Talk of a Macon-for-Thomasville swap in redistricting

Just got off the phone with former House Democratic leader DuBose Porter to ask him about his appearance in Macon last week on behalf of mayoral candidate Robert Brown, the former leader of Senate Democrats.

Current Georgia congressional district boundaries/DOT

Current Georgia congressional district boundaries/DOT

“I think the world of him,” Porter said. But Porter’s presence stirred some speculation that the former candidate for governor might also be kicking the tires on a run against U.S. Rep. Austin Scott, the rookie Republican from Tifton.

Porter said, no, he’s not running. What’s more, he thinks Macon may not be part of Scott’s 8th District come 2012. Porter says he’s hearing a great deal of talk that the Republican-controlled Legislature next month could hand Macon and its mid-state Democratic environs (Fort Valley, etc.) over to U.S. Rep. Sanford Bishop and the 2nd District.

In return, the heavily Republican city of Thomasville near the Florida voter – which is now in Bishop’s district – would be shifted over to Scott. Both congressmen would benefit from the deal.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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45 comments Add your comment

CobbGOPer

July 11th, 2011
12:34 pm

Meh. I’m ok with this.

Ryan

July 11th, 2011
12:34 pm

Shame. Would have loved to see Bishop lose.

Sick of Scott

July 11th, 2011
12:34 pm

Is there any move afoot to eject the sliver of the 13th District away from David Scott? Scott doesn’t lift a finger to help Smyrna, and is scared to death of appearing in public there. His last open-to-the-public appearance in Cobb was all the way back in 2008. Since getting embarrassed on camera by a constituent in Douglas County, he’s refused to show his face outside of big meetings in Clayton County full of SEIU goons.

Bottom line, Scott regularly loses the Cobb precincts by 2-1, and as such pays no attention to anybody north of I-20. His “constituents” in Cobb are getting taxation without representation.

ByteMe

July 11th, 2011
12:56 pm

So if I understand right, the 8th becomes a district that’s about 200 miles long by about 14 feet wide?

Joe Democrat

July 11th, 2011
1:00 pm

Sick of Scott – actually the “bottom line” is that Scott got 57% of the vote in Cobb County in 2010, which was probably the most Republican year since he’s been in Congress. His constituents in Cobb County as a whole prefer him to the Republican alternative. Maybe not in your neighborhood in Smyrna, but South Cobb is more than just your hood these days.

CobbGOPer

July 11th, 2011
1:07 pm

“…South Cobb is more than just your hood these days.”

Yeah, it’s THE HOOD from all appearances. SW/West Atlanta creeping in for years, and not for the better. No offense, that’s just the facts.

Sam Ervin

July 11th, 2011
1:08 pm

Wait a minute. Fort Valley’s already in the 2nd District, as are Byron and Marshallsville to the north and southeast. Do you mean Perry and Warner Robins?

CobbGOPer

July 11th, 2011
1:13 pm

@Sick of Scott: I admit I have no idea how David Scott treats with constituents, but if he’s ignoring you for whatever reason, then try Gingrey or Price. Just because they don’t represent your area doesn’t mean they can’t help with an issue.

MrLiberty

July 11th, 2011
1:19 pm

No matter how you carve it up, Hank Johnson certainly doesn’t represent me.

When this country was founded, given the fractional count for slaves, the lack of vote for both women and blacks, etc. there was about only 5000 voting citizens per elected representative in the US House. Now it is more than 700,000. What a sham it is to say we are “represented.”

I am certainly not advocating a return to the late 1700’s, but the constitution clearly says 1 representative for every 30,000 and we have been getting more and more screwed ever since. In 1929 in yet another example of the horrible progressive agenda that has destroyed this country, the number of representatives was capped (only to be marginally increased for Hawaii and Alaska.

I don’t know about you, but if my representative had to answer to only about 5-10,000 citizens he definitely would know what we are concerned about and there is even a great possibility that I might even have the chance to know him/her as a neighbor, etc. Instead I have a clown representing me that will never care about what I want out of the Feds and who cares more about who is filling his campaign coffers than what his constituents think – as with most congressmen.

And just imagine how ineffective government would be with say 10-15 thousand congressman in session (that’s a good thing by the way). Imagine if there were even 2500. We might actually be able to get a couple of extra parties into the mix to help hold the current two-faced one party system accountable.

The debate shouldn’t be over redistricting, which will be as political as ever this year and result in little more than a giant incumbent protection scheme. The real question should be how can any of us feel represented by the current system and is the US too large to continue this way or if so, should Congress become a WHOLE lot larger.

Alabama Communist

July 11th, 2011
1:23 pm

More Breaking News On Redistricting…….The Georgia Republican Party said today that they gave up a draft choice to the Atlanta Falcons to be name later. The Georgia Democrat Party said they were leaving the leaque of Politics and would search for another State next year

Ole Roy Barnes

July 11th, 2011
1:25 pm

Isn’t Obama doing a wonderful job!

Joe Biden

July 11th, 2011
1:33 pm

The stimulus is working!

MrLiberty

July 11th, 2011
1:34 pm

And by the way, in addition to the original apportionment being only 30,000 “citizens” for each representative, the Federal Government did virtually nothing at the time. Frankly up until 1900 most people had NO dealings with the feds whatsoever except the postal service. Now the parasites infest every corner of the nation. They “own” most of the land in many states, regulate virtually everything you do from waking until bed at night (and even there too). They steal on average 40% of everyone’s income, dictate what you can eat, what you can drink, what medicines you can take, what you can drive, what you can smoke, what you can say, how you can participate politically, who you can vote for, and I could go on.

If the Feds had nothing to do with my every waking moment I would care little about my complete lack of representation. Given that they do not afford me any real freedom, there are only two reasonable solutions – either increase the amount of representation by 100-1000 times or cut the size, scope, and power of the federal government by 99%. American would greatly benefit from either suggestion (but most especially the second).

Hank Johnson

July 11th, 2011
1:37 pm

Looks like I’m a lock again.

Keith

July 11th, 2011
1:41 pm

As if Macon doesn’t have enough “democrat” problems already.

RGB

July 11th, 2011
1:43 pm

Rome burns, Guam tilts, and the U.S. flag waves proudly on Mars as people in all 57 states look for answers.

Hank Johnson

July 11th, 2011
1:51 pm

Isn’t anyone else concerned that stationing more U.S. Marines on Guam will cause the island to tip over?

jsmtih

July 11th, 2011
1:57 pm

gotta love ol hank johnsons district about 1/10th of the people who live in the district pay all the taxes and have no representation . the people who divided up these districts sure did a wonderful job!! i wonder what is the real reason behind all these funny looking districts on the map??

[...] Jim Galloway tackled one rumor earlier today, one which I also heard for the first time over the weekend: That DuBose Porter may be interested in challenging Rep. Austin Scott. I do write for DuBose and Carol Porter’s newspapers, but frankly haven’t asked him about it. Let’s just say I would be surprised if he wanted to challenge Austin, and leave my opinion/speculation at that. [...]

td

July 11th, 2011
2:05 pm

Whatever it takes to get rid of the last white democrat and send two more conservatives to Washington.

yuzeyurbrane

July 11th, 2011
2:13 pm

Sick of Scott, think you are wrong about Scott’s public appearances. I attended a spirited townhall mtg. re healthcare reform in Austell in August 2010. Good attendance and a majority of attendees were TeaParty leaners. Everyone who wanted to got to ask questions. Although I did not agree with many of the questioners, I was impressed by the openness and vigor of the public discussion and the candor and willingness of Scott in responding.

Sally

July 11th, 2011
2:15 pm

@jsmith . Really? Is this a serious question? I’m assuming not cause I think EVERYONE knows what the reason for these district maps are.

Let’s not forget that the state of Georgia is forced to have districts that favor blacks. Which is why with few exceptions these districts have very poor representation. For once, I agree with Cynthia Tucker on this issue.

Ghost Rider

July 11th, 2011
2:33 pm

“Talk of a Macon-for-Thomasville swap”

I am totally in support of this! When can we make the swap? It will be nice to have that beautiful city with a relatively low crime rate instead of Macon with its’ ever-increasing crime rate! Heck, we’ll even throw in C. Jack Ellis. What a deal1

MrLiberty

July 11th, 2011
3:03 pm

Sally – While the Voting Rights Act certainly screws the southern states in their own special way, the process and the problems are the same nationwide. The goals of the legislature are three-fold:

1. Create districts that will generally lean well in the direction of the party in power during the process.

2. Create as many of these districts as humanly possible no matter how you have to draw the lines.

3. Make sure the remaining districts (ideally very few) are so heavily weighted to the other party so that you never have to bother putting any money behind candidates who want to run in those districts.

Sadly they “know” how you are going to vote because they use the Census data (remember that overly invasive questionaire that everyone said would JUST be used for good) to lump everyone into their respective “categories”. So if you meet a certain demographic they know that you are too much of a follower to use your brain and decide for yourself who to vote for and will always vote democrat or republican as appropriate. Sadly, most americans are too stupid to think for themselves, certainly wouldn’t vote for a third party candidate or against the incumbent, so the process is shown to work.

Look up the word “gerrymandering” on Wikipedia or other and read the history and see just how bad it has gotten in other states.

Again, get rid of the power and you get rid of the problem.

Rebel Without A Pause

July 11th, 2011
3:06 pm

What do we have to do to get the 2nd district out of Bishops hands? Anybody?

td

July 11th, 2011
3:11 pm

MrLiberty

July 11th, 2011
3:03 pm

“Sadly they “know” how you are going to vote because they use the Census data (remember that overly invasive questionaire that everyone said would JUST be used for good) to lump everyone into their respective “categories”

Not just Census data but they also look at election results for you polling district and look and trends and voting tendencies of the district. They know if you are a Black woman then there is a 99% chance that you will vote democratic. They know if you are a married white male living outside a city then there is a 90% chance you are going to vote Republican (as long as you do not live in a district heavily union).

Sick of Scott Can't Add

July 11th, 2011
3:16 pm

I am not the biggest David Scott fan, but he doesn’t get beat 2 to 1 in the Cobb portion of his district and he has a highly visible office in Smyrna. Marietta and Smyrna are pretty evenly divided between Democrats, Republicans, and swing voters and the rest of south Cobb is very Democratic. I encourage you to do some in-depth research before running your mouth about redistricting.

Ga Values

July 11th, 2011
3:59 pm

I voted against the wife beater Scott & probably am headed into the new district.. May be I’ll get someone less bad than rich boy Austin.

Concerned Voter

July 11th, 2011
5:03 pm

Uh, pardon me, but shouldn’t Austin Scott be the one mentioned here? Let’s get the appropriate legislators for discussion.

Bibb County:155,000::Thomas County:48,000. I’m not sure I can do this population exchange math.

Just Nasty & Mean

July 11th, 2011
6:00 pm

There is no honor amongst thieves— AND politicians. If it helps to secure their position, they will sleep together.

Checking the numbers

July 11th, 2011
6:37 pm

Smyrna voted 3-to-1 for Bush against Kerry in 2004 (21K to 7K). Not exactly Dem territory.

jeff

July 11th, 2011
7:16 pm

Bishop made one heck of a deal with tghe repubs in georgia. Not only are they adding macon to his district but they are drawing mike keown out of his district. This is exactly what the people of the 2nd district asked the repubs not to do. They are sacrificing the 2nd district.

Watermelondrea

July 11th, 2011
7:25 pm

“…he’s hearing a great deal of talk that the Republican-controlled Legislature next month could hand Macon and its mid-state Democratic environs (Fort Valley, etc.) over to U.S. Rep. Sanford Bishop and the 2nd District.”

Umm it kinda looks like weez democratick voters be geting moved 2 fue districs as possbull.

We’re Still Alive! Open Thread

July 11th, 2011
8:07 pm

[...] Bishop might be the only Democrat in Georgia to come out of the 2011 redistricting cycle in better shape than he went into it…  but of course that spells bad news for John Barrow and any Democrat considering [...]

Smyrna lines

July 11th, 2011
9:16 pm

You know that the Republicans drew the current maps? So, one, you can cry to them and two, they must have rejected your ‘hood as being not in prime GOP territory. Deborah Travis-Huneycutt spent millions in that district and still lost Cobb.

Question Man

July 11th, 2011
9:47 pm

Is it possible DuBose is looking for a place for Carol to run?

Madison

July 11th, 2011
11:28 pm

To mrliberty – railing at government is like yelling at your mirror. When multinational corporations can patent food and prevent farmers from saving seed to plant next year, they love it when you uselessly whine about getting government out of the way because that means you are not watching as they (andnot government) gradually and steadily buy you and take your liberty away.

Rabbit

July 11th, 2011
11:30 pm

What’s going to happen in the 6th?

Concerned Voter

July 12th, 2011
12:00 am

Smiling Democrats, yes!

MrLiberty

July 12th, 2011
8:46 am

Madison – The power of corporations like Monsanto and others comes from their friends in government and the power they use to their advantange. Patent protections (that are now being extended by government law to even the non-GMO crops that are altered by Monsanto’s GMO pollen) are part of the government power process, not the free market. Laws against raw milk consumption and sale, laws that PREVENT labelling of non-GMO foods, laws that prevent promotion of non-GMO products as safer or healtier, etc. Government agriculture subsidies, agriculture import quotas, tarriffs, and policy.

You are deluded if you think that ANY of these giant oppressive corporations have gotten where they are simply because the market wants their products. It is the very fact that the market DOESN’T want their products that they are using the power of government to FORCE these things on us.

The only people that can take away my liberties is government. The sooner you understand that the sooner you will put your focus on the greater danger to us all.

[...] GA-08: Former state Rep. DuBose Porter, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic gubernatorial nod last [...]

Engineer

July 12th, 2011
10:08 am

I almost feel like I’m the only one that sees the blatant math problem with this article? (I saw at least one other poster mention this) Even if you throw in Brooks County and that sliver of District 2 west of I-75 in Lowndes County, there is still a population imbalance of around 80k-90k. Although if the rest of Worth County, along with, Lee, Mitchell, and a large part of Grady County were tossed it, it’d work out fairly closely. (not to mention it’d remove Bishop’s largest base of opposition and solidify Austin Scott’s base). This is only a viable option if the republicans are prepared to give up on us voters living elsewhere in District 2.

[...] • GA-08: Former state Rep. DuBose Porter, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic gubernatorial nod last year, says he won’t run against GOP frosh Austin Scott. He also said he thinks that the Macon area (currently in the 8th) could be swapped with Republican-heavy Thomasville (which is presently in Dem Rep. Sanford Bishop’s 2nd CD). [...]

Charles

July 12th, 2011
3:13 pm

I farm in Peach County, i am white so i guess that makes me in the 10% according to the Grand Metro Bloggers. I happen to be happy with my Congressman Sanford Bishop. I don’t always agree with him but i don’t always agree with alot. He has done us Farmers (who happen to feed you) a great job in my opinion. If he happens to leave Peach in this madness i wish him the best. Thank you for your service Sanford, I am one who appreciates it. Charlie

John

July 13th, 2011
9:01 pm

I would like to see the southern tip of Cobb removed form the 13th district. Smyrna doesn’t want Scott and Scott doesn’t care about Smyrna