Nathan Deal: Let’s look at consolidating Head Start and pre-k programs

Tim Bryant with WGAU (1340AM) just sent a sound clip from Gov. Nathan Deal’s speech to the Athens Rotary Club. It includes this:

If we can get additional federal assistance, I think we can show that we can achieve very positive results. I, for one, believe that we ought to be seriously looking at consolidating the Head Start program with our pre-k program.

Deal said the two programs have different agendas, different schedules and have different criteria for teachers. But …..

“$180 million is poured into Georgia through the Head Start program. I believe if we were to consolidate that, bring it under one unified approach to pre-k – I believe we would be able to show some very positive results in the years to come.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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td

July 13th, 2011
2:16 pm

Head start and Pre K are nothing more than a glorified baby sitting scam and should be eliminated completely. Study after study shows there are no long lasting effects for head start participants in their educational success. Parent should take the responsibility of getting their children prepared to start school. It is not that hard to read to your children and show them their ABC’s and 1-10. If a parent can not do this then maybe they should not have any children. Why do we (the taxpayer) have to pay for lazy parents?

Ghost Rider

July 13th, 2011
2:32 pm

Baby-sitting scam, indeed! The children arrive just in time to get their breakfast and remain there until after they have had their lunch. Not only do the taxpayers pay their baby-sitters, taxpayers pick up the tab for their meals. In many of these cases, the SINGLE parent is receiving government assistance from a number of different egencies.

Keep doing this GOP

July 13th, 2011
2:36 pm

Td, when did the taxpayers start supporting pre-k ? Pre-k is funded through the lottery program . You have a choice if you want to support pre-k.

Debra

July 13th, 2011
2:43 pm

Not all pre-k classes are funded by the lottery. Some districts have more pre-k classes than what the lottery pays for and in most cases the lottery funded pre-k classes don’t cover the complete cost of the class. I’ve sat in pre-k classes and they teach what parents should be teaching. It is a glorified baby-sitting operation for the poor, middle class, and the very rich. Not something that the tax payers should be funding at all.

Oh Intown Writer...

July 13th, 2011
2:47 pm

Spot the folks who don’t have small children and who have done no reading on education.
Elementary teachers across the board always indicate they can tell an incoming kindergardener who’s been to Pre-K vs. those who have not – they are better socialized and ready to learn.
And I believe there’s ample evidence indicating kids who go thru Head Start may not pull better test scores per se, but are much less likely to drop out and become delinquents, etc.
A win for society overall, or have you forgotten about the likes of 30 Deep -?
Jim – this is much better suited for the Get Schooled blog than here. Hopefully Maureen will cross-post…

Everyone's An Expert

July 13th, 2011
2:51 pm

Clearly, everyone is an expert when it comes to education. They receive “glorified baby-sitting” when they are 4, but a 5-year-old kindergarten class is okay. Well, if education is the sole responsibility of the parent from 0-4, why not through age 5, 6, 7. I would love to see the child development research performed or studied by td, Ghost Rider, and Debra.

illuminator!

July 13th, 2011
2:55 pm

I have worked with a number of Head Start programs and can say from experience that they are not worth the money. On many occasions the child would not be in school for mandatory medical screening or other functions because the single parent couldn’t get out of bed to get them dressed and ready for the bus that came to the front door. It is an absolute waste of money. A baby sitting job to say the least.

ByteMe

July 13th, 2011
3:01 pm

I believe if we were to consolidate that, bring it under one unified approach to pre-k – I believe we would be able to show some very positive results in the years to come.

Faith-based educational leadership at its finest.

brad

July 13th, 2011
3:15 pm

Get rid of both programs. These kids need to pull their own weight, and the sooner they learn that, the better. Then when we pull funding for public schools, they’ll be ready to fend for themselves.

Akateach

July 13th, 2011
3:25 pm

I am a teacher of these young kids. I agree with Mr. Deal to put them together. Some of the ignorant people on this post have forgotten that these are the children that will determine many things that will happen in our future as the elderly in GA. They can’t pull their own weight that is why there are programs like these. These children are our future. The legislators, police, firmen and many other occupations that are going to provide when those that are saying to “let them hold their own are saying”. Be careful of the words that you say today, your future might depend on those same words later. AKATeach

Ben E. Henn

July 13th, 2011
3:32 pm

Good idea. Another good idea- Like California, split georgia into two separate states. I have picked a name for the 52nd state which would be Georgia’s southern half. A take off on Cincinnati, it will be called Hottenatty.

catlady

July 13th, 2011
3:34 pm

Just give him that federal money!

Just Me

July 13th, 2011
3:36 pm

Out of all the many many things that my tax dollars are being “wasted” on, this is one I don’t mind. If we cut funding here, taxes will NOT go down. They’ll just find something else to spend the money on and I’m sure whatever it is will be much less important than education.

These kids are also going to be the ones paying for your Social Security and Medicare in a few years, unless the dummies in Washington are successful in screwing up those programs also. Or do we want to blame the kiddies for that mess too?

cameron

July 13th, 2011
3:37 pm

People posting here are misinformed. Research supports pre-k and Head Start.

Ghost Rider

July 13th, 2011
3:51 pm

“People posting here are misinformed. Research supports pre-k and Head Start.”

. . . and many of the posters (or their relatives) supporting it receive monetary gain from the existence of these programs.

Keep doing this GOP

July 13th, 2011
3:57 pm

You either pay now , with research supporting pre-k and Head Start, or you pay later , with increased taxes for prisons, detention centers, etc. etc.

Id rather pay for Head Start and pre-k any day.

Aquagirl

July 13th, 2011
4:01 pm

I would love to see the child development research performed or studied by td, Ghost Rider, and Debra.

Research? They don’t need that, seeing as how those 5 year olds should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, dadgumit! There are people out there so nasty and mean they feel it’s more important to “get even” with imaginary welfare queens, they have no problem sticking it to some child who might actually benefit from the program.

Ghost Rider, you’re right I’ll get monetary gain from these programs, so will you. A stupid populace doesn’t provide much of a tax base.

pre-k for everyone

July 13th, 2011
4:16 pm

Parent’s should get their kids ready….but they don’t always do so or are unable because they are uneducated themselves. Why should we let the kids suffer because the parents don’t get them ready?

BTW research supports pre-k

Dont assume

July 13th, 2011
4:18 pm

What makes you think that those parent who send their kids to pre-K are lazy? Do you actually go to their homes and witness what their parents do with their kids?I think not. Some of these parents put their kids in preK because they want their kids to have social skills and what is wrong with that?
The next time you discuss “taxpayers” ,think about what YOU’RE getting from the taxpayers that some people may also see as lazy.. Maybe you shouldn’t have/go to college. Only 5 or more percent of people are rich, so just in case you went/planning to go to college, more than likely you got financial aid(some scholarships included), if you have/are in the military, forget about the VHA/FA loans. It’s also from the government,you don’t need your pay check. Much as you would love to believe that it doesn’t come from the government, unless employees are being paid the illegal way, it’s coming from the government. Also Social security checks come from the government.

The thing that trips me out about the ” taxpayers” is that some of these people assume that people that parents don’t pay taxes for this service DO! There have been people how may have been laid off from their jobs and now probably rely on putting their kids in that program.I would be careful who I criticize. You may be riding high thinking that you’re holier than thou now,but you could end up being in that same position like those ” lazy” parents.

OhComeOn

July 13th, 2011
4:20 pm

Any program that teaches 4 and 5 year olds the basic ABCs and numbers and counting gets my vote. How can anyone possibly think that in today’s economy this learning and prep for school is not required? My children did preschool and it made all the difference in Kindergarden and 1st grade. They were ready for school and graduated with honors. BTW, many preschools are teaching basics of foreign language. And for those nimwits who say single parents don’t deserve the economic support of Headstart: how in the blue blazes do you expect a single parent making maybe up to $10 an hour pay for living in our expensive society and the total childcare bill too? Would you rather these moms not work and go on federal/state support for EVERYTHING? Reminder: HOPE preschool is Lottery funded and after hours care requires money to come from the parent. OMG, after seeing some of the stupid comments from some Georgians I now understand why Georgia has a history of ranking low in academic comparisions.

td

July 13th, 2011
4:21 pm

Aquagirl and others: Here is a $7 billion study from ACF that states the benefits of head start are gone by the first grade. This program is nothing more than free baby sitting for welfare recipients.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/opre/hs/impact_study/index.html

Dick

July 13th, 2011
4:26 pm

go back to the old days. Let kids start school in 1st grade BUT make parents teach them at home until that time. Pre K, head start are expensive baby sitting services, which I may add are needed due to the stupid past democratic politicians buying votes.

td

July 13th, 2011
4:27 pm

OhComeOn

July 13th, 2011
4:20 pm
Any program that teaches 4 and 5 year olds the basic ABCs and numbers and counting gets my vote

Why should the tax payers pay for something that should be a parents responsibility? Have parents become so sorry that they can not find the time to read to their own children and teach them to count?

2 + 2 = 3

July 13th, 2011
4:33 pm

end both programs and give vouchers to parents to find whatever skool they want.

education at this age is irrelevant to long term achievement.

Roekest

July 13th, 2011
4:35 pm

Anyone who thinks all daycare centers are babysitting services either have no kids (and therefore no dog in this fight), don’t need to use a daycare center (because mom married a sugar-daddy), or you send your kid to a shady daycare center run by someone’s cousin.

My wife and I both work and therefore must send our daughter to daycare. My 3-year old is smarter than her friends who don’t go to daycare and smarter than her cousin who is the same age. Our center teaches our child the fundamentals and we reinforce that education at home.

If some of you ignorant blog posters (of which the AJC has no limited amount of) still think daycare is useless and Pre-K doesn’t help, I’m sure my daughter will love signing your paychecks when she’s your boss at 30 and you’re pushing 70 and still trying to make ends meet.

ByteMe

July 13th, 2011
4:36 pm

Here is a $7 billion study from ACF that states the benefits of head start are gone by the first grade

Except if you actually READ the report, you’ll see that kids who get into Head Start — especially those from disadvantaged situations — are less likely to be disruptive/hyperactive and more likely to be socially integrated with other people than kids who don’t get it. Seems like the big complaint from most teachers has to do with disruptive kids making it hard for everyone else. If Head Start reduces that, it’s a win for everyone else.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 13th, 2011
4:36 pm

Some of you guys are pathetic in your opinionated ignorance.

Based on the treatment education gets in this “near the bottom” state I’m surprised that some yahoo has suggested a one room school house with a school marm where she can teach em’ all how to pray, read the good book, say the pledge of allegiance, and do readin’, ritin’ and rithmetic.

When you’re messin’ with education, it reminds me of the ol’ Fram Oil Filter commercial where the mechanic says, “Pay me now or pay me latter.”

If we really work at it, we might be the very bottom of the list.

And, so it goes. . . . .

Bo U

July 13th, 2011
4:36 pm

I wish people would get all the facts before typing their comments.Pre K and Headstart are two different schools. It is not a glorified babysitting service neither yes some children who attend parents receive welfare and believe me a lot more work than you think. Pre K kids and Headstart kids are tracked until 12 grade, if you had children in school you would know this…..ever fill out all that paperwork on the first day of school when a child comes home ….you would know. There is a difference in the teaching in Pre K and Headstart.Pre K money comes from Lottery ,Headstart money comes from government. As for welfare,more people receive foodstamps than money because you gotta give up the dad to get money and many will not do it.Great comment..OhCome On ,seems we know what is going on rather than thetypical streotype

Wow

July 13th, 2011
4:40 pm

If the Headstart Program helps the kids by, Teaching them to socialize, Getting them ready to learn, and teaching them the ABC’s and 1,2,3’s why not just do it in June and July? It will still be fresh and they will have a HeadStart,

Remarkable

July 13th, 2011
4:43 pm

Consolidating the two WOULD save administrative costs and building costs. Every little bit helps.

rod

July 13th, 2011
4:46 pm

I like the post from those saying you will be depending on your social security from these same children. lol. I love it. I can’t wait for these same people to hear those same words from those same kids when they get old. Cut the utility subsidy, recreation center etc. Careful what you wish for you might get it when you need it(poof programs gone).lol Just like those that hated food stamps are on it now and eating the da– food. Hypocrites lol

MrLiberty

July 13th, 2011
4:46 pm

Agreed. Combine them and shut them both down!

td

July 13th, 2011
4:51 pm

Roekest

July 13th, 2011
4:35 pm

Who said daycare was useless? You my friend are paying for the services your child receives and that is exactly what should happen. You do not need nor should you get a government program to defer the cost of raising your child.

Ouch.

July 13th, 2011
4:54 pm

I was a Headstart child…way back in 1967 – 68, somewhere in there. Folks seem to forget what Headstart was meant to do, namely help to enrich the educational experiences of very poor children PRIOR to regular school so that they entered school on the same educational footing as their wealthier peers. So, while the “effect” seems to disappear by the end of 1st grade…that’s rather the point. These kids aren’t distinguishable from their peers because they are now fully inculcated. Ask a first grade teacher if she or he can point out the kids who DIDN’T get the benefit of Headstart or other similar Pre-K services prior to Kindergarten. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts they can. The kids who don’t have that experience or don’t come from a literature-rich environment are typically the ones who are seriously behind academically…already.

So, while lottery-funded Pre-K and federally funded Headstart are two different programs, they share the same goal of helping our poorest students get ready for structured education. If Gov. Deal can find a way to merge the two here in GA, then more power to him.

GaBlue

July 13th, 2011
4:54 pm

It looks like td is okay with the children of under-educated parents becoming under-educated adults, trapped in a system that is doing them no good, and never pulling their own weight in 21st-century America. Hmmm… I would have thought the bootstrap proponents would be in favor of children learning what a bootstrap IS, so they can one day obtain such a strap and pull themselves up by it, so as not to be a burden on poor, poor, over-burdened td who carries the whole weight of Georgia on his own good godly shoulders…. Bless his heart.

td

July 13th, 2011
4:57 pm

ByteMe

July 13th, 2011
4:36 pm

I did read the report. If you would take a moment to comprehend the material then you would realize educationally head start does nothing for children. Children (even poor children) catch up and surpass these student by the end of the first grade. There is no evidence presented that said children in head start programs would achieve at a lower rate if they had not been in the program.

former prek teacher

July 13th, 2011
4:58 pm

Enter your comments here

mechelle

July 13th, 2011
5:02 pm

td. You are an example of a good reason why God should wipe the earth clean AGAIN and start all over….you sorry bum…

KeyKey

July 13th, 2011
5:03 pm

Like “Keep Doing This Gop” stated, you have a choice to support the Pre-K program and that’s the only reason why I play the lottery. If the lottery money was used for the intended purpose then this situation could have been avoided. Misery loves company that’s all I have to say.

former prek teacher

July 13th, 2011
5:07 pm

While it is true that there are problems in Head Start, the program is definitely needed.Unfortunately,they are unable to provide adequate teachers and thats where the program lacks. Its crazy people are actually blaming children for their position in life.wow.
In regards to prek,I had low income families and the vast majority of them were not lazy.In GA there are standards, the kids learn in various ways,and the teachers assess the children’s work to show learning is taking place.As all other grades continue to push everything down,prek has remained authentic and thats important. Even so,we didnt just do ABCs and 123s. There was science projects,studies of ocean animals,writing workshop,author studies,extensive vocabulary building,and a focus on emotional maturity to foster independence. All of these things prepare them for the grades to come.
People are so worried they are going to help someone else.So much so that they are labeling people they do not know.There are parents that you never see because they cant get a day off of work or they will lose their jobs.There are some people who dont feel comfortable coming to school because even the teachers have these negative views of certain groups of people that they otherwise would never have any contact with. Dont assume you know why you dont see a parent. And if they are,in fact,too lazy to bring the child in.Guess what,thats not your concern.Your concern is to teach the child when they are there.
There are also lazy people in every socioeconomic level. Im so sick of selfish people.

td

July 13th, 2011
5:09 pm

GaBlue

July 13th, 2011
4:54 pm
It looks like td is okay with the children of under-educated parents becoming under-educated adults, trapped in a system that is doing them no good, and never pulling their own weight in 21st-century America.

There is no empirical evidence that head start makes a difference in the long term educational success of a “poor-child”. There is research that shows children are more educationally successful, less likely to end up in jail, more likely to be successful in the job market and less likely to to drugs when raised in a two parent household. If you want to improve the lot of “poor children” then you really should concentrate in this area.

heather

July 13th, 2011
5:11 pm

After reading all these negative comments about pre-k and headstart I have come to the conclusion that the ones speaking against both either have zero children or are too selfish to care about the wellbeing of anyone else! Maybe you are just the perfect parent that has loads of time to teach your young children while balancing work, families and anything else that applies. What about the teaching jobs that it would effect? There is no perfect answer to any of the financial problems or goverment issues. No matter what the outcome, someone will be for it or against it.

td

July 13th, 2011
5:11 pm

mechelle

July 13th, 2011
5:02 pm
td. You are an example of a good reason why God should wipe the earth clean AGAIN and start all over….you sorry bum…

Typical liberal response when you can not defend your philosophy with evidence or reason.

Everyone's An Expert

July 13th, 2011
5:12 pm

Well, TD has convinced me that parents should be responsible for their children’s early education. Pre-K is not necessary. I suspect that much of the early grades are unnecessary too. (Those that can’t perform 5th grade math should not be having kids anyway.) My children are well into grade school and have not learned anything that I don’t already know. Make parents responsible for the first 10-15 years of life. Companies could then bid on which kids they would like to apprentice. Taxpayers are out of it. And lottery funds could be spent on boat ramps.

soldiergirl

July 13th, 2011
5:13 pm

td please…you don’t know the half of it…come to suburb. These suburban mothers aren’t teaching their kids either…they are too busy drinking mimosas and playing bad tennis while their husbands are doing “sales” on the golf course to pay for the day care centers their children attend so someone elese can teach them. Meanwhile the average mother whose child is in a head start program makes minimum wage and is either taking care of the tennis mom’s tot in a child care facility or ringing them up as they purchase a new pair of Crocs.

GaBlue

July 13th, 2011
5:14 pm

td,

Right. I guess when you put it that way, sure! Counseling dysfunctional 21st-century American adults who come from broken homes themselves how to “make marriage work” would be a much more useful and successful endeavor that teaching children how to read & write. What’s the address of the family counseling clinic YOU set up? **insert eye rollie icon**

Travis McGee

July 13th, 2011
5:14 pm

The Republican/Tea Party seems intent on taking us back to the 19th century. The more their true motives and intentions are brought to the light the less chance they have of being elected in 2012.

“A conservative is a man who believes that nothing should be done for the first time.”
~ Alfred E. Wiggam

PreKTeacher

July 13th, 2011
5:16 pm

Ga PreK could be good, but Ga doesn’t even require a certified teacher to be in the classroom. Many places prefer to hire the person with only a CDA to save budget money instead of someone who is certified by the state to be a teacher. Also, many teachers will tell you they can tell which children go through traditional PreK programs and Ga PreK. Ga PreK focuses more on social readiness and self independence than on academics. Traditional programs pull all of that in, as well as working on having them academically ready. Ga PreK is more concerned if you offer multiple types of blocks in your room than if you are qualified to actually teach. It’s a joke in most places!

td

July 13th, 2011
5:21 pm

soldiergirl

July 13th, 2011
5:13 pm

I do not doubt what you are saying for a minute, except I know a lot of stay at home moms who do not do any of what you describe and their children were prepared and excelled in school.

clem

July 13th, 2011
5:23 pm

you’ll need to listen to td….he posts so often that he must know everything, be head of his own company (has no boss so he can post whenever he wants) or works for the tea party wing of repub party and is paid to post.