A Republican caucus fleeing its House speaker?

U.S. Rep. Tom Graves, R-Ranger, announced this afternoon that he couldn’t support House Speaker John Boehner’s deficit-reduction/debt-ceiling plan.

From the press release:

“While I’m supportive of the Speaker’s fierce resistance to job-destroying tax increases, the debt reduction elements within this proposal have already been tried in the past and failed to stop our government from amassing the $14 trillion debt we have today. Most concerning is the failure to demand the passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment.

“Merely promising another vote will not get the job done. Any spending cuts or caps enacted today will eventually disappear without a constitutional requirement for a balanced budget.”

Graves is hardly alone. From the Wall Street Journal:

The leader of a large group of House conservatives said Tuesday he was “confident” there weren’t enough GOP lawmakers to pass a plan by Republican House Speaker John Boehner to increase the debt ceiling and reduce the deficit.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn’t cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.

The spectacle of a House speaker unable to rally members of his own caucus doesn’t happen every day – regardless of who’s in charge. In a chat this afternoon, Buddy Darden, an Atlanta attorney and former Democratic congressman, made this point:

“The responsibility of being the ruling party, or the party in charge, is that you’re responsible for a positive outcome. This, in my mind, is unprecedented – that the speaker can’t get a majority of his own caucus to step up. There are enough Democratic votes if he can get a majority of his own caucus to pass it.

“But personally, it looks to me like [House Majority Leader Eric] Cantor is undermining the speaker….The speaker has apparently lost control of his caucus – which I’ve never seen.”

“I was there with three speakers – with Tip [O’Neill], Jim Wright and Tom Foley, the weakest of whom was Tom Foley. But still, there was a certain recognition that when the time came, you did what you had to do. Some of us, at different times, didn’t always go along with the caucus. But we realized that there were certain times – when it came to the speaker, when it came to the rules, when it came to the overall operation of the body – that you had to step up.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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184 comments Add your comment

Rickster

July 26th, 2011
4:44 pm

Just because he’s speaker… doesn’t mean he is right. The members of Congress are supposed to answer to those that elected them – not their party leadership.

Flash

July 26th, 2011
4:44 pm

The party of no can not even say no together. What a mess the Republican party finds itself in. Painted into a corner of their own making, and now can get nothing done. I predict we will see more speaker of the house tears flowing soon.

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

July 26th, 2011
4:45 pm

Buddy Darden said a mouth-full. If you didn’t do as Tip O’Neill demanded, you lost committee seniority and invites to nice events. If you crossed Jim Wright, you lost all of the above, plus donations, money for your district, and you got handed a new a$$ personally by Wright himself.

You kind of have to hand it to the Repubs – they could have been in the cat-bird seat for the 2012 elections, and here they go around biting each other in the a$$ instead.

Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
4:58 pm

Republicans will pay dearly for this come the next election. They are nothing but a bunch of bullies who will stop at nothing to ensure this black president doesn’t succeed. They are that bitter, and frankly I am disgusted by their tactics.

Vince D

July 26th, 2011
5:12 pm

Job destroying tax increases? OK… I’ll bite… so where are all the jobs that the Bush tax cuts created?

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:15 pm

Ah Flash. I’m always ammused when the libs take the low row and start using phrases like the “tea baggers”, “party of no” when everyone does not just accept and do what they want. They get their feelings hurt.
The Dems owned all three branches and had a responsibility to submit a 2011 budget and failed to do so. Now in the nth hour everyone is supposed to come together and make a hastey decision. I am reminded of a sign I once saw, “failure to plan on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part!”.

double

July 26th, 2011
5:18 pm

And I don’t believe Retired Soldier responsible for the above post at 4;58 Also I think this is the time to demand a Balanced Budget Law if the Republicans do not take advantage and demand balance budget.Congress should be first pay cuts.After all they are ones responsible for the condition we ar in.

Centrist

July 26th, 2011
5:18 pm

A former Democratic Congressman commenting on Republican issues is totally worthless.

Elections have consequences. Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party House members who got elected last November are skeptical of gimmick accounting that has always been used in the past. Whether Speaker Boehner can round up enough Republican votes to add to Democrat votes in a final plan is what this will all be about.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:19 pm

Retired Soldier, let me make sure I get this right. This is a racism thing? Thanks for bringing me up to speed, because I hadn’t considered that conspiracy.

Department of the Obvious

July 26th, 2011
5:21 pm

Um, Joe, a debt ceiling restriction is not the same as submitting a fiscal year budget — and until Obama was president, increasing the debt ceiling was routinely supported by both parties. Except, ironically, by Senator Obama back in ‘06, but that was back during the Bush Presidency when Dick “deficits don’t matter’ Cheney was calling the shots.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:22 pm

Here is a question for everyone who things raising the debt ceiling or taxing more is the answer. How many times when you ( and if a bigger credit card or bigger handout is your solution to a financial problem I do me YOU) spend more than you bring in do you go back to your boss and demand a bigger salary?

RetiredSoldier

July 26th, 2011
5:27 pm

The 4:58 post is not mine. Who ever did that is a sorry individual. Anyone remotely familar with my posts know my problem is with Obama’s policies, not the color of his skin. Get a life

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:27 pm

How right you are Department of the Obvious. But you don’t raise a debt ceiling when you have a budget in place that doesn’t require a bigger credit card. The whole reason for a budget and budget review is to say ” How much do I have coming in and how much are my bills”. Once you know those two things you have two possible choices to addressing an issue. Raise revenues (Tax more; those evil rich and all of thier money) or spend less. God forbid we ask the Government to stop spending our money. I make less than a $100K and I ain’t looking for the folks in the million dollar mansions to give me a hand out. I have no problem asking them if I can mow thier grass for a decent wage but I wouldn’t do the same thing in the projects.

RetiredSoldier

July 26th, 2011
5:28 pm

Thank you double.

Denny

July 26th, 2011
5:29 pm

When answering to the right wing base is the most important thing for the republicans instead of doing what is right for the country it’s a sad day for all of us in the middle class.

Vince D

July 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

JP Morgan has said that the cost of the U.S. debt being downgraded from our current AAA rating would be an astounding $100 billion a year. And even if thee government does not default, a downgrade alone “will offset any beneficial impact from any deficit reduction that will have to happen for the debt ceiling to be increased. In short, a downgrade would cause a permanent increase in borrowing costs, which will make it more costly for consumers and businesses to borrow money, risking another recession.

So go ahead Republicans… flush our future down the toilet just so Obama does not get reelected.

View From Midtown

July 26th, 2011
5:30 pm

Congratulations to all the Tea Party whackjobs who are about to destroy this fragile economy; I guess you all got suckered into buying Glenn Beck’s overpriced gold coins and needed to find a way to make them pay off.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:31 pm

Retired Soldier (Imposter). You are such a coward that even in an anonymous post you would hide behind someone elses handle. Ah, what is this world coming to.

Retired Soldier (Actual) You are vindicated and your service is appreciated.

why not

July 26th, 2011
5:33 pm

This whole process just shows how all of them but especially dems want to hang on to their power and keep getting more and more money from the people. They all promise way more than they can deliver. I’m glad to see a verbal minority refusing to spend additional borrowed and stolen money.
It is time to cut and cut deep! Better now than later.

Centrist

July 26th, 2011
5:37 pm

Only Charlie Brown believes Lucy might not pull the football away, and Popeye might give Wimpy money today for Hamburger when he will gladly pay it back on Tuesday. Democrat promises of future spending reductions are no longer believed by most folks.

Just another Joe

July 26th, 2011
5:39 pm

Really people? Read between the lines and take your research further. S & P said that even if we had a deal right now, that anything offered that does not support long term spending reductions leaves us subject to down grade; aka balanced budget amendment. And again, remind me how this is all the Republicans fall. This didn’t just happen since the 2010 elections or since the entrance of the Tea Party on the seen. As “Department of the Ovious” pointed out the debt ceiling has been an issue going back to at least 2006. Why didn’t the President make that priority number one before spending more money on health care?

Big Wheel

July 26th, 2011
5:40 pm

I thought the Gramm Rudman amendment that was passed during the Reagan administration was supposed to balance the budget?
What ever happened to it?

DannyX

July 26th, 2011
5:42 pm

LMAO, is that the “centrist” position on the issue Centrist? Your far right Tea Party side is now the center? Just ignore the 73% of independents that want tax and spending cuts in ALL the latest polls?

Is that what we should do “Centrist?” Just ignore the center?

confused

July 26th, 2011
5:44 pm

“White House threatens to veto Boehner’s House plan” – Let’s see…a “Veto” that is a serious “NO”. Harry Reid says, in the Senate that the plan is a “non starter”, which is a “no no no we won’t even consider it”. One party has passed a plan more than once. The other party has said no to both plans. Who is the party of ‘no’ again?

Rethuglicans

July 26th, 2011
5:51 pm

Just another Joe
July 26th, 2011
5:15 pm

The budget ceiling is something new? last minute? It was John Boehner himself who said Obama came to the House in January recognizing the need for a debt ceiling limit increase. Nice try on your lies though.

dandydawg

July 26th, 2011
5:54 pm

WOW!!! You would think this was the first time the the debt ceiling was raised by the comments of the people on this blog. Bush didn’t have a problem getting it raised and I am sure none of the other presidents had a problem.. but, now Obama has a problem with getting it done…. Call it what you want, but he is the only president that sits in the white house, with a different skin tone. SO, yes, I do believe that they are trying to railroad this President.

gm

July 26th, 2011
5:54 pm

Its not Boehner fault, he is being held hosage by the most selfish, Anti Americans, worst Americans since the Klan the tea party hypocrites”””

Rethuglicans

July 26th, 2011
5:55 pm

Just another Joe
July 26th, 2011
5:22 pm
Here is a question for everyone who things raising the debt ceiling or taxing more is the answer. How many times when you ( and if a bigger credit card or bigger handout is your solution to a financial problem I do me YOU) spend more than you bring in do you go back to your boss and demand a bigger salary?

Again, more faulty logic Joe. As an eight-year-old, I could answer this for you. If I wanted to buy something and didn’t have enough money, I would try to pick up an extra yard or two in the neighborhood to mow. I would find another way to make money. What I wouldn’t do is give me customers a discount and expect them to use that to grow their yards.

Another Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
6:08 pm

Is it possible there are two retired soldiers in Atlanta? And yes, there are plenty of racists, many of them no doubt weighing in on this article, who want to see Obama fail. There are the ones who idiotically call him a socialist, when he is basically an economic centrist.

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:12 pm

gm gets the IPD* by virtue of his “Klan” reference.

Seems it wasn’t that long ago when thrift and living within one’s means were virtues.

[*Idiot Prize of the Day]

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:12 pm

“economic centrist”

We have a tie.

Truth

July 26th, 2011
6:13 pm

Who cares, they’re all morons. And yes.

Truth

July 26th, 2011
6:15 pm

And from the looks of the comments here, so are all of you.

Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil

July 26th, 2011
6:15 pm

“it looks to me like [House Majority Leader Eric] Cantor is undermining the speaker….The speaker has apparently lost control of his caucus – which I’ve never seen.”

The GOP (Boehner and Cantor) are a bunch of fools!

For all of you who voted for them YOU GOT WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! You have been bamboozled by a bunch of dummies who don’t know their a*s from a whole in the ground.

Corey

July 26th, 2011
6:15 pm

Back in the day when Democrats began moving toward a more inclusive society aka full citizenship for blacks some in the party became known as Dixiecrats.Today the Republican party has become too moderate for some of its members who call themselves the TEA Party. You gotta love it.

Knows Graves Well

July 26th, 2011
6:21 pm

Boehner is learning what Graves’ GA House colleagues have always known: his way or the highway. No such thing as any position except Tom’s & he’ll hang you out to dry in a minute.

Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil

July 26th, 2011
6:21 pm

@dandydawg July 26th, 2011 5:54 pm

It is as clear as the nose on your face. They do not want to agree with anything Obama wants.

They are hell bent on bringing this BLACK president down and putting him in his place. But mark my word this is going to backfire on the GOP. They are not only messing with Obama but their own constiuents who voted for them.

REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED AND STABBED IN THE BACK BY THEIR OWN PARTY!

Another Retired Soldier

July 26th, 2011
6:23 pm

RGB, make the case that Obama is a socialist. I dare you. Does advocating raising the highest marginal tax rate on the top 1% of earners by, say, 3% make you a socialist? Don’t think so, chump.

confused

July 26th, 2011
6:27 pm

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies . . . Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. — Sen. Obama, March 20, 2006

On this vote every single Democrat voted against raising the debt limit.

I’m BO only said that and voted the way he did, then, for political purposes. I’m sure it’s the same reason everyone (GOP, Dems) do what they do now. This stuff is nothing new. You want something different?…vote for Ron Paul.

Tifton Tiger

July 26th, 2011
6:27 pm

Finally we see a true conservative leader – Tom Graves!

Standing up to the out of control congressional spending.

We need more like him in Washington!

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

Obama’s policies have reduced the net worth of the average American by $100,000. For minorities, the scene is even worse as reported in this AP story today:

“The wealth gaps between whites and minorities have grown to their widest levels in a quarter-century. The recession and uneven recovery have erased decades of minority gains, leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data. The white-black wealth gap is also the widest since the census began tracking such data in 1984, when the ratio was roughly 12 to 1.”

You radical leftists use the “racist” phrase so often that it no longer has any meaning. But isn’t it interesting that under Reagan blacks were much better off than under non-racist (or is he) Obama?

You people tire of hearing “a rising tide lifts all boats” so perhaps “a declining tide sinks all ships” [Obama version] is something you can sink your teeth into.

Ramguy

July 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

I think the main motive behind the republipukes is power not racisim…..but the fact that he’s black is just gravy.

confused

July 26th, 2011
6:31 pm

Why do liberals and Dems introduce race into the conversation so often? Ironically, they are usually pointing fingers too. How do they get away with this straight faced?

Ghost Rider

July 26th, 2011
6:31 pm

Unfortunately, Speaker John Boehner appears to have very little “backbehn”. President Obama has proven that he will not take “yes” for an answer, and prefers to play this situation for his re-election purposes. Failure to gain a balanced budget agreement that will be enacted into law prior any concession given the President on this issue is folly. The same is true of meaningful spending cuts and deficit reduction.

Bottom line: President Obama and the Democrats are playing “politics as usual” with their tax, borrow and spend methods.

RGB

July 26th, 2011
6:32 pm

I also smile when I hear people such as Sheila Jackson dash Lee say that Republicans oppose Obama’s desire to increase the debt ceiling because they are “racist” [incorrect application of the word, but Sheila also thought that the astronauts had planted the U.S. flag when they landed on Mars).

Under Obama the debt ceiling increased:

-> by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama’s first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act;
-> by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009;
-> and by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010.

So, if Sheila is right, then Republicans didn’t realize Obama was black until 2011.

confused

July 26th, 2011
6:33 pm

RBG – now that is funny

Ghost Rider

July 26th, 2011
6:38 pm

Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil”

“They are hell bent on bringing this BLACK president down and putting him in his place. But mark my word this is going to backfire on the GOP. They are not only messing with Obama but their own constiuents who voted for them. ”

I see that we’re back to “black”. When people can’t adequately defend the President or his policies, or when others dare to criticize him or his policies, it’s because he is a “BLACK man”.

Get a life . . .

jconservative

July 26th, 2011
6:41 pm

Amusing.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio) does not like the Boehner plan because it only cuts spending $1 trillion.
Yet 2 weeks ago he walked away from a plan that would have cut $3 trillion in spending.

Tom Price wants a Balanced Budget Amendment and does not like tax increases. He is yet to realize that a Balanced Budget Amendment may just guarantee tax increases. A balanced budget does not guarantee spending cuts only that the budget be balanced. Tax increases are easier than spending cuts. Look to the Georgia General Assembly for proof. They have raised taxes several years in a row in order to balanced the Georgia budget.

The Centrist

July 26th, 2011
6:47 pm

Whatever happened to paying folks off on the house floor?

Herbert Johnson

July 26th, 2011
6:48 pm

Retired Soldier
You view is straight and to the point.
From a Retired Marine.