A Republican caucus fleeing its House speaker?

Rickster

July 26th, 2011
4:44 pm

Just because he’s speaker… doesn’t mean he is right. The members of Congress are supposed to answer to those that elected them – not their party leadership.

Flash

July 26th, 2011
4:44 pm

The party of no can not even say no together. What a mess the Republican party finds itself in. Painted into a corner of their own making, and now can get nothing done. I predict we will see more speaker of the house tears flowing soon.

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

July 26th, 2011
4:45 pm

Buddy Darden said a mouth-full. If you didn’t do as Tip O’Neill demanded, you lost committee seniority and invites to nice events. If you crossed Jim Wright, you lost all of the above, plus donations, money for your district, and you got handed a new a$$ personally by Wright himself.

You kind of have to hand it to the Repubs – they could have been in the cat-bird seat for the 2012 elections, and here they go around biting each other in the a$$ instead.

Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
4:58 pm

Republicans will pay dearly for this come the next election. They are nothing but a bunch of bullies who will stop at nothing to ensure this black president doesn’t succeed. They are that bitter, and frankly I am disgusted by their tactics.

Vince D

July 26th, 2011
5:12 pm

Job destroying tax increases? OK… I’ll bite… so where are all the jobs that the Bush tax cuts created?

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:15 pm

Ah Flash. I’m always ammused when the libs take the low row and start using phrases like the “tea baggers”, “party of no” when everyone does not just accept and do what they want. They get their feelings hurt.
The Dems owned all three branches and had a responsibility to submit a 2011 budget and failed to do so. Now in the nth hour everyone is supposed to come together and make a hastey decision. I am reminded of a sign I once saw, “failure to plan on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part!”.

double

July 26th, 2011
5:18 pm

And I don’t believe Retired Soldier responsible for the above post at 4;58 Also I think this is the time to demand a Balanced Budget Law if the Republicans do not take advantage and demand balance budget.Congress should be first pay cuts.After all they are ones responsible for the condition we ar in.

Centrist

July 26th, 2011
5:18 pm

A former Democratic Congressman commenting on Republican issues is totally worthless.

Elections have consequences. Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party House members who got elected last November are skeptical of gimmick accounting that has always been used in the past. Whether Speaker Boehner can round up enough Republican votes to add to Democrat votes in a final plan is what this will all be about.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:19 pm

Retired Soldier, let me make sure I get this right. This is a racism thing? Thanks for bringing me up to speed, because I hadn’t considered that conspiracy.

Department of the Obvious

July 26th, 2011
5:21 pm

Um, Joe, a debt ceiling restriction is not the same as submitting a fiscal year budget — and until Obama was president, increasing the debt ceiling was routinely supported by both parties. Except, ironically, by Senator Obama back in ‘06, but that was back during the Bush Presidency when Dick “deficits don’t matter’ Cheney was calling the shots.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:22 pm

Here is a question for everyone who things raising the debt ceiling or taxing more is the answer. How many times when you ( and if a bigger credit card or bigger handout is your solution to a financial problem I do me YOU) spend more than you bring in do you go back to your boss and demand a bigger salary?

RetiredSoldier

July 26th, 2011
5:27 pm

The 4:58 post is not mine. Who ever did that is a sorry individual. Anyone remotely familar with my posts know my problem is with Obama’s policies, not the color of his skin. Get a life

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:27 pm

How right you are Department of the Obvious. But you don’t raise a debt ceiling when you have a budget in place that doesn’t require a bigger credit card. The whole reason for a budget and budget review is to say ” How much do I have coming in and how much are my bills”. Once you know those two things you have two possible choices to addressing an issue. Raise revenues (Tax more; those evil rich and all of thier money) or spend less. God forbid we ask the Government to stop spending our money. I make less than a $100K and I ain’t looking for the folks in the million dollar mansions to give me a hand out. I have no problem asking them if I can mow thier grass for a decent wage but I wouldn’t do the same thing in the projects.

RetiredSoldier

July 26th, 2011
5:28 pm

Thank you double.

Denny

July 26th, 2011
5:29 pm

When answering to the right wing base is the most important thing for the republicans instead of doing what is right for the country it’s a sad day for all of us in the middle class.

Vince D

July 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

JP Morgan has said that the cost of the U.S. debt being downgraded from our current AAA rating would be an astounding $100 billion a year. And even if thee government does not default, a downgrade alone “will offset any beneficial impact from any deficit reduction that will have to happen for the debt ceiling to be increased. In short, a downgrade would cause a permanent increase in borrowing costs, which will make it more costly for consumers and businesses to borrow money, risking another recession.

So go ahead Republicans… flush our future down the toilet just so Obama does not get reelected.

View From Midtown

July 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

Congratulations to all the Tea Party whackjobs who are about to destroy this fragile economy; I guess you all got suckered into buying Glenn Beck’s overpriced gold coins and needed to find a way to make them pay off.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:31 pm

Retired Soldier (Imposter). You are such a coward that even in an anonymous post you would hide behind someone elses handle. Ah, what is this world coming to.

Retired Soldier (Actual) You are vindicated and your service is appreciated.

why not

July 26th, 2011
5:33 pm

This whole process just shows how all of them but especially dems want to hang on to their power and keep getting more and more money from the people. They all promise way more than they can deliver. I’m glad to see a verbal minority refusing to spend additional borrowed and stolen money.
It is time to cut and cut deep! Better now than later.

Centrist

July 26th, 2011
5:37 pm

Only Charlie Brown believes Lucy might not pull the football away, and Popeye might give Wimpy money today for Hamburger when he will gladly pay it back on Tuesday. Democrat promises of future spending reductions are no longer believed by most folks.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:39 pm

Really people? Read between the lines and take your research further. S & P said that even if we had a deal right now, that anything offered that does not support long term spending reductions leaves us subject to down grade; aka balanced budget amendment. And again, remind me how this is all the Republicans fall. This didn’t just happen since the 2010 elections or since the entrance of the Tea Party on the seen. As “Department of the Ovious” pointed out the debt ceiling has been an issue going back to at least 2006. Why didn’t the President make that priority number one before spending more money on health care?

Big Wheel

July 26th, 2011
5:40 pm

I thought the Gramm Rudman amendment that was passed during the Reagan administration was supposed to balance the budget?
What ever happened to it?

DannyX

July 26th, 2011
5:42 pm

LMAO, is that the “centrist” position on the issue Centrist? Your far right Tea Party side is now the center? Just ignore the 73% of independents that want tax and spending cuts in ALL the latest polls?

Is that what we should do “Centrist?” Just ignore the center?

confused

July 26th, 2011
5:44 pm

“White House threatens to veto Boehner’s House plan” – Let’s see…a “Veto” that is a serious “NO”. Harry Reid says, in the Senate that the plan is a “non starter”, which is a “no no no we won’t even consider it”. One party has passed a plan more than once. The other party has said no to both plans. Who is the party of ‘no’ again?

Rethuglicans

July 26th, 2011
5:51 pm

Just another Joe
July 26th, 2011
5:15 pm

The budget ceiling is something new? last minute? It was John Boehner himself who said Obama came to the House in January recognizing the need for a debt ceiling limit increase. Nice try on your lies though.

dandydawg

July 26th, 2011
5:54 pm

WOW!!! You would think this was the first time the the debt ceiling was raised by the comments of the people on this blog. Bush didn’t have a problem getting it raised and I am sure none of the other presidents had a problem.. but, now Obama has a problem with getting it done…. Call it what you want, but he is the only president that sits in the white house, with a different skin tone. SO, yes, I do believe that they are trying to railroad this President.

gm

July 26th, 2011
5:54 pm

Its not Boehner fault, he is being held hosage by the most selfish, Anti Americans, worst Americans since the Klan the tea party hypocrites”””

Rethuglicans

July 26th, 2011
5:55 pm

Just another Joe
July 26th, 2011
5:22 pm
Here is a question for everyone who things raising the debt ceiling or taxing more is the answer. How many times when you ( and if a bigger credit card or bigger handout is your solution to a financial problem I do me YOU) spend more than you bring in do you go back to your boss and demand a bigger salary?

Again, more faulty logic Joe. As an eight-year-old, I could answer this for you. If I wanted to buy something and didn’t have enough money, I would try to pick up an extra yard or two in the neighborhood to mow. I would find another way to make money. What I wouldn’t do is give me customers a discount and expect them to use that to grow their yards.

Another Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
6:08 pm

Is it possible there are two retired soldiers in Atlanta? And yes, there are plenty of racists, many of them no doubt weighing in on this article, who want to see Obama fail. There are the ones who idiotically call him a socialist, when he is basically an economic centrist.

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:12 pm

gm gets the IPD* by virtue of his “Klan” reference.

Seems it wasn’t that long ago when thrift and living within one’s means were virtues.

[*Idiot Prize of the Day]

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:12 pm

“economic centrist”

We have a tie.

Truth

July 26th, 2011
6:13 pm

Who cares, they’re all morons. And yes.

Truth

July 26th, 2011
6:15 pm

And from the looks of the comments here, so are all of you.

Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil

July 26th, 2011
6:15 pm

“it looks to me like [House Majority Leader Eric] Cantor is undermining the speaker….The speaker has apparently lost control of his caucus – which I’ve never seen.”

The GOP (Boehner and Cantor) are a bunch of fools!

For all of you who voted for them YOU GOT WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! You have been bamboozled by a bunch of dummies who don’t know their a*s from a whole in the ground.

Corey

July 26th, 2011
6:15 pm

Back in the day when Democrats began moving toward a more inclusive society aka full citizenship for blacks some in the party became known as Dixiecrats.Today the Republican party has become too moderate for some of its members who call themselves the TEA Party. You gotta love it.

Knows Graves Well

July 26th, 2011
6:21 pm

Boehner is learning what Graves’ GA House colleagues have always known: his way or the highway. No such thing as any position except Tom’s & he’ll hang you out to dry in a minute.

Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil

July 26th, 2011
6:21 pm

@dandydawg July 26th, 2011 5:54 pm

It is as clear as the nose on your face. They do not want to agree with anything Obama wants.

They are hell bent on bringing this BLACK president down and putting him in his place. But mark my word this is going to backfire on the GOP. They are not only messing with Obama but their own constiuents who voted for them.

REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED AND STABBED IN THE BACK BY THEIR OWN PARTY!

Another Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
6:23 pm

RGB, make the case that Obama is a socialist. I dare you. Does advocating raising the highest marginal tax rate on the top 1% of earners by, say, 3% make you a socialist? Don’t think so, chump.

confused

July 26th, 2011
6:27 pm

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies . . . Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. — Sen. Obama, March 20, 2006

On this vote every single Democrat voted against raising the debt limit.

I’m BO only said that and voted the way he did, then, for political purposes. I’m sure it’s the same reason everyone (GOP, Dems) do what they do now. This stuff is nothing new. You want something different?…vote for Ron Paul.

Tifton Tiger

July 26th, 2011
6:27 pm

Finally we see a true conservative leader – Tom Graves!

Standing up to the out of control congressional spending.

We need more like him in Washington!

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

Obama’s policies have reduced the net worth of the average American by $100,000. For minorities, the scene is even worse as reported in this AP story today:

“The wealth gaps between whites and minorities have grown to their widest levels in a quarter-century. The recession and uneven recovery have erased decades of minority gains, leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data. The white-black wealth gap is also the widest since the census began tracking such data in 1984, when the ratio was roughly 12 to 1.”

You radical leftists use the “racist” phrase so often that it no longer has any meaning. But isn’t it interesting that under Reagan blacks were much better off than under non-racist (or is he) Obama?

You people tire of hearing “a rising tide lifts all boats” so perhaps “a declining tide sinks all ships” [Obama version] is something you can sink your teeth into.

Ramguy

July 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

I think the main motive behind the republipukes is power not racisim…..but the fact that he’s black is just gravy.

confused

July 26th, 2011
6:31 pm

Why do liberals and Dems introduce race into the conversation so often? Ironically, they are usually pointing fingers too. How do they get away with this straight faced?

Ghost Rider

July 26th, 2011
6:31 pm

Unfortunately, Speaker John Boehner appears to have very little “backbehn”. President Obama has proven that he will not take “yes” for an answer, and prefers to play this situation for his re-election purposes. Failure to gain a balanced budget agreement that will be enacted into law prior any concession given the President on this issue is folly. The same is true of meaningful spending cuts and deficit reduction.

Bottom line: President Obama and the Democrats are playing “politics as usual” with their tax, borrow and spend methods.

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:32 pm

I also smile when I hear people such as Sheila Jackson dash Lee say that Republicans oppose Obama’s desire to increase the debt ceiling because they are “racist” [incorrect application of the word, but Sheila also thought that the astronauts had planted the U.S. flag when they landed on Mars).

Under Obama the debt ceiling increased:

-> by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama’s first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act;
-> by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009;
-> and by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010.

So, if Sheila is right, then Republicans didn’t realize Obama was black until 2011.

confused

July 26th, 2011
6:33 pm

RBG – now that is funny

Ghost Rider

July 26th, 2011
6:38 pm

Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil”

“They are hell bent on bringing this BLACK president down and putting him in his place. But mark my word this is going to backfire on the GOP. They are not only messing with Obama but their own constiuents who voted for them. ”

I see that we’re back to “black”. When people can’t adequately defend the President or his policies, or when others dare to criticize him or his policies, it’s because he is a “BLACK man”.

Get a life . . .

jconservative

July 26th, 2011
6:41 pm

Amusing.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio) does not like the Boehner plan because it only cuts spending $1 trillion.
Yet 2 weeks ago he walked away from a plan that would have cut $3 trillion in spending.

Tom Price wants a Balanced Budget Amendment and does not like tax increases. He is yet to realize that a Balanced Budget Amendment may just guarantee tax increases. A balanced budget does not guarantee spending cuts only that the budget be balanced. Tax increases are easier than spending cuts. Look to the Georgia General Assembly for proof. They have raised taxes several years in a row in order to balanced the Georgia budget.

The Centrist

July 26th, 2011
6:47 pm

Whatever happened to paying folks off on the house floor?

Herbert Johnson

July 26th, 2011
6:48 pm

Retired Soldier
You view is straight and to the point.
From a Retired Marine.

yuzeyurbrane

July 26th, 2011
6:49 pm

I hope the American people have finally realized that the goal of the Teaparty is the destabilization of what they consider an illegitimate regime. The tactics they use are reminiscent of CIA financed coups in third world countries. Only here the financing comes from the Koch bros. and their ilk. A firm response to these radical anarchists is called for. If the Obama admin. has the cohones to do what is needed, the great majority of the American people will firmly support them.

Just Wait

July 26th, 2011
6:49 pm

I don’t care what color the President is. I do care that both parties are hell bent on destroying this country by playing to their party instead of the people.

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:50 pm

ARS,

You can swoon over the benefits of economic systems that have failed everywhere they’ve been tried. You can debate the fine points of communism vs. socialism vs. Marxism–but I won’t.

But for people other than you who are patriotic and want the republic to last a little longer, I offer a link from Lt. General Jerry Boykin (ret), former Green Beret.

He enumerated examples of a Marxist insurgency occurring in this country which include:

1. Nationalization of major sectors of the economy.
2. Redistribution of Wealth – Obama’s head of Medicare/Medicaid said ObamaCare’s purpose is redistribution of wealth.
3. Discredit the opposition – Obama’s DHS reports the greatest threat to the U.S. is Christians, pro-life citizens, Second Amendment supporters, and returning military veterans. No mention of Muslim extremists.
4. Censorship – under the guise of hate crimes legislation.
5. Restrictions on Gun Ownership – Obama agrees with the U.N.’s restrictions on private gun ownership and wants to lend his agreement and signature to these restrictions. Further, “Fast and Furious” will prove to be an illegal exercise designed to restrict our Second Amendment rights.
6. Implementation of a National Civil Security Force – Obama’s health care legislation calls for an armed force equal in size to the U.S. military (similar to the Brown Shirts).

I could go on and I’m sure you retired at a rank higher than General Boykin and that your service record is even more distinguished than his (cough). Marxists cannot be convinced that what they are doing is wrong, but others may appreciate his perspective.

http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america

Listen to General Boykin and decide for yourselves.

GaBlue

July 26th, 2011
6:51 pm

Where is Dave Ramsey when we need him? He’ll tell you, when your household has a debt problem, you need to cut spending AND increase your income/revenue. Take a second job. Sell something nice that you probably shouldn’t have purchased in the first place. It’s a TWO-pronged approach, dagnabbit. Mr. Ramsey also advises the family to eat more beans. Beans are cheap! You don’t need steaks and restaurant food every night. Eat more beans!

Here’s what Mr. Ramsey WON’T tell you: let the most vulnerable members of the family (Grandma & the kids) make sacrifices, give up their things and eat beans while Mom & Dad dine on ribeyes and salmon every night, washing it down with good wine, and driving their freaking Escalades to work every day. HELLO?

Anyone who gives a good gosh darn about this country will be willing to PITCH IN, not pitch fits about tax breaks for corporate lear jets that only last five years instead of seven. WTF is the matter with people who WANT their own country to fail just because we have a President that they didn’t personally vote for.. this time? Jimminy H. Christmas on a peppermint stick, y’all.

The Centrist

July 26th, 2011
6:51 pm

Anybody that thinks voting on a balanced budget amendment is being fiscally responsible have a serious cranium issues. These are the same folks who refused to even discuss PayGO, but willingly gave Bush a bunch of blank checks, the credit cards and mortgaged the House.

Another Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
6:54 pm

RGB, you are hilarious. So Obama personally dipped $100,000 out of my investment accounts. I did not realize that. But I do recall alot of economic turmoil and the stock market and real estate tanking in late 2007 and 2008 before Obama took office. And duh, we already knew that the gap between the wealthy and the middle and working classes (disproportionately minorities) has greatly widened over the last 25 years. That is not Obama’s doing. You are just another clown ensuring that folks making millions of dollars a year continue to pay historically tiny tax rates while the deficit grows to the detriment of the country. Those fatcats (and you ain’t one of them) are laughing at you until they wet their pants.

td

July 26th, 2011
6:58 pm

Vince D

July 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

You seem to forget that these same companies that give the US also say that if we do not deal with the deficit in a SUBSTANCIAL way then we will loose our rating. So giving Obama more money to spend without cuts is going to be just as bad as not raising the debt ceiling.

Alabama Communist

July 26th, 2011
7:01 pm

More Breaking News On The Speaker Troopers leaving him!!!!!!………….The Speaker Spokensperson said today that the Speaker was in a anger mangement Group Therapy group and would issue a statement later today, after 678 Boxes of Crying Towels are deliver to him…

Another Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
7:07 pm

Thank you, GaBlue. Well said.

Martin Williams

July 26th, 2011
7:07 pm

I love my conutry, United States Of America. When these GOP idiots talk about cut spending, NONE of them talk about bringing the troops home from Iraq/Affganistan/or even close some of the hundreds and hundreds of military bases we support all over the world. Damn America, it is time we wake up ans smell the RAT. Some of these idiots lease 30-50 thousand dollar vechicles for congressional use, now that is a good way of cut spending per GOP.

The Centrist

July 26th, 2011
7:09 pm

RCB, we don’t have a clue as to what Gen. Jerry “one of the brilliant geniuses behind Abu Ghraib, and also played a major role in the horrendous disaster at the Branch Davidian” Boykin’s adds to the debt limit debate. Besides calling Obama a Marxist is a put-down. Everyone knows that marxism is only the start of the economic evolution that builds up to socialism and then to communism, which most conservatives say we have already reached in less than two years. SMH.

Ekim

July 26th, 2011
7:14 pm

That’s rich, RGB. It’d be funny if it was.

Wake Up Georgia!

July 26th, 2011
7:15 pm

The squeaky wheel seems to get all the grease, especially when it is a rich big wheel. The Tea Party is and was a fringe group of the Republican Party that got the attention of the main stream media with its 100 people here, 50 people there, rallies in 2009. Give them credit, even though a minority, they took over the GOP and the folks at CNN and elsewhere while the Democrats became complacent and didn’t go to the polls in 2010. Now we are all paying the very, very heavy price. These folks may mean well in their own minds, but they are destroying a country. As long as there is more than one person in this country, there has to be compromise. These particular right wingers are really giving my favorite drink, iced tea, a very bad name.

I Know You Are But What Am I?

July 26th, 2011
7:22 pm

The problem is that the Republicans want things done NOW when it took decades for us to get into this mess. Where were the calls for a balanced budget amendment from 1994-2006, when the GOP held the Congress? Where were the obstructionist tactics when Bush spent us into poverty and Cheney declared deficits don’t matter?

You can’t fix this overnight. Incrementally, for certain. This manic approach is going to absolutely destroy us.

A hit dog barks

July 26th, 2011
7:24 pm

From all those who are barking so loudly about people calling YOU racist for your patheticity toward Obama. The shoe fits! Wear it !!!

Ralph

July 26th, 2011
7:25 pm

I never thought I would miss Bill Clinton.

thenextchoice

July 26th, 2011
7:28 pm

It is sufficiently evident that our political system has failed; blame both democrats and republicans.
They can both stuff it; I have joined Americans Elect.
http://www.americanselect.org/

Sam I Am

July 26th, 2011
7:28 pm

No racist folks in the south, not now , not ever.

GaBlue

July 26th, 2011
7:32 pm

Check out the PolitiFact link on the right about Tom Price. Dr. Price is certainly hoping you won’t!

F. Sinkwich

July 26th, 2011
7:36 pm

thenextchoice, please get out of your parent’s basement and get a job.

Oh, that’s right, because of Hopey/Changey you can’t.

F. Sinkwich

July 26th, 2011
7:36 pm

Ralph, me either.

Native Atlantan

July 26th, 2011
7:37 pm

Oh boy…..I guess most of you do not have mortgages, rental agreements or car payment so you really only spend what you earn. I call tilt ….

John Konop

July 26th, 2011
7:42 pm

It is Time

Both deals proposed by the GOP HOUSE and Reid avoids the tough choices we as country need to make ASAP. Both plans avoid the real spending cut issues with entitlements and military that is the key to balancing the budget.

As far as taxes we can not afford to tax at a federal 14% rate when we know 18% of GDP has been proven to be the ideal rate. And for anyone not to support fixing loopholes and subsides to fix this problem is irrational. I remember when conservatives use to be against picking winners and losers with the tax code.

I realize bending cost curve on healthcare will be tough on many. Yet we cannot keep taking 1 dollar and keep spending 3 dollars on Medicare. We cannot avoid dealing with tough issues like end of life cost, higher co-pays, less elective coverage if at all, negotiated drug prices……….

I realize many will be hurt by rising the age on social security eligibility based on life expectancy. But this tough call must be made. And I do think a national sales tax to replace FICA would soften the blow and create more jobs.

While I know this deal is not perfect, I do think the gang of 6 compromises is a great first step and all of you no matter what side, should reach out to your congressman. This is the only plan that attempts to deal with the above key issues. And if we do not get a real plan and only band aides proposed by the GOP HOUSE and Reid we will all pay for this mistake. Interest rate increases will have major affects on the economy from consumer spending, jobs, housing………

It is time to act like adults and stop playing politics. Please call and do not be fooled by the politics.

thenextchoice

July 26th, 2011
7:45 pm

fsinks, if your reading expertise goes beyond comic books, and

if you feel like learning something, try reading through the link provided.

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7:47 pm

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Andrew D

July 26th, 2011
7:47 pm

The speaker and his party are wrong, dead wrong. 1st let’s not forget how we got into this mess. We have been fighting a couple of wars for a long time, and war isn’t cheap. 2rd. more and more americans are depending on social security, medicare, and other programs for help. The rich are getting richer on the backs of the middle class and especially the poor. But my biggest problem with the current speaker was when he refused to take the call or call back the president. If you don’t respect the man respect the office. 2012 is just around the corner.

Frederick Douglass

July 26th, 2011
7:55 pm

Anyone here ever pour salt on a snail as a kid? Remember how the snail writhed in agony, and turned yellow, we said it turned to butter. Well that’s how I imagine racists react when they’re outted for being, well, racist. Obama’s not perfect, hell who is, but there’s more than a little anvil tying on the man’s feet, as he tries to swim.

John Konop

July 26th, 2011
7:56 pm

Andrew,

……The speaker and his party are wrong, dead wrong. 1st let’s not forget how we got into this mess……

While you make a valid point about the war, both sides have their hands all over this mess, from derivative issue, poorly negotiated trade deals which gutted the middle class that decrease manufacturing jobs by over 300%, gutless irresponsible behavior on dealing with entitlements, avoiding dealing with bending the cost curve on healthcare……..

RD

July 26th, 2011
7:56 pm

Graves and his ilk will destroy the USA if given the chance. That chance is coming. Wake up America!

Ghost Rider

July 26th, 2011
7:57 pm

Martin Williams:

Your President can order the troops home tonight. Your argument would be with him, not the GOP or Democrats.

TheAntiMe

July 26th, 2011
8:00 pm

All through American history, crisis has been averted by the two political parties reaching a necessary compromise. What is happening in Washington now is easily reflected when reading these political message boards. In many cases, supporters of each party can see their party’s view and have no tolerance to even consider anyone else’s point of view. Even to the point of calling anyone who disagrees with them names, which really, does not enhance their own point of view in the least.

It’s time for these politicians to put their own personal agenda’s aside and do what’s right for the American people and, obviously, that would be to come up with a compromise to avert this very nasty situation that is almost surely going to cause all of the people who they were elected to represent additional unnecessary financial pain when most are already in a world of hurt as it is.

Whose fault is that, someone will surely ask? It is the fault of both parties as we didn’t get into this situation overnight and so it is up to both parties to find a compromise and stop catering to their own selfish whims.

John Doe

July 26th, 2011
8:13 pm

Every time I open AJC.com. Another animal has killed,raped,molested. People stand up for a child molester? When are we going to stop this?

WillieRae

July 26th, 2011
8:23 pm

Of course Jim ignored the fact that Obama had a deal this pastmweekend but couldnt keep the farthest left on board. it seems that “Insider” has become “Onesider”

redneckbluedog

July 26th, 2011
8:26 pm

I heard on the internet that Brainer was going to start a new, moderate caucus called the Red Dogs…..He doesn’t want to, but Cantor has flanked him on the right……He’s going to get enough votes, along with Pelosi, Hoyer, and the Democrats to pass something in the House…..Hell, I may come back to the fold if he does that…ONE RULE…NO CRAZIES ALLOWED..!!!!

Scott

July 26th, 2011
8:33 pm

“Elections Have Consequences”…yes they do. The consequences of voting for the Tea Party will be… 1. much higher debt because when we default interest on the debt will cost trillions (with a T) more. 2. anyone who doesn’t make a whole lot of money will be screwed because mortgage rates will go up as well as car loans. 3. The TP has no plan to reign in costs of medical care…just kill medicare/medicaid… that enough for you…if your are too stupid to see whats happening with your own 2 eyes without the talking points…there is no hope. This is the “Shock Doctrine” being played out right in front of us

blue_moon

July 26th, 2011
8:46 pm

There’s nothing in the Constitution that prohibits recalling members of Congress? Let’s do it!

TheAntiMe

July 26th, 2011
9:09 pm

There’s nothing in the Constitution that prohibits recalling members of Congress? Let’s do it!

Actually, blue_moon, your suggestion is a whole heck of a lot nicer than some of the things that I have been thinking that I would like see done to them.

double

July 26th, 2011
9:39 pm

BBB- SP all because of mismanagement and stubbornness.

td

July 26th, 2011
9:40 pm

See the problem is we all think our own Representative is right and doing what we want it is the other politician that needs to be kicked out of office. I think my conservative Rep is doing the right thing but think Scott, Lewis and Johnson are all totally wrong and should be removed from office. I am sure there are many on this blog that will totally disagree with my thoughts.

The real problem we have is not the Congress or really the President but instead we (the people) are a country that is 35% left, 35% right and 30% that just does not give a damn.

ObamaIsWrong

July 26th, 2011
9:59 pm

I have been contacting every congressman I can urging them to reject both boehner’s and reid’s plans. Moodys and S&P both have indicated they will reduce our rating unless we get $4 trillion in cuts over 10 years. Neither plan comes close to that, so why pass something that will be ineffective? cutting $4 trillion should be a starting point, not an end goal. We must phase out all entitlements and $4 trillion is only a start. We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. I’m resigned to having our credit rating reduced and our interest costs rising. until we can replace obama in 2012 we don’t have a chance to start to get our debt under control. I have also realized over the past few weeks that the tea party must separate from the republican party. Republicans who aren’t tea party affiliated are all just moderates who can’t be depended on to be tough and do what is right for this country. I cannot support any candidate who believes that the country’s revenues are not enough already. We need to cap our spending and balance our budget. My checkbook is balanced to the penny each month, why can’t the country do the same?

tell the truth

July 26th, 2011
10:14 pm

Sam I Am No racist folks in the south ? Now or ever? You are a complete moron evidently. I was born in middle Georgia over 70 years ago. Grew up amongst em . And folks like you give high credence to the knowledge that racism is alive and well in the south especially in the Republican party.

tell the truth

July 26th, 2011
10:21 pm

ObamaIsWrong Your tax cut and crapola will never passs the senate pal. Deal with it. The wealthiest in America are not paying their fair sharee- haven’t for over 12 years. And they are not making any sacrifices in the proposals that are being made. The Republicans are so obviously in the pockets of big business and could not care less about the poor and working men and women in this country. You and your tea party criminals don;t deserve to lead this country. The only thing you did during the Bush 8 years was lead us into two wars- one illegal; pander to the rich(again) bring us the financail crisis and take this country to the abyss that we now find ourselves looking into. We need to create jobs for the unemployed in this country and you want to cut spending so that there is literally no chance of creating those jobs. The wealthy don’t care one lick for the American working families. And you know it. You people are the biggest hypoctites in the world.

td

July 26th, 2011
10:41 pm

I have never understood why my liberal friends think 39% is “fairer” than 35%? Someone please explain this concept to me. When 48% of the country is paying 0% it is hard to understand why so many people think it is critical that the top 1% has to pay 39% of their income to the Federal government.

rooster

July 26th, 2011
11:11 pm

Looks like the original RetiredSoldier runs the two words in his handle together, while the new one inserts a space. Someone else posted under my handle, quite by accident I’m sure, by capitalizing the R. Remember, the slightest alteration of an existing handle creates an entirely new one.

Rethuglicans

July 26th, 2011
11:55 pm

td
July 26th, 2011
10:41 pm
I have never understood why my liberal friends think 39% is “fairer” than 35%? Someone please explain this concept to me. When 48% of the country is paying 0% it is hard to understand why so many people think it is critical that the top 1% has to pay 39% of their income to the Federal government.

You are a fool to think the top 1% in this country pay 39%. The average tax rate for the top 1% was ONLY 16.6% What I wouldn’t do to pay 16.6% tax rates!?!?!?!?!

And just to further disprove you, here is a link to that lamestream media liberal rag WSJ….

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/02/17/a-look-at-the-tax-returns-of-the-top-400-taxpayers/

captguitarman

July 26th, 2011
11:57 pm

So it hangs no on a balance budget amendment to the Constitution? The Pubs are self-destructing. Such a thing is not posssible without control of the presidency and at least one House, if not both. And even if one is ever passed — even if the Pubs have the Presidency and both Houses (now, far, far less likely than such a thing would have been just a few short months ago), it would still be full of so many emergency provisions and loopholes that it would be a meaningless piece of legislative Swiss cheese. Too bad about this, but the Pubs did paint themselves into a corner, and now with the Tea Party, the Pubs own version of the Peroistas who split of for Ross Perot and once handed Bill Clinton the presidency, I guess we will get to watch that happen again in 2012. And where are the Peroistas today? The same place the Tea Party will a short few years from now. No elected President, House, or Senate is going to impose a balanced budget amendment on this country, I don’t care how conservative or far right it is. Why? It is not in the best interest of the politicians who run this country, and it never will be. What a stupid and totally impossible and unlikely thing to use to court fiscal disaster. And I mean the disaster that will also befall the Pubs if the economy implodes over this, because they will shoulder most of the blame. It may not be right or fair, but it is reality. And all the gains of 2010 will evaporate over night. Rally behind Boehner you morons, or accept the consequences – consequences that will, under Dems back in control, with a Dem president re-elected, continue to erode this nation.

Teddy Roosevelt

July 27th, 2011
12:28 am

Scott, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

S

July 27th, 2011
1:18 am

The republican/Tea Party has forgotten why they were sent to Washington, TO SERVE THE PEOPLE. Not their own Ideology, NOT the corporations, and especially NOT their self serving selves. 2012 is right around the corner your days of being in office are numbered. The people of this country who you are NOT serving now, will make sure you will NOT have a second chance to put this country in jeopardy. 464 days and counting till the election, we will NOT forget your names.

Rethuglicans

July 27th, 2011
1:26 am

Teddy Roosevelt
July 27th, 2011
12:28 am
Instead of countering Scotts points, you call names. Grow up and stay off the blogs until you have something to add to the discussion.

Buckhead Boy

July 27th, 2011
3:04 am

Seems to me that the feared “Marxist insurgency” isn’t succeeding, and our oligarchy will last a bit longer.

HDB

July 27th, 2011
4:49 am

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

“The wealth gaps between whites and minorities have grown to their widest levels in a quarter-century. The recession and uneven recovery have erased decades of minority gains, leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data. The white-black wealth gap is also the widest since the census began tracking such data in 1984, when the ratio was roughly 12 to 1.”

You’re misquoting the Pew report; the loss occurred over the past DECADE….during the BUSH years!

clem

July 27th, 2011
6:07 am

let’s offer all tparty members the state of alaska and pay for them to move….or maybe texas, la, miss, al……then let them secede….and take grover nerdquest with them

Travis McGee

July 27th, 2011
6:53 am

I did a little research and found that the Bush Tax Cuts cost the government over $2.4 Trillion in lost revenues with minute positive results in only 2006 and 2007, the Ten Year Wars $1.292 Trillion, the Prescription Drug Bill whill not costing quite as much as anticipated $1 Trillion and the TARP $900 Billion for a total of $4.6 Tillion dollars in debt and lost revenue before Obama found out where the bathroon was in the Oval Office.

And, most of these ol’ boys who are now appalled at the mess we’re in were there to speed these massive spending bills and tax cuts and loopholes right on down the line.

Dang hypocrites whose only concern is to torpedo Obama’s reelection.

Mike

July 27th, 2011
7:08 am

Buddy Darden just summed up why he was thrown out of Congress. He voted the national Democratic Party line, which was very liberal, in a conservative district.

Obama is Wrong

July 27th, 2011
7:20 am

Tell the truth,

Please tell me how a job is “created”? It is created when a company has a need AND the money to pay a person for their labor (and that includes their salary, benefits, SS, etc.). Thus, when companies have more money to pay for the people, there will be jobs. Did you not see the recent Steve Wynn interview where he shot down Obama as killing jobs in this country? You are obviously blinded by your wealth envy and can’t see the forest for the trees. What makes you think I’m not one of the “working people”? Well, I am. I don’t own my own business. I work 40 – 50 hours a week like most people. My grandmother couldn’t read or write and worked at the Fulton Cotton Mill for more than 40 years before dying from brown lung disease. My father never finished high school but he and Mom made sure I had a good education. My Dad worked two jobs for many years as I have. We never counted on the government to help us and we were never disappointed. I consider myself a Christian (my daughter is a pastor), but I do not believe in entitlements. Yes, God wants each of us to help the poor but my govt forcing me to turn over money to inefficiently create govt jobs to “help” the poor is not what God had in mine. God only asks us to tithe 10% of our earnings. Well, guess what? The government should be able to run on no more than 10%. Down with Obama, Down with Democrats, and down with Republicans who will not stand and fight to take back this country from liberals and moderates.

Bill Orvis White

July 27th, 2011
7:22 am

I’m sick and tired, but not sick and tired enough to stay off of the Internets. I’m sick and tired of Wa$hington $pending my hard-earned dollar$ on handouts to society’s deadbeats, abortionists, feminists and seculars. Y’all know something? I’m not surprised. Hussein Obama promised throughout his whole 2008 campaign about the damage he was ready to do on this once-free nation’s economy. As rational folk from Real America begged Lil Hussein that 1. the rightful Bush tax cuts were working and it just needed time to continue working 2. the rightful Bush Surge in Iraq was rightfully working, but of course, Lil Hussein didn’t want to listen 3. the Republican Agenda of pro-growth, low/no taxe$ brings prosperity to all.

No, Hussein Obama didn’t listen. He and his thugs in the campaign and then his administration, the union thugs, enviro-whackos, anti-business folk, Communists/Socialists, feminists, seculars, anti-military folk and far left liberal college professors bought and paid for this “president” and then installed him into office.

Now, we are dealing with this anti-colonialist Kenyan-born Muslim who wishes to raise the debt ceiling and WE THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING NO TO MORE BIG GOV’T SPENDING, PERIOD!

Speaker Boehner has upset me plenty even though I love him. He didn’t stand enough with the Ryan Plan and for that, I really feel that Speaker Boehner needs a Tea Party Republican primary challenger to send a message to him. But, if he doesn’t hold to his rightful Cut and Cap plan, then he and his supporters are fired next year, pure and simple.

ANGRY AS HELL

July 27th, 2011
7:28 am

I’m angry as hell! Thanks to the Bush Tax Cuts, and all the other tinkering Republicans have done to the tax code for the last 25 years, the rich have gotten richer, and are paying less taxes now than at any time in our history. The middle-class has dwindled and paid more to fill the revenue gap created by these efforts. Someone blogged earlier,”Where are all the jobs created by the Bush tax cuts?” Why, they’re overseas, that’s where they are. The rich in this country couldn’t give a damn about American workers. If it’s true that Boehner called Rush Limbaugh to seek his approval before unveiling his so-called debt reduction plan to the rest of us, then we know what shape this country’s in. When the American public finally wakes up and sees what’s been done to them, they will go after the Boehners, the Ryans, the Cantors, the Bachmans and the rest of those who put corporations and the richest of the rich above the average working American. This is a sad period in our history.

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
7:28 am

It is everybodys responsibility to pay there bills. Raising this debt ceiling is about paying for the car we’ve already bought, not a new one. We already owe these bills. They are paid or the collection agencys come calling.
I say pay up, then get into some serious debate (key word here is serious) about debt reduction and less spending. SS and Medicare are much too important to too many people to be used as bait.

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
7:32 am

I kinda agree ANGRY. Wingers want less government, but what is filling the gap? We can be governed by a government or we will be run by corporations.

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
7:36 am

Bill O White,
Don’t include me in your WE THE PEOPLE BS.

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
7:41 am

“Yes, God wants each of us to help the poor but my govt forcing me to turn over money to inefficiently create govt jobs to “help” the poor is not what God had in mine.”
I love it when you thumpers “know” what God had in mind.

SmittyATL

July 27th, 2011
7:41 am

Of course Obama is a socialist. He wants to redistribute the nation’s wealth, as most on the left do. No matter how much the top 10% of income earners pay in taxes, his answer is to raise their taxes in order to (partially) pay for more government programs. His vision is a single-payer health care system (although he ended up getting some muddled patchwork system that only partially achieves that goal and that may very well be overturned). He reached agreement in principle with John Boehner on a debt ceiling deal that would have increased tax revenues by $800 billion, then reneged and demanded an additional $400 billion. In order to stir up class warfare, he repeatedly derides those who use “corporate jets,” while he travels the world on an aircraft that costs taxpayers over $187K PER HOUR to operate. Stimulus bill. Cash for clunkers. Tax, tax, tax. Spend, spend, spend, and spend some more. Address economic woes by growing the government, rather than by supporting private enterprise.

It is disingenuous to claim that Obama is not a socialist. Instead of denying the obvious, why not go all-in and make your arguments for why America should be a socialist nation?

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
7:44 am

Is this the famed Travis McGee, owner of the Busted Flush?
Hell, I knew I liked you.

ANGRY AS HELL

July 27th, 2011
7:57 am

lester maddox. we already are run by corporations. Our government is merely carrying out the demands made by the wealthy. The biggest joke being pulled on the average, working American is his/her belief that the people they elect to office care about them or what their needs are. I’ve been around politics and politicians my entire life, and what I’ve learned is that politicians (Dems and Repubs alike, but mostly Repubs) are far more concerned with getting in bed with corporations and the wealthy, than having to protect the middle- and working class people. How many lobbyists are there in Washington, DC who are re-writing the tax code to benefit the middle-class? When people like Grover Norquist tells these Republican Congressmen how to vote and what they better not vote for, or when it matters to the House Speaker what Rush Limbaugh feels about his debt-reduction plan before he unveils it to the rest of us, that pretty much tells you who’s running what. Republicans are quick to accuse Obama of trying to create a class war in this country. It is the Republicans who are causing a class war by destroying the middle-class in order to belly up to the bar with the wealthy and powerful. I recently heard an old line conservative refer to where things are as “Corporate Communism.” I think that best says what’s happening here..Fifty years ago we used to worry about being invaded by Bolsheviks and the Communist Chinese hoards. Well, you better keep your eyes on what the Board of Directors at Citi Bank and Mobil Oil are up to.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 27th, 2011
8:21 am

I’m too damn old to be around, but we’re heading toward an oligarchy.

If you think things are bad now, you ain’t seen nothing. The one’s with the gold are going to make the rules and it ain’t purdy!

How the middle class could have been fooled into backing such a notion is a dang mystery to me, but you’re doing it to yourselves.

Hmmmmmm

July 27th, 2011
8:25 am

Travis Mcgee,

Your probably right about Bush…, but your logic is flawed for this simple reason… Obama has done WORSE in his tenure…. I agree that both parties are WORTHLESS! People are starting to wake up, especially when you have egomaniacs raising millage rates 34 percent in a Georgia county that has over 10 percent unemployment….. Good Grief, sounds like Washington DC… I have NO idea what all these politicians are thinking… A little power corrupts a LOT….

Bill Orvis White

July 27th, 2011
8:27 am

Why raise taxe$ on those who are creating the job$ for us? It doesn’t make any sense. Patriots like Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Norquist are standing up to the system by saying, “WE THE PEOPLE are going to hold you elected officials accountable. If you raise taxes on anyone, then you are FIRED!” And @Angery As Hell – It can be Dems and Repubs who violate their principles. I have no problem getting Speaker Boehner fired if he caves on his rightful Cut and Cap plan, but folk like Hairy Reid, Nanny Pelosi and Bawney Frank are totally anti-American with their tax and spend plans that created this massive out-of-control welfare state.

This is so simple. Stop big gov’t spending, cut the capital gains taxes, lower or even eradicate taxes on business, end unfunded federal government mandates, pass a balanced budget amendment and we will see jobs return to America. @Angry As Hell You obviously engage in class warfare and sound like a deadbeat looking for big gov’t handouts. If Washington just cut the spending, then job creators from small business to large corporations would invest in America. Why do you think Rush and Trump got out of New York as much as they did? Answer: High taxe$! Stop hosing those who achieve and create prosperity for others. If anyone of you lazy secular progressives on here don’t like the fact that the rightful Republicans are holding their ground, then move to a place like Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe or Switzerland. Then, write me from there and tell me how free you are — GOOD NIGHT!

Amen,
Bill

Hmmmmmm

July 27th, 2011
8:30 am

Angry as HELL,

The companies are not doing business in this country because of your government… USA the second highest country in the world to do business! Period. BTW, I would lay odds that the rich pay more taxes than you have paid your entire LIFE!… Please think before you blog, you just make yourself sound STUPID!

Abbreviated Pundit Round-up | Hotspyer – Breaking News from around the web

July 27th, 2011
8:31 am

[...] Jim Galloway: The spectacle of a House speaker unable to rally members of his own caucus doesn’t happen every day – regardless of who’s in charge. In a chat this afternoon, Buddy Darden, an Atlanta attorney and former Democratic congressman, made this point: “The responsibility of being the ruling party, or the party in charge, is that you’re responsible for a positive outcome. This, in my mind, is unprecedented – that the speaker can’t get a majority of his own caucus to step up. There are enough Democratic votes if he can get a majority of his own caucus to pass it. [...]

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 27th, 2011
8:37 am

Since 2001/2002, according to the Center for Defense Information, the Ten Year Wars have cost us $1.29 TRILLION — $170 BILLION in 2011.

The Defense Dept. looks like a great place to start cutting.

And, while the Republican/Tea Party whines about welfare for the poor, I say we need to cut out the welfare to Halliburton and defense contractors that have been eating at the trough way to dang long.

Frederick Douglass

July 27th, 2011
8:37 am

Republicans got drunk on power, went to bed with the Tea Party, now it’s the morning after, and they want to saw their arms off to get away from them.

td

July 27th, 2011
8:39 am

Rethuglicans

July 26th, 2011
11:55 pm

Then why are all of you progressive friend is Washington keep going to the camera’s screaming about doing away with the Bush tax cuts? Either you are wrong or they are demagoguing an argument for wealth envy’s sake?

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 27th, 2011
8:44 am

PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE AT: Tax.com/How did the Bush Tax Cuts Work for the Economy?

Olderandwiser49

July 27th, 2011
8:46 am

Plans such as that proposed by Boehner (tax now / cut later) were passed during both the Reagan and Bush administrations. The taxes were implemented immediately, but the cuts NEVER came. This will happen here, too (just like the GOP’s promise of $100 Billion in cuts became $60 Billion, which then became $39 Billion, and effectively turned out to be a $2 Billion increase in spending). We need MAJOR cuts now, not months or years down the road, and we need a Balanced Budget Amendment BEFORE agreeing to any raising of the debt ceiling. We can’t keep giving our Whiner-in-Chief money to burn!

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 27th, 2011
8:47 am

@Frederick Douglas — Terriffic Post.

But the Republicans got the “gift that keeps on giving” from their brief encounter — and a little penicillin won’t help.

Hmmmmmm

July 27th, 2011
8:47 am

Exactly Olderandwiser49……

Jack Bond

July 27th, 2011
8:49 am

The example of intransigence set by the House of Representatives will visit upon society in more than economic ways. Children will learn that compromise is weakness – that getting along is not what adults do. I am sick.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 27th, 2011
8:51 am

@Bill Orvis White — The effective tax rate is the lowest in 60 years and the Bush Tax Cuts haven’t done diddily over the past ten years.

Please see: Tax.com/How have the Bush Tax Cuts Helped the Economy.

retiredds

July 27th, 2011
8:59 am

In the House of Representatives it’s the “tail wagging the dog”. No problem look at the following link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/26/eveningnews/main20083834.shtml?tag=stack

It is telling that the conservatives talk a great game but when it comes to pork in anyone’s district (Republican, Tea Party, Conservative as well) forget what is said because the federal trough is open. The name for these folks is: hypocrite. So it is not just those evil, mean “librul” Democrats who have their hands out. And my guess is that Phil Gingry, Tom Graves, and other GA arch conservatives are at the trough as well.

BW

July 27th, 2011
8:59 am

This is hilarious…so much for governing….they can’t even get their own house in order. I predict that something gets passed on a bipartisan vote in the House and then is not filibustered in the Senate. After that the FAA funding debacle gets resolved and then both sides dig in for the 2012 election season. If the Republicans win back the Senate and the White House purely on economic failure it will be a modern day Pyrrhic victory. No one wins with the economy in the state that it is in. The numbers don’t lie…medical spending for our aging seniors will continue to eat up the budget in terms of GDP unless some reforms are made. In the meanwhile if we insist on continuing tax breaks and funding 2 and a half wars I don’t see how one maintains that without getting additional revenue. And all this while discretionary spending is cut to and through the bone. I just don’t see the American people being happy about that outcome regardless of which party is in control.

Diehard

July 27th, 2011
9:01 am

Buddy Darden lost his seat in Congress because he followed the Speaker and not the will of those he was supposed to be representing. He remembers more that he’s telling you, Jim.

Ol' Timer

July 27th, 2011
9:03 am

Boehner is trying to legislate like his party controls both houses of the congress. But, in fact, they don’t and they must be willing to compromise — which is what politics is all about anyway — or else there’ll be continued gridlock and the government will shut down.

I don’t think the Speaker wants that to be his legacy — but then again, maybe he does.

Teddy Roosevelt

July 27th, 2011
9:08 am

Rethuglicans- pot, kettle… learn how to take a joke, especially since his post was all name calling.

Jack Bond

July 27th, 2011
9:14 am

Rep. Graves could work on a little “debt reduction” on that loan in N. Ga

Debt "crisis" as a music video on YouTube

July 27th, 2011
9:14 am

Just posted this morning on YouTube. The debt “crisis” as a music video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCpu8QhWS0w

Olderandwiser49

July 27th, 2011
9:17 am

@Angry as Hell

I find it humorous to read your rant on corporations. Take a look at Obama the Great’s relationship with GE. Look at how he screwed taxpayers and investors on Chrysler, and how he is now using smoke-and-mirrors accounting to show what a great job he did. And, whether you want to admit it or not, look at his support of public Unions, and at all the waivers on Obamacare he has given to corporations that support him. I assure you that he is in bed with corporations as much as any president has ever been, and while he may vocally speak against them, he defends those that support him or his ideology. Obama IS orchestrating class warfare. His ranting-of-the-day about “corporate jets” is a way of getting those on welfare to vote for him because if they don’t have a jet, no one else should either (even though they earned the money to get it). The revenue that taxing jets would achieve is miniscule. The vast majority of the $800 Billion ….sorry, I mean $1.2 Trillion (forgot Big O was ordered to change his mind) in increased revenues demanded for his personal spending account would come from the middle class, those you say are being attacked by Republicans. As long as “I want what you have, so give it to me” people continue to listen to Barry’s BS, this country will continue in its death spiral. And before you throw out the race card (the last-ditch effort by liberals when they finally realize that their arguments have no merit), be assured that the ONLY reason impeachment proceedings have not been brought against him is because he is black. His numerous violations of the Constitution and Presidential powers are far more egregious activities than those of Nixon or Wild Willie Clinton, and some are even cases warranting charges of Treason.

karen

July 27th, 2011
9:20 am

BOWhite,
If you listen to Limbaugh and Norquist no wonder your ignorant. Vlose mined drug addicted and fat Rush with a closed mind. But I’m sure you have forgiven him for buying drugs from his maid. He says what you want to hear and makes your mind a little bit narrowwer.

Publius

July 27th, 2011
9:22 am

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/can_give/H0GA09030

Want to see who is giving to a representative? Try this link.

Justin

July 27th, 2011
9:27 am

For 8 years the Bush administration and the Republicans prosecuted two wars and tax cuts without paying for them. This, more than anything is what is responsible for where the country finds itself today. To solve this problem, the President and Congress need to commit to the bi-partisan reccommendations of the Presidential Debt Relief Commission. It calls for shared sacrifices…combination of spending cuts and new revenues

Bill Orvis White

July 27th, 2011
9:29 am

@karen
So you look to leadership and inspiration from union thugs, liberal teachers, Hussein Obama, Nanny Pelosi, Hairy Reid, Bawney Frank, enviro-whackos and secular progressives? You are sad and misguided. Mr. Limbaugh does not tell me what to think. I already formed my rightful opinions after I found the Lord Almighty. I too, was addicted to the drink, just like Mr. Limbaugh was addicted to the pill. God says none of us are perfect so we look to inspiration from higher powers and some here on Earth like the honorable President Reagan, Speaker Gingrich, Rep. Bachmann and so many others. If you are looking to inspiration from the left, you are just sad and stuck-on-stupid.

Amen,
Bill

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
9:39 am

“you are just sad and stuck-on-stupid.”
Amen Bill

lester maddox

July 27th, 2011
9:41 am

Until we man-up and realize the truth about what got us in this mess, we’ll never be able to get out of it. (See George W. Bush)

blue dog

July 27th, 2011
9:43 am

Revenue, as a percentage of GDP, is the lowest it’s been since the 1950’s. The top 400 wealthiest taxpayers pay 18.1% of their income in taxes…this is from the IRS. They paid 29% during the Clinton years…you remember… the last time we had a budget “surplus”. American corporations are hoarding trillions in earning and not using the money to expand or create more jobs. So, more money, via further tax cuts will do nothing to create jobs. The GOP mantra of cuts, cuts, cuts and more cuts is economic suicide, as it would cripple our fragile recovery and condemn even more Americans to walk the unemployment lines. The only people advocating the GOP approach are the talking heads from the right, who are not economist, but “talk show personalities”…and Grover Norquist.
It is truly mind boggling to see that a few “personalities” have more credibility with some people i. e. Tea Party members,and many on this blog, than do all the leading economist in the world.
There is no chance of resolving the country’s problems when we have such ignorant, misguided, headstrong, stubborn leaders as those Tea Party Representatives in the House.
Those of you on this blog advocating for these morons need to get your “facts” from someone other than someone who’s motivation is to keep you “pissed off” with their lies, solely for the purpose of keeping you listening, therefore supporting his livelihood. Make no mistake…Rush and company know you are too dumb to see through their BS. It is not unlike those tabloids were “anything goes”.
No lie is too outrageous for these gullible masses of loyal listeners. Hell, they probably get a big laugh each day, at your expense, when deciding which lies to broadcast.
This would be humorous, if this nonsense had not spread to the point of electing people who now represent you morons….too late.

jd

July 27th, 2011
9:43 am

We are witnessing what happens when “I” becomes more important than we. This secular philosophy of me, me, me — which the Tea Party espouses, is why the Articles of Confederation failed, and why this country will become a Tier 2 country. The so-called Christians in the Republican party need to re-read Acts and understand that you work for the greater good, not yourself.

PC

July 27th, 2011
9:56 am

Just another Joe — GO TO SLEEP!! You are acting like a child, so now it is nap time. Retired Solider and Herbert Johnson, thank you both for your service and your contribution to our Country’s safety — and thank you for sharing your opinions.

SmittyATL

July 27th, 2011
10:12 am

jd: The Tea Party is anything but selfish. The Tea Party is a movement of Americans who are fed up with the federal government’s excessive reach, which has led directly to our massive annual deficits and unmanageable debt burden. If not for the Tea Party, the Democrats would still control the House, Senate, and Oval Office, and would be happily humming along — spending, taxing, and borrowing — toward total economic collapse. Note that S&P is likely to downgrade the US Government’s credit rating even if Congress passes and Obama signs off on a higher debt ceiling. The debt ceiling issue has brought this to a head, but as S&P realizes, the problem is not the debt ceiling itself, but rather Washington’s ongoing out-of-control deficit spending. Rather than slamming the Tea Party, you should thank them for beginning to put the brakes on a Government Gone Wild.

HDB

July 27th, 2011
10:13 am

Olderandwiser49
July 27th, 2011
9:17 am

Bill Orvis White
July 27th, 2011
9:29 am

Methinks you aren’t seeing the reality here! The GOP promotes class warfare by wanting to eliminate the national safety net, creating tax advantages for those OF advantage, and persistent hostilities towards ethnic minorities!! It’s been their policy since 1965!! It was Republicans who advocated universal health care, Affirmative Action and a national environmental policy(Theodore Roosevelt, Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln)…but the modern GOP is anathematic to its founding principles!

BOW – If you honestly look for inspiration from Ronald Reagan – who advocated segregation in Philadelphia, MS – , Newt Gingrich – whose Contract ON America did more to generate hostility in the nation – , Michele Bachmann – who advocates cutting the safety net while receiving subsidies of $150K from the government — YOU are the one that’s stuck on stupid…..and hypocritical!!!

td

July 27th, 2011
10:34 am

HDB

July 27th, 2011
10:13 am

“eliminate the national safety net”

When 25% of the population is receiving from the ’safety net’ then it ceases to become a stop gap measure and turns into a way of life. I for one am totally against a person making a living off the government because they do not want to work or have choosen to make bad decisions in their lives.

” creating tax advantages for those OF advantage”

How can you even make such a statement when 48% of the population pays no Federal taxes and a good portion of those receive money (Wealth redistribution) in the form of EITC?

“persistent hostilities towards ethnic minorities!!”

And that statement is just BS.

TSA on the way to second base

July 27th, 2011
10:38 am

the house republicans should just keep saying we passed a bill (cut, cap, balance); the senate has to take it up, change, and vote on it

this running around on who has a PLAN is just stupid; WHATS THE ONLY PLAN THATS BEEN VOTED ON?

stick with the talking points; REPUBLICANS have already passed a debt celing bill. ITS IN THE Democratic controled SENATE.

mum

July 27th, 2011
10:44 am

Why people continue to compare managing household debt to the national debt is beyond me. I don’t know about you, but only those with money can borrow money these days. If you have to pay your bills with limited funds, you prioritize some by paying the most curcial first and everything else takes a back seat. That’s the new normal for most people out here. There was a time that you could go out and get a part-time job to help pay those bills, but in case nobody noticed, most people aren’t even able to get those anymore. So, which bill do you pay first every month, and who do you stiff because you can’t pay everyone?

The country pays it bills using taxes, remove that revenue and what do you use instead? 14 million out of work and nolonger contributing to the tax base.

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
11:02 am

HBD-

I suggest you do a little research and look at the sponsors of all the bills in say the last 20 years that provided loop holes for taxpayers, corporate, union or individual. I bet you will find at least 50% of them where spomsored by democrats. This idea that republicans are the source of all the tax loopholes is nonsense. The democrats have been in bed with wall street and the unions for years.

Let’s take the tax loophole for private jets. Where and when did that loophole come from? Ready for the answer? It came from Obama and his stimulus plan! But now he wants it eliminated. Why? It’s good politics to play the class warfare game.

Disgusted Republican

July 27th, 2011
11:06 am

As a 100 percent service-connected disabled veteran who also draws Social Security, I am disgusted iwith Cong. Tom Grave’s . His bull headed stand on debt reduction threatens not only my Social Security benefits (which I worked and paid for) and my VA disability compensatrion (which I get for injuries inccurred in wartime service) but those of many like me who depend on these earned benefits just to get by. I and my familly members live in Cong. Grave’s District. We vote in Republican Primaries every time. Enjoy what is left of your term Mr. Graves. We will do all we can to insure that it will be your last one!

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
11:08 am

mum-

Not exactly true, of course to borrow money you have to have the means to pay it back. But credit today is available to those that have good to excellent credit history. In a bad economy do you really expect a lender to lend to a poor risk?

You are correct the 9.2% unemployed is a major factor in our current situation. Obama’s answer? More spending and more taxes. When was the last time you saw an individual, company or country spend its way out of debt?

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
11:12 am

DR-

I too receive a monthly check for my military service. If the debt limit is not raised and you don’t receive you monthly checks you will have Obama to blame. Why? The federal government takes in each month plenty of money to pay the interest on the debt, ss, veteran and the military. If the aren’t paid it is because Obama chose not to pay them.

SmittyATL

July 27th, 2011
11:13 am

mum: You can’t pay your personal bills, and want to give advice on how the US Government should run its finances?!!! I don’t want your “new normal” to become our national “new normal.” I was making big money in the 1990’s. Instead of accepting all the credit offers I received and buying a huge house, impressive automobile, etc., I socked my money away. When my wife joined the ranks of the unemployed and my company went into Chapter 11, I didn’t sink into personal bankruptcy, beg the government to force taxpayers to bail me out, or start stiffing those whom I owe money. If our elected officials could possibly learn to show fiscal restraint — as some of us have in our household finances — perhaps we wouldn’t be in such a precarious situation.

Disgusted Republican

July 27th, 2011
11:17 am

Hey Retired Soldier..I blame all 536 of the jokers in Washington. They have trashed the country we fought for and should be out on their butts…all of them in both parties!

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
11:18 am

Well said SmittyATL.

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
11:30 am

DR-

I share that frustration with you. I was addressing the specific issue of you not receiving your monthly checks. If that happens it will be strictly an Obama/executive branch decision.

A Conservative Voice

July 27th, 2011
11:51 am

I think the American People have spoken…….the majority don’t want the “debt ceiling raised”. This madness has to stop. We cannot continue down this path…..if we do, history books in the year 2100 will have a chapter entitled……”The Rise And Fall Of The American Empire” and the beginning will read……”It all started, when on January 20, 2009, a Chicago Socialist was sworn in as POTUS”

Larry

July 27th, 2011
12:34 pm

If the line is not held now….then when? The path set by previous Congresses and Administrations was doomed to fail. Everybody (politicians) saw how easy it was to fleece America. We have now lost our trust in political parties and individuals.

mum

July 27th, 2011
1:47 pm

Smitty ATL, we are already in the hole, the question is how we get out of it. Who do you choose to suffer the most? You missed the point of my comment. I’ve heard over and over again that govenment should be like households, because it isn’t. How you or I handle our personal finances doesn’t affect our neighbor our entire neighborhood, or the state does it?

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
2:01 pm

mum-
It does. If you live in a subdivision with 100 homes and one house is foreclosed, what is the effect? Not much. But as we see now if thirty-five or more houses in the subdivision are forclosed on it will severly affect your home value.

But the real point is the government and we as individuals need to live within our means.

Disgusted Republican

July 27th, 2011
2:04 pm

It may Obama’s decision not to pay Social Security and/or veteran’s benefits because the money isn’t there to pay all the bills coming due but it is the stupidity of both parties now and over the years that got us into this mess. I have held Republican Party offices and been a contributor over the years but that is over! 536 chimpanzees could do a better job by accident! Re-elect nobody!

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
2:10 pm

DR-

If you held office before than you certainly know there is a huge difference between where rep and dem stand on the issues. I agree the reps are not good at times, sometimes just lousy, but I have never seem them worse than the dems.

mum

July 27th, 2011
2:21 pm

RetiredSoldier: I wasn’t talking about borrowing money, only paying bills. I fully understand the concept of risk-reward. When companies can’t turn a profit, they cut employees, file bankruptcy and restructure, or go out of business. Whatever the result, there is typically a domino effect. It’s easy to blame Obama for the stimulus not making everything suddently perfect again, but people fail to realize that it took years to get us to where we are. Just as nobody can guarantee NOT raising the debt ceiling WON’T harm the nation’s credit worthiness, nobody could guarantee we would have weathered the early days of the recession without that money. I’m all for closing some of those tax loopholes. I’ve worked in accounting and seen first hand how little in taxes the wealthy pay as a percentage of income with the right type of accounting.

Big Hat

July 27th, 2011
2:27 pm

I am an anti-christ, I am an anarchist, Don’t know what I want but I know how to get it, I wanna destroy the passer by cos I wanna BE anarchy!

HDB

July 27th, 2011
2:49 pm

td

July 27th, 2011
10:34 am

Let me answer you in this manner:

1 )”When 25% of the population is receiving from the ’safety net’ then it ceases to become a stop gap measure and turns into a way of life. I for one am totally against a person making a living off the government because they do not want to work or have chosen to make bad decisions in their lives.”

If a person is able-bodied and capable of working, then we are in agreement; many, however, did NOT make bad decisions….but were victims of bad circumstances. In that case, a safety net should exist to assist in recovery. The problem is that conservatives paint a DARK picture of those who are caught in the “safety net” when the preponderance of those in that system are white and in Appalachia! Reality, once viewed honestly, is NOT a difficult concept to acknowledge!

2) ” creating tax advantages for those OF advantage”

“How can you even make such a statement when 48% of the population pays no Federal taxes and a good portion of those receive money (Wealth redistribution) in the form of EITC?”
Lest you forget, EITC was devised during the REAGAN Administration as an incentive for those on the poverty line would DESIRE to work! 48% pays no INCOME taxes….but we ALL pay federal taxes in one way or another! If you are going to criticize them….note the LACK of economic possibilities from 2001 to now! Republican ideology has depressed the economy!!

3) “persistent hostilities towards ethnic minorities!!” And that statement is just BS.”
Really?? Review your history….
1) When Southern conservatives left the Democratic Party in 1964 over the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, they migrated to the GOP…and took a racist paradigm with them! When Colin Powell advocated that the GOP embrace Affirmative Action, he was literally BOOED off the stage at the GOP Convention!!
2) Note the hostility toward Hispanics by conservatives via law: SB1070 in Arizona and similar laws in Georgia and Alabama target Hispanics. Lest one forgets that illegals of Caucasian or Nordic descent that cross the Canadian border face no such repercussions!!
3) Note the LACK of minority representation in the GOP – only 125 delegates to the 2008 Convention were people of color!
4) Note the LACK of GOP candidates that campaign in the inner cities…..enough said!!

Those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it!!!!

HDB

July 27th, 2011
2:58 pm

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
11:12 am

When the GOP passed EIGHT clean increases to the debt limit under Bush…and borrowed from the Chinese to fight TWO wars…and NO TAX INCREASES to pay for those wars, where was the outrage then?? NON-EXISTENT!! We all know that the only entity that could have effectively arrest the recession IS the government!! Note how the private sector is HOARDING money rather than working towards improving the national situation!! Note how many jobs have been OFFSHORED rather than hiring people here to do the same!! The government is doing what is NECESSARY to get things back to where it should be!!

Retired Soldier

July 27th, 2011
3:07 pm

Dang right they are racist in Washington. Oh you seem to think they aren’t? You live in a fantasy land. Don’t forget the republicans number one goal when Obama got elected was that they would do everything in their power to make him a one term president. And they are sticking to it, and are not going to compromise with him.
BTW I am a retired soldier with 22 yrs service in the Army. I was first to post on this thread, so I get to use it. Next time, if retired soldier has posted first, I will add a couple characters to the name to be fair. See how easy compromise can be?

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
3:25 pm

HDB-

Let me attempt to answer that long list:

If Bush borrowed to fight two years is it better to borrow to fight three wars? Of course not. Don’t think there weren’t conservatives frustrated with Bush’s big spending ways. I was and that is why I am frustrated with Obama, his debt expansion makes Bush look like a piker.

Private sector hoading money- Don’t forget, it’s their money! They can do with it as they please.

Off shore jobs- Jobs are like money, they go where they are treated best. Want to solve the problem of overseas jobs and off shore money? Adopt the Fair Tax.

The government does best what it does least. In other words let the free market without huge intrusion from the government go about the business of business.

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
3:26 pm

I see my clone is back, the 3:07 is not my post. I see you still don’t have a life.

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
3:28 pm

Other Retired soldier-

Where the democrats trying to support Bush when he was president? Was that racist? Get a life buddy.

HDB

July 27th, 2011
4:52 pm

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
3:25 pm

To re-direct:

1) “If Bush borrowed to fight two years is it better to borrow to fight three wars? Of course not. Don’t think there weren’t conservatives frustrated with Bush’s big spending ways. I was and that is why I am frustrated with Obama, his debt expansion makes Bush look like a piker.”

The questions you SHOULD HAVE asked are these:
1) Why were the wars being funded on BORROWED money….rather than a tax INCREASE….which EVERY President prior to GWB did to fund wars??
2) Why was the Tea Party NON-EXISTENT when GWB was spending this nation into oblivion…but
now they decide to decry the necessary spending the government is doing to arrest a recession??
3) Why after 9/11, did GWB state that the nation needed to “keep shopping” rather than to state that as a nation, we needed to share the sacrifice?
4) Why were the Bush tax cuts ineffective in job creation/

Private sector hoading money- Don’t forget, it’s their money! They can do with it as they please.
There is such an idiom as CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY!! If you decry those in poverty from not having any civic responsibility, why don’t you get on the corporate robber barons who take jobs offshore, and pay NO TAXES……thereby abdicating their civic responsibility??

3) “Off shore jobs- Jobs are like money, they go where they are treated best. Want to solve the problem of overseas jobs and off shore money? Adopt the Fair Tax.”

1) Fair Tax AIN’T fair! It’s another gimmick to shift the tax burden DOWNWARD to those who can least afford a tax increase! What the Fair Tax actually does is INCREASE taxes on the middle class by 50%….but decreases the taxes on the wealthy by almost 62%!!
2) If you close ALL the loopholes that allow corporations to take jobs offshore, it would be incentive to keep jobs HERE! By expanding the labor pool, you expand the TAX BASE!!

3) “The government does best what it does least. In other words let the free market without huge intrusion from the government go about the business of business.”
Regulations are necessary to protect the consumer from unscrupulous business practices, protect the environment, and provide an equitable business environment! An unregulated market opens the door for persistent abuses….like BP, Enron………

Opinion??

Retired Soldier

July 27th, 2011
4:52 pm

That must be your new line, get a life.

Retired Soldier

July 27th, 2011
5:00 pm

No one was asked to sacrifice for Bush’s wars. In fact he gave the rich a big tax break. Bush drove our country to the brink of bankruptcy, and then plopped a big pile of $hit on Obama’s lap.

Why do lower and middle class republicans support their party. They don’t give a rat’s a$$ about you, and in fact you and I are burdens to them. They are all about the rich, and making sure they are taken care of. We didn’t hear a peep when Bush was borrowing money for 8 years….crickets from the republicans….

SmittyATL

July 27th, 2011
6:02 pm

I’m not a Republican, but I generally vote for fiscally conservative and socially moderate (neither Victorian nor liberal) candidates, so based on their positions Republicans are generally more likely to get my vote than Democrats.

That being said, I am old enough to remember the objections to Reagan running up the deficit, and I thought that GW Bush was fiscally reckless. Obama has taken fiscal irresponsibility to a completely new level.

Contrary to popular notion, one does not have to be a Bush fan to be an Obama critic. Not only that — most of us aren’t even racist!

SmittyATL

July 27th, 2011
6:15 pm

Can’t you guys label yourselves Retired Soldier 1 and Retired Soldier 2? That might cut down a little confusion. On the other hand, it’s pretty easy to tell who’s who since one of you (the one with the life!) makes infinitely more sense than the other.

RetiredSoldier

July 27th, 2011
7:42 pm

Smitty-

You said my view point exactly, though I may be a bit more conservative socially.

He said on his post he was on here before me. I have been posting on here 3 years or so and never saw his post until yesterday. What do i know, I’m just a know nothing conservative. Keep the posts coming Smitty.

yuzeyurbrane

July 27th, 2011
8:31 pm

I believe there is an overwhelming silent majority who do not believe in extreme radicals of any stripe. If President Obama would only firmly lead, they would follow. We should not allow the success of factions whose only purpose is to make our society disfunctional in furtherance of their delusional fantasies about leading a revolution of “the real Americans”. If we don’t squash these traitors now, I have no doubt that they will soon move to take away our freedoms.

ANGRY AS HELL

July 27th, 2011
8:45 pm

Bill Orvis White and HMMMMMMMM!

First, off, I have never asked for or received a government hand out. I served my country honorably for 4 years during the Vietnam War. My father and father in-law served in WWII. My son served bravely and honorably in Iraq. So they and I don’t have to be quiet or I have worked every single day of my life since I was 10 years old. I worked and went to school at night to get a college degree. No one’s ever handed me a damn thing. And I don’t need two brainwashed boneheads to tell me which way the wind’s blowing. I may not live to see it, but if things keep going the way they are, there will be a revolution in this country, the likes of which none of us could ever have imagined. I love this country and defended more than most. So, I get to say what the hell I want. And Bill Orvis White, spare us your phony Christian platitudes.You try to speak like a Christian, but your heroes are those who take advantage of the poor and the middle-class. If Jesus were alive today, he’d be helping the poor and the powerless in this country, not the wealthy.

SmittyATL

July 27th, 2011
10:14 pm

ANGRY: It sounds like you’re a person of strong character and backbone. I think it’s admirable that you want to help the poor and powerless; I share that goal. I don’t believe, however, that socialism is the best — or even a good — way to get there. President Obama talks about reducing unemployment, yet he is hostile to corporations; that formula will not work. He wants everyone to own a house, have a new car, and receive a college education; but as we’ve seen, this is not sustainable in the market. I believe we should all help the less fortunate, and I strive to do so. We can live in a charitable society without having a government-engineered economy.

We should also dispel the notion that corporations are evil. No doubt there are some bad apples, but that’s no reason for broad-based condemnation. If we want job creation and a robust stock market (where most of us have our education and retirement savings invested), our country needs profitable corporations.

double

July 27th, 2011
10:53 pm

I know BOW has lost it.He is putting God Almighty in same group as Reagan,Newt Bachmann.When he speaks of R&R he means rapture ready.

ANGRY AS HELL

July 28th, 2011
12:51 pm

SmityATL, I agree 100% with you. I’m not talking about socialism. I don’t believe in it either. What I AM talking about is how quick we are as a society to look to corporate America and corporate titans as sources for morality. I strongly believe that if Corporate America could get its way, it would roll back the calendar to about 1900 and do away with all those costly regulations — regulations on child labor laws, on worker protection and safety, etc. If one is driven exclusively by the profit motive, then it’s far easier to move jobs overseas to countries which still exploit the labor of children or the elderly or the disabled. The question for me is a very simple one: “What kind of country are we turning into?” Have we seen our best days/years? In 20 years when my grandchildren are trying to carve a small piece of good life for themselves, will they find themselves unemployed or unemployable? I meant what I wrote I said that if this country continues to shatter the hopes and dreams of the middle-class while assuring that the rich continue to get rich, there will be a revolution in this country, and it will be brought by the silent majority who will no longer allow themselves toi be treated like chattel property. I hope it never happens, but I think it is very possible.

ANGRY AS HELL

July 28th, 2011
1:01 pm

double–I agree with you. Isn’t it amazing how some people who call themselves Christian can misrepresent who Christ was and what his ministry was about? BOW is just such a person. He thinks the Lord is on his side, and the side of the Rush Limbaughs, Sean Hannitys, and the side of the Corporate Communists.

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