Austin Scott joins Georgia Republicans in favor of John Boehner debt-ceiling plan
Over the course of the day, we’ll try to keep up with where Georgia’s Republicans are on House Speaker John Boehner’s debt-ceiling/deficit reduction plan, which will probably be voted on after the markets close today.
Some of you have wondered why we’re not counting Democrats. They’ve pretty much lined up against the legislation — this is primarily an internal GOP fight. At this point, we count five Republicans in favor, three against.
A 6 p.m. vote has been postponed while Boehner’s troops collect votes. Consider every vote essential:
U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, R-Coweta County, indicates he’s ready to support House Speaker John Boehner’s debt-ceiling plan. Bob Andres, bandres@ajc.com
– Lynn Westmoreland of Coweta County: This morning, he indicated he’s a “yes” vote.
“Having looked at the whole thing, I think we did make some positive adjustments with a few little changes we made. It looks like we’re getting about 60 percent of what the [Paul] Ryan budget did. We are stopping the growth, changing the baseline,” Westmoreland told Jamie Dupree of AM750 and 95.5FM News/Talk WSB. “While we’re still heading toward the iceberg, we are turning the Titanic a little bit.”
– Tom Graves of Ranger: A strong no vote. “Compromise is what’s led us to the mess we’re in right now. We can’t compromise our way out of this,” Ranger said in a Wednesday morning C-SPAN defense of his decision to oppose the Boehner plan
– Paul Broun of Athens: A strong no.
– Tom Price of Roswell: In an interview with Rob Johnson on WGST (640AM) this morning, Price strongly hinted that he’ll vote for the revised debt-ceiling/deficit reduction package pitched by House Speaker John Boehner – if he can be assured that House Republicans will be allowed to vote on a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced federal budget on Friday.
“Companioned with a balance budget amendment,” Price said, “That’s a reasonable course of action at this time.” The congressman, of course, added that the Boehner package doesn’t include as many budget cuts that he’d ideally like to see.
– Austin Scott of Tifton: Listed as “leaning yes” by The Hill newspaper in Washington. “I’m looking forward to reading the final draft, checking the numbers and everything in it. But I’ll tell you this: The speaker’s got a lot more votes than the people who don’t want it to pass say he has,” Scott said Wednesday in an interview with Jamie Dupree of AM750 and 95.5FM News/Talk WSB.
Scott said he is most worried about the impact that federal government’s inability to pay its bills would have on the economy. “The longest way out of this recession is to allow the default – so that’s not an option, in my opinion,” he said.
CNN lists Scott as one of the most heavily lobbied targets of Boehner’s leadership team.
At 8:20 p.m., Dupree had this quote from Scott:
“It is the most responsible option and I plan to vote for it tonight.”
– Jack Kingston of Savannah: Listed as undecided by Hotline and The Hill newspaper. But this morning, Kingston indicated he, too, will back the Boehner plan:
“I think it’s the last chance we have to do something sane,” Kingston said in an interview with Frank Barnas of Newstalk105.9 WVGA in Valdosta. “What I don’t want to be in next week is, you’re past the deadline, the Social Security checks, the veterans’ checks get put on hold, the market drops 500 points – then what we’ll see is a panic by the politicians in Washington to, okay, raise the debt ceiling $3 trillion and no strings attached.”
– Phil Gingrey of Marietta: Decidedly no.
– Rob Woodall of Lawrenceville: In a test vote this afternoon, Woodall indicated in a floor speech that he should be considered a “yes” vote.
“This bill does not do everything I want it to do,” he said. “But do you know what this does do? This says we’re not going to increase the credit line by a penny unless we’re cutting a penny, too.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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176 comments Add your comment
dixiesdemons
July 28th, 2011
1:03 pm
Does the pres still have the power of the veto or does this bill cover that too ???
marcus
July 28th, 2011
1:06 pm
Dixie…how did you make it out of school?
Alabama Communist
July 28th, 2011
1:09 pm
While we’re still heading toward the iceberg, we are turning the Titanic a little bit.”* Quote..lol….more like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as she sinks like the USA into a phony Republican Paradise Ocean…
dixiesdemons
July 28th, 2011
1:09 pm
With Tea Party hulp
RD
July 28th, 2011
1:15 pm
Tom Price is an absolute disgrace to his constituents. He does not listen to those that elected him and continues to genuflect to his comrades in the GOTP…Good Ole Tea Party.
The country is going down the drain and TP is the Drano!
the original and still the best John Galt
July 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
Don’t worry, the Republicrats and Demopublicans will strike a deal. Then they will keep right on printing money just like before.
The “Titanic” that is the U.S. government struck the iceberg long ago, and there’s no way to keep it afloat now. What would be required for keeping it afloat is not politically viable, and therefore won’t be done by any politician needing votes.
The best our supposed “leaders” can hope for is to stave off the inevitable until they are out of office.
Westmoreland no Tea bagger
July 28th, 2011
1:22 pm
More hypocrisy from our “conservative” congressman. He runs on being conservative, talks like one then when the pressure is on he falls in line, He has been there too long and adopted the Washington ways. He moves up the ranks over a few years by claiming to be something that he quickly runs from when the leadership that doles out a little power puts the squeeze on. What is it about DC and power that changes these guys – must be good stuff he is getting.
Fish Hugger
July 28th, 2011
1:23 pm
In other news, House Democrats sat on their hands, except when they needed to use them to shoot down any idea proposed by the House Republicans. One un-named Democratic Congressman said of the Republicans, “They are BAAAAAd people.”
A Conservative Voice
July 28th, 2011
1:24 pm
@marcus
July 28th, 2011
1:06 pm
Dixie…how did you make it out of school?
She attended an APS School
roughrider
July 28th, 2011
1:26 pm
I have as question for the republicans. If they are so good handling the budget, why did we have an economic meltdown in 2007?
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
1:32 pm
roughrider-
We didn’t, the meltdown was in 2008. Next question please.
roughrider
July 28th, 2011
1:35 pm
Same question. Why did we have the meltdown under Bush if the republicans are so good at budgeting?
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
1:39 pm
roughrider-
Now to your question. Please define budget and economy for me. The answer is they are compelely seperate things and have little to nothing to do with each other.
The major factor in the meltdown of 2008, in my opinion, is the lack of restraint in the housing market thanks to Dodd and Frank. I’ll let you guess what party they are/where from.
FDR
July 28th, 2011
1:40 pm
Hang in there dixiesdemons. I appreciate your shot at the right wing extremists/tea-partiers who aren’t bright enough to see that they were just skewered.
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
1:43 pm
FDR-
Easy for you to say since you started this mess.
FDR
July 28th, 2011
1:49 pm
Retired Soldier-
I’m not the former president. My FDR stands for “Formerly Dumb Republican.”
jimbo
July 28th, 2011
1:54 pm
Formerly dumb?
MB
July 28th, 2011
2:02 pm
The house has already passed a good plan called Cut, Cap and Balance. Further compromise will only lead to greater deficits. I for one can not handle another tax increase that the President is pushing and I am tired of him saying that no one that makes under $250K will be affected. Please, with a stroke of his pen he can increase payroll taxes that affect all of us!
When will the Democrats wake up and smell the coffee!
Real American
July 28th, 2011
2:06 pm
THese same nuts hollering about “fiscal restraint” had no problem with the Rove Administration paying for 2 wars on credit and keeping those costs off the books…hidden until it couldn’t be hidden anymore.
KILJOY
July 28th, 2011
2:06 pm
@Dixiesdemons, it depends upon which bill you’re talking about. Your question is not stupid if you mean the Balanced Budget Amendment. If that bill passed both the House and Senate the President could not veto it. That bill would immediately go to the fifty states for ratification. However, if you’re talking about the debt limit or budget bills, the President can veto either.
jconservative
July 28th, 2011
2:12 pm
CBO on the latest Boehner plan:
“…CBO estimates that the legislation would reduce budget deficits by about $1.1 trillion between 2012 and 2021.” And “Establish procedures to increase the debt limit by up to $2.5 trillion,”
CBO on the latest Reid plan:
“CBO estimates that the legislation would reduce budget deficits by about $2.2 trillion between 2012 and 2021…” And “Increase the debt limit by $2.7 trillion,”
Now there was a plan to reduce the budget deficits by $4 trillion, $3 trillion in spending cuts and $1 trillion from closing tax loopholes. This is the plan Eric Cantor walked away from a couple of weeks ago.
So instead of budget reductions of $4 trillion it appears we will settle for budget reduction of $1.1 trillion (Boehner plan).
Apparently reducing budget deficits is just not the important item the Tea Party pretended it was last November.
This whole charade is the way we have created a $14.5 trillion National Debt in the last 30 years.
When it comes to cutting spending all we do is talk and pretend.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
p/s – See cbo.gov to read the complete reports.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
2:20 pm
Westmoreland is a goon. Remember when he was pushing for the 10 Commandments to be posted in every federal building (courthouses) and when he was asked to recite the 10 Commandments he could not? His stupid supporters thought it was a trick question!!
The state these guy represent has serious employment, infrastructure and education problems. But they all consistently fail to do things that specifically address those concerns for us who live in Georgia.
gsueagle
July 28th, 2011
2:26 pm
hope everyone remembers these so-call conservatve republicans in the election. and vote their fannies out.
Truth
July 28th, 2011
2:28 pm
I think I have come to the Tea Party’s side now. We must stop increasing our debt immediately.
Fayette Citizen
July 28th, 2011
2:30 pm
We need someone to run against Mr. Westmoreland.
The Snark
July 28th, 2011
2:31 pm
Someone should remind Congressman Ranger that the last time Americans refused to compromise, we ended up with 600,000 dead and Reconstruction.
Veteran Observer
July 28th, 2011
2:32 pm
What about the Dems, Jim or do they just march in lockstep with Pelosi and Reid?
R U Kidding Me?
July 28th, 2011
2:36 pm
Goodbye Graves
Goodbye Broun
Goodbye Gingrey
Enjoy your last term in Congress and Good Riddance!
cs
July 28th, 2011
2:36 pm
wow. kingston is going to vote for another one-sided bill. surprise surprise. the lot of them have no credibility. they “serious” about cutting spending then refuse to support a bill to cut taxpayer funded racecars in nastycar. they “serious” about cutting spending then vote to keep sending hundreds of millions of dollars to brazillian cotton growers etc etc etc they “serious” about cutting spending yet approved a 638 billion war mongering bill. they mean what the say too, like passing the bush tax cuts under the condition they would expire later…now they running away from that agreement.
Peter
July 28th, 2011
2:42 pm
Regan raised the debt ceiling 17 times is that correct ?
Ok when Republican’s are president I guess, cause they like Big Government, and Big spending…..in fact WAR is their favorite, since they are Christian !
Peter
July 28th, 2011
2:49 pm
What did George Bush budget for the Iraq War ? 300 Million……hahahaha.
Reminds me of how the Republican’s said the GA 400 toll would be shut down after the road was paid for…. HA HA HA HA !
Seems like the foxes want to run the chicken houses !
But hey don’t raise any taxes the Rich please, they are going to stop shopping at Tiffany’s !
Funny the Republican’s in office are already rich….so Social Security is not their issue, or medicare, or housing, in fact what do Republican’s or Democrat’s in Washington have in common with the American average person ?
That is the problem….the guys in Washington get all for free…….and so they want us to pay to keep their life style going for them.
Cobbian
July 28th, 2011
2:52 pm
All this hoopla over something that won’t pass the Senate and would get vetoed by the President if it did.
Boehner is game playing, trying to act as if his bill is some sort of compromise. It won’t fly. More than 60% of Americans want tax increases included in a deficit deal. Call this what it really is – an empty gesture to the non-Tea Party Republicans and indendents. It is a futile attempt to pretend Boehner is doing something worthwhile and important. The value of the bill is as fake as Boehner’s tan.
Sam I Am
July 28th, 2011
2:56 pm
The Republican controlled house passed a 17 billion increase in the defense budget two weeks ago, I guess cutting costs in a new thing.
td
July 28th, 2011
3:07 pm
RD
July 28th, 2011
1:15 pm
“Tom Price is an absolute disgrace to his constituents”
Really, I am betting 70% of those constituents would disagree with you.
How about this statement: If Lewis, Scott, Barrow and Johnson do not get behind this bill then they are a disgrace to their constituents.
td
July 28th, 2011
3:10 pm
Cobbian
July 28th, 2011
2:52 pm
Where is the Dems plan? Where is the Presidents plan? Why does the Senate pass a plan that can not pass the house?
MB
July 28th, 2011
3:10 pm
Cobbian…
Please show us the 60% of Americans who want a tax increase. The American public is taxed to death and we must have tax relief if we want to have our economy to start growing again.
td
July 28th, 2011
3:12 pm
R U Kidding Me?
July 28th, 2011
2:36 pm
Would you like to lay a bet on that statement?
td
July 28th, 2011
3:19 pm
Peter
July 28th, 2011
2:49 pm
You do realize that the Dems in Congress are way richer then the Republicans?
Jeff
July 28th, 2011
3:24 pm
Obama has increased the debt more than all the previous Presidents combined. Unemployment has risen from 6% when he took office to over 10%. His crazy spending must be stopped. Taxing the rich and big oil is not the answer, it is plain and simple class warfare. The Democrats oldest trick in the book. I have two questions for the Dems. 1. How many poor people have you ever gotten a job from? 2. If you tax the oil companies who will pay the taxes? Answer to question 1 is zero. Answer to question 2 is the people that buy the gas which means every American that drives a car would get a tax increase. Hopefully these points weren’t too complicated for the Libs. to understand. Wake up people. Your Democratic leaders are lying to you.
Coach
July 28th, 2011
3:28 pm
Cobbian, 90% of the people that want tax increases don’t pay taxes. 90% of the people that pay taxes don’t want new taxes.
On the top of that, you should be glad your taxes go to pay all the 49% workforce in the schools in South Georgia.
Red
July 28th, 2011
3:29 pm
Please keep in mind that the Congress was under full control of DEMOCRATS in 2007. So as the economy began its decline, the Democrats remained on a course of irresponsible spending. While W shares his part to this, it was a Democrat controlled Congress (Reid and Pelosi and even Obama when he decided to show up and vote) that were behind this increase in spending. The Democrats did NOTHING to stop it. So if Bush is to blame, then it be logical to blame Democrats who were in Congress during this period – which includes our beloved President as well.
Also keep in mind that spending, even outside of the bailouts and TARP, greatly continued increasing as Democrats gained the White House. So for the past five years Democrats have controlled the budget in Congress and the past three Democrats have also controlled the power of the pen from the White House. The “Blame Bush and Republicans” mantra is old, outdated, and just factually inaccurate.
Before the GOP regained the House, Dems were fully aware of what would happen. They were told this was coming. The fact they continued spending of money we did not have showed they cared less. Instead of addressing the issue they added to it and paid more attention to Obamacare. We see where the priorities were then. So to the fools who keep harping on Republicans, I remind you of who was actually in control of Congress and the White House. Who did NOTHING to stop a problem we ALL were aware of? If Bush is to blame, why did the Democrats just not only continued Bush’s irresponsible policies but added to them? Rubber stamping a bad policy makes you just as guilty.
Coach
July 28th, 2011
3:29 pm
I wish I could lock in futures on loaves of bread.
DannyX
July 28th, 2011
3:30 pm
Well what about state Republicans, why no love for them?
Our Georgia Republican leaders want voters to break their own “no new taxes” pledge by cowardly asking the voters to approve a mangled new regional sales tax. They want to raise taxes.
The Republicans here are responsible for all the high fives going on at the Georgia Power lobbyist offices lately. Republicans handed them a huge windfall, profits at their parent company rocketed up thanks to the Georgia Power residential only rate hike.
Property taxes too high? First thing Republicans did at the start of the Bush recession was to take away the state property tax exemption costing most homeowners $300 a year. Nice thing for those struggling with a mortgage.
Georgia leads the nation in bank failures and our Republican leaders are waist deep in it.
Our governor is broke.
Sonny was begging Obama for stimulus money. He even begged for money on behalf of every single Republican Governor.
Of course the planned state sales/income tax re-do was a disaster that had to be withdrawn it was so bad.
Republicans are crazy, they should not be governing.
CobbCtyCPA
July 28th, 2011
3:32 pm
I emailed Cong. Gingrey this morning to let him know of my opposition to his position and to request that he support, at a minimum, the Speaker’s bill. His understanding of economics, the domestic and global financial markets and governmental finances is clearly not as sophisticated as his constituents need them to be. (Perhaps he should attend some economics courses at Kennesaw State University?) I am sure that my voice will go unheeded as more notable figures than I have pointed out the grave errors of congress continuing on this collision course.
Cong. Gingrey will not be getting my vote during the next election. His opponent will be receiving a campain donation from me in support of an alternative choice for his congressional seat.
(Let’s raise taxes……let’s cut spending. Let us continue to lead this country through the economic disaster that we have all created. We can adjust our fiscal policy later, when the time is proper. As John Maynard Keynes succintly noted, “in the long run, we will all be dead.”
cs
July 28th, 2011
3:36 pm
Jeff
July 28th, 2011
3:24 pm
youre a kook. oil is a commodity. it doesnt matter what the corporate tax rate is for oil companies, it doesnt effect the price at the pump.
RD
July 28th, 2011
3:38 pm
td
Tom Price is an absolute joke in Congress. The man thinks only about himself and not his constituents. I know because I have contacted my representative and he does not hear, although I helped to elect him. Think logically and you know that “compromise” is not a foreign thing….it’s how our democracy has been run for decades and now the chickens have come home to roost. WE NEED LEADERSHIP, not Republican congressional isolationists.
ricardus
July 28th, 2011
3:41 pm
All the above comments prove one thing….there’s not a damn bit of difference between a Republican and a Socialist-democrat. I don’t bother to vote anymore.
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
3:50 pm
FDR-
I replied tongue in cheek.
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
3:55 pm
Peter-
Republicans like war?
WWI- Wilson
WWII- Roosevelt
Korea- Truman
Vietnam- Kennedy/Johnson
And your point was?
RL
July 28th, 2011
4:04 pm
CobbCtyCPA
July 28th, 2011
3:32 pm
Well said! I will be doing the same for my Congressman Tom Price… vote against and contribute to opponent.
BuckheadBill
July 28th, 2011
4:07 pm
Dr. Broun, when you run against Johnny Isackson, you have my vote.
middleclass centralist
July 28th, 2011
4:07 pm
Congressmen Graves, Broun, Gingrey, and the rest of the right wing House Republicans will allow our country to default just ot protect the wealthiest 1%. They are prostitutes to the rich and don’t give a rat’s a$# for the other 99%. A balanced approach of rvenue increases and budget cuts is the answer. Thes right wing fanatics in Congress should cut their own salaries and staff by half to show they are serious about cutting spending. Where were all these fiscal conservatives when Bush increased the deficit by 86% during his rein of terror? It’s time to brand the Tea Party nust as domestic terrorists whose aim is to destroy our economy.
RL
July 28th, 2011
4:08 pm
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
3:55 pm
The wars you listed while the country was led by great men were not wars of choices (although you could debate that regarding Vietnam). We should have gone into Afghanistan but Iraq was/is a a $1,000,000,000,000+ debacle. And while I am at it Bush cut taxes by $1,800,000,000,000+ at I time he was fighting two wars. And some people wonder why we are in the mess we are in. Where have you been for the last ten years?
Tom
July 28th, 2011
4:09 pm
Jeff – “Your democatic leaders are lying to you”? Ever heard about the pot and the kettle? Check your facts. Unemployment rate was 7.8 or 8.0 when Obama took office….and quickly rising. Quit spewing your lies and check your facts. If I had another 30 seconds, I could show how you lied several more times in your comments. You are not worth the effort. Lies don’t advance the conversation. Quit spewing your lies and check your facts.
Linusssi
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
The only way to correct any of these problems is with term limits. As long as we allow these guys to be career politicians, they will only worry about getting reelected.
td
July 28th, 2011
4:11 pm
RD
July 28th, 2011
3:38 pm
I do not know if this is true or not. I am not in Price’s district. I just know that he won re election by more than 70% of the vote. All I am saying is his own constituents must be pretty happy as a whole.
RL
July 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
Tom, the problem with Jeff is either he is hyper political and does not care about what is right for the country or clueless. He seems to have no interest in actual facts… which is the problem with a lot of people out there. They believe Rush or whatever bobble head the listen to…. nothing but a bunch of ditto heads and/or political hacks who care about nothing but beating the other side.
Atlantan
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
@Retired Soldier Libya – Obama
These R’s supporting Boehner’s new plan should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves. A yes vote should be an immediate apology to their constituent’s children and grandchildren. They took the easy way out and kicked the can down the road. They are spineless and have serious integrity and credibility issues. The Boehner plan is a joke.
Atlantan
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
@RL and other assorted closed-minded Democrats – Obama just extended the Bush Tax Cuts so aren’t they now Obama’s tax cuts? Get over yourself and your idiocy….
Red
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
A balanced approach is the answer? More revenue only means more spending and therefore more debt. If you think all revenue brought in would be solely applied to the debt, you went to Atlanta Public Schools. Add to the fact that it would require an enormous amount of revenue well beyond that ‘rich 1%’ you refer to to get the debt down. At least 46% of the debt burden is already being paid by those making $250K plus. To get the debt down you would have to tax even the Middle Class.
You HAVE to have dramatic cuts in spending to reduce the deficit. Note the states that have seen drastic cuts are now rebounding with many in the black. Jacking up taxes on people who pay far more than their share already especially with no guarantees that 100% is applied solely to the debt will not resolve this problem.
festus
July 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
Is it possible to accuse and try Congress for treason if they fail to protect the nation, and don’t raise the debt ceiling?
td
July 28th, 2011
4:20 pm
RL
July 28th, 2011
4:08 pm
Your numbers come up to $2.8 trillion and even if they were accurate then what about the other $13 trillion?
Atlantan
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
@Middleclass Centeralist – Why do you hate people who want to be fiscally responsible and demand the same of our government? How much income tax and capital gains tax should a person pay? How much do you pay and do you give more than required?
Why is evil to demand the government to cut back? It is citizens like you and your complete mindlessness that are leading to the decline in our country. Why don’t you go take some money from a child as that is exactly the policies you support will do to our children and grandchildren. Do you have no shame?
td
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
Linusssi
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
Newt tried it and they were declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. We have term limits. Every two, 4 or six years everyone has the right to go to the polls and vote out their representation.
Will Y'all Just Stop and Admit the Truth???!!!!!
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
2007 or 2008, the meltdown occurred on Bush’s watch; this AFTER came into office with a surplus.
Lily
July 28th, 2011
4:26 pm
Rep. Graves has lost my vote.
John Wayne
July 28th, 2011
4:26 pm
What canya say about a country that spends like a drunk in a saloon and is intimidated by ILLEGAL aliens, weasely news folks, bad actors, tuneless musicians, comedian wannabes and a bunch of sissys!?
Will Y'all Just Stop and Admit the Truth???!!!!!
July 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
Obama had the misfortune to come into office as the ship was sinking. He’s a good man, but his timing ain’t so great. I’d vote for him a million times over again because he is doing the best with what he’s got, but some folk are so POWER HUNGRY they’d rather stop one man than to pull the whole country up. I hope the voters remember who did what when and who is trying to help, who is trying to regain power, and who is hurting us all.
Uncle Joe
July 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
Close, but no cigar, Rep. Price! -a constiuent
td
July 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
middleclass centralist
July 28th, 2011
4:07 pm
Where is Obama’s plan? I would like to read it. I have not seen a plan in writing from any Democrat that raises revenue. Reid’s plan only cuts spending. If raising taxes on the rich was so important then why did Obama and the Dems not do it when they had total control of both houses (with super majorities) and the White house? Why did Obama and the Dems (controlling both houses) extend the Bush tax cuts? BTW: They are now the Obama tax cuts?
td
July 28th, 2011
4:35 pm
Will Y’all Just Stop and Admit the Truth???!!!!!
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
I am glad to see that you give the President the power to cause a world wide recession. Sorry to give you this news but a President does not have that type of power. Now a President can make the wrong decisions that will keep us in a slow growth pattern for years to come. This is what Obama is doing now.
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
4:35 pm
RL-
I can beat you on that. Obama extended the Obama tax cuts while fighting three wars. now what was your point again?
Grits
July 28th, 2011
5:06 pm
Vote to get a minor short term plan in. Then in 2012 when the Dims are out of power and the GOP has the pres, congress and senate the tragedy that Obamma has brought upon us can be repealed and cleared up. Recovery will take a while but then America can, will and must be America again!
Failure to Lead
July 28th, 2011
5:09 pm
Obama did not have the misfortune. He was in office with just as much ties to sinking the ship as anyone. Reid and Pelosi were as well. Obama was already in Congress and the Dems had control of the budget and spending back in 2007. They did nothing. Obama did nothing to stop it in Congress and did nothing to stop it as President. He is an empty suit with no leadership at all. Even on Obamacare he threw out to Reid and Pelosi to do all of the work. Now he hides behind Carney with absolutely no plan of his own. Epic fail!
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
5:14 pm
Jeff You have no idea what you are talking about- typical repub.
Will
July 28th, 2011
5:15 pm
How hard can this nonsense be for your to understand.
The republicans have stated very clearly that their number one priority is ensuring the President is not re-elected. I don’t believe this. Their number one priority, just like democrats, is to be re-elected and they are afraid of the next election if they do not do as directed by tea party activists.
If defeating the President is their number one priority, why on earth would you think they would work with the President regarding this matter? It does not matter what the President proposes, republicans will be against it.
Republicans don’t want a workable plan or a working government because they are so afraid of tea party activists that they will say and do anything, including ignoring this pressing concern.
What’s that you say, democrats do the same thing and are just as frightened of their special interest supporters?
Of course they are but is that the standard to which you adhere, to be no better than democrats?
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
5:18 pm
http://progressivetoo.com/2011/07/14/past-increases-of-debt-ceiling-since-kennedy/
Reagan increased the ceining by 199% Bush by 90% read much???
Frederick Douglass
July 28th, 2011
5:22 pm
td @ 4:35
The jobs have all gone to China, India, Honduras, any place where corporations can get the most for the least. This trend has been evolving since before Obama was in knee pants, the middle class was the backbone of America, and their spine has been severed over time. You sound like an intelligent person, quit being a right wing water bearer, you know the decline didn’t just happen yesterday. Hey, but keep on doing your sworn duty to spread lies, and facilitate a return of some right wing loon to the White House, time will tell what that gets us.
John
July 28th, 2011
5:24 pm
Write it down today – sometime within the next few hours, we will see the peak and the start of the decline of the “hell no tea party” members of Congress and Speaker Boehner will win the day on this House vote.
I don’t know where this will go as the Senate will very quickly vote down the Speaker’s hard earned win but I do know that the Broun/Graves/Bachmann/King radical wing of the republican House has been turned back and for that praise be to God!
I want my Republican Party back and, starting today, we are taking it back from these radicals.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
5:30 pm
Will Dems do not do that. And you and all Repubs know that. It is the cowardly Repubs that are willing to drive this country over the cliff in order to get their way. In order to force the congress to have to deal with this issue all of 2012 before the election- strictly for the benefit of playing politics. That is the truth. You do not care one whit about the consequences . I have reachjed the point where I hope that we do default; that all interest rates go up across the board ; that the tea partiers and cowardly repukes get the blame that they deserve and that all of the repukes in the house are defeated in 2012. Your time is coming – your time is coming.
karen
July 28th, 2011
5:32 pm
TD, your kind of full of yourself and you make up facts as you go along. Tea Bag before your nap?
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
5:37 pm
@Failure to Lead
The POTUS voted agianst raising the debt-ceiling when he was a Senator back in 2006.
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
5:38 pm
Tired and Sick-
For the hundredth time, assume you are right, where is the Obama/Reid/Pelosi plan/bill? It doen’t exist. The republican house has passed one and maybe shortly two bills to solve the problem. Sir you have no standing until you provide an alternative.
The average time between raising the debt ceiling? six months. During Reagan’s eight years it was raised 19 times. What’s your complaint again?
RetiredSoldier
July 28th, 2011
5:39 pm
Karen-
And you retort is name calling? Way to go lady.
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:01 pm
I’ll bet that within a year not even Joe Biden will admit having voted for Obama.
Tim
July 28th, 2011
6:05 pm
Retired Soldier, perhaps you didn’t read this:http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/13/fact-sheet-presidents-framework-shared-prosperity-and-shared-fiscal-resp
Yes, the plan that CUT SPENDING to REVENUES 3 to 1. Really, really glad you’re retired.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
6:13 pm
RGB What are you 13??? Thanks for playing
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:13 pm
“Tim”:
I’ll bet Retired Soldier knows the difference between a press release and a plan.
A plan can be scored by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). A press release cannot.
Douglas Elmendorf, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, told the House Budget Committee this morning that his office was unable to estimate the long-term viability of the “budget framework” President Obama outlined in his April 13 budget speech.
“We don’t estimate speeches,” said Elmendorf. “We need much more specificity than was provided in that speech for us to do our analysis.”
Might I add, Timmy, that Congress cannot vote on speeches either. They cannot pass speeches into law.
But you and Obama have one thing in common: Neither one of you does his homework and therefore you cannot be taken seriously.
And you should thank Retired Soldier for serving his country so intellectually vapid folks such as you still have the right of free speech.
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:16 pm
“I have reachjed the point where I hope that we do default; that all interest rates go up across the board ; that the tea partiers and cowardly repukes get the blame that they deserve and that all of the repukes in the house are defeated in 2012.”
What a great contribution you make to the discussion.
Get some help: http://www.healthgrades.com/psychiatry-directory/ga-georgia
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
6:16 pm
RGB Lots of us served our country pal. That does not cut him nor you any slack when it comes to what you are trying to do to this country.
Frederick Douglass
July 28th, 2011
6:17 pm
RGB @ 6:01
Just like everybody, and their uncle on the right are denying that they had anything to do with foisting Dubya on us for eight years. I think I’d keel over if I heard one of you guys own up to the carnage that the Texas Tornado did to this great nation.
3 Time War Vet
July 28th, 2011
6:18 pm
Obama will be re-elected and the tea baggers and repubs will suffer the consequences of they wicked ways of trying to sabotage the American people and this country. We see your evil ways, we see your evil ways.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
6:19 pm
RGB I will hope and pray for the rest of my days that your idiot repukes will get their due in 2012. You have no concern for this country nor for those that went before you and brought us to this point. You only care that you get your greedy way-NOW!!! And your greed is the perfect poster child for the terrible shape that we are in today.
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:24 pm
You people remind me of Lord of the Flies.
The Republicans want to pass a bill that will raisespending by at least $7 trillion over the next years. Not a dollar will be cut. From any program.
And you call them greedy. You should look in the mirror and you’ll see greed.
So-called 3XWV, that whole thing about sacrificing for your country was lost on you wasn’t it. That JFK quote is old news, isn’t it buddy?
Not bad for a 13-year old.
clem
July 28th, 2011
6:25 pm
boehner cannot herd his cats…..whatever happened to the jobs speaker….geez
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:25 pm
And BTW, none of you has a plan or an idea. Do nothing. Everything will be alright. Everybody go back to sleep. Just like the president.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
6:29 pm
RGB Your repukes want to make cuts only to programs for the poor and elderly- none for the defense budget. they further want to continue this conversation for the next 16 months. They are greedy as are you.
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:31 pm
It was the Obama administration that said the unemployment rate would go past 8.5% if we didn’t do what he said. We did. It did.
John Boehner was sworn into office earlier this year and has been on the job 7 months. Funny you’d expect a Speaker to do in 7 months what the Executive hasn’t done (or wanted to do) in nearly 3 years.
I’ll bet you think the White House janitor has real power over the economy. Or maybe the switchboard operator.
You folks need to develop a better understanding of managing your own expectations.
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:34 pm
What about “there are NO cuts” did you not understand.
Let me try a different approach. If someone were to develop a plan that increased federal government spending every single year and also increased the debt limit, would you favor it?
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:36 pm
greed (grd)
n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth. See Obama, Barack; Reid, Harry; Schumer, Charles et. al.
RGB
July 28th, 2011
6:37 pm
Shut ‘er down boys.
They couldn’t get their way so they took their toys and headed for the house.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
7:12 pm
No you lost the election in a landslide to Obama and you have done everything in your power to ensure that he fails in leading the country out of the ditch that your people got us into -again. Republicans for decades have run on the same platform for running the government. Cut taxes and watch the deficit climb as a result. Also watch the unemployment rate rise as with Reagan. Vote for defense budgets that far surpass that which is necessary or in many cases more than what the pentagon requests. Do everything in your power to cut programs that are designed to help the least among us. What is particularly galling is to watch hawks like Limbaugh, Cheney, Boortz, Hannity, Rove etc etc etc rush to send our guys and gals to serve across the water but they themselves never served a day. Limbaugh’s pimple on his butt- kept him out- Cheney got 5 FIVE deferments to keep his worthless butt stateside and never saw the benefit of serving in the guard or reserve. Not one. But they are hell bent to send America’s children in wars that are not necessary and love to beat their chest to show how brave they are. What cowards they are.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
7:19 pm
It is your phony legislators that have decided that it will be their way or you will shut the government down. Have at it boys and girls and pay the price- because you will. I promise you that.
gm
July 28th, 2011
8:11 pm
Amazing, I dont hear the talk what would Reagan do anymore: He is only their God when things are not going their way, debt ceiling raised 17 times under him, Oh I forgot Obama is not their white hero on a horse.
The tea party are the worst Americans since the Klan was created, they rather see people suffer then work with the President of the United States.
Oh, but wait now, if we get another attack like 911 the hypocrites on the right
will pull the American flag out and sang Dixie and cry I love every body.
The world is watching a bunch of selfish, Un Americans on the right, it is hard to tell these tea party bigots who hate the President from the Terriost.
Kwanishalafita
July 28th, 2011
8:23 pm
– Rob Woodall of Lawrenceville: In a test vote this afternoon, Woodall indicated in a floor speech that he should be considered a “yes” vote.
“This says we’re not going to increase the credit line by a penny unless we’re cutting a penny, too.”
Rob it sounds like you’re wavering. Linder didn’t teach you like that. Don’t you realize the “cutting a penny” promise never happens?
P.S. gm you are a complete moron.
td
July 28th, 2011
8:30 pm
Frederick Douglass
July 28th, 2011
5:22 pm
And what has Obama done in three years to bring the jobs back? What did a super majority in both houses do to bring back jobs to the US for two years?
Do you not understand that this economy is changing from an industrial based economy to a technology driven, financial services based economy? There are plenty of jobs making good money in the tech fields. Since 1990 Microsoft has created 3 billionaires and 400 millionaires, Google has created 2 billionaires and over 200 millionaires, Cisco, oracle, 1 billionaire and can we mention the 27 year old billionaire from Facebook. How many other people have become successful at developing applications from these businesses? There is money to be made for the people that want to get an education and the middle class is not hurting.
What is hurting is people that want to have a production line union jobs. How can you blame a corporations? Production line work is not difficult and does not take a lot of skills or education. Companies are paying a union production line worker at GM $50 per hour (with benefits) and can get the same skill set in Mexico for $7 per hour. This keeps their stock rising and as a result keeps the majority of the middle classes 401K rising
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
8:36 pm
Kwanishalafita Naw I think GM nailed them and you pretty well.
td
July 28th, 2011
8:37 pm
gm
July 28th, 2011
8:11 pm
Here you go again seeing everything through those race colored glasses. It has to be hard living with that huge chip on you shoulder.
This fight is not about Obama being half-black. This is about stopping Socialism in its tracks. It is time for Free enterprise to come back to American and the nanny state socialist to go back into the closet.
td
July 28th, 2011
8:45 pm
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
7:19 pm
I do not usually call people names on this board but dead gumit man you have to be dumb as a box of rocks. How many times has RS asked for the plan from the Democrats and you still rant and rave about the Republicans allowing us to go over a cliff. Where is the plan from the President? Were is the Democratic controlled Senate plan? They have not even passed a “clean” debt ceiling plan. The Republican controlled house has passed a plan that the Senate will not even call for a vote. They will probably pass another plan tonight that the Senate is saying is dead on arrival. SO who now is letting the country go over the cliff?
BTW: The house passed a budget earlier this year and the Senate has not passed on in 3 years. Why?
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
8:48 pm
Yeah that good old free enterprise has done so much for the american worker these past years. Let’s see- sending jobs overseas; whining about not being able to get their money back into the country without cost; huge layoffs; hoarding so much cash that they have to buy back stock; took the country to the cleaners with those pesky criminals on wall street; new whine is that american business does not need regulation, they can self police; continue to line up more pimps to pay congressmen to get more subsidies and more government cash at the trough. Yeah they are doing just fine for themselves.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
9:01 pm
td It is not the Presidents’ job to produce the list of cuts to be made- it is after all a bill coming out of the House as I recall. Is that not correct?? he has offered to agree to a 3 to 1 ratio on cuts to revenue increases on the very wealthy. That is a very good plan to me.
td
July 28th, 2011
9:02 pm
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
8:48 pm
Wall street and corporate america are two totally different things. Corporate america is mostly run by Republicans and Wall street mostly by Democrats.
Low skill, low education jobs are being sent overseas because it is cheaper and maximises the stock prices of companies. You want to see low skill jobs come back then do away with the unions. There is no way a company can justify paying a person putting tires on a car $50 per hour.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
9:06 pm
Yeah you guys are already starting that theme in Ohio and Wis and others and payback will be hell next election pal.
Madison
July 28th, 2011
9:08 pm
“Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and the value of the dollar in exchange markets. The nation can ill afford to allow such a result.” Ronald Reagan
td
July 28th, 2011
9:09 pm
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
9:01 pm
Where are the cuts at? I have not seen any. The CBO can not score a press conference. The President is suppose to present a budget to the Congress every year. Obama’s budget was presented and it was voted down 97-0 by the Democratic controlled Senate. The President can offer legislation anytime he wants too. The House control appropriations of money and that is all that has to originate from the house.
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
9:18 pm
The job of the House is to send a bill to the senate and the President either signs or vetos it. In your case he will veto it if it passes the senate.
td
July 28th, 2011
9:20 pm
Tired and Sick
July 28th, 2011
9:18 pm
Please show me where that is in the Constitution?
WMD
July 28th, 2011
9:24 pm
There is no reason on earth for the lumping together of the debt ceiling increase and the necessity to deal with reducing the deficit. Your good old boys have linked them for the politics effect and your goal now is to drag out the discussion for the next 16 months. You are a sad bunch of Americans who lost an election in 08 and cannot stand it- have not been able to stand it since then. AND he won in a landslide against your good old boy McCain and his idiot VP candidate. I would not vote for any of your Repukes if you put a gun to my head. You don’t deserve to nor know how to lead this country.
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
9:30 pm
td If you are that dumb we are not gonna see much progress on your part. If you think that only what is written in the Constitution is what can happen then God help you.
SmittyATL
July 28th, 2011
9:30 pm
I’m proud of the Tea Party movement for initiating substantive change in Washington. They upset the status quo, and somehow managed to put the brakes on Washington’s runaway spending. It’s truly remarkable that now virtually every left-wing liberal — from Harry Reid to Obama himself — is now talking about HOW to cut spending, and by how much, rather than continuing to push for even more gluttony.
I believe the fiscal conservatives have extracted about as much as they possibly can from this round. It’s time to cut a deal and move forward to fight another day. The job is far, far from over.
td
July 28th, 2011
9:32 pm
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies”
Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006
Madison
July 28th, 2011
9:32 pm
Art. I Sec 6
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
where are those WMD Cheney?
July 28th, 2011
9:36 pm
SmittyATL Your tea party boot lickers will pay a heavy price in 2012- you better believe that. And the tea party itself will live in infamy.
td
July 28th, 2011
9:41 pm
WMD
July 28th, 2011
9:24 pm
“I would not vote for any of your Repukes if you put a gun to my head”
Why would you make such a statement when we all know you love your messiah and think he has done no wrong and plan on voting for him as many times as you can.
where are those WMD Cheney?
July 28th, 2011
9:42 pm
td were you born racist or naturally evolve into one?
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
9:50 pm
I suspect they will all have challengers in both partys next year
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
9:51 pm
Tom Graves, Phil Gingrey, and Paul Broun are all right wing fanatics who will allow our US credit rating to go under and sacrifice our fragile economy just to protect the richest 1% of people. They are domestic terrorists bent on ruining our country for their own narrow aims. The right wing tea baggers are scary extremists who are in a small minority. Let’s cut spending, raise taxes on the richest 1%, get rid of tax loop holes for oil companies, and work towards a balanced budget.
Let’s not forget that G.W. Bush took over a prosperous America from the highly successful Clinton and ran our economy into the ground. Clinton left office with a federal surplus, a 4.4% unemployment rate, DOW Jones over 10K, and no wars. Bush left office with us on the brink of a depression, the DOW at 6900, 8% unemployment, and 2 wars (one of which cost us a trillion and wasn’t necessary). Of course, right wingers want us to forget Bush’s disaster, but we still suffer the repercussions of it. Plus, if we forget his failed policies, we risk repeating them.
Even Reagan would be blast the right wing fanatics for their irresponsibility.
td
July 28th, 2011
9:57 pm
where are those WMD Cheney?
July 28th, 2011
9:42 pm
You are just to funny. I guess since you are an Obama supporter then you are a communist, Muslim terrorist.
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
9:59 pm
Phil Gingrey is as useless as they come and would not know leadership if it bit him in the butt. He has never had an original idea in his entire life. He is a typical Republican congressman that only cares about being re-elected and taking care of those with money. He is a joke as a congressman and I cannot wait to vote against him in 2012.
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
9:59 pm
Also, Bush oversaw a 86% increase in deficit spending during his 8 years in office, yet no Republicans were calling for a balanced budget then. They passed a tax break and put it on credit. They supported the Iraq war (unnecessary) and put it on credit. Now these same idiots are calling for a balanced budget. Hello, are you really serious? We spent 2 trillion on wars, and now you want to throw grandma on the street? I have a better idea, Let’s throw the tea bagger Congress members on the street instead. At a minimum, they need to take a 50% pay cut and get rid of 50% of their expenditures, staff, etc. to show they have an ounce of intergrity (which they don’t of course).
td
July 28th, 2011
10:00 pm
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
9:51 pm
Don’t forget to mention that the Clinton economy was built on the back of the Community investment act that caused the housing bubble and caused the recession.
td
July 28th, 2011
10:02 pm
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
9:59 pm
I guess I will just have to cancel your vote. I am also willing to bet you every penny I have and my cat that Phil gets re elected by more than 60% of the vote next year.
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:02 pm
td You really do have a problem with your memory don’t you. That is just so sad. Can’t do anything for that??
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:04 pm
Of course he will be re-elected . Look at who is in his district? It takes one to know and vote for one.
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:07 pm
He still is a useless man and a coward for voting to pawn these future cuts only on the backs of the poor and elderly.
td
July 28th, 2011
10:09 pm
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:04 pm
Yes it takes a good American loving conservative to vote for another. Unlike, a terrorist loving communist that will vote for Obama.
td
July 28th, 2011
10:11 pm
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:07 pm
There are no real poor in this country and nothing that has been voted on will effect the elderly. Please quit the scare tactics.
Real Athens
July 28th, 2011
10:18 pm
TD:
You’re high on glue. “The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1977, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to help meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods, a practice known as redlining.”
It has been revised by every administration since George H.W. Bush.
“No real poor in this country”?
Why? ‘Cause the Heritage Foundation told you? You’re living under a rock.
td
July 28th, 2011
10:30 pm
Real Athens
July 28th, 2011
10:18 pm
“Why? ‘Cause the Heritage Foundation told you? You’re living under a rock”
Define poor and please compare the poor with the rest of the world.
Our so called poor live in places with heat, AC, running water. Most have multiple TV’s, IPODs, cell phones cable and more than enough food to eat. Food Stamps for a family of 4 with no income is $668 per month. That is more money then the average person in 100 countries make in a year. When you add FS, Medicaid, TANF, WIC, Energy assistance, Child support and a 20 hour part time job at minimum wage then the income of most of our poor is equal to the upper middle class of the vast majority of people in the rest of the world.
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:35 pm
td No real poor in this country?? You really are ignorant aren’t you?? So the future cuts to medicare and medicaid and to SS and SSI will not affect the poor and elderly?
Please please inform us of your knowledge- we wait with bated breath.
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
10:40 pm
Enter your comments here
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
10:40 pm
Westmoreland is a goon and is your typically Republican of convenience. Remember when he was pushing for the 10 Commandments to be posted in all the federal buildings (courts)? Then when he was asked to recite the 10 Commandments, he failed miserably!!! What meaningful piece of legislation has he written? Yet, he gets rubber stamped back into office every year by the good ole folks of Coweta county.
Up in the clouds
July 28th, 2011
10:42 pm
td The Americans don’t live in other countries clem- they live here. Why don’t you try living on $688 a month pal??? You are a real piece of work. The air up there must really be something where you are. You typify those in the Republican party who think they are so smart and in truth are sadly too ignorant to realize how silly they sound. The real surprise is that God cares about that poor person trying to raise 3 children in a one room apt on $688 a month just as much as He cares about you. He is not a respector of persons you see and is certainly not that impressed with your house or your job or your bank account. But He does care about whether you love Him and your neighbor. Do you love your neighbor td?? Do you??.Because He knows what is in your heart in spite of what you say.
SmittyATL
July 28th, 2011
10:44 pm
Many of us DID vocally object to the deficit spending during the GW Bush years, and openly questioned many of his policies and his MO. I don’t take issue with Obama because of his race, his father’s religion, or his party; rather, I strenuously object to his vision for the nation, his association with many people of dubious character, and his pandering to various persons and groups who wish to knock America down a peg.
I’m not a cheerleader for either party; I want what’s best for our country. It’s obvious that many Republicans are inept and many are unethical — same for the Democrats. Unfortunately, the Democratic party has completely lost its way and has generally embraced a vision of a European-style socialist America. If you want economy-stifling taxation, nationalized industry, and crippling government debt, vote for the politicians who share your view. Since America has historically attained prosperity through entrepreneurship and individual freedom, I’ll vote for the politicians who embrace that vision.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
10:46 pm
Georgia has serious issues with education, employment and infrastructure that need to be addressed. All of these have either stayed the same or gotten worse since the Republicans at both the state, congressional and senatorial levels have had a majority.
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
10:47 pm
TD:
Just shave your head, carry your uzi everywhere you go, and move to an anarchy compound in Northern Idaho. You’re in la-la land when it comes to reality. Typical of tea baggers. You’re probably on disability like many tea baggers.
td
July 28th, 2011
10:49 pm
tell the truth
July 28th, 2011
10:35 pm
Now who looking “ignorant”? Did I not state the facts and are my facts not correct? Please point out exactly where I was wrong?
Will those programs get cut or will they just not be allowed to grow as fast as they currently do? Also, I have not seen one proposal for cutting the amount of benefits in any of the programs. I have seen proposals about raising the age limit or changing the eligibility requirements for someof the programs.
B. Thenet
July 28th, 2011
10:50 pm
Obama should send the House GOP members some flowers, now the Democrats are going to look like heroes when they get bipartisan support for their plan which will look very much like Boehner’s
Real Athens
July 28th, 2011
10:50 pm
TD:
Your point? You’d like the U.S. to be more like India? Somalia? Maybe even Afghanistan?
You’re sick.
Oh, like I said: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/what-is-poverty
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
10:51 pm
Hey folks here is a secret….When Pres. Obama was a Senator, he voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006. How did Gingrey, Price, Westmoreland and others vote….yep you guessed it.
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
10:54 pm
Obama has moved toward centralism because he believes in negotiation. I don’t agree with everything he’s done, and yes we need to stop out-of-control spending. But he inherited a mess that Bush left and more of Bush politics won’t make things better. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. 8 years if Bush philosophy- just lower taxes on the richest and quit regulating corporations-falied us miserably.
Real Athens
July 28th, 2011
10:57 pm
Hey Smitty:
“Since America has historically attained prosperity through entrepreneurship and individual freedom, I’ll vote for the politicians who embrace that vision.”
Like Goldman-Sachs?
http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-goldmans-money-machine-warehouses-090810768.html
Get ready for the new “privatization”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/28-10
td
July 28th, 2011
11:04 pm
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
10:47 pm
Typical liberal response. When you can not argue a point and win then just call the other person a name, crazy or a racist. Thank you for letting me know I am correct about the poor.
td
July 28th, 2011
11:09 pm
Real Athens
July 28th, 2011
10:50 pm
So the heritage association agrees with my assessment. I knew they were pretty smart.
My point is that we do not really have very many poor in this country. No babies are going to starve, no elderly are going to die in the streets. This is all a liberal tactic to scare the people that are less educated to keep them in power.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:12 pm
The current group of Republicans love to say “privatization” and “entrepreneurship”. Since the repugs have been in a large majority down at the gold dome. name a single goverment program or agency that they have privatized?
td
July 28th, 2011
11:16 pm
Proud Moderate
July 28th, 2011
10:54 pm
Since you are so smart and have all the answer then take these set of facts and tell us how to solve the problem:
National debt $14.3 Trillion dollars.
We borrow $4 billion dollars per day.
Repeal Bush tax cuts will bring in an additional $81 billion per year (per CNN report).
Medicare is running in the Red.
Social Security will be running in the red in 12 years.
The bottom 48% of households pay 0% of Federal income tax.
If we did everything Obama wants to do then how do we get out of this hole? Please give details on addressing the above facts.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:18 pm
Hey td – if you were true to your stripes, you should be leading the effort to close down the Naval Air Station and Lockheed-Martin since they are local benficiaries of past debt-ceiling extensions….You ready to shut those places down? let’s go!
B. Thenet
July 28th, 2011
11:19 pm
Repealing the Bush Tax Cuts adds $4 trillion in revenue over 10 years from what I have seen, I think your figures are way off on that td.
td
July 28th, 2011
11:20 pm
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:12 pm
I can answer that one. OIT services for 13 government agencies have been outsourced to AT&T and IBM. Mental Health is in the process of being privatized and it appears they are attempting to have privatize some major road projects. Remember they have only been in total control for 7 years. It takes a little time to reshape government.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:24 pm
td – nice excuses…both AT&T and IBM took those jobe off-shore to India. Mental health is less than noise in the state budget. The right answer should have been the prision system…which has become corrupt.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:27 pm
Plus, both AT&T and IBM still receive state tax dollars to run OIT. They now take our tax dollars to India…
td
July 28th, 2011
11:27 pm
B. Thenet
July 28th, 2011
11:19 pm
I am just letting you know what I read on CNN a few days ago. Maybe they are wrong but they can not be accused of having a conservative bias.
td
July 28th, 2011
11:32 pm
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:27 pm
” They now take our tax dollars to India…”
That is not true. I know quiet a few people that were outsourced to IBM and AT&T and they still have their jobs and still service the IT services for the state. The difference is the state are not paying their benefit packages nor will they pay their retirement and medical insurance in the future. I have not heard of one job shipped to India.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:37 pm
td – the AT&T jobs are slowly being sourced to Accenture, whose business model is hinged on outsourcing to India.
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:44 pm
td – let’s say what you are saying is somewhat accurate, where are the savings going? And again, OIT budget is a rounding error compared to the fiasco and costs to state revenues all these bank being shut down due to suspect banking practices….Guess which political party those corrupt bankers support? You of all people should be pissed-off that none of those corrupt bankers will spend a single day in prision for stealing millions of dollars.
td
July 28th, 2011
11:45 pm
B. Thenet
July 28th, 2011
11:19 pm
Per the IRS figures: The top 5% of wage earners paid made $2.5 billion in 2008 and the Bush tax cuts reduced their rates by 4%. I do not see getting $4 trillion in ten years.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
td
July 28th, 2011
11:49 pm
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:44 pm
td – let’s say what you are saying is somewhat accurate, where are the savings going?
The savings are in benefits and retirement to the now outsourced employees. If I am not mistaken the contract was for 8 years, $800 million and was for the amount that the state was paying for wages of employees and equipment bought on average per year.
td
July 28th, 2011
11:53 pm
Black Conservative
July 28th, 2011
11:44 pm
Sorry, I misread your question. I assume the savings went to help keep other personnel (such as teachers).
A far as the banks go I think if they are found guilty of a crime then they should go to jail (Republican or Democrat). I think the Feds would have or will prosecute if they find any evidence of a crime.
Real Athens
July 29th, 2011
12:05 am
TD:
Heritage Foundation agrees with you? That’s rich. You haven’t had an original thought on this blog yet. You can input any of “your” replies into a search engine and find that they’re usually, verbatim, the words of someone else. Hell, you’re barely literate. You regurgitate sound bites fed to you,l
At the end of the day, you’ll have to to answer to a higher power — whatever your beliefs are. Karma.
td
July 29th, 2011
8:25 am
Real Athens
July 29th, 2011
12:05 am
And your post come from where?
Sam I Am
July 29th, 2011
8:38 am
What name did td get banned under before coming back?
td
July 29th, 2011
9:09 am
Sam I Am
July 29th, 2011
8:38 am
I have been on this blog for more than 2 years under the same name. One of two or three that predicted Barnes total beat down in 2010 and predicted a clean sweep of the GOP in Georgia.
double
July 29th, 2011
10:28 am
Real Athens, td is very modest in his self apprasial.One of two or three with the wisdom to predict election outcome.The three being Trish,TD,Retired soldier,and if you count all his aliases number goes much higher.If you do not think TD’s on the top shelf just listen a short time he will tell you.Retired is a notch baby,repeats ,repeats,like most old folks.
RetiredSoldier
July 29th, 2011
10:53 am
double-
Glad you know me so well. You have at least one fact incorrect, not a notch baby, my Dad is a notch baby but not me. As for repeating, I’ll plead guilty. Opinions can change often, but the truth is constant and bares repeating. Have a great day though.
Real Athens
July 31st, 2011
10:28 am
“And your post come from where?”
Ah, vindication.
Colonel Fannin
July 31st, 2011
1:55 pm
Several commenters have posted that Graves, Broun and Gingrey are voting in support of the richest 1 percent. How do they figure? I’m not among the richest one percent but I certainly aim to be and I am so angry at Broun, Gingrey and Graves I could spit. If we default, the market is going to tank and interest rates are going to go up when we lose our AAA rating. My IRA, invested in the market, dropped over $2000 last week because of these bozos. How is Graves helping me? Everyone I know that is invested heavily in America is not happy with those guys at all. In fact, we know that Graves doesn’t pay his own just debts and there have been, thus far, no consequences. Maybe he doesn’t really understand that there are indeed consequences. The fact is the guys that know the least about taxes and the market and the economy are among the loudest voices against increasing the debt limit. We really do need to get our spending under contral and uh Congressman Graves , you need to get your own personal spending under control and you need to stop shafting investors and pay your just debts.