Phil Gingrey: House GOP leadership ‘is not infallible’

So you know that Washington is staggering, zombie-like, toward another government shutdown today, as House Republicans – in late night session – approved a funding bill to keep the federal machine running.

Senate Democrats have vowed to reject it.

The House action, taken at 12:50 a.m. today, was virtually identical to the one that failed Wednesday – the product of some furious vote-whipping by House GOP leaders.

My AJC colleague Daniel Malloy in Washington points out that no Georgians were among the 23 Republicans to flip their votes and back the bill – despite the pressure of a closed GOP caucus meeting.

Malloy points to a few paragraphs at Politico.com that recount the reaction of Phil Gingrey, one of four no votes from Georgia, to the arm-twisting:

Not all was so peaceful, as seen in this sometimes comical exchange — described by several Republicans in the meeting — between Reps. Phil Gingrey of Georgia and Virginia Foxx of North Carolina.

At one point, the outspoken Gingrey stood up and defended his “no” vote, and then when Foxx defended Boehner, Gingrey yelled out, ‘The leadership is not infallible!’”

Foxx countered. “I don’t think anyone is infallible, Phil, not even including the pope. And I’m Catholic.”

Also voting no were Paul Broun of Athens, Tom Graves of Ranger and Lynn Westmoreland of Coweta County.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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101 comments Add your comment

Sandra

September 23rd, 2011
12:31 pm

All of Georgia’s representatives are pretty much idiots.

Independent voter

September 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm

Sandra that why the Georgia residents need to vote them out of the office.

MrLiberty

September 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

How could they be, they have no principles upon which they act, vote, etc. Ron Paul is the only congressman with any integrity and principles. His record is wide open for public review and his stands have been principled, consistent, and right since he started in congress in the 70s. Those who now parrot his stands should be viewed in the light of their past horrific inconsistencies and their desperate desire to get elected (Perry, Romney, Palin, Bachmann, Gingrich, etc.).

td

September 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

Our country is bankrupt. We can no longer afford all of this grandiose spending on whatever we want. It is time to make the hard decisions on what is truly important for the country to spend its money on and what we can cutback on or do without. My liberal friends refuse are still in such an entitlement mindset that they can not even understand this concept and life is really going to be hard on them in the future.

John Boy

September 23rd, 2011
1:15 pm

So what if we MAY have executed the wrong one. Big deal.

Jackets '10

September 23rd, 2011
1:25 pm

yuzeyurbrane

September 23rd, 2011
1:33 pm

Sandra is right and td is wrong. The bill is bad for different reasons. I say let them shut the govt. down so td can learn a real life lesson about what the govt. means to all of us.

Grave Robber

September 23rd, 2011
1:43 pm

Yet we can afford to pay people in Congress exorbitant salaries, benefits and pensions? Wage endless (undeclared) wars?

What happened to the spirit of the American people over the past 200 years? We’re a pale, fragile shell of what we once were.

Insider Info

September 23rd, 2011
1:43 pm

We didn’t execute the “wrong one.” Read beyond the sound bites of the uneducated on the case:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/09/21/there-is-no-travesty-of-justice-in-georgia-executive-troy-davis/

BW

September 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm

td

It’s interesting that you singled out entitlement spending as if liberals are the only beneficiaries. How about raising taxes to properly fund the spending? How about not raiding the Social Security trust fund? How about containing military spending to some percentage of GDP? How about some jobs that pay a wage that you can actually live and not just survive? How about containing the cost of medical care? These are not liberal or conservative issues…these are American issues.

Junior Samples

September 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm

TD,
Should we continue to write blank checks for war?
Or continue to spend endless sums of money without consideration?
We are well past an “Eye for an Eye”.

MrLiberty

September 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm

John Boy – If we executed the wrong one than the right one is still out on the streets potentially causing more harm. The quest for blood – anyone’s – should not distract one from that plain and simple fact.

LeeH1

September 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm

So, once again, the Republicans are leading us toward a government shutdown, scaring the markets and bankrupting our country. Want to see the direct influence of the Republicans in your life? Check out the balance on your 401 retirement fund. The Republicans like ot take fro mthe poor and give to the rich.

And they will destroy the country before they will let Obama claim any sucess.

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
2:39 pm

LeeH1…..Obama has had no success because of his own doing.

Kristin

September 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm

Where was the Tea Party and the cries for less spending during GWB’s administration? Did he not enter his presidency with a surplus? Bush (and a GOP controlled House and Senate during his first term) were spending like crazy (tax cuts, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, expansion of the government with the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security, etc.). Big government, expansion of government and deficit spending are not exclusively liberal policies. And entitlement programs are not the only places money is being spent. Sick of all the partisan rhetoric. Fix the problem with a realistic, responsible solution.

TP4U

September 23rd, 2011
2:52 pm

Thank you Kristin.

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm

Kristin….”Fix the problem with realistic, responsible solution”. We are Obama must go in 2012.

clem

September 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm

not after watching last nite’s debate

double

September 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

The people will have a very hard time accepting reduced benefits,while doling aid to foreign countries.Medicare,and SS should not be cut.

Beeg Boi

September 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

td left some important information. The fact is, he leftout the letters u and r from his name.

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

TD:

How can one be so obtuse? The first thing Congress (and you) need to learn is that Social Security and Medicare are not government funds. These entities are funded by the public for the benefit of the public with public funds directed specifically to those entities for allocation for specific purposes.
They are not part of the federal general fund nor part of the federal budget and are not funded by citizen income tax dollars.

Every worker receiving a pay check since 1937 has contributed to Social Security with an equal amount coming from his/her employer. As a worker (since the age of 12) AND a business owner I have done both — gladly.

Social Security is not an entitlement it is the publics’ money. It does not belong to the government.

Every pay check and every Social Security check issued since 1966 has included a deduction to fund Medicare. Public contribution to a designated entity for a designated purpose for distribution back to the public as determined by the publics’ need at a later date. The funds therefore are not part of the general fund or the federal budget. They are not federal income tax dollars paid to the government. Therefore they are not entitlements.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend ?

As soon as the R’s and D’s get this through their thick heads perhaps they can move on to finding practical, implementable and legal solutions to the budget and debt issues.

First of all, it must be understood that Social Security has never increased the federal deficit by a single dime. “Unfunded obligations” are a sleight-of-hand in federal accounting. Social Security has always, every year since its inception, taken in more money than it paid out. The problem that arose was what to do with this surplus of money. The answer has been to “buy” U.S. Treasury bonds – which are, in essence, government IOUs that pay interest. In the meantime, the real excess dollars go into the general fund and the politicians spend the real money, leaving the Social Security program with the bonds – the so-called unfunded obligations.

Intelligent people realize that politicians (on both sides of the aisle) have spent the excess Social Security money in the general fund on all sorts of things — including tax reductions for the rich and corporations. Now SS is hamstringing business? Growth?

Please.

Now, in a stroke of genius, the Congress, led at this time by Republicans, have seized on this accounting sleight-of-hand to try and renege on paying back the money to Social Security and end the whole program, as we know it, in one fell swoop, leaving America’s working people holding an empty bag in their old age.

To continue to insist that Social Security is increasing the federal deficit and bankrupting the country is extremely naive in the least, and an outright lie at worst. It should be corrected, not perpetuated, by the press — Fourth Estate my a@# — on opinion pages, blogs and slanted news networks.

The oldest form of warfare is divide and conquer. Quit thumping your chest for one party or the other and figure out who is conquering you and other mindless dilettantes here.

who cares

September 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm

Obama is not the problem. The problem was here before he came to Washington and will be here when he leaves no matter when that is. The problem plain and simple is everyone wants to take from everyone, except them, to solve the problem. It is our stupidity and greed that caused this and will keep it going. Every time you buy cheap from some other country instead of supporting american jobs, you send jobs overseas, and the lifestyles that those jobs supported. No government made you buy that, you chose.

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm

who cares…..”Obama is not the problem” HAHAHAHA Nice try.

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm

Kristin:

There is no Tea Party. The Tea Party is creation of the super wealthy funded GOP. Around the Southeast — what state would you consider to be the biggest Tea Party stronghold? Off the top of my head, I’d say South Carolina.

From today’s news: “At age 55, South Carolina state Sen. David Thomas began collecting a pension for his legislative service without leaving office.

Most workers must retire from their jobs before getting retirement benefits. But Thomas used a one-sentence law that he and his colleagues passed in 2002 to let legislators receive a
taxpayer-funded pension instead of a salary after serving for 30 years.

Thomas’ $32,390 annual retirement benefit — paid for the rest of his life — is more than triple the $10,400 salary he gave up. His pension exceeds the salary because of another perk: Lawmakers voted to count their expenses in the salary used to calculate their pensions.

No other South Carolina state workers get those perks.

Since January 2005, Thomas, a Republican, has made $148,435 more than a legislative salary would have paid, his financial-disclosure records show. At least four other South Carolina lawmakers are getting pensions instead of salaries, netting an extra $292,000 since 2005, records show.
Pension perks aren’t unique to legislators in South Carolina.”

Read the whole thing here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-11/1A-state-lawmakers-pump-pensions/50522036/1

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm

Who cares….however I agree with you about buying American…..

td

September 23rd, 2011
3:29 pm

BW

September 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm

Let us talk about GDP and military spending. Did you know that today’s spending on our military is 4% of our GDP. This is the lowest amount we have spent on the military since before WW2. By comparison, during the 50’s we spent 10% of our GDP on the military. Our spending levels now are a result of the Clinton peace dividend. It looks like he had it just about right because we are still the strongest military in the world. The problem with this spending decrease is that Clinton, along with Newt, balanced the budget, but then both Republicans and Democrats took that money and spent it on domestic projects and yes entitlement programs (NCLB, Medicare part D). We spend a higher amount of our GDP today on entitlement programs then we have ever in the history of our country.

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:30 pm

You can’t buy American if nothing is made here anymore. Research when corporations started leaving America. I assure you it wasn’t 2008.

Ask “great American” Dick Cheney where the company he led — Halliburton — who receives most of its money from government contracts, funded by taxpayer dollars — moved to?

I’ll tell you U.A.E.

RGB

September 23rd, 2011
3:35 pm

Real Athens,

If you believe all the social security funds individuals have, ahem, contributed have not been sucked up by the federal government and replaced with IOUs, why not write your congressman and have him introduce a bill that refunds all “contributed” monies to the “contributors” in exchange for a release of liability by the taxpayer.

Do that and let us know how that works out for you.

File this one under “Social Security, Global Warming, Government Stimulus and Other Myths”.

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:38 pm

TD:

You sir, are a liar. The US federal government has generally run a deficit since the late 1960s — 1968, I believe.

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:40 pm

RGB:

Work on your reading comprehension and re-read my post.

You’re perpetuating a myth.

Funny, it’s not even yours either. Lemming.

Democrats are the Renegers

September 23rd, 2011
3:41 pm

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically
controlled House and Senate.

———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democrat Party.

———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —–

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democrat Party, with Al Gore casting the
‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –

Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That’s right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democrat Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

———— — ———— ——— —– ———— ——— ———

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want
to take your Social Security away!

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
3:41 pm

Real Athens….dont call TD a liar so quickly. He is actually mostly right. He is not talking about the deficit alone. But compared to the GDP

td

September 23rd, 2011
3:45 pm

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

First off you can blame Jimmy Carter for taking off the lock and putting the funds in the general fund.

Did you know when FDR and the Democratic congress originally set up SS that the average lifespan in this country was 60 and you could not start drawing until you were 62? Perry was right in calling the whole program a ponzi scheme because the vast majority of the people would never see the money they put into the system.

Now let us talk about SS. SS would probably be fine if the libs had not attached SSI and draining the funds. Do you know how many “Crazy checks” the government sends out every month? We spend enough in on SSI per year to fund the program 2 additional years. Now how many of those SSI checks are really for truly disabled people and how many of them go to lazy people milking the system? 25% to 50% would probably be about right. I am not against SS because I would like to be able to live a little better when I retire but I do not see it around that long.

I have a question. Do we really have 25% of our population in need of food stamps from the government.

I saw a report on 60 minutes last year estimating 25% fraud in the Medicare system in the state of Florida. I saw another report for 30% fraud in Calf. Medicaid system.

When we can first cut all this waste out of government then most conservatives would start thinking about tax increases. Where are all you libs at on cutting waste. As a conservative I say cut all the farm subsidies, what waste are you libs willing to cut?

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
3:49 pm

TD…..AMEN!!!!!

Independent voter

September 23rd, 2011
3:53 pm

I hope they shutt down the government because we will see how the GOP/TEABAGGARS are messing up the country. It sad that TD always on here speaking for the rich idiots who messing up the country. Georgia has the highest poverty in the counrty. Guess who running Georgia the republicans so could someone tell me where my tax money going to in Georgia it dont seem like moving people out of poverty.

Nathan Deal will be voted out of the office with the rest of the teabaggars.

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
3:57 pm

Independant voter. hahah your comments are comical. The Senate is the one that just declined the bill to keep the government running and you are blaming the GOP? Nice!

Georgia has one of the highest minority ratio’s as well. Do you think the two have something in common? Maybe? haha

Dacula 1995

September 23rd, 2011
3:59 pm

Independant Voter….ACTUALLY YOU LIED AGAIN! District of Columbia is number 1 in poverty followed by Mississippi. Georgia is 37th.

Insider Info

September 23rd, 2011
4:23 pm

Wowee. Real Athens, I was pretty impressed with your first post regarding the truth about Social Security.

BUT, then you quickly received 50 points off for your next post in which you claim there is no “Tea Party” as that is just an organization funded by the “super-rich.”

Oh, yawnnnn….

Independent voter

September 23rd, 2011
4:24 pm

Independent voter

September 23rd, 2011
4:30 pm

300,000 people fall right into poverty since 2009..I am not trying to blame the republicans on the poverty level but I blame all Georgia politicians to see way no one is trying to fix the poverty in Georgia. Since Nathan Deal is the governor he has not did anything to fix this issue that going on in Georgia. I guess Georgia was more concern on putting a innocent man to death.

That my opinion so please dont faught me for my opinion just fix the issues

red light redistrict

September 23rd, 2011
4:47 pm

It would behoove he mane GOP leadership in the House to saddle their arrogance and admit that they’re not infallible, but they are well-corralled in how to rein-in any progress our country might enjoy simply by acting like the horse’s patoots they truly are.

Ziti

September 23rd, 2011
4:47 pm

Re Rep. Phil Gingrey and his own “infallibility” : He ran for re-election unopposed in 2010 and — surprise! — won. The the only way voters could dissent was by leaving that ballot blank. I hope that this appalling scenario will not be repeated in 2012, but I doubt it. I have come to realize that the voters in my district aren’t smart enough to see the danger in supporting a one-candidate election.

Ga Values

September 23rd, 2011
5:05 pm

Wouldn’t it be great if someone honest beat Tom Graves?

yuzeyurbrane

September 23rd, 2011
6:36 pm

Every poster (even those who I largely agree with) ought to get a grip and check their facts for accuracy better. Also, liar is being thrown around a little too loosely. The word implies bad intent. But most of the time people are just incorrect with their facts.

chuck

September 23rd, 2011
6:56 pm

Tom Graves is a crook, but those of us in th 9th district don’t seem.to care. He is a “tea bagger.” Show me one honest, ethical member of the GA House of Representatives. I think our two senators are probably as honest as politicians can be (not saying much!). Our GA senate and house are jokes. GA used to be a pretty progressive state, but no more. We are a bunch of ignorant, racist, bigoted rednecks.

Dick

September 23rd, 2011
7:25 pm

A US government shut down and continuing Tea Party gridlock is just what is needed to plunge us into a world recession. Yesterday Boehner’s press conference, saying we don’t want to raise taxes (unless of course it is on the poor and middle class, so we can broaden the base to lower the tax rates for the rich) effectively told the world we are going to be irresponsible. We look and act like Greece, more each day; can’t see the forest for the trees.

Shame of Georgia

September 23rd, 2011
7:32 pm

It so sad to see how the republican audience booed a soldier who servinng in the military over in Iraq.

It a shame that Georgia republican state allow a innocent man to be put to death because reason of doubt.

Michael Moore I am so happy that you are putting a campaign out to boycott Georgia.

It a shame that Nathan Deal the governor of Georgia put parole board members to allow Troy Davis to lose his life because of doubt.

It a shame Georgia is one of the highest poverty state in america.

It a shame Georgia taken voter rights from minorities.

It a shame we have to vote Nathan Deal and the republicans out of the office.

Georgia I am shame to live in Georgia

td

September 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm

Shame of Georgia

September 23rd, 2011
7:32 pm

“It a shame that Georgia republican state allow a innocent man to be put to death because reason of doubt”

Who’s doubt? The man was convicted by a jury of his peers, his case has been reviewed by over 20 courts, pardons board, Governor, Federal justice dept (under Obama) and not one sherd of evidence was produced or found saying he was not guilty. It even went before the US Supreme court and his appeal was rejected by a 9-0 vote. So again where is the evidence that can be proven in a court of law? We are either a coutry of laws or we are a lawless country.

“It a shame Georgia is one of the highest poverty state in america”

Why? Is it because no one is working or is it because of the choices people have made? When people choose to have children out of wedlock with no education, no job then they are going to be poor.

“It a shame Georgia taken voter rights from minorities”

How has anyones right to vote been taken away? Do you mean someone is not going to be able to vote now because they can not prove who they are?

td

September 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm

Dick

September 23rd, 2011
7:25 pm

Who decided to vote down the bill in the Senate? Oh yea, we can not blame the Dems for anything because they are the party of good that is going to keep all our money flowing into our pockets. When are you going to wake up and realize this country is broke and you have to offset spending with reductions in other areas?

td

September 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm

Real Athens

September 23rd, 2011
3:38 pm
TD:

You sir, are a liar. The US federal government has generally run a deficit since the late 1960s — 1968, I believe.

You my friend does not know what you are talking about.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending

Here is an excerpt:

“Then in World War II the United States achieved an unprecedented mobilization of resources, and defense spending rose to 42 percent of GDP in 1945. But after the war it never returned to previous levels. From a low of 7.33 percent of GDP in 1948 it doubled to 15 percent at the height of the Korean War in 1953, and was maintained at about 10 percent during the peak of the Cold War through the end of the Vietnam War. Against this the defense buildup during the Reagan era, from 5.6 percent of GDP in 1979 to 7 percent of GDP in 1986 was modest, and the Bush buildup from 3.6 percent in 1999 to 6 percent in 2010 to fight the first battles against Islamist extremism equally restrained. The plans of the Obama administration show a reduction in spending back to 4.6 percent of GDP by 2015.”

Now let us look at health care spending:

“Then, in 1965, Congress passed the Great Society legislation at the behest of President Johnson, featuring Medicare, a health subsidy program for older Americans, and Medicaid, a health care provision for the poor. Ever since, government health care expenditures have trended steadily higher. Government health spending breached two percent of GDP in 1970, three percent of GDP in 1980, and four percent of GDP in 1991. Spending breached five percent of GDP in 1995, six percent in 2007, and seven percent of GDP in 2009.”

So we are spending less today as a % of GDP then in the 50’s and 60’s and are spending more on Medicare 7% than defense. This is the type of spending that is bankrupting the country not the military (which BTW is a Constitutional responsibility of the Federal government whereas Medicare is not).