Mitch Seabaugh: GOP domination of Fulton delegation an ‘innocent byproduct’
Senate Reapportionment Chairman Mitch Seabaugh told reporters this morning that a Republican map that would put Fulton County legislation under GOP control was an “innocent byproduct” of his effort to satisfy the demands of his Democratic and Republican colleagues.
Seabaugh made his remarks after Democrats in the Senate loudly complained of unfair treatment, but before his committee met to consider a new version of the chamber’s political boundaries – designed to give Republicans a constitutional majority after the 2012 elections. The map is expected to be passed out, for a floor vote as early as Thursday.
In addition to giving the GOP a decent chance at building a two-thirds majority, the map could also give Republicans control of the Fulton County delegation by adding portions of four Republican-leaning districts inside county lines.
As a rule, legislation affecting individual counties must pass through local delegations before reaching either chamber. In the case of Fulton, that could include some very hot issues – such as the reach of county government in a territory filled with new cities, and the creation of a new Milton County from north Fulton.
Currently, the Fulton County Senate delegation is dominated 4-3 by Democrats. The new map could change that to a 7-4 Republican edge.
Seabaugh said this was not intentional.
The Sharpsburg lawmaker said his own Coweta County district expanded into south Fulton after consultation with his Democratic colleague, Donzella James. “Her district was overpopulated and when I sat down and spoke with her, she identified a certain area of population that she was willing to give up,” Seabaugh said. The city of Chattahoochee Hills is now in his district.
(James denies this account. And in the subsequent committee meeting, declared Seabaugh’s version “a lie” — later revising her assessment to “an untruth.”)
In any case, Seabaugh told reporters, county legislative delegations aren’t a matter for those concerned with voting rights. “Delegations – they are an advisory position. Legislation comes, and basically they sign off on it. This does not in any way [result in] disenfranchisement of the members of that county and who they vote for,” he said.
Further, Seabaugh said that not all Republicans are in favor of the creation of Milton County.
The man in charge of reapportionment in the Senate also took issue with Democratic charges that they had been snookered out of offering amendments to the map.
Senate Democratic Leader Steve Henson of Tucker said Seabaugh told him late Monday that no Democratic changes had been offered as of 11 a.m. – 24 hours before today’s 11 a.m. meeting — and thus would not be considered.
Henson said the rule was a result of new rules adopted by the Senate to speed the redistricting process – at 10:51 a.m.
Seabaugh went to the well to note that the 24-hour rule was adopted by his committee last April – and that Henson, in a June letter, had acknowledge the rule’s existence. “I’m sorry. If you can’t read the rules, won’t read the rules, or won’t obey the rules, I am going to follow the rules,” Seabaugh said.
Henson later said that Seabaugh was “technically” correct. But he also said that, until the Senate changed the rules on Monday morning, the reapportionment committee couldn’t have scheduled a meeting so early. “If they hadn’t changed the rules, we couldn’t have had that meeting until Wednesday. They passed those rule changes at 10:51 a.m. on Monday. We had until 11 o’ clock to get our amendments. They gave us a nine-minute chance,” Henson said.
Update: On the drive home, Seabaugh called to say that Henson was still mistaken in his understanding of Senate rules, and that his reapportionment committee could still meet Tuesday without the Senate chamber rule change.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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138 comments Add your comment
Herman Tallmadge
August 16th, 2011
10:12 am
Now that’s the way to run politics. first
Hal
August 16th, 2011
10:20 am
NO THAT’S THE WAY GEORGIA POLITICS IS RUN
Politi Cal
August 16th, 2011
10:20 am
Poor old Democrats. Maybe they’re finally getting the message. They lost!
Doug
August 16th, 2011
10:21 am
Golly gee, Sen. Henson! Don’t you wish you’d have thought of this back when you were in charge? The Repubs are really refining the art of the political end run. Someday if may explode in their face, but for now it’s working well for them, at the state and the fed level.
And all y’all can do is say it isn’t fair! Yeah, well, welcome to the real world, pal.
HA!
August 16th, 2011
10:25 am
Kind of similiar to what Obama and the dems have done with bills at the federal level in the past. The dems didn’t seem to have any issues with it then.
Cameron
August 16th, 2011
10:27 am
@HA! If I recall correctly we debated HCR for over a year? I think even most lay people were fairly familiar with general contents of the bill by that point. You can say a ton of things, but rammed through in the middle of the night is not one.
Marko
August 16th, 2011
10:29 am
Sure sounds like they learned from the federal Democrat ram-the-healthcare-bill-through then learn what is in it procress.
USMC2841
August 16th, 2011
10:29 am
Why don’t the Democrats sue to get the lines redrawn. Then the Republicans can appeal the process for 10 years until the next census requires the districts to be redrawn. Then we can start the whole process over again. It worked for the Democrats for 50 years until they lost control. If you don’t believe me ask yourself how Cynthia McKinney’s district could run from Atlanta to Savannah and only be as wide as I-20 in some stretches.
Egbert
August 16th, 2011
10:32 am
This pales in comparison to what Tom Murphy and his Democratic henchmen did to the Republicans (and the voters) of this state for years. Great job, Mitch. Keep it up.
jd
August 16th, 2011
10:32 am
I see Ga GOP learning lessons from Latin American Oligarchies! Has anyone checked their papers?
honested
August 16th, 2011
10:37 am
Cameron
We would have to go back to the ‘Medicare Part D (phrma giveaway)’ bill to find a good example of rammed through, violating the rules, in the middle of the night.
But they so conveniently forget that one.
double
August 16th, 2011
10:38 am
Trickery and deception in abundance.
Billy Bob
August 16th, 2011
10:39 am
Cameron @ 10:27, so most lay people were fairly familiar with what was in the HC bill? Is that why Nancy Pelosi said ‘We need to pass this bill so we will know what’s in it?’ Sure sounds like everyone didn’t know what was in the bill, including the then speaker of the house. Have a great day in dreamland.
honested
August 16th, 2011
10:40 am
egbert
So the plan is to mirror tom murphy (a man who should have retired 20 years earlier for the good of the state).
I thought the repug takeover was supposed to lead to improved governance and a better life for GA citizens. I guess that was just another lie.
Phil Lunney
August 16th, 2011
10:40 am
As I stated yesterday when you posted the Fulton County “packing”, these guys are making a mockery of all the rules. But, Republicans, be careful for what you ask for, you have gotten everything you wanted with these maps, you have dismembered the Ethics Committee staff, and they have set it up for a decade of dominance. But, just like a team that sets up their schedule for the most wins, overconfidence will be their come-up-ance and we will watch as they trip over their capes. Too bad the Attorney General is also from the GOP, I guess we will wait for the Feds.
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
10:42 am
This plan was announced well in advance. This year, it is not going to be a drawn out political rejiggering until/unless the Justice Department weighs in as they finally did 10 years ago. Republicans are equally restricted to change attempts to protect their desired turf.
Iconoclast
August 16th, 2011
10:44 am
Egbert, a fair number of these so-called Republicans were Democrats when Murphy reigned. There’s about $4.95 worth of partisan allegiance in the veteran good ol’ boys under the gold dome. The balance of their politics is about retaining power, otherwise they’d never have made the switch in the first place.
honested
August 16th, 2011
10:44 am
Before this whole discussion wanders way off topic into wrong wing distortion, isn’t the concept of redistricting to ensure adequate representation based on population?
I realize there have been some minor shifts in population and some decreases by the census (mostly caused by people who didn’t vote and shouldn’t have been here in the first place going back to where they should have been) but for the life of me, I haven’t seen whole groups of people move into the imaginary toothpaste splats that are represented on the new Senate and House maps.
mum
August 16th, 2011
10:46 am
That’s why nothing will change because like children, everyone is working at “payback”. Nobody cares about “the American people” whenit comes to getting power and keeping power. Does anyone want to live in a dictatorship? People talk about how good it is to have two parties sharing the responsibility of governing the country, but those same people are now pushing of a single mindset to decide on everything we do. If you don’t agree with my thinking then you’re not a “patriot or “real American’. Our sons and daughters are dying in foreign countries for an ideal that teh US no longer seems to try to live up to. What a shame!
Donnie
August 16th, 2011
10:48 am
Egbert,
The redistricting process should not just be about settling scores. It also should not just be about increasing majority party margins. It should be about drawing the districts that best allow constituents to hold their representatives accountable.
Hal,
It is not just how GA politics is run, it is endemic to state politics in general. Ubiquitously, once a state party has even the slightest majority come time for reapportionment, in most states, they have the ability to create more dominant majorities….not always “constitutional” majorities, but they will have a large enough majority to change rules and often prevent obstructionism from the minority party.
I hear all this crap about the system being “broken” and outlandish bits about how to fix it. State politics destroy the “system” far more than federal politics, and redistricting is the primary tool to accomplish such devastating consequences. We really do need independent commissions to be formed and authorized to perform reapportionment responsibilities. By independent I do not mean bipartisan, I mean non-partisan.
DannyX
August 16th, 2011
10:49 am
Poor Democrats???? Lol.
Its been a lot of fun watching the Republicans in action here in Georgia!
Linda Schrenko, Glenn Richardson, John Oxendine, Sonny Perdue! Land deals, face lifts, lobby babes, Georgia Power give-a-ways, never ending tollways, Pray For Rain, Go Fish! Bank failures, transportation failures, water failures, property tax increases, failed tax rewrites, stimulus gobbling.
Welcome the new crowd! Nathan Deal, Tom Graves, Chip Rogers, the banking committee chairmen from the state House and Senate. New sales tax loving, begging for federal pork projects, friends and family, 2 million dollar signature loans, new big government strings attached education programs, porn and roach motels, “Because its FREE!!!!”
I’m hoping for a super duper Republican majority, and more years of Georgia Republicans boasting about how good Republican run Texas is doing.
n
August 16th, 2011
10:50 am
Although Tom Murphy often had to resort to strong-arm tactics to keep the young turks and know-nothings in line, he generally functioned very efficiently to keep stupid, wasteful and wrong-headed bills from being foisted off on the Georgia citizenry. He was very mindful of the commonweal, and although certainly not perfect in his actions, had the public interest at heart. Now the young turks and know-nothings run the legislature, with their hare-brained sophomoric self-importance. There is no longer a mature, responsible adult around to control the adolescent hubris, which is running amok..
Clarence
August 16th, 2011
10:51 am
It is refreshing to see that some will decry the inherent unfairness of the system when it worked against them with the same breath they use to uphold the fairness of the system now that it works for them.
Interesting
August 16th, 2011
10:52 am
Can you say lack of representation? I can. Of course, I am ashamed to admit I’m from this state to anybody else because we are the laughing stock of the nation. Bottom of everything and republicans have ruled long enough to turn it around. My onlyhope is the voting majority will wake up and figure it out.
Bobby
August 16th, 2011
10:53 am
Gee, perhaps if everyone had left our 1956 flag alone, Republicans wouldn’t be the ones redrawing the maps. You liberal bigots are reaping what you sowed. So quit your whining. Sometimes political correctness bites you in the kister.
tiger7_88
August 16th, 2011
10:57 am
You mean the Democrats don’t like being forced to take the bitter pill of the minority party? Think they cared about that 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 40? 50? 100? etc. etc. etc.
td
August 16th, 2011
10:59 am
honested
August 16th, 2011
10:37 am
Cameron
We would have to go back to the ‘Medicare Part D (phrma giveaway)’ bill to find a good example of rammed through, violating the rules, in the middle of the night.
But they so conveniently forget that one
And that would have been rammed through the Senate by whom? Oh yea, Ted Kennedy the co-sponsor on the bill. We forget some facts if it does not fit our narrative.
Alphare
August 16th, 2011
10:59 am
Bobby
according to your logic, anti-bigotry is bigotry?
Alphare
August 16th, 2011
11:01 am
tiger7_88,
it’s the same people doing it. 20 or 30 years ago, they called themself Democrats like Zell Miller, now they call themselves Republicans. But they are the same people.
honested
August 16th, 2011
11:04 am
bobby
Flag shmag, let it go.
The civil war is over, the south lost, most of the current Citizens of GA had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
And the only reason to remember it is so nothing so stupid ever happens again.
honested
August 16th, 2011
11:06 am
td
Did you have a point.
I read carefully and I didn’t find it.
Senator Kennedy had nothing to do with the tom delay shenanigans.
King Bobby
August 16th, 2011
11:07 am
Folks, I got bad news. We are in trouble. Locally, stately and federally. Going from a very strong, conservative, Republican leaning citizen two years ago, I have no faith in politicians PERIOD. We must take back our country now, by voting all incumbents out. What, you say? We’ll have no continuity of knowledge and governance. Sure we will. All the staffers in Washington will be retained but won’t know to whom to hold allegiance. That is the only way to start fresh. Leave a few incumbents in, and they become totally, excessively powerful. Start anew, and everyone will be concentrating on keeping and doing their job, not building allegiances that may or may not survive. Throw them all out. It just might work!
td
August 16th, 2011
11:08 am
Donnie
August 16th, 2011
10:48 am
Egbert,
The redistricting process should not just be about settling scores. It also should not just be about increasing majority party margins. It should be about drawing the districts that best allow constituents to hold their representatives accountable.
When is the last time you have seen a Democratic district hold its Rep accountable (Especially in a African American dominated district).
CB
August 16th, 2011
11:11 am
The funny thing is, “…but [he/she] did it first!” isn’t seen as a valid justification when the average four-year old tries it. Glad to see we expect even less of our government officials, so long as they’re on our ’side’. We get the government we deserve.
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
11:12 am
@ Alphare posted: “it’s the same people doing it. 20 or 30 years ago, they called themself Democrats like Zell Miller, now they call themselves Republicans. But they are the same people.”
If that were true, the Democrats who are getting a first time payback wouldn’t be screaming.
I don’t like gerrymandering by either party. But we all knew this was coming after so many previous decades by the Democrats. If it is ever to be stopped as recent converts have been suggesting using County lines, uniform shapes, and natural boundaries – now would be a good time to work on a constitutional amendment.
Alphare
August 16th, 2011
11:13 am
tiger7_88
BTW, those people have no ethics, no characters. They will fall in the direction of wind blow. When Democrats are the fashion, they become Democrats. When Republicans are the fashion, they will become Republicans, as long as they can get elected. Just ask Nathan Deal.
When Zell Miller gave a speach for Clinton campaign. He shouted: without democrats’ ideals, I, Zell Miller, growing up poor in northern Georgia, wouldn’t be what I am today.
But one day when Zell Miller realized when Georgia is blowing Repbublican wind, he shouted, those warefare suckers are drowning our state and nation (but don’t take my exact words for it).
Yes, Zell Miller is a typical southern politicain, like Nathan Deal, and a long list of others. They would say whatever to get elected.
mark
August 16th, 2011
11:13 am
Alright!! The rich will continue to get rich and the poor whites will vote republican and get poorer. As Bob Dylan wrote in the 60s about the poor whites in the south; “you’re just a pon in the game”
Nothing has changed in 50years in the south. Still the butt of all jokes that have to do with back room deals, corruption and ingnorance.
td
August 16th, 2011
11:19 am
Interesting
August 16th, 2011
10:52 am
Can you say lack of representation? I can. Of course, I am ashamed to admit I’m from this state to anybody else because we are the laughing stock of the nation
That is a bunch of horse crap. Where in other parts of the country is Georgia a “laughing stock”? In what groups? Georgia would be an even better state if all you embarrassed people would go to where you fell less embarrassed.
yea baby
August 16th, 2011
11:20 am
Well you dumocrats taught us republicans how to do it and now you are getting what you deserve.Where is my check.
honested
August 16th, 2011
11:21 am
For those applauding the ‘payback’ scenario, that already happened.
In the 2003 emergency we just took over so we need to redraw again session.
That already drew new safe districts for the ‘majority’.
But several years of bad representation caused them to lose a handful of seats and some races that were closer than they wanted.
So draw the districts in a way that ensures there won’t even be a credible challenger.
We can’t let those voters decide what is best.
shayna
August 16th, 2011
11:23 am
Bobby, besides your confusion at what the word bigotry means, if the political shift was all because of flag insanity, that casts all of Georgia in a really poor light. Not just the politicians but the voters as well. Sad thing is, you may not be wrong.
Ah Zell. Has he challenged anyone to a duel lately?
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
11:27 am
Alphare posted: “But one day when Zell Miller realized when Georgia is blowing Repbublican wind, he shouted, those warefare suckers are drowning our state and nation (but don’t take my exact words for it).
Yes, Zell Miller is a typical southern politicain, like Nathan Deal, and a long list of others. They would say whatever to get elected.”
I don’t dispute this – but then Bill Clinton did a similar reversal when he got creamed in a mid-term election and lost the House and Senate. He instituted “Workfare” and “triangulated” his previous liberal positions in order to be re-elected.
Maybe that is why Obama made a tentative $4 trillion deal debt deal with Boehner, and why he backed off his populist campaigning on going back to Clinton tax rates, then just taxing families earning $250K (now a $1 million), ending Guantanamo, terrorist civil trials, quickly pulling out of Iraq, hundreds of waivers on his Obamacare.
SOUTHERN ATL
August 16th, 2011
11:28 am
Georgia, you get what you vote for. Many that were running for the legislative branches in 2010 were “ALL” running against President Obama. This state has been under Republican rule for the last past eight plus years long before the President. People need to wake up and realize that just because you keep voting for one party and they are in total dominance (Republican) we ALL will suffer! What has the Republican administration done to make Georgia competitive with the other states?
DannyX
August 16th, 2011
11:29 am
Take that Democrats! Paybacks are a _____.
Next up, us Republican crazies are going to raise taxes on everyone. Vote yes on the new liberal Republican tax and spend one cent tax hike scheme so we can pay back the Dems.
The Dems raised taxes for 100 years, its time for Republican payback. How did you like your Republican property tax increase? It’s cost me $900 so far, so I know its done some damage to a few Democrats.
Lets raise our taxes to teach the Dems a lesson. We’ll then load up Atlanta with all the goodies to really make the libs feel guilty.
Republicans, lets keep raising taxes, teach them a lesson.
td
August 16th, 2011
11:31 am
honested
August 16th, 2011
11:06 am
td
Did you have a point.
I read carefully and I didn’t find it.
Senator Kennedy had nothing to do with the tom delay shenanigans
I am sorry that you do not have the reading comprehension skills necessary to get the point. The point was this that the Medicare Part D bill along with NCLB were written by Ted Kennedy. Bush was stupid to trust Kennedy to do anything right.
Alphare
August 16th, 2011
11:32 am
Centrist,
did Obama switch to be a Republican? or you will stop calling him a communist?
SOUTHERN ATL
August 16th, 2011
11:32 am
When one suffers, everyone suffers!! Please do a poll to see how man Democrats and Republicans have:
1. Lost their job
2. Foreclosed on their homes
3. No longer have health insurance
4. Has to delay retirement
5……and the list goes on
It does not matter what party you are in or what race you are. It all comes in one size fits all!!!
td
August 16th, 2011
11:38 am
Mark
August 16th, 2011
11:13 am
“Nothing has changed in 50years in the south. Still the butt of all jokes that have to do with back room deals, corruption and ingnorance”
Can you please send me some of what you are drinking? Chicago and New York have many, many articles written about their corruption and back room deals and you want to say Georgia is the worst. Wow, unbelievable.
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
11:44 am
Alphare posted: “Centrist, did Obama switch to be a Republican? or you will stop calling him a communist?”
No to your first question, but he is moving to the middle. (over 1,500 ObamaCare waivers as of this month, and now starting EPA waivers.)
I have never called him a communist or anything else. I personally like him, but object to a lot of his previous politics. I supported his deal with Boehner, but liberal Democrat Senators made him take it back. I support his call for a millionaire tax (but opposed moving tax rates back to those of the Clinton years, or even just raising the top tax rate which mostly hits the professionals and small businessmen).
Obama's Mama
August 16th, 2011
11:45 am
When the good ole’ democrats were in office they did the same thing, so how does it feel now?
Disgusted Republican
August 16th, 2011
11:51 am
If you expect “ethics” from politicians who are grasping for power and special interest campaign dollars you are whistling Dixie up a blind alley! But there is an up side! The previous state reapportionment by Georgia Democrats wound up giving the state to Republicans. Same thing happened in Florida some years ago. Wouldn’t it be nice if this time it wound up giving the General Assembly to independents who actually cared about the future of the state and its people? If folks worked hard they could put independents on the ballot by petition in most every legislative district and with the current mood of fed up voters they might really have a chance! Same thing could work in Congressional Districts! But most people would rather sit on their butts and complain than to go out and work to change a broken system. Shame…isn’t it?
td
August 16th, 2011
11:56 am
Disgusted Republican
August 16th, 2011
11:51 am
“Wouldn’t it be nice if this time it wound up giving the General Assembly to independents who actually cared about the future of the state and its people?”
Where is any body of evidence that lets you come to the conclusion that independents are going to be less corrupt then Republicans or Democrats? At least the two parties are somewhat bound by the tenets of their parties. Independents are not bound by anyone of anything.
dixiesdemons
August 16th, 2011
11:57 am
The GOTP is making a strong case for race riots in Georgia. Should be interesting since EVERYBODY owns a gun .
Obama's Mama Shadow
August 16th, 2011
11:57 am
When the good ole’ democrats were in office they did the same thing, so how does it feel now?
I am loving in and you will too when you loose your job!
FCM
August 16th, 2011
11:58 am
Maybe the GOP grew a pair and realized they had better do what the voters elected them to do.
Edumacation
August 16th, 2011
12:02 pm
So can you Republicans blame President Obama for Georgia’s woes also!! We will ALWAYS be at the top of the list as the state with the LEAST educated population! I am proud and edumacated!
td
August 16th, 2011
12:03 pm
dixiesdemons
August 16th, 2011
11:57 am
The GOTP is making a strong case for race riots in Georgia. Should be interesting since EVERYBODY owns a gun
How when after the next election there will be more African Americans in the legislature then anytime in history under the GOP plan?
testerbill
August 16th, 2011
12:06 pm
District lines should be drawn by a computer so they would be as political neutral as possible.
shayna
August 16th, 2011
12:08 pm
The committee meeting with public comments is being streamed live on ustream. Wish I knew an hour ago.
http://www.facebook.com/georgiademocrat?sk=app_196506863720166
Beowulf
August 16th, 2011
12:09 pm
These proposed maps are a lot less gerrymandered than the goofy districts drawn up by the Dems last time around. Perfect, no. How can you make them perfect? No solution will satisfy anyone. I prefer them to be as regional and naturally-shaped as possible. Our identity partially comes from where we live, there is no reason for a district to stretch from say Atlanta to Macon and only be 2 miles wide!
Rob
August 16th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Elections have consequences. (Democrats) lost, and (Republicans) won.”
That smug-@$$ quote ain’t so funny now, is it?
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
12:12 pm
testerbill posted: “District lines should be drawn by a computer so they would be as political neutral as possible.”
Computers are used now – but they are purposely biasedly programmed. The Voting Rights Act requires some bias to protect minority representation in Georgia and other states. The result is a concentration of Democrats in certain districts, and since Republicans are in the majority – even fewer districts have a chance at Democratic party representation.
MiltonMan
August 16th, 2011
12:27 pm
Barnes for Governor in 2014!
GOP record in GA
August 16th, 2011
12:28 pm
GA GOP record – state unemployment rate above national average; high school graduation rates just better than only Mississippi; most bank failures in the country; top five in the country for foreclosures; lost a pro sports team; lost a NASCAR race; losing businesses to Charlotte, etc. So, you want to reward these guys with a super-majority in the legislature?
j rev
August 16th, 2011
12:32 pm
@Centrist
“I supported his deal with Boehner, but liberal Democrat Senators made him take it back.”
Actually, the deal was killed because Boehner couldn’t get support from his own party.
rexdogma
August 16th, 2011
12:33 pm
Don’t worry, the reps are already in charge. they have ruined this state. i guess it would not hurt to take us down a little more. maybe i will move. who can they blame for all their problems.
rexdogma
August 16th, 2011
12:35 pm
another thing horray for chip rogers who was the only rep to score high on the truth o meter when he said we have one of the lowest graduation rates in the country. now that’s something to be proud of!!!
honested
August 16th, 2011
12:41 pm
GOP Record In GA,
I have found your statements to be a good way to get a loud mouthed republican to shut up a t a party.
Just ask them ‘When will your plans make anything better?’.
They tend to quietly slink away.
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
12:42 pm
j rev posted: “Actually, the deal was killed because Boehner couldn’t get support from his own party.”
You are either ill-informed or are engaging in revisionism. Boehner and Obama had a deal on spending cuts and $800 billion in revenue increases over 10 years. (There were still significant differences on triggers to make them real) Boehner had a hard sell to his side, but said those increases could be done by expanding the tax base, closing loopholes, and limiting deductions/ credits instead of tax rate increases. It was Obama who couldn’t sell it to Senate Majority Leader Reid and other Senate Democrats. Obama was made to renege and demand a 50% increase in revenue up to $1.2 trillion. Boehner walked away calling Obama the “Jello President”.
honested
August 16th, 2011
12:43 pm
GOP record in GA
You left out lost TWO major automobile manufacturing plants. But heck we didn’t want those union dollars flowing around in the economy anyway.
honested
August 16th, 2011
12:46 pm
centrist
So if the President faces the reality that revenue increases are necessary and the Speaker is unable to get his caucus to abandon their failed supply-side nonsense it is somehow the President’s fault?
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
12:52 pm
@ honested – The president campaigned on populist tax increases on the top producers who already pay the lions’ share of taxes when the recession started. He has consistently backed off. The Speaker moved from no tax increases to $800 billion over 10 years. There was a deal until the radical Democrat Senators revolted.
honested
August 16th, 2011
12:54 pm
centrist
I am sad the President backed down on any of the proposed increases on the ‘top producers’.
After all, it would be a shame if they were taxed at a rate equivalent to the percentage of WEALTH THEY CONTROL and benefit from.
td
August 16th, 2011
12:56 pm
honested
August 16th, 2011
12:46 pm
95% of Republicans are doing ok in Georgia, could be better but we realize that the we are suffering through the worst global recession since the great depression. It is the Democratic voters who are doing so well. The ones that chose not to get an education. The ones that chose to have babies out of wedlock. The ones with no job skills. You know the ones that make the state ranked at 49th in education.
DannyX
August 16th, 2011
1:01 pm
The Republicans in Georgia are great at political payback. What else can they do?
2010 growth in the state economy was in the bottom fifth. Unemployment remains high. Job growth neutral. Foreclosures still strong. Banks still failing. Property values dropping, property taxes rising. Education, near last.
Some very good deals have been announced. Deals that stuff money in the pockets of our state Republican leaders. Paybacks are a _____! Our Republican leaders are laughing all the way to the bank failures.
(The out of wedlock baby mill Palin family should be off limits td, shame on you.)
td
August 16th, 2011
1:04 pm
honested
August 16th, 2011
12:46 pm
centrist
So if the President faces the reality that revenue increases are necessary and the Speaker is unable to get his caucus to abandon their failed supply-side nonsense it is somehow the President’s fault?
There are several ways to increase revenue but the Dems only think you should punish the producers in society. Why should the top 10% of wage earners pay 50% of all taxes paid while the bottom 48% pay $0? What is wrong with selling off some more grazing rights to increase revenue? What is wrong with selling more drilling rights off the coast to raise revenue? How about us sell rights to drill in Alaska? Would these ideas not increase revenue by the corporations paying more money, creating jobs to increase the tax base and by decreasing food and gas cost so that consumers would have more money to spend at home?
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
1:07 pm
@ honested – The top 1% pay 40% of all income taxes collected while earning 20% of all income (over $380K). This is a greater share of the burden than the bottom 90 percent combined earning under $100,000. When the top marginal income tax rate was 70 percent in 1980, these taxpayers in the top 1% paid 20 percent of all income taxes, yet now, when the top marginal rate is 35 percent they pay twice that. Not too far below here begins the “Golden Goose” area of taxation of the well off with lots of revenue, relatively few voters, and little influence. The vast majority are being taxed on earned income, but are not the truly wealthy. They are in the top progressive tax bracket of 35%, and their exemptions and deductions are phased out raising their effective tax rates even more to the highest levels (more progressiveness in taxpaying than just the tax brackets). This is where most of the specialized schooled professionals and successful small business owners who create jobs fit. How much MORE of a “fair share” should they pay, and what will their reactions be in regard to employees be if they get hit with yet even greater taxes? Obama campaigned to increase taxes on almost everyone by returning to the Clinton brackets, and moved to the “golden goose” tax bracket starting at $200K individual/$250K per family, but has since backed off.
td
August 16th, 2011
1:10 pm
DannyX
August 16th, 2011
1:01 pm
“(The out of wedlock baby mill Palin family should be off limits td, shame on you.)”
You seem like a pretty intellegent person on these blogs my friend, so answer please answer these questions. Please name the top three indicators to being poor? What are the top two indicators of a person in jail?
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:18 pm
centrist
Nice shift, but I didn’t mention ‘income’ (as that is easily fudged under our current loophole system) I mentioned WEALTH CONTROLLED (and thereby economic power exercised over those of us in the lower 98%).
As a small business owner for over a quarter century, I understand the RESPONSIBILITY of control, and I benefit from it.
I am well versed in the tax code and I have no interest in debating it with you in excess verbosity.
I am simply attempting to point out that the President was correct in his CAMPAIGN in that those gaining most benefit should pay the most freight.
It is sad he backed off in any increment.
mike
August 16th, 2011
1:20 pm
Don’t you realize these repubs are taking Georgia back to the 40s, 50s and 60s by manipulating the vote. I heard they are going to put back up those white only signs in the capitol building on Jan1 next year.
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:22 pm
td
Increasing taxes will not bespoil any more coastline when the next drilling disaster occurs.
Why not impose a real carbon tax and decrease the need to create damage to the water we happen to need and the air we happen to need.
In the mean time, increase taxes to the 1999 era levels and see prosperity return.
BTW, if republicans are doing so well, why are the spending so much time whining about gaining access to taxpayer funding for their slapped together private schools?
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:23 pm
Mike,
The reality is they will replace ‘white’ with ‘adequately funded’.
It’s legal and it keeps away the unwashed.
Backwards Georgians
August 16th, 2011
1:23 pm
It’s sad when I read the comments here and 95% of them are Democrat vs. republican. Do you people not realize that wrong is wrong regardless what side of the coin it comes from. Georgia is full of Democrats and Republicans with no brain. Have an opinion on the actual politics and not winner. What is great about redistricting to benefit a certain group of voters or citizens. Many of you are so against the Dems in congress though i agree many are idiots, but a most don’t want to cut Social Security benefits and Medicare. I don’t know about ya’ll but black, white or green nothing hurts me more than seeing the elderly and kids mistreated. So please vote the issues, and fight the issues not the party. There are things I agree with the Republicans on and Democrates on. If yoou are a party voter regardless the issue more tahan likely your an ill informerd idiot. Since, you have more faith in those pliticians than your own significant other, which I can gurnatee you never agree with 100% of the time.
MiltonMan
August 16th, 2011
1:28 pm
liberals just ignoring the facts as usual. The high foreclosure rates are due to dumb democrats who think owning a house is a right of every American – Fair Housing Act; Barney Frank, etc. Most foreclosures are in, you guessed it, strong Democratic crap holes.
Georgia has always been a laggard in terms of education. When Democrats were in charge for 130+ years education in this state was worse than it is now. And you know what, you guessed it, the crappy educational areas are strong Democratic crap holes – Clayton, DeKalb, APS, etc.
td
August 16th, 2011
1:34 pm
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:22 pm
So what you are really saying is every job is not a good job in no matter how bad people are hurting, domestic oil production is so bad that increaseing jobs in this market is not worth the price?
This is where your argument about raising taxes and supporting more stimulus spending has no merit in mine or at least half of the country. Libs talk a big game about jobs but when the tire meets the road then they do not want to do what it takes to allow private industry to provide those jobs.
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:36 pm
Yo milton,
Where is the highest rated public school in the State?
What public school fields a team in the We The People (knowledge of the Constitution) annually that usually WINS?
Hint: It ain’t in north fulton.
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
1:37 pm
honested posted: “I mentioned WEALTH CONTROLLED (and thereby economic power exercised over those of us in the lower 98%).”
So how do you propose to redistribute the wealth? You mention the lower 98%, but it is really the lower 99.8% who aren’t rich earning over $1 million/year, and lower 99.9% who aren’t mega-rich earning over $2 million/year.
honested posted: “I am simply attempting to point out that the President was correct in his CAMPAIGN in that those gaining most benefit should pay the most freight.”
O.K., but the the debate is over who and how much. We already have a steep progressive tax system (steepest in the industrial world) with most well off paying most of the freight.
honested posted: “It is sad he backed off in any increment.”
Ah, there we have it. Your small business probably would not be affected by returning to Clinton’s tax rates. You sound as if you agree with populist class warfare campaign speeches.
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:39 pm
td
What?
Quite the logic leap.
Do you grind turnips to make apple sauce?
And by the way, even during the bush depression, I have created plenty of jobs.
How about you?
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:40 pm
centrist
I do agree with the populist aspect of the speeches.
So what?
td
August 16th, 2011
1:42 pm
MiltonMan
August 16th, 2011
1:28 pm
Hit them were it hurts, the truth. I will put up the standardized test scores from East cobb, North Fulton and Forsyth county against anyone in the country and they will compete. Our educational standards in Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina are not going to get better until we have a cultural change in the Democratic community.
Unemployment rates in Republican communities are below the national average, foreclosure rates in Republican communites are below the national averages.
td
August 16th, 2011
1:43 pm
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:39 pm
td
What?
Quite the logic leap.
Do you grind turnips to make apple sauce?
And by the way, even during the bush depression, I have created plenty of jobs.
How about you?
I hired 4 people last week and my profits are up for the year.
honested
August 16th, 2011
1:44 pm
centrist
What say we just return to the tax rates of 1999 (when REAL employment was full and REAL prosperity not dependent on military production) and see if the job creators will get back to the business of creating jobs as they did then.
yellowdog
August 16th, 2011
1:52 pm
blah blah blah……im with MUM; thank you for setting the record straight; all of this has nothing to do with the georgia citizen looking for work, paying theiir taxes; sounds like a lot of ego-thumping by nameless white males hanging on to their elusive “power.: what a joke. more of the same…….they are all the same bureaucrats they put down in their us and them game. nonsense.
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
1:58 pm
@ honested – there was no Bush depression. But there was/is a recession during the Obama administration whose roots came from the housing bubble created by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd Fannie Mae changes during the Bush administration and budget deficits that have ballooned a lot more since.
Populism is defined as sociopolitical thought that compares “the people” against “the elite”. The problem is when the elite are defined as professionals and small business owners taxed high with earned income, instead of the truly wealthy taxed at lower capital gains rates on unearned income.
DannyX
August 16th, 2011
2:15 pm
“But there was/is a recession during the Obama administration whose roots came from the housing bubble created by Barney Frank…”
OMG!!!!11OMG!!!11OMG!!!OMG!!!, (I stole that from Kyle,) Barney Frank! Barney Frank!
Barney Frank took advantage of many Republican Georgia lawmakers. They were all under his submissive control. Barney pinned Tom Graves to the floor and forced a 2 million dollar loan down his throat. Frank dominated the soon to fail bank execs. He had them on their knees, begging Frank to stop making them hand out signature loans to Republican leaders. Frank had them all tied up in his devious plot, they couldn’t escape.
It was brutal Centrist.
LMAO
August 16th, 2011
2:23 pm
Dog Squeeze to you teebeggers
td
August 16th, 2011
2:44 pm
Just read Mitch Seabaugh’s response to the democratic claims that they did not have enough time. “The rules were set in April”. Well this puts a whole new light on the matter. If the rules were set and the Dems did not meet the deadline then to bad. Your actions have consequences. Do they think they are above the law or were they trying to play some silly game in not submitting their maps until they could study the Republican maps.
ahhkee
August 16th, 2011
2:48 pm
Republicans won! dems lost! Get over it! Dems did the same thing to the Republicans that they are accusing the Republicans of doing to them when they controlled the State government back in 2001!
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
2:54 pm
That’s funny – I didn’t see anything in the AJC about the rules having been set in April. They say the rules only allowed for 9 minutes.
RoadRanger
August 16th, 2011
2:55 pm
So what’s wrong with marginalizing the moocher class at the state level? We can only pray that it happens on the national level in 2012 with the ouster of the Prince of Fools; otherwise, our nation will have a very ugly future, e.g., London on fire.
n
August 16th, 2011
3:06 pm
Thanks DannyX. Your stuff is priceless.
td
August 16th, 2011
3:25 pm
0BAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier 0bama or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!
GOP record in GA
August 16th, 2011
3:28 pm
Since Barnes lost in 2002, what has the Republican majority done in Georgia to: increase employment; simplify the tax code; cut taxes; shrink government; increase graduation rates; improve HOPE; maintain our home values; improve traffic; strengthen ethics laws; and reduce crime? This is a decade-long record of state management. Instead of trying to compete with the Democrats pre-2002, we need to compete with Charlotte, Dallas, Phoenix. Nashville, etc. Ask yourself: are we setting ourselves up to improve our future vs other states? Will our kids be better off in 2022 with our current direction?
td
August 16th, 2011
3:59 pm
GOP record in GA
August 16th, 2011
3:28 pm
“Republican majority done in Georgia to: increase employment”
First the government does not control employment. We were at full employment until the recession hit. I guess you think state government caused the recession.
“simplify the tax code”
Our tax code is pretty simple. It could be better so I will give you that one.
“cut taxes”
You are a Dem so I know you did not mean this one, but we have went from $23 billion in revenue to $17.5 and the Republicans did not raise taxes unlike most of the Democratic run states.
“shrink government”
Government has been shrunk in some agencies by as much as 50 to 60%. I think you would have to say the Republicans have done an excellent job on this one.
“increase graduation rates”
Graduation rates are higher today then they have ever been in Georgia. Take out the children of Democrats and it would be a great deal better.
“improve HOPE”
Deal saved the program this year.
“maintain our home values;”
Housing bubble bust took that one out. I do not think you can blame a nationwide problem on the Republican leadership in Georgia.
” improve traffic”
I have noticed this week how much traffic has improved since the illegals are leaving. It could still be improved more with more roads in north metro.
“strengthen ethics laws”
Who rally cares about this one?
“reduce crime”
We have more people locked up now then at any time in the states history. Crime would reduce as well as education increased if some more Dems left the state.
Overall, considering we have been in the greatest recession since the great depression the Republicans have done a pretty good job. Could be better and will get better once they get those districts draw to give constitutional power.
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:03 pm
It is time to bring redistricting into the 20th century
computer model with a set parameter:
county, city, subdivision, potable water supply
Billy McKinney having Cobb County included in his district was bad
Packing the GOP into Fulton County to spin off the affluent is just as bad
td, whenever has two wrongs made a right?
td
August 16th, 2011
4:06 pm
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:03 pm
You can not do it that way my friend due to the voting rights act.
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:11 pm
td, Obama’s measurements do not go from 12/31/2008 because W set up the 2009 budget
But since you pointed it out, how did the deficit get from 1T under Carter to nearly 6T when Bubba took over?
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:13 pm
td, sure you can, the voting rights act does not require gerrymandering or packing
td
August 16th, 2011
4:13 pm
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:11 pm
Stupidity mostly, although a lot of it has to do with the growth of entitlement programs. Alas the formation of the tea party.
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:22 pm
M-1, M-2, MX
tax cuts while increasing defense spending
didn’t work for the Reagan so they double-downed with W
according to Cheney, deficits don’t matter
td
August 16th, 2011
4:25 pm
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:22 pm
I am pretty sure entitlement spending (especially on Medicaid, Medicare, Food Stamps, WIC) have increased more than defense spending during the same time period. Defense is an actual constitutional responsibility, I have not seen where entitlements are.
findog
August 16th, 2011
4:42 pm
ah my friend you are wrong
WAR is a federal function, defense is a post WWII unconstitutional addition
we have not been in a war since 1946
Offensive weapon systems: B1, B2, Y22, ect
Cadillac welfare queens cause much less economic harm than aerospace war profiteers
LMAO
August 16th, 2011
4:46 pm
It’s clear the job of @td is to run interference for the state GOP on message board. As a teebeggar he’s as stupid as they come. The GOP in Georgia is going to RAISE our taxes during the next session. Every “use” tax is going to be raised to pay for more bank failures and asphalt. It was stopped becuz some DEM stood up and told EVERYONE. Without that all of our taxes would go through the roof. He’s using selective memory as well. Guess he doesn’t recall Perdue taking the school busses off the street when gas prices were approaching $4 during the waining days of the Bush Administration.
@td tell your GOP hacks and teebaggars the truth.
The strategy is simple…make EVERYHTING about Washington and Obama. Don’t take responsibility for ANYTHING. Deflect and defer. Yes, those teebaggars are easy to rile up when you say it’s the BLACK GUYS FALT!!!!!!
Bull!!!!!
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
4:49 pm
@ findog
According to a 1996 report of the Joint Economic Committee of the United States Congress, during Reagan’s two terms, and through 1993, the top 10% of taxpayers paid an increased share of tax revenue to the Federal government, while the lowest 50% of taxpayers paid a reduced share of the tax revenue.
On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined, the American economy performed better during the Reagan years than during the pre- and post-Reagan years.
Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.
Reagan’s tax cuts, combined with an emphasis on federal monetary policy, deregulation, and expansion of free trade created a sustained economic expansion creating America’s greatest sustained wave of prosperity ever. The American economy grew by more than a third in size, producing a $15 trillion increase in American wealth. Every income group, from the richest, middle class and poorest in this country, grew its income (1981–1989).
td
August 16th, 2011
4:59 pm
LMAO
August 16th, 2011
4:46 pm
It’s clear the job of @td is to run interference for the state GOP on message board.
Could you please go and tell me where I need to go to get my pay check for this great job I am doing? Will you write me a reference?
“The strategy is simple…make EVERYHTING about Washington and Obama”
Everything is about Obama and Washington for this coming election cycle. Obama is the worst President this country has ever had (I never thought those words would come out of my mouth after Carter). This country has to get away from his socialist model and back to the free enterprise system. I do not care if he was black, white, yellow or green. I would be on these blogs saying the same thing because he is a SOCIALIST.
Did the truth get your panties in a wad today? Poor baby can not handle the truth.
ahhkee
August 16th, 2011
5:03 pm
payback is a bitch isn’t it Dems?
Centrist
August 16th, 2011
5:03 pm
Reagan is credited with wining the cold war by standing up to the Soviet Union which collapsed – creating the “Peace Dividend” that Clinton inherited. Reagan is in the top 10 of all major polls ranking Presidents with approval ratings consistently in the 70’s. He won the two biggest landslide elections in history. If it weren’t for his second term Iran – Contra mess, he would probably be at the top of most lists.
Of course, the extreme left (hence mainstream media and posters here) hate it.
GOP record in GA
August 16th, 2011
5:59 pm
Basically, there is no defense of the last 10 years of GOP state government except it is all Obama’s fault?
honested
August 16th, 2011
6:21 pm
centrist
Do you have history rewrite talking points in front of you?
‘ray-gun is credited with winning the cold war’ (but you left out, except by rational historians and people who are not wrong wingers). Tell me who was President when a guy named Lech Walesa set up an independent trade union in Gdansk Poland? It wasn’t ray-gun because he had not won his first primary yet. Who was President when coal miners in the Ukraine went on strike because they hadn’t been paid in years? Who was President when East Germans began gathering in churches to network on effective ways to step out from under the military dictatorship holding them down? Most of the former soviet Citizens who basically said ‘you can shoot us but we are not going to do this any more’ had no idea who ray-gun was. It was those brave Citizens who ‘ended the cold war’.
But ray-gun did give a rousing speech for the hoo-rah crowd.
And he did pi$$ away about 6 trillion on military hardware with little or no long term value.
Wouldn’t that have been better spent on education and infrastructure?
Maybe ‘apologist’ would be a better handle.
honested
August 16th, 2011
6:23 pm
‘gop’
Without Obama to blame, they would have to accept responsibility for their abject failure.
Their ability to suspend disbelief was clear at the redistricting hearing this afternoon.
honested
August 16th, 2011
6:25 pm
centrist
The second term was when ray-gun got caught for the treasonous behavior in Iran-contra.
It had been under way since about 1982.
This after the ray-gun administration had dismissed or reassigned most of the State Department Professionals who had experience in Central America and advised against the nonsense the ray-gun administration wanted to pursue.
honested
August 16th, 2011
6:28 pm
td
You wouldn’t know a socialist or socialism if it stepped forward and improved your miserable life.
A ’socialist’ Barack Obama ain’t (no matter what the wrong wing radio nuts tell you).
findog
August 16th, 2011
6:47 pm
Centrist, Reagan raised taxes more than any president ever
Sure things went well during his reign as we acclimated to quadrupedal oil prices and the fed reduced the crippling interest rates that were raised to battle inflation that killed Jimmy and our only real outstanding president in the modern era Ford
td
August 16th, 2011
8:18 pm
honested
August 16th, 2011
6:28 pm
td
You wouldn’t know a socialist or socialism if it stepped forward and improved your miserable life.
A ’socialist’ Barack Obama ain’t (no matter what the wrong wing radio nuts tell you).
I my friend do not have a miserable life and I listen to very little conservative talk radio. Most of my opinions are formed from the books I read and my own life experiences.
Now what to you call a person whose main core beliefs include redistributed wealth, government taking care of the people and social justice? Well from my own reading I believe that is called a socialist. Now you tell me O wise one a different definition?
honested
August 16th, 2011
9:19 pm
td
So where does this ‘redistributed wealth’ nonsense take it’s genesis?
Certainly not from the policies of this apparently conservative republican in Democrat drag president.
honested
August 16th, 2011
9:21 pm
td
I guess in your perfect world (everyone else’s nightmare) the government would eat people rather than ‘take care of them’.
td
August 16th, 2011
10:49 pm
honested
August 16th, 2011
9:21 pm
td
I guess in your perfect world (everyone else’s nightmare) the government would eat people rather than ‘take care of them’.
I think that may be more humane then see that hopeless look in a generational welfare client.
honested
August 16th, 2011
11:37 pm
td
Apparently, your cohorts did not learn from the experience bestowed upon the imperial French.
You may yet get your chance.
Alex Hamilton
August 17th, 2011
8:35 am
This is not a football game. I am always amazed at the us and them mentality in a country where our fortunes are inextricably intertwined. For those that are cheering that the Democrats lost, if that’s true, then we’re a one party state – like Russia or Egypt under Mubarrak. A one party general assembly is free to become the ruling class. Unless any of you are Uber rich and can buy their influence, a one party system is WAY not in your best interest. Wise up.
Alex Hamilton
August 17th, 2011
8:43 am
Another point. (though most have moved on from this blog) How is the creation of new government entities “less gov’t? In the last 6 or 7 years, the ruling party has created what now -4 or 5 new governments and talk of ADDING a county? Georgia doesn’t need less government. It needs less governments – say 100 counties instead of 159 and 200 or 300 cities instead of 600. How many unneeded councils, mayors police departments are there??
Alex Hamilton
August 17th, 2011
8:58 am
“Now you tell me O wise one a different definition?”
First redistribution of wealth is a weaselly term. Granted pure redistribution of wealth combined with collective ownership of the means of production is a socialist system. But our democratic experiment was founded on individualism, but not the Ayn Rand variety. We have always placed a huge value on every human life (see our battle protocols for the wounded). So a measure of redistribution has been the desire of the majority of the populace for most of our existence. Not pure redistribution, but enough to satisfy our consciences that we care about all of our citizens.
There is nothing in socialist dogma about the government taking care of people – that’s Leninism and their definition of “taking care” was strange indeed. No, socialism is about the public ownership of the means of production. That simply hasn’t been advocated by the current president. The one thing that might legitimately have been argued as a socialist move was the virtual take over of GM, but it was an odd circumstance and there was no intention that it be permanent. In fact, I believe progress is being made to return GM to a gov’t free company.
So, there’s your other definition.
Gary
August 17th, 2011
11:23 pm
I believe it was the current occupant of the WH that said elections have consequences. Well this is a consequence of the Republican victories. Sorry but you lost.
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God Bless USA
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1:24 pm
10 years of the BS..time to change and move on.
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