Your morning jolt: John Lewis joins six Republicans in vote against debt-ceiling bill

Last night’s vote in the U.S. House on a debt-ceiling deal ripped Georgia’s congressional delegation in two, with Democrat John Lewis of Atlanta joining six Republicans in a final condemnation.

In quoting Mohandas Gandhi, Lewis sounded not unlike some tea partyists we’ve run into: “’All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. All compromise on fundamentals is surrender. It is all give and no take.’ The Democrats gave and gave and gave, but we received nothing in return. This is not a fair deal. It is not a good deal. It is not a balanced compromise.”

Voting for the bill were two Republicans – Tom Price of Roswell, Rob Woodall of Lawrenceville – and four Democrats – David Scott of Atlanta, Sanford Bishop of Albany, John Barrow of Savannah, and Hank Johnson of Decatur.

Voting against the bill were congressmen with major military concerns in their districts: Phil Gingrey of Marietta, Austin Scott of Tifton, and Jack Kingston of Savannah. In a third round of budget cuts demanded by the debt-ceiling bill, if a committee of congressional negotiators can’t come to an agreement, across-the-board budget cuts would significantly affect defense spending.

Others who cast dissenting votes: Tom Graves of Ranger, Paul Broun of Athens, Lynn Westmoreland of Coweta County.

Post-vote statements from the delegation:

Paul Broun, R-Athens: “The Budget Control Act offers meager cuts at best; the majority of which will be implemented over a ten year time span. Most importantly, this blueprint for our country’s financial future does not address paying down our national debt.”

Sanford Bishop, D-Albany: “Passage of today’s legislation will enable our country to continue to pay its bills, avoid a default crisis and maintain fundamental commitments to working American families.”

Austin Scott, R-Tifton: “The uncertainty surrounding these defense cuts could have a devastating impact on thousands of jobs in Middle Georgia – a risk I’m not willing to take at a time when our unemployment rate continues to hover near double digits.”

Hank Johnson, D-Decatur: “Now that the Tea Party Republicans have taken their ransom from the American people – and left millionaires, billionaires and Big Oil unscathed – we must focus on creating jobs. President Obama turned a bad deal into one I could reluctantly support.”

Tom Price, R-Roswell: “There will be spending reductions greater in amount than any increase in the nation’s debt. There are no tax increases. For the first time in 15 years we will have the opportunity to hold Washington accountable by voting on a Balanced Budget Amendment and sending it to the states for ratification.”

Phil Gingrey, R-Marietta: “While this bill moves the ball in the right direction, it does not make the debt ceiling increase contingent upon passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. It further concerns me that tax increases could come into play as the newly created commission formulates its proposal and that the Department of Defense could be disproportionately affected by the process of sequestration.”

Tom Graves, R-Ranger: “The final deal before us today fails the match the magnitude of the crisis. In fact, it doesn’t come close. In exchange for giving President Obama the largest debt limit increase in United States history, the American people receive only $10 billion in savings over the next two years.”

A vote in the U.S. Senate is expected at noon today. U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson has stated an inclination to vote yes. His Georgia colleague Saxby Chambliss has yet to tip his hand.

Tea Party Patriots, a group with notable Georgia connections, condemned passage of the debt-ceiling measure last night, and urged supporters to urge Sens. Jim DeMint, Mike Lee and Rand Paul to conduct a filibuster.

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The state Public Service Commission today is expected to vote on an agreement abandoning a plan to trim Georgia Power’s profits if construction of a new nuclear power plant goes over budget.

The agreement, negotiated last, calls for dropping a plan that would have trimmed Georgia Power’s profits if the construction of two more nuclear reactors at Plant Vogtle near Augusta costs the Southern Co. subsidiary more than $6.4 billion. The company could have earned a boost in profits had the project come in under budget.

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With a redistricting session of the Legislature fast approaching, we have two census-oriented items worth looking at.

First is an interactive map producted by the Center for Urban Research at the City University of New York that illustrates the shift of minorities in metro Atlanta into the suburbs between 2000 and 2010. Likewise, it shows the dilution of the African-American population within the city of Atlanta. Click here to see it – it’s quite cool.

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Then we have this article in today’s Washington Post:

Affluent blacks and Hispanics live in neighborhoods that are noticeably poorer than neighborhoods where low-income whites live, according to a new study that suggests income alone does not explain persistent segregation patterns in housing.

Washington and Atlanta were the only two major metropolitan regions in the country that followed a slightly different pattern. In these two cities, the study found that the situation for high-income blacks and Hispanics was equal, but not worse, than that of low-income whites.

Prince George’s County near Washington and DeKalb County outside Atlanta are home to many African Americans with college degrees and good incomes, pushing up the average for their regions.

As a result, blacks and Hispanics in both cities who earned more than $75,000 lived in neighborhoods that were virtually the same as neighborhoods populated by whites earning under $40,000, as measured by average income, poverty rates, education levels, home values and housing vacancies.

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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia today takes a look at U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey’s claim that the 2010 health care reform law, “a bunch of bureaucrats decide whether you get care, such as continuing on dialysis or cancer chemotherapy.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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116 comments Add your comment

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

August 2nd, 2011
9:23 am

The only path to financial and moral solvency in Washington is justice for Bush’s and Cheney’’s 9/11 treason and full expropriation of the Anti-Christ Fifth Column fascist plutocracy which cheated them into power and profits from their treason.

Publius

August 2nd, 2011
9:30 am

Special tea for special people: Here’s a lineup of pork projects sought by those who cry and moan about Governent spending

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/us/politics/20freshmen.html

Publius

August 2nd, 2011
9:32 am

Oh, sorry. Meant to give a thumbs up to Congressman Lewis. He, unlike his collegues dissented for the right reasons.

Publius

August 2nd, 2011
9:32 am

Oh, sorry. Meant to give a thumbs up to Congressman Lewis. He, unlike his collegues, dissented for the right reasons.

Carl

August 2nd, 2011
9:42 am

The GOP has just thrown the Pentagon under the bus to protect big oil subsidies and tax breaks for the wealthy.

Yet their arrogance has blinded them from this simple truth.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have just succeeded in re-electing President Obama.

The only way the Obama could win 2012 when the unemployment will still be well above 7% is for the GOP to paint themselves into a corner with only the wealthy.

This ‘debt deal’ did next to nothing to cut spending, especially the way it was back-loaded, left open for future congress to play with.

It wasn’t about the ’success’ of the tea-party.

It wasn’t about ‘no revenues.’

It was about 2012.

And that is why – despite the shallow conservative chest-thumping and the shallow progressive whining – Obama has just cleaned the Republicans clock.

gm

August 2nd, 2011
9:44 am

I called AT&T, Vondage to get some customer service and all the reps were in the Philippines, instead of the tea party low class back wards idiots trying to discredit the President of the United States, they should be going after these companies that have sent our jobs overseas.

The avergage tea party idiot ” we need to cut spending but not my programs, these people are the worst Americans since the Klan”””

Jonathan P

August 2nd, 2011
9:48 am

Congressman Lewis you just lost my vote when it your time to run again and i hope that the people come out and vote you check your real record and see how your vote was cast and not vote for you. what a let down you are to us, and you do know that you have someone willing to run for your job and it time to see you out of office and some new life in office you have played out with what time it is now. you can count on not getting my vote and many more people vote.

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
9:53 am

gm-

Like you I don’t like American jobs going overseas. But you have to ask yourself the question of why is that happening. Business is like money, it goes where it is treated best. Let’s say you live in a small town with two banks, one pays 3% and the other pays 1% on savings. Where are you going to save?

Until America makes it more advantagous to do business here than overseas the problem will continue. I have said many times on this blog if we adopt the Fair Tax I and many experts think you will see both jobs and money parked in overseas accounts come flowing back to America.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
9:57 am

Gawd, my move from San Diego to Georgia has been sooooo dissappointing. Red-neck idiot racist homophobes represent us in Washington and in the State House in Atlanta. But I guess that’s the point of a “representative” government. The people that elected them are the same.

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
9:59 am

WPC-

We didn’t ask you to move here. We won’t ask you to leave. We also won’t shed a tear if you decide to return to the left coast.

td

August 2nd, 2011
10:05 am

gm

August 2nd, 2011
9:44 am

So instead of slowing down the unsustainable growth of Government and bankrupting our country, we should just give government a blank check to just keep spending?

Lord how I love you libs that want to leave our children and grandchildren with nothing but the bills. Do you not just feel so good about yourselves?

Before you come back and say Republicans are to blame I will go ahead and agree that both parties are selfish and only care about today.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
10:06 am

Rsoldier: I lived in the South for 25 years before moving to San Diego (a republican military town). People like you that vote for whomever has an “R” next to their name make life easy for (I’m assuming) feeble minded people such as yourself, but sure make it hard for those of us sifting through the mess of candidates to find a true patriot (George HW Bush comes to mind for me). I guess my only hope is that you someday become dyslexic and have to spend time learning about those people you voted for. But if not, you just keep looking for that “R”; and we’ll all hope it doesn’t mean “retarded”.

td

August 2nd, 2011
10:08 am

WPC: Delta flies to San Diego at least 5 times per day. I promise you we will not shed a tear if you decide to go back to your bankrupt state.

td

August 2nd, 2011
10:11 am

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
10:06 am

So I am guessing you think a person with a ‘D’ beside their name is a better choice? What makes that ‘D’ better? Barbara Boxer is a better Senator than the ones in Georgia? I guess you think Nancy Pelosi is a savior.

Centrist

August 2nd, 2011
10:19 am

As predicted, the deal is mostly accounting and political smoke and mirror gimmicks kicking the can down the road after the elections. Actual cuts and triggers don’t get invoked until 2014, so the Committee/Commission/Gang November report will be shelved like all other such reports. The triggers will be set aside by a new Congress and President (or Obama’s second term mandate). The decade old tax rates are scheduled to revert back to what they were in the Clinton years in 2014 regardless of their impact on the economy. Washington projections use static analysis to score those tax increases as straight revenue – disregarding businesses and taxpayers cutting back their income to avoid higher tax brackets, and the multiplier affect throughout the economy. Congress will likely extend all or some of the current tax rates to avoid the economic catastrophe (probably in a post election lame duck session like last year), and then some of the smoke clears from the purposely false debt projections requiring another debt limit increase and associated politics.

The reason that the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party is driving the debate is that enough voters understand that we have an overspending problem instead of an under-taxing one. Democrats will never agree to enough cuts in spending since that is how they buy most of their votes and campaign contributions. (Both parties buy campaign contributions with tax breaks to the TRULY wealthy individuals and corporations, and the Republicans pander to the the religious right).

Refugee from Dikkksie (Thank God We Escaped)

August 2nd, 2011
10:22 am

the loathsome worm Gingrey is another reason to be glad to be gone for the sweltering cesspit. Shave his silly moustache because Rush Limbaugh complained it tickled his perineum.

WPC – There are Nine Nations in N. America. Ecotopia works well for me, and it is far from A-holetopia, a land that celebrates ignorance and violence, and is surely going down hard. WPC, you need to get one of those special Jawja ‘G’s on your car – that will give you camoflage as a sho’ nuff Jawja Goober.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
10:23 am

Thanks, td. You have proved my point. I don’t look for a letter when I vote. Now please go back and re-read my comment (if you can). George HW Bush had an “R” next to his name in the 90’s (thought I’d put it in terms you could understand).

gm

August 2nd, 2011
10:29 am

td

Amazing now you are concern with your grand kids, were you concern when Bush added 4 trillion to the debt and raised the ceiling 7 times? Oh I get it, now that Obama is in office you have to look at things more carefully.
This kind of nonsense is why the tea party have no credibility with real honest Americans who are not hypocrites.

Centrist

August 2nd, 2011
10:37 am

Tax revenue peaked in 2008 and has essentially been higher than every previous year except during recession years. Our tax revenue now is still higher than it was in 2006. Spending deficits as a percentage of GNP have been under 4% since 1992 until Obama, when they leaped to double digits for the first time. This massive piled on debt required the biggest debt increase yesterday (by far) in our history. The added interest on that debt (which is all we are paying) is now killing us.

We don’t have a tax revenue problem – we have a government SPENDING problem.

Raising taxes only increases revenue in good economies when jobs are being created faster than lost through tax increase reactions. Reverting back to higher tax brackets is not likely to happen unless there is a considerable economic recovery – Congress gets it, even after Democrats spout populist “tax the rich” campaign rhetoric up to elections. That’s why the tax brackets didn’t go up last year, and why they won’t go up anytime soon.

Young Lady

August 2nd, 2011
10:42 am

So should someone tell Mr. Gingrey that most of the people recieving dialysis and chemo treatments are on Medicaid? Or should we just let him wallow in his own ignorance on that one?

Alternative title: Why yes the corporate bureacrats can deny your treatments…oh wait. You’re not supposed to tell the masses that.

Man this is like opening your mouth and inserting your foot. It’s hilarious.

Michael

August 2nd, 2011
10:42 am

Hopefully the uncertain millionaires and billionaires will start trickling down on us now.

ByteMe

August 2nd, 2011
10:50 am

The state Public Service Commission today is expected to vote on an agreement abandoning a plan to trim Georgia Power’s profits if construction of a new nuclear power plant goes over budget.

Can we also cut their profits if they do something stupid — like not retrofiting their old coal plants to keep them within regulations — that causes the EPA to fine them while they are out of compliance? Or is that something that shows up on my bill called “Environmental Impact Fees” that are not regulated and that we have no choice but to pay to make sure Georgia Power can continue to make a 10-12% profit?

td

August 2nd, 2011
10:53 am

gm

August 2nd, 2011
10:29 am
td

Amazing now you are concern with your grand kids, were you concern when Bush added 4 trillion to the debt and raised the ceiling 7 times? Oh I get it, now that Obama is in office you have to look at things more carefully

I griped and complained about Bush with NCLB and Medicare part D. They were nothing more than new government entitlement programs that only increased the chance of my children to live in a successful nation. Obama care will make these programs look small in comparison.

Just think about this for a minute: Under Obama care we will have 1 million more people eligible for Medicaid. The Feds will pick up 80% and the state will have to pay the other 20%. The cost to the state of Georgia starting in 2013 will be $2 to $3 billion more per year. Where is this money going to come from in Georgia? How many more teachers will have to be laid off to pay for medical coverage for people to sorry to get some for themselves? How will this effect our children?

ByteMe

August 2nd, 2011
10:55 am

How many more teachers will have to be laid off to pay for medical coverage for people to [sic]sorry to get some for themselves?

Gotta love them religious folks, always being their brother’s keeper and all that.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
10:59 am

Centrist: We have spent too much money and have too much debt. We agree. But let me tell you how I see this:

Imagine a family living high on the hog for several years (let’s say 2001 – 2008). They max out their credit cards, leverage their home with equity lines of credit and the wife has a problem with buying shoes. They’ve racked up $100K in debts. They can do one or a combo of two things: get an evening job to pay for these debts incurred during the “good times” (can you say “revenues”?); and/or they can raid their children’s college fund and stop contributing to it for (let’s say) 10 years (by that time the kid is in their 20’s). A reasonable person would do a combination of both, trying to minimize the impact on the poor kid that didn’t have anything to do with his parent’s debt problem. A morally bankrupt person (and lazy ass) would only raid the college fund and screw their kids for the next 10 years. So NOW we are bankrupt morally and economically. Thank you for disclosing to all of us which person you are.

Dirty Dawg

August 2nd, 2011
11:03 am

Hey centrist…the cumulative effect of the ‘tax cuts’…two, previously carried ‘off the books’ wars, finally, added to the total spending reports…an economy that Republicans refuse to allow a black, Democratic President do stuff to save…a Medicare Drug bill that was initiated only as a ’sop’ to Big Pharma, the financial impact of which didn’t ‘hit the books’ until Obama’s budget year(s)…impact of the ‘TARP’ and stimulus spending – the TARP being Bush’s baby – needed to head off, or at least get the stampede turned when it came to the Wall Street financial disaster…I could go on, but the point is don’t you try to hang this ‘deficit’ crap on the Democrats. Your boy Bush and ‘the man behind the cretin’, Cheney, made this all possible and why they’re not in effin jail is the main issue I have with Obama – at least until yesterday.

Young Lady

August 2nd, 2011
11:05 am

How many more teachers will have to be laid off to pay for medical coverage for people to sorry to get some for themselves? How will this effect our children?

So where’s your concern about the kids that are going hungry in Georgia every night? Or the ones being abused and neglected. I get very very tired of this ‘THINK OF THE CHILDREN’ line because people like you don’t mean it because you don’t give a care about anyone but your own. So get off that lie. We can all see through it and the more you repeat it the more hollow it is. A true person would act on it instead of repeating it ad nasueam on the internet.

But back to the topic at hand you’d see that Georgia’s finances are in a bad place before the increased Medicaid rolls increase. Heck we can’t keep up with the Medicaid rolls now because of the current budget cuts. The issue is that GA doesn’t take in enough money to pay it’s own bills now so yeah it does have a serious problem and one that can’t be fixed by cutting funding anymore. Something Republicans are going to have to realize in a hurry. We’re going to have to raise some kind of revenue if we’re going to keep some kind of semblance of modern standards of service and I’m simply talking about roads, education, etc. that are by law the state’s responsibility. This is not something that can be fixed by cuts. Most of these things are cut to the point they cannot be cut further without impeding quality of service. Most of you don’t seem to see that we’re at the point something has tip towards the coffers as well.

RGB

August 2nd, 2011
11:06 am

White Practicing Catholic:

Is calling people “retarded”, “feeble”, or hoping they get dyslexia part of what you learned in the Catholic church?

Or did you just make that part up on your own.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
11:08 am

No, the church didn’t teach me that. I got that from my republican, racist father! (. . . . and go to confession).

RGB

August 2nd, 2011
11:08 am

@Dirty Dog:

Those who blame our multi-year economic crisis on President Bush are curious individuals indeed. Indeed, President Bush contributed greatly to our economic mess by amassing deficits greater than any of his predecessors. But President Barack Hussein Obama was sworn into office on January 19, 2009—nearly three years ago. Nobody expects overnight success when a new president takes office, but is the needle swinging in the right direction? It is indubitably not.

If we could transport ourselves back in time to the year 2000 and leverage that which we now know about President Bush, we could choose not to vote for him. In doing so—and assuming there would be a more fiscally responsible president—we could avoid some of the pain we are now experiencing.

But I am at a loss to locate the technology to accomplish that. Can you help?

RGB

August 2nd, 2011
11:11 am

WPC:

It’s obvious that you’re a fast learner.

DannyX

August 2nd, 2011
11:12 am

“I griped and complained about Bush with NCLB and Medicare part D.”

Who cares what you complained about, you want to give the same people that did all this damage. Right under your nose these same people are doing the same thing again.

Tea Party darling Nathan Deal is still begging Washington for more funds, including a trip begging for more strings attached federal education money. He’s gone begging for transportation funds, education funds and a pet dredging project.

As Publius @ 9:30 pointed out, the freshmen Tea Party drama queens are now stuffing themselves with pork, probably “because it’s FREE!!!!”

Did you gripe and complain when you voted for career politician, ex-Democrat, ethically challenged, personally bankrupt, government money loving, big government, “no-bid,” ‘friends and family’ Nathan Deal?

Centrist

August 2nd, 2011
11:15 am

@ Catholic – so how is that I am morally and economically bankrupt? Because I want the government to actually cut spending and not raise taxes in a bad economy?

@ Dirty – no doubt the poppped housing bubble handed Obama a bad economy (which he made worse with automotive and other industry bailouts, wasteful stimulus handouts, etc.). But making up “off the books”, using the race card, and wanting to send Cheney to jail because of your hard over leftist partisanship doesn’t help your side’s argument.

Signing off for a while as I get some work done. With no centrists posting – good luck to the few R’s here being overrun by the AJC leftists.

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
11:17 am

WPC- If you lived in the south for 25 years prior, what’s your beef? If you don’t think racial relations have improved you are wrong. I vote for conservatives, most happen to be republicans. If you can point to any conservative democrats I’ll be happy to consider them.

Feeble minded? I’m tempted to say stick and stones, but I’m very comfortable in what I have accomplished in my life, both pre and post feeble. But I do hope you have a good day.

dixiesdemons

August 2nd, 2011
11:19 am

White Practicing Catholic you are a breath of fresh air !!! You will find that most of the folks on this blog can’t think for themselves but they can repeat what they heard Ru$h, $arah , or the Tea Party Klan say.

DannyX

August 2nd, 2011
11:19 am

“– no doubt the poppped housing bubble handed Obama a bad economy (which he made worse with automotive and other industry bailouts, wasteful stimulus handouts, etc.). But making up “off the books”, using the race card, and wanting to send Cheney to jail because of your hard over leftist partisanship doesn’t help your side’s argument.”

Nothing centrist about that post at all. Do you have any centrist views, or are you mainly extremist?

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
11:22 am

Danny X-

You keep returning to Medicare part D and yes the republicans where wrong there. You forget to tell the rest of the story. The democrats voted against it because their more generous program had been voted down.(higher price) In other words if left up to the democrats it would have been worse! Please tell the whole story.

Young Lady

August 2nd, 2011
11:22 am

Centrist- I’d say pretty much all of you have a poor grasp of economics since no one here understands that all of these spending cuts and tax breaks that have been enacted so far have done nothing but worsen unemployment and destroy what little economic recovery we’ve had. But never let facts get in the way of your fun little narrative; people seem to forget that the stimulus wasn’t that much and we’ve cut more than was spent especially in regards to state and local governments. Oh what a tangled web you like to weave!

RGB

August 2nd, 2011
11:26 am

Wow, that article cited by Publius is most damning.

One congressman wanted to dredge the Charleston harbor so that larger ships could conduct commerce there. And he wanted it included in an appropriations bill rather than getting it funded via an earmark as his predecessor did so as to have transparency. He claimed it would create more jobs. The recklessness of the Tea Party in the person of Rep. Tim Scott.

Another congressman wanted to build a ship for the military. We just can’t have that. Midnight basketball would be a better use of the funds.

Another wanted to spend taxpayer dollars on the reconstitution of beaches which, while not the role of the federal government, seems almost noble compared to baling out the automakers, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, financial institutions, insurance companies, trade unions, student loan business–shall I continue.

You’ve cornered us there.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
11:27 am

Centrist: You (or should I say people that talk like you) are morally bankrupt because you won’t realize that you got us into this mess and you want out of it as painlessly as possible. Get a spine, act like an adult, and get an evening job (revenues) and cut back on expenses. Its called a “balanced approach”.

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
11:29 am

Young lady-

Higher taxes create jobs? Interesting!

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
11:32 am

WPC-

How much do you want your federal taxes to increase?

RGB

August 2nd, 2011
11:32 am

“….no one here understands that all of these spending cuts and tax breaks that have been enacted so far have done nothing but worsen unemployment and destroy what little economic recovery we’ve had.”

Young lady, would you please tell me where we’ve had spending cuts?

And what tax breaks are you talking about?

And what was their “cost”?

I need a little detail around your narrative.

td

August 2nd, 2011
11:33 am

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
10:59 am

Or there is a third option. They can go on a diet of rice and beans and start selling off assets to raise the money to pay off the debt. Why can we not sell of oil drilling rights in Alaska, the gulf, open with to Shale exploration on the continental shelf, build more refineries, lease more grazing land in our national parks? These all would raise revenue while at the same time create jobs and put more people working that would intern increase the number of tax payers and taxes? At the same time you freeze the level of spending to its current level (no more automatic increases for agencies) and you put all these savings as debt reduction.

What is wrong with this plan?

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
11:36 am

Sounds good td.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
11:40 am

Retired Soldier: I am somewhat wealthier than the average person and much of my income is structured as a capital gain (14%). My ordinary income is taxed at 28%, but represents only about 30% of the total. So my effective rate is 17%. While I would like to thank you and yours for that gift; it is not needed. Also, I have no children, so I have no real “game” in this “future of America” discussion. I also do not care about YOUR (and those like you) offspring and their future. I simply love America and that is why I wouldn’t mind paying more taxes and delaying my SS and Medicare benefits. I can afford it (luckily and through the grace and kindness of God). And you (keeping in mind that if you don’t make more than $250K, you, unlike me, will not be impacted)?

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2011
11:44 am

Can’t answer a simple question? How much do you wnat the federal government to raise your taxes?

td

August 2nd, 2011
11:44 am

Dirty Dawg

August 2nd, 2011
11:03 am

Democrats controlled the house (super majority), Senate (60 votes filibuster proof) and the White house for two years. What happened:

Why did the Dems not repeal the Medicare part D entitlement if it was so just a bill to support pharmaceutical industry?

Why did they not let the Bush tax cuts expire? Obama signed a Democratic bill to extend them so now they are the Obama tax cuts.

Why did they not bring the troops home? The Dems increased the number in Afghanistan and started a third war.

Why did they not repeal TARP? No they added to it by bailing out the unions in the auto industry.

And to this a $1 trillion stimulus package that failed and the biggest entitlement program in the history of the country in Obama care.

Yep it is all the Republicans fault.

JSH

August 2nd, 2011
11:45 am

WPC – I don’t believe there is a law that states you have to pay 17% in taxes. You may pay as much as you like. So pay and help all of us out.

White Practicing Catholic

August 2nd, 2011
11:49 am

Rsoldier: I’d say about 11% more so that I would pay the same as my executive assistant who makes $55K. And for every dollar above $1M, I would like to pay 5% more.

Given that you are retired and living off the federal government (and possibly collecting SS and Medicare), I’m sure you would feel the same, right?