Crosstabs on a T-SPLOST poll, and the tea parties organize

There’s evidence that a shift in attitude toward transit among metro Atlanta voters, including in counties such as Gwinnett and Cobb that traditionally oppose MARTA, could be pivotal to the passage of next year’s transportation sales tax referendum.

That’s according to a new poll of 625 registered voters in the 10-county metro region that Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc. conducted for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Channel 2 Action News.

Click here for many of the details, and here for the wording of the questions. You want crosstabs? We’ve got ‘em here:

In the meantime, in an e-mail distributed this afternoon, tea party opponents outlined the organization of their effort to block passage of the transportation sales tax in 2012:

Atlanta Tea Party will focus on defeating the Metro-Atlanta T-SPLOST and Georgia Tea Party Patriots will be there to assist tea parties in other regions. We have formed a Tea Party T-SPLOST Task Force Coalition with Bob Frey as the main contact. If your tea party or group would like to join us in the effort to defeat T-SPLOST next year please contact Bob Frey at bobfrey@bellsouth.net or [phone number redacted at his request].

If you would like to volunteer to head up the effort in your region/ county, please let Bob know as well. We are bringing up a new web site within two weeks that is dedicated to defeating T-SPLOST in 2012.

Atlanta Tea Party is forming a PAC to defeat T-SPLOST as well. If you would like to donate money or resources to help us stop T-SPLOST, please let us know.

We will schedule a meeting in October for the Metro-Atlanta Region, so be sure to contact Bob if you want to be included.

We are disappointed that some GOP legislators are actively promoting the T-SPLOST, which will be the largest tax increase in Georgia history if it passes all regions. The T-SPLOST also creates a regional mass transit entity that will oversee mass transit in each region, instead of leaving that to the counties. The T-SPLOST will take local control over transportation projects from counties and give it to a region.

The Metro Atlanta T-SPLOST is just an expansion of MARTA in counties that have already voted it down years ago. 85% of the tax dollars will go in a regional “pot” that is distributed to projects for the good of the region….

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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75 comments Add your comment

td

September 26th, 2011
4:58 pm

Come on Jim, This poll has no validity because Dems outnumber Republicans in the sample in Georgia.

statistics 101

September 26th, 2011
5:03 pm

The poll sample doesn’t have to mirror the population. The sample has to be random, and weighted appropriately, but just because the sample doesn’t exactly match up with the population is not an indicator that the poll is inaccurate.

findog

September 26th, 2011
5:08 pm

As Nancy would offer, “Just say NO”
Something that td and I can agree on wholeheartedly

Eric

September 26th, 2011
5:10 pm

I think the question is: Does the Tea Party have enough clout to stop what Georgia Republicans want? If GA Repubs didnt want this, they wouldn’t have tried to change the date of the vote. It will certainly be interesting to see how this turns out!

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
5:12 pm

I love it when Democrats use push polls, and look so stupid when the results are so different.

When the voters start hearing/listening about HOW their 1% added tax is to be spent instead of simply asking them if they want to improve our transportation problems – the polls will dramatically shift no matter how the question is asked.

Gabriel Sterling

September 26th, 2011
5:23 pm

It TREMENDOUSLY over samples Democrats. It is in no way reflective of the voting population that will be coming out in the General Primary in the Metro area. If I were WSB and the AJC, I would demand my money back. Polling 259 Democrats versus 179 Republicans is just laughable, especially considering where the primaries will be going on locally.

honested

September 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

Oh horrors, we would never want to offend the tea pottys!!

They have proven their effectiveness at accomplishing NOTHING so clearly.

sintrist

September 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

I love it anytime I can degrade the democrats.Obama or any black.I’m not racist or prejudice I’m a sintris, middle road guy.

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
5:40 pm

@ sintrist – this is a left wing blog, so it is naturally debated from the right by those few here in the middle. Point me to a local right wing blog supporting only Republican ideals like a Christian theocracy (Perry), or pro-life candidates (the Republican field), no change in the tax system for the TRULY wealthy – and I will gladly debate them from the left.

In the meantime, I will engage Galloway and his fellow Democrat partisans.

DannyX

September 26th, 2011
5:40 pm

So let me get this straight, Republicans here are upset that the AJC is strongly supporting the REPUBLICAN transportation plan?????

YOUR OWN Republican leaders are also on the side of the Democrats??????

Republicans are absolutely psycho.

B. Thenet

September 26th, 2011
5:48 pm

I am not suprised with the changing tides in Cobb and Gwinnett on this issue, as more businesses and commuters have moved to those regions…more pressure has been built to improve the current sad state of Metro Atlanta mass transit.

Regarding the Tea Party email, Is a one percent sales tax increase really the biggest tax increase in Georgia history? That certainly cannot be an accurate statement.

Jacquineequa

September 26th, 2011
5:50 pm

They didn’t poll me. This sounds like a desperation move, release a poll purporting that most people favor the T-SPLOST to try to build some momentum for it. Pathetic.

superDawg

September 26th, 2011
5:50 pm

If the Republicans are psyco then you liberal goon demOcrats are DOWN RIGHT RETARDED!

superDawg

September 26th, 2011
5:51 pm

drink more tea.

Shame of Georgia

September 26th, 2011
5:53 pm

I wonder where was the teaparty ding Bush days these people are psycho and racist.

I hope Georgia wake up and see were the teaparty is trying to divide this country.

superDawg

September 26th, 2011
5:53 pm

NUFF SAID!!!!

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:06 pm

Go Cobb County Go. Don’t fight for not having rail transit outside I-285. Instead fight for nothing at all so your taxes will remain low. I just love hearing about y’all during traffic reports during rush hour that is now becoming rush day.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:13 pm

Thanks superDawg. You really stuck it those Dems with the retarded remark. Most psycos hurt others for no reason, while most retards hurt themselves for no reason. Psycos go to jail while retards get help at Charter.

saywhat

September 26th, 2011
6:16 pm

This poll is meaningless. Why?

It’s a poll of REGISTERED voters rather than LIKELY voters. The referendum is during primary season — a season in which hardly any metro-Atlanta Democrats face primary challenges. Meanwhile, Perry and Romney will likely still be at it in the primaries. Bottom line: Expect unusually high R turnout and unusually low D turnout, which does not bode well for the fate of TSPLOST.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:16 pm

Do they plan to make Campcreek Parkway inside I-285, or the entrance ramps to the airport a toll road?

DannyX

September 26th, 2011
6:19 pm

“then you liberal goon demOcrats are DOWN RIGHT RETARDED!” Really? Lets do the math.

Georgia Republicans.

Responsible for the Transportation tax that Republicans hate.
Responsible for the Ga 400 toll extension.
Responsible for the incompetent DOT.
Responsible for the toll lane proposal.
Responsible for state subsidized GRTA

If Republicans ever get their hands on MARTA they will ruin it. Same with Jackson International airport, the state would ruin the worlds busiest airport if given the chance.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:21 pm

Meaningless poll is right. Dems could care less if Cobb and Gwinnett choke on their pollution and sit in traffic for hours on end. Dems know the Cons hate EPA and love paying Arabs their hard earned money rather than taxes.

sintrist

September 26th, 2011
6:25 pm

Explain why this is a left wing blog.Only in you prejudiced mind.You jump at Jim and AJC when they are quoting or referencing a story from other news.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:26 pm

DannyX. Cons do not hold themselves responsible for their actions because they do not recognize their actions. By the way…Please replace the words Republicans with Dixiecrat. We must not confuse our southern Cons with people like Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt or Lord forbid Robert Brooke.

td

September 26th, 2011
6:27 pm

DannyX

September 26th, 2011
5:40 pm

They are not Republicans. The are RINO’s and the Georgia party is full of RINO’s. Give us some time and we will root all of them out and your statement will be true.

td

September 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

Shame of Georgia

September 26th, 2011
5:53 pm

Sorry but the Tea party is not trying to divide but instead save the country before we go bankrupt. You libs need to wake up and come on board.

The Centrist

September 26th, 2011
6:30 pm

sintrist. Welcome to Bizarro land. You haven’t seen nothing yet. Just wait until you see the elementary one-line talking points of one group and the college disertions on the same subject by another!

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:34 pm

This country is nowhere close to being bankrupt. Not when the Koch Brothers can underwrite Dick Armey’s Tea Party to the tune of $300 million for the GOP primary. That is more than the difference in the latest smoke-and-mirrors budget debate!

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
6:37 pm

sintrist posted “Explain why this is a left wing blog.”

Seriously?

Are you trying to say/pretend this is either a neutral or right wing blog? Have you followed this blog and articles written by Galloway (and the other AJC reporters)? Do you believe/pretend the AJC is now balanced? Have you read (likely agreed with) the editorials?

GaBlue

September 26th, 2011
6:38 pm

Will this Pekoe-Head focus PAC be calling my house, asking me for money while reading a script full of LIES like the friggin’ NRA is doing this month?

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:39 pm

Funny td. I quite believing Dick Armey (Tea Party) when he voted against the Dems’ Pay-As-You-Go, and instead wanted a “Constitutional Amendment” for a balanced budget. One was a fast track and the other is darn near impossible. Now the Cons want to reduce spending on R&D on alternative energy to pay for disaster relief, and the Dems cry presidence. Did I miss something?

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:43 pm

Funny that GaBlue mentioned the NRA. Can you imagine persons of color or recognized Jews walking down the streets of Kennesaw with AK-47’s, and citizens of Cobb County cheering them on about Second Amendment Rights?

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:45 pm

td…We both know there is no difference between a Southern Conservative, RINO, Old School Yellow Dog Democrat, and a Dixiecrat. Their voting patterns are the same.

GaBlue

September 26th, 2011
6:48 pm

Smoke,

Hahaha! That image is both funny and terrifying. Yes, they’re blanketing the region. Called my house four times before I finally answered. Had to set the nice young man (hourly worker) straight about the lies in his script, bless his heart, and explain to him that Democratic voters are packin’ too. Good Lord, we’d be crazy not to in this age of violent wingnuts! Poor kid.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:55 pm

Does anyone remember George Soros? Does anyone recognize that the Cons refuse to mention the name Koch? Two-to-one just ain’t fair, especially since the Cons are steadfast in giving Soro a tax break, and the Koch Brothers are paying their tax break dollars to keep. Did I miss something?

Jackie

September 26th, 2011
6:56 pm

This poll undercuts the basic message of hate and bigotry that the lefities have been pushing that the suburban counties are some how racist and anti progress. What is very clear is that the outer counties are very open to a cooperative effort on transportation. When the voters focus on the acutal projects then the support will evaporate.

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
6:57 pm

@ GaBlue – I laughed at Gallup when I finally answered having previously ignored the caller ID. The guy insisted that I answer his few questions which I refused to even hear. I kept telling him to wait until I voted, and that my opinions were just that – MINE. (I still laugh at giving an exit pollster the exact opposite folks I voted for). Polling is more of an art than a science – especially when Republicans, special interest groups, Democrats, media outlets, and polling firms push poll to skew the results they want to offer up as +/- a few points.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
6:59 pm

I laugh everytime I sign a large hunting grounds agreement with some Cons who cannot individually afford to buy enough property to fully utilize their second amendment rights.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
7:03 pm

Hey Namesake. Track over the next 12-months who calls you, and what they say.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
7:06 pm

I’m a pompous idiot. But then being a liberal Democrat, that is redundant.

Smoke

September 26th, 2011
7:19 pm

Jackie. Welcome to Bizarro World and you wonder why there is the undertone? Surburan counties have historically never been open to cooperating on the issue of transportation because instead of working on MARTA they have instead choked in traffic as over the decades as white residents fled to the suburbs and blame the City of Atlanta for every ill known to man,

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
7:19 pm

This and all the other management screw-ups won’t help the T-SPLOST:

MARTA chief: $2.3B in maintenance needs

System to face shortfall even if next year’s transportation referendum passes.

http://www.ajc.com/news/marta-chief-warns-of-1189259.html

lem

September 26th, 2011
7:26 pm

If the tea baggers have their way, we will soon be a third world country with crumbling infrastructure, falling down schools, polluted air and water, unsafe food, not enough cops and fire fighters to keep us safe, sick and poor elderly, people dying because they have no health care, and the list goes on and on.

DannyX

September 26th, 2011
7:26 pm

“This and all the other management screw-ups won’t help the T-SPLOST:”

Explain exactly how the maintenance requirements are a screw-up.

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
7:38 pm

MARTA is a cronyism black hole filled with layered, incompetent managers. Not budgeting for maintenance is just a small example of the ineptitude. Voters OTP are simply not going to let their tax dollars be diverted to this crooked mess named MARTA.

td

September 26th, 2011
7:42 pm

lem

September 26th, 2011
7:26 pm

Now that is funny. I do not know any Republican that wants people to die, roads to be in disrepair, no cops ect. Republicans want to reduce government to only cover the essentials and the lowest possible cost. Liberals want to the government to take care of people from birth to grave. Libs believe that they give you the chance to get money to provide for the governments needs.

td

September 26th, 2011
7:45 pm

This and all the other management screw-ups won’t help the T-SPLOST:

MARTA chief: $2.3B in maintenance needs

System to face shortfall even if next year’s transportation referendum passes.

And you dems actually wonder why we do not want MARTA to come to the suburbs.

DannyX

September 26th, 2011
7:52 pm

“Not budgeting for maintenance is just a small example of the ineptitude.”

Where does it say maintenance wasn’t budgeted for? The article brought up problems with maintenance because of their funding formula which the state has so far refused to cooperate on. You also can’t really say how MARTA is mismanaged can you Centrist? In fact MARTA ranks high on most national surveys. MARTA could use some of the same help that the state gives the suburban GRTA system.

Even the state of Texas with Perry in charge helped their big cities with major transportation projects, here there is nothing but confrontation.

The Republican transportation tax plan doesn’t fund any operations or maintenance. How do you suppose the Republicans plan on paying for things?

DannyX

September 26th, 2011
7:57 pm

“MARTA is a cronyism black hole filled with layered, incompetent managers.”

Wow really? Do they get things like 2 million dollar signature loans that don’t need to be paid back?

Centrist

September 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

DannyX posted “Do they get things like 2 million dollar signature loans that don’t need to be paid back?”

End of our conversation. You are simply a liar referring to a loan backed by real estate and settled with possibly something more.