Rick Perry vs. Mitt Romney: A presidential rivalry — and longstanding feud

Pat O’Connor at the Wall Street Journal today traces the origins of the long-standing feud between Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney:

In 2006, during a meeting in Austin, Mr. Perry, the Texas governor, questioned a decision Mr. Romney, then the governor of Massachusetts, had made as chairman of the Republican Governors Association. Mr. Romney had hired the media adviser Alex Castellanos for the group, though Mr. Castellanos was working for one of the candidates trying at the time to unseat Mr. Perry.

In the meeting, Mr. Romney defended his decision, according to multiple people familiar with the exchange, and the shouting match that ensued has quickly become campaign lore.

The piece raises a future debate topic that would be unusual even in a hard-bit Republican field. Perry thinks Romney has a “Boy Scout” problem – because the neckerchief crowd wasn’t allowed to volunteer in the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, which were headed up by Romney.

Perry suggests opposition from gay groups was the cause. A Romney spokesman says there was a minimum age requirement of 18.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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38 comments Add your comment

MyPatootie

August 29th, 2011
12:54 pm

Not a Romney fan, but no way Rick Perry gets the support of most Independent Conservatives due to his position and inactions on illegal immigrants. He gets a failing grade on Numbers USA. He is just another George W Bush. Watch out for the “sneaky snake”!

Alex

August 29th, 2011
1:01 pm

Read it here again.
Anybody but Romney nominated = Obama in 2012
Romney nomination = Romney in 2012

sldkfjslk

August 29th, 2011
1:15 pm

Good job of simplifying the race Alex. Republicans can’t handle much more logic than that. If they did they wouldn’t continue to vote against their best interests.

Voting for future

August 29th, 2011
1:16 pm

Romney is Obama in a republican suite and tie. He has his own Obama Care that he forced on his state and is not sorry about it. It does not work in his state either. He will not repeal Obama Care because if he does it will say his plan is also a failure which it is. Hes also a flip flopper. I dont trust Romney.

Perry gets my vote. He knows how to create jobs, he knows that regualtions cause job loss and hes not for ammisty, but is for a worker program. I dont think a worker program is all that bad but they must come through the right way and pay taxes. If Perry was for ammisty he would not be billing the federal government for housing illegals that he holds in jail and cant deport. Might want to read up on the real Perry and not read what the news and democrats want you to know. They really DO lie A LOT!

Jimbo 24

August 29th, 2011
1:17 pm

I agree. Romney in 2012. There’s something abiut Perry that makes me nervous.

Truth Squad

August 29th, 2011
1:20 pm

The truth is that Perry is less competent than Bush. Texas is a mess in every which way and a year from now, according to the WSJ, Texas will look even worse than it does now. Perry can win the South, though Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina will remain very close. Outside the South, Perry doesn’t win but the low electoral vote states of the Plains and upper West. Last I counted, that is not enough to win.

Let’s not rule out Palin/Perry as the eventual Republican ticket. I think the Republicans want the full Crazy Platter this go around.

Then again, it really doesn’t matter who the Republican nominee happens to be as s/he will certainly lose. At some point the nominee will have to convince the voters that more tax cuts for the wealthy, more deregulation,more drastic cuts to the social safety net, as well as eliminated things like the EPA, are the way forward to a healthier economy. The nominee will also have to explain why it is they signed all of these pledges to special interest groups as well.

I don’t think they can sell that tune even in 2012.

DannyX

August 29th, 2011
1:21 pm

“DO lie A LOT!”

Were they lying when they told you that Perry signed the Texas Dream Act?

mat

August 29th, 2011
1:22 pm

I will have a hard time voting for either one.I DON’T like their stand onhealthcare or social security.

Steve

August 29th, 2011
1:25 pm

Mr. Perry, the governor of Texas, recently made headlines by dismissing evolution as “just a theory,” one that has “got some gaps in it” — an observation that will come as news to the vast majority of biologists. But what really got peoples’ attention was what he said about climate change: “I think there are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects. And I think we are seeing almost weekly, or even daily, scientists are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change.”

That’s a remarkable statement — or maybe the right adjective is “vile.”

The second part of Mr. Perry’s statement is, as it happens, just false: the scientific consensus about man-made global warming — which includes 97 percent to 98 percent of researchers in the field, according to the National Academy of Sciences — is getting stronger, not weaker, as the evidence for climate change just keeps mounting.

findog

August 29th, 2011
1:27 pm

Perry talking trash is news how?

honested

August 29th, 2011
1:35 pm

Perry better talk fast.

His three weeks in the spotlight are almost up and I’m sure he’s still got a lot of wacko pronouncements to make!

Alabama Communist

August 29th, 2011
1:38 pm

More Breaking News On Perry and Romney Fake fight In The Republican Party..A unknown source within the Perry Campaign said Bilderburg Rick was upset with Romney because he worn his secret Mormon Religious Underware to a Bush 2 BBQ and didn’t change it..

Dave

August 29th, 2011
1:46 pm

The global warming crowd wants so badly for it to be true that global warming is man made that they are willing to look the other way when the scientists leading the charge are caught manipulating numbers and omitting data that doesn’t support the preditermined outcome they were recruited to somehow legitimatize. If they are really interested in truth why do numbers have to be fudged. And why does the global warming crowd ignore that 31,000 scientist, including 9,000 PHD’s signed the Petition Paper that was circulated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine which states that the data put forth by the IPCC (the political body who hand picked select, bobble head scientists) doesn’t even begin to support their assertions about the causes of global warming, I mean climate change, or their projections about the future effects CO2 (the stuff we exhale) on the global climate. The IPCC exists for the sole purpose of regulating and taxing fossil fuels.

Tom

August 29th, 2011
1:51 pm

Truth squad-I guess you ignore anything and everything that says a monkey with a flashlight can and will beat Obama. He’s even having his wife do an episode of Extreme Home Makeover to try for any votes. Please!

findog

August 29th, 2011
1:52 pm

Yo Dave, 310,000 out of; 9,000 out of?

sheepdawg

August 29th, 2011
1:52 pm

voting for future- master spelling, grammer, punctuation for the present before trying to convey your political wisdom on what’s best for the future of our world

honested

August 29th, 2011
2:00 pm

dave,

Dead wrong.

But even if you were right, regulating, heavily taxing and then moving beyond all fossil fuels is a good thing!

carla roqs

August 29th, 2011
2:01 pm

@Voting for future, August 29th, 2011, 1:16 pm. hon, i hope all of perry’s supporters are just like you!

carla roqs

August 29th, 2011
2:03 pm

alex, i too think romney is the one so far who can beat him. but, who would be the vice?

findog

August 29th, 2011
2:06 pm

Every community in Georgia devastated by the flood in 2009, tornado’s this spring needs to thank the #2 Republican in the house for forcing the disaster assistance for his Virginia be paid for by cutting your recovery and disaster mitigation funding from the federal government to make sure his area’s support is paid for within current levels of spending

carla roqs

August 29th, 2011
2:06 pm

belief in global warming is kinda like belief in God to me, you have to take it on faith. so many things from the Bible have been proven to be true by scientists, i guess people do want global warming to be man made, because then nothing the Bible states about today and the future’s weather patterns and bizarre happenings will not be true.

Yo Voting for future

August 29th, 2011
2:07 pm

@voting for future – he’s created jobs by giving huge corporate tax breaks to companies that will relocate to Texas. They just have to donate large amounts of money to his campaigns in return.

Bill Orvis White

August 29th, 2011
2:15 pm

Romney is looking weaker to me by the second. The honorable Gov. Rick Perry looks like he would be a strong leader who will stare down Islamo-Fascism wherever it may exist. I don’t think Gov. Romney has what it takes to be firm with Islamists.

My pick is still Herman Cain. However, I would be very happy with a Perry/Cain ticket = a perfect combo.

Amen,
Bill

Dave

August 29th, 2011
2:17 pm

Honested,

Dead wrong? How so??

Findog – the total number of Scientists on the IPCC board is 600 and they’ve been caught cooking the books multiple times. So if 600 IPCC scientist is a respectable number, do you really have to ask 31,000 out of how many? If it were a million instead of 31,000, would it really make any difference. They would still be ignored by Al Gore, the IPCC, the mainstream media. No matter how many people or scientists refute the lies published by the IPCC, it won’t matter because the side promoting man made global warming is not interested in the truth. Al Gore says “the debate is over” because he doesn’t want to have to debate the topic in public because he can’t respond to challenges toward his bogus claims. The man has been in hiding, only making appearances in front of Gore friendly crowds since he made a fool of himself, again, in Copenhagen.
I want to know more about Perry before I make up my mind about him, but I do admire his courage in being honest about his views toward global warming. There are others polititians on both sides that don’t buy the global warming argument but are afraid of being honest for fear of the political fallout that may result. Anyone how thinks Perry is a lunatic for not believing in global warming is naive. All of our elected officials can’t be that stupid or dishonest.

Dawged

August 29th, 2011
2:21 pm

Gee I wish we had gotten this kind of in depth screening of Presidental candidates by the AJC back when Obama was first a candidate.Pehaps the country would not be in the mess he and his minions have led us into.The only good news about Obama is that by the time the next election rolls around(if we can survive this administration that long) even a Jimmy Carter could beat Obama badly in the election.

Missy

August 29th, 2011
2:34 pm

God is really, really pi$$ed at you people. She wants her crazy back!

Tom

August 29th, 2011
2:38 pm

We already know theocrat/dominionist candiates perry and Bachmann’s views on abortion, but has anyone asked their views on birth control?

In a world where many countries/regions are struggling with over-population there are still many who would work to ban ALL forms of birth control (ex: Catholic church in the Phillipines) as they believe there are only three God-approved stages of life in which a woman should exist…..

Pre-adolescent
Post-menopausal
Pregnant

findog

August 29th, 2011
2:38 pm

Dave, thank you
According to your argument numbers don’t matter so your using them to make your point makes your position untenable to those who use logic to discuss the matters of concern we may, or may not, consider important enough to waste a few precious minutes of our daily lives to dialog with passionate holders of differing views

ByteMe

August 29th, 2011
2:40 pm

Dave says And why does the global warming crowd ignore that 31,000 scientist, including 9,000 PHD’s signed the Petition Paper

And how many of those scientists and PhD’s were climatologists? Answer: maybe a handful.

If I wanted a poll of people to tell me how to do brain surgery, that’s how I’d do it, create some online petition and get a bunch of fools to sign it. But if I wanted to know everything about brain surgery, I’d ask a brain surgeon who does it for a living.

If you don’t know the right questions, don’t ask the wrong people.

ByteMe

August 29th, 2011
2:41 pm

She wants her crazy back!

Feel free to take Bachmann and Palin any time, God.

honky talkin'

August 29th, 2011
2:47 pm

Remember when Rick Perry strongly opposed the stimulus? Hypocrisy at its finest:
Perry and the Republican-controlled Texas legislature requested, received and used $6.4 billion in stimulus money to help balance the budget. 97 percent of the budget shortfall was filled with stimulus money. In addition to the $6.4 billion to balance Rick Perry’s budget deficits, Texas also used $5.7 billion in stimulus money in 2010 for “programs such as highway and bridge construction, child care development programs and weatherization assistance.” That’s a total of $12,100,000,000 in total stimulus money for Rick Perry’s Texas in one year alone.
Rick Perry is responsible for Texas being the second biggest state recipient of ARRA stimulus dollars.

Ga Values

August 29th, 2011
3:15 pm

“He’s like Bush only without the brains,” cracked one former Republican governor who knows Perry, repeating a joke that has made the rounds

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62214.html#ixzz1WRnAr0wG

joe

August 29th, 2011
3:24 pm

Who cares about the feud? One will get the nod over the other…but both are head and shoulders better than our current leader. Need a job or a better job? Vote Obama out or face 4 more years of unemployment or underemployment…not to mention 3.50+ gas, out of control spending and everything illegal alien driven issues that he refuses to fix…

DannyX

August 29th, 2011
3:45 pm

Perry does have the advantage of belonging to the secret Fraternal Order of Republican Cheerleaders. Perry wasn’t a college cheerleader to meet girls, Texas A&M only has boy cheerleaders. A dedicated boy cheerleader can one day become a Republican President, thats why he was a very good flamboyant Cheerleader at A&M.

Ike, Reagan, and W were Cheerleaders. Republicans seem attracted to male cheerleaders and Hollywood actors. Strange. If you want your boy to be president one day get him into cheerleading and drama.

GIVE ME AN (R)!!!!!

honested

August 29th, 2011
4:07 pm

DannyX

Cheerleading and drama seem to be coin of the realm for republican presidents once elected.

Ci2Eye

August 29th, 2011
6:23 pm

Romney beats Obama

Perry loses to Obama

As Alex said, it really is that simple.

Why? Although the hard core Republicans may not love Romney, they will vote for him over Obama and, more importantly, so will the indpendents and disaffected Democrats.

Democrats unhappy with Obama won’t be turned off by an intelligent, articulate Republican but there is no possible way they’ll every be convinced to vote for an anti-science religionist like Perry. In fact they will work night and day and send in every penny they have to keep Perry out. With Romney there is no such response.

If Republicans truly want to win, they must pick Romney.

And, most important of all, Mitt Romney has the perfect resume’ and mix of skills to maybe possibly be able to fix America and save us from the doom we are facing.

ATL-9

August 29th, 2011
6:43 pm

Let’s compare:

Romney

Brigham Young: BA in English with honors
Harvard Business School – MBA with Baker Scholar honors
Harvard Law School – JD (Juris Doctorate) with Baker Scholar honors

Rick Perry

Texas A&M – BS in Animal Science – 2.5 GPA

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The role voters are given in selecting a President is akin to a the role of any manager in a company when there is a position to be filled. We must evaluate the skills needed to execute the job and then pick the candidate best qualified.

If voters take their job seriously and approach this rationally and look at the gravity of the issues facing America and then pick the candidate with the best resume’ the choice will be easy. Romney wins hands down.

In fact, any recruitment team in corporate America that would pick Perry over Romney to lead their company should be fired. Romney clearly has the resume to lead the largest enterprise in the World and Perry barely learned enough to take care of steers on a ranch in West Texas.

honested

August 29th, 2011
6:53 pm

ATL-9

Members of any party that would allow clowns like perry to be considered ‘leaders’ and candidates for the big chair should take a good hard look at what their ‘party’ really wishes to accomplish.