who would be left to blame for our problems. Until the Hispanics came in the whites only had the blacks to complain about.

Fed-up

September 29th, 2011
2:37 pm

What about all of the LEGALS coming here? They get Social Security, Medicaid, Food stamps. pocket money, cell phones and transportation cards. Why won ‘t they stop this nonsense? If an organization wants to bring them, let them take care of them and not my money!

honested

September 29th, 2011
2:37 pm

centrist

‘It has become way to expensive to buy undocumented Democrat votes’?

Huh

Where in this country is it that the ‘undocumented’ vote for either party.

Another hollow homily from the imaginary center.

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
2:41 pm

I’ve invented a time machine. Just replace “Hispanic” with “blacks” (or worse) in any rant you hear or read and you just went back 50 years.

I wonder who we’ll blame in 2061 (if we aren’t all speaking Chinese).

Limey

September 29th, 2011
2:46 pm

Don’t the Feds have anything more important to do, like enforce their own immigration laws! If they did, states would not be forced into this situation.

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
2:50 pm

honested and Ol’ timer – Please define “weird dudes” and “lowest common denominator”.

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
2:52 pm

It’s the high wage non-Americans that are here with our consent that is our biggest threat. Educated in our schools and business only to go home and develop businesses that compete with US companies. They ultimately win because they have cheaper labor back home. In the meantime, our cheap labor (our only hope) is being run back to Mexico.

Everyone who complains about illegals, spends their next breath complaining about losing jobs overseas. Our labor market has priced itself out of business. We’re dealing with a global economy. We need to be out looking for cheaper labor, not running it off.

Charles

September 29th, 2011
2:56 pm

Not enforcing our immigration laws and then trying to force states to do the same sound like treason to me.

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
2:58 pm

Clear Thinkin Man – What are our “Clear” thoughts on solutions or do you think this is only racial? Are illegals illegal or not? Or do you think this is all just a very petty issue and we should just turn our heads?

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
2:58 pm

*your “Clear” thoughts

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
3:00 pm

Businesses ultimately migrate where labor is the cheapest. We’re doing all we can in making foreign countries more attractive for American businesses. By all means, run all the cheap labor off and make China stronger!

Centrist

September 29th, 2011
3:01 pm

honested posted – “Where in this country is it that the undocumented vote”

Let’s pretend ACORN (and other such groups) don’t exist to register ILLEGAL aliens.

Did you see the part of the above U.S. Treasury report: An estimated additional $1.8 billion was going to illegals via the Earned Income Tax Credit, for which they are also ineligible because it can be claimed only by taxpayers with Social Security numbers? That means they have the necessary fake ID to also vote.

Voting for future

September 29th, 2011
3:04 pm

Hate to tell the Obama administration but the hispanics who came over here the right way and paid their dues to be here are not in favor of allowing illegals to something they had to work for. The ones that came the right way and worked hard are the new voters. So, his plan just might backfire on him.

Lets hear from the US citizens of hispanic decent and the hispanics who came over the right and legal way. Am I right or wrong on this. From what I see, I am very very right.

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
3:09 pm

Clear – Needing labor I agree, but running them off is not the intention, getting them here legally through a controlled system is needed. They are more than welcomed if done legally.Your thoughts Clear?

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
3:11 pm

Your right “ordinary American”, illegals are illegal. But I do think the path to citizenship is very cumbersome and expensive (like most government processes) and therefor only the ones who can afford it need to apply. That’s the catch.

I don’t think all who make the argument against iilegals are motivated by racial bias. But, unfortunately, many are. Can’t help but think that if it were Canadians streaming over the borders that anyone would be very upset about it.

These folks are working and filling positions that the average low income American is just not going to perform. It’s a very serious issue.

Ashley

September 29th, 2011
3:14 pm

Within the last hour I applied for part-time work, the application process was very, very, thorough. For instance backgound check about high-school and college, felony conviction, am I legal and can I prove it. Felt like I was applying for a job with the FBI or CIA (it was neither) just a part-time job in retail. My question how do illegals get around this ? Social Security card and proper I.D. seem to elude them but yet are required for employment. Of course fraud plays into this, but I just wonder if these background check are really on the up and up. I think my chance of getting a job was probably better had I been illegal or lied through my teeth. Better yet do most of these retail stores have the resources to check on every potential employees background or work history and how do they route out fraud?

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
3:15 pm

I think you’re right “ordinary American”. I also think most all illegals would love to be documented citizens but cannot entertain the idea until they can afford the cost involved. Catch 22

seabeau

September 29th, 2011
3:19 pm

Stop all immigration!!

Georgia Values

September 29th, 2011
3:21 pm

So the feds sued Alabama, and we passed HB87 long before Alabama passed theirs. Wonder whats taking so long? Bring it on.

joe

September 29th, 2011
3:22 pm

If the damn Fed would enforce the immigration laws we already have, then states would not have to issue their own laws. Our Fed is the most bassackwards government in the entire history of the world…

JV

September 29th, 2011
3:27 pm

John D. I guess the U.S. Treasury Inspector General is clueless like me and FAIR. And Centrist also. Not sure how rantings about the KKK are revelant. Even a Tree Hugging Clean Air Pure Water Sensitivity Trained Social Engineering Ulra Liberal ought to be able to figure out that social welfare handouts are NOT very productive.

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
3:28 pm

Clear – The illegals seem to be not very incumbered by filing tax refunds or applying for welfare programs or forging fake documents starting businesses, etc.. I think they could handle applying legally. Maybe a few non-essential government workers could be shifted to this area to speed up the process.

I think if you have the same numbers from the southern border coming from the north, yes people would be just as upset.

You are right on the willingness of our own to take low income jobs, but we know what the conditions are our southern neighbors are living. But once they are here legally, assimilation must be expected.

DwayneL

September 29th, 2011
3:29 pm

Dammit, the states need to enforce our immigration laws since the fed won’t do it. We’re being overrun by illegal aliens and they need to be rounded up and deported!!!!

Clear Thinkin Man

September 29th, 2011
3:29 pm

Ordinary – you don’t strike me as one of those who want illegals out of the country. I think that you are sincere when you say you simply want them here in a documented in a legal and controlled manner.
But don’t you think that most are wanting them out of the country?

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
3:43 pm

Clear – on the costs I have an idea. Issue the “green card” and do a payroll deduction to reimburse for fees. Employers in some cases I understand may pick up part or all of this expense for these folks. Government likes to give tax deductions as incentives, so make paying these fees tax deductible. Just a thought, not sure how “clear” though.

Ordinary American

September 29th, 2011
3:55 pm

Clear – No I don’t think they do, it’s only the illegal part. I’m not really sure who you are talking about wanting them out of the country. We’ve seen how hard most of them work, but now we see the system being taken advantage of by the illegals and certain businesses. You will always have those that will have problems with just race on some level.

No KoolAid

September 29th, 2011
4:02 pm

All I can say is it’s FINALLY as it’s “About Time” the federal government stepped in. Had Georgia and Alabama had their way we would still have segregation. Few people really understand the issues with immigration. Those who spout “their illegal” “deport ‘em all” are parroting rhetoric, some of which comes from those who are MAKING MONEY with these laws.

Ronnie Raygun

September 29th, 2011
4:08 pm

Gotta love the Cons whining about Obama’s administration not deporting illegals when the FACT is the his adminisration has already deported MORE illegals in less than 3 years than Bush did in 8 years. But I guess these Teabags would rather froth at the mouth than educate themselves before they go spouting off and making fools of themselves.

A question for all

September 29th, 2011
4:26 pm

I wonder how many US born citizens have actually taken the time to see what the process and qualifictions are for becoming legal and how the vast majority of those that want to be here legally will never qualify. I know a handful of people who have been through th process, legally, and they were only able to do so because one came from Columbia and needed asylum, two married US citizens (for the traditional reasons, not citizenship), and one was lucky enough to have a family member sponsor him. I have had many illegals tell me that they want to do it the right way, but many times they might even be forced to leave the country, on their dime, while their preliminary applications are filed. For up to two years. Who can afford that?

OG

September 29th, 2011
4:28 pm

I’m with John D on most of what he stated. if in all honesty we want to bring our economy back up to new peaks, we are going to have to begin all working for that cause, but on the same roadmap. let’s make sure we give business to all of those shops, stores, retailers, companies, industries, etc. that have their business here. those that manufacture, produce, and return capitol back to the u.s. i know that when most think of the title “illegal immigrants” we think of horrible human beings that come to steal our jobs, our tax returns, welfare, and etc. but guess what else they’re doing? they’re trying to use that money to invest it back to the u.s. i’m 99 percent certain, if we would give residency to the good natured people whose only crime is illegaly crossing over a border, these people would buy homes, buy land, buy cars, create businesses. i understand that there are a lot of people out there struggling without jobs, but can someone one tell me why everytime my father hires a u.s. citizen (doing the legal thing) to work hard manual labor, only one out of twenty will last over a month, only to later quit as well, while being paid an above minimum wage salary? i guess its easier to collect a $200.00 unemployment check for your alcohol and drugs.

Wally

September 29th, 2011
4:43 pm

I am telling you now, the illegal criminals will be the death to us all. They are stealing from us,breaking all kinds of laws,filling up the jails,using all the goverment programs that are available, and now they are gonna control who is elected in this country. Just look at the way most of them,politicians dance around the illegal situation,with the exception of Mitt Romney. Better wise up Folks, before it is too late.

Wally

September 29th, 2011
4:49 pm

•In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
•There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
•80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
•Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
•In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
•At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
•56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
•Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
•Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
•Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year — a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
•Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
•There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
•Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
•Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
•In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
•Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
•The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
•The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.
Still think illegal immigration is a “victimless crime” and we don’t need to control our borders? Remember, about 60% of the crimes being committed are by illegal aliens who were previously deported.

SuperGeorge

September 29th, 2011
5:17 pm

Clear Man
You do not have clear that products from China are cheap labor and many jobs went to China.
If you do not like this system do not buy products from China and tacos from Mexican restaurants.
Think that most fruit and vegetables are done with illegal immigration also.. so…
What are you going to eat?

Mr. Obama did promise “high priority to immigration reform his first year of government” got the Latin votes and after two years and having a Democratic Congress doing nothing in this issue his promise was broken….
So all those Latin legal votes are not happy and probably are not going republican either, so this will be less people voting and going to a “do not care” democratic system and thats not good.

States try to do something without real studies risking more and ore racial problems.

And of course in Washington DC do not understand the “status quo” is bad and everyday worse

GA Dawg

September 29th, 2011
5:21 pm

hey Wally, care to share with us all where you got all those wonderful statistics?