Excerpts from judge’s ruling on Georgia’s immigration bill
As Attorney General Sam Olens points out, in the aftermath of U.S. District Judge Tom Thrash’s ruling, 21 of 23 sections of Georgia’s new illegal immigration law remain intact and go into effect on Friday.
Other victories for the state side of the argument include the judge’s dismissal of plaintiffs’ assertions that the law would violate a citizen’s right to travel.
Read the entire decision here.
However, it’s clear that Thrash is no fan of the core thought behind the bill. Here’s what he said about the key portion of the Georgia law — which he enjoined — that permits law enforcement officers to require proof of legal U.S. residency after individuals have been stopped for other purposes:
”HB 87 is state regulation of immigration. Section 8 attempts an end-run – not around federal criminal law – but around federal statutes defining the role of state and local officers in immigration enforcement….[B]oth the United States government and several foreign nations have expressed concern about the international relations impact of HB 87.
“In reference to HB 87, the President of the United States stated that “[i]t is a mistake for states to try to do this piecemeal. We can’t have 50 different immigration laws around the country.”…Mexico has also filed an amicus brief registering its concern that HB 87 will impede bilateral negotiations, hinder trade and tourism, and damage diplomatic relations between the United States and Mexico….
“These international relations underscore the conflict between HB 87 and federal immigration law. The conflict is not a purely speculative and indirect impact on immigration. It is direct and immediate…..”
Trash also applied the injunction to the portion of the law that criminalizes the transporting and harboring of illegal immigrants:
”Defendants wildly exaggerate the scope of the federal crime of harboring….when they claim that the Plaintiffs are violating federal immigration law by giving rides to their friends and neighbors who are illegal immigration. This is a good reason to require supervision of any attempts by Georgia to enforce illegal immigration law…..”
And there’s this general defense of federal immigration practices:
”The widespread belief that the federal government is doing nothing about illegal immigration is the belief in a myth. Although the Defendants characterize federal enforcement as “passive,” that assertion has no basis in fact. On an average day, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrest approximately 816 aliens for administrative immigration violations and remove approximately 912 aliens, including 456 criminal aliens, from the United States….In 2010, immigration offenses were prosecuted in federal court more than any other offense….”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Joel
June 27th, 2011
3:56 pm
Law making from the bench- what has happend to America?
dixiesdemons
June 27th, 2011
3:59 pm
The feds are the only ones that can stop state and local Jim Crow laws.
Sluggo
June 27th, 2011
4:08 pm
Agreed Joel, are these left-leaning activist judges that are legislating from the bench out of their “cotton-picking” minds.
Doc
June 27th, 2011
4:13 pm
He should have blocked more but it’s an EXCELLENT start! And the smack down on the B.S. the GOP goes on about the feds not doing anything is well put. What hogwash the republicans come up with.
I’m a white, 4th generation American and have nothing but pride in our immigrant communities adding to the richness of this nation.
If they are ‘illegal’ than some of the blame most definitely lies with the mess of immigration laws, post-9/11 hysteria, and American’s insatiable appetite for imported drugs created the situation everyone finds themselves in.
And a board to investigate claims that local govt’s are doing enough? Hilarious. Where’s the money for that? Guess all that money cut from the ethics commission and from not investigating why georgia is #1 for crooked banks and bank closings can fund that.
Still, remember to boycott all georgia establishments this friday, July 1st. Don’t spend one thin cent on anything in this state on this friday.
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
4:15 pm
Actually there are legitimate power issues in the parts that were blocked. Anyone that has the least bit of understanding of the seperation of powers between the state and federal government knows that this is treading on a power that has historically been a federal power. This actually isn’t all that activist. There’s a clear conflict of powers that needs to be judicially resolved however the US Supreme Court will likely have to do that.
This will probably be resolved when the AZ law hits the US Supreme Court. And to premptively deal with this: The earlier ruling by the SC was for the use of E-Verify only. The ruling as to whether the state can enforce immigration hasn’t even been heard yet.
Doc
June 27th, 2011
4:15 pm
And people already spouting off with the ‘liberal judges’ rhetoric. How skillful you are in debating.
There are 3 co-equal branches of the government. They judiciary isn’t there to rubber stamp everything any hick redneck state senator wants to pass.
Get over it, Nancy.
Centrist
June 27th, 2011
4:25 pm
Even though most of the ILLEGAL immigration law was upheld, the activist Democratic party appointed judge will likely be overturned at the Appellate level on those issues where he feels his politics are more important than the people of Georgia who elected their legislatures who make law.
The Supreme Court will probably only take the case if the Appellate court does not overturn the Democratic activist judge.
td
June 27th, 2011
4:27 pm
Doc
June 27th, 2011
4:15 pm
Why the angry tone? You must be one of the open border crowds. The court did just about what many had predicted they would do. E-verify is the law, forged documents are going to be harder to come by because to have or make them is going to result in a prison sentence. Without the paperwork and the state looking at business closely then hiring will illegal slave labor will reduce and therefore they will leave the state. The SC will decide if local law enforcement can get involved and help with the burden of enforcement or not. If I was a betting man I would not bet against the current SC for making this whole law constitutional.
td
June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm
Centrist
June 27th, 2011
4:25 pm
“The Supreme Court will probably only take the case if the Appellate court does not overturn the Democratic activist judge”
I disagree because the 9th circuit will have a different opinion then the 11th so the SC will have to take both cases to determine what the law of the land is going to be.
BPJ
June 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
Hey, I’ve tried cases in front of Judge Thrash, and no one who has done so would characterize him as particularly liberal or conservative; he’s a judge who rules on motions based on his best reading of the law and the Constitution.
Tommy Gunn
June 27th, 2011
4:45 pm
Why do judges feel they can make law from the bench? It is PASSSED time for a Constitutional Convention called by the States to solve the problems with judges, and the federal government itself. I really doubt if the Federal government would allow it, which in itself would tear the very fabric our country is built upon.
We will see one day at least two if not 4 seperate countries formed in our beloved USA if something is not done to stop federal interference in the rights of states to govern themselves as THEY see fit, and judges don’t stop making law from the bench based on THEIR personal beliefs. A sad day indeed!
Rich in ATL
June 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
Claiming that this is simply another instance of a liberal judge legislating from the bench is great rhetoric but doens’t hold much wather factually. Obviously you didn’t even attmpt to read the Order. It’s so full of guiding case law, it’s painful to try read.
If you really think the judge got it wrong, make a legla argument. Otherwise all you provide is another uninformed opinion…..and we have plenty of those, thanks.
Another Voice
June 27th, 2011
4:56 pm
The Repuks love the labels the will call ANY judge an activist judge if the do not agree with the decision. They want to cherry pick the constitution and any legal decision they do not like….
Alice
June 27th, 2011
4:59 pm
I’ve often wondered why we don’t just make it easier to come here and work legally, if they are as needed as everyone says. The cat says because people who are here legally expect to be paid a living wage and the farmers don’t like that. In fact, if they could, the farmers would bring back slavery.
So, while immigrants spend their time demanding that we ignore certain inconvenient laws, no one is asking to make it easier to immigrate legally. Things just get curioser and curioser.
EDIMGIAFAD
June 27th, 2011
5:01 pm
@Another Voice – And the Democrats don’t do the same? If you believe either side is as pure as the driven snow – you haven’t seen the light of day recently…………..
FedUp
June 27th, 2011
5:02 pm
Here are the facts:
July 2010 report showed:
425,000 ILLLEGAL immigrants in Georgia. 7th highest state in the US. Does it take that many ILLEGALS to work on farms and construction (that has totally dried up during the recession?)
$2.4 billion is spent PER YEAR of the Georgia State budget to support ILLEGALS. Georgia’s total 2010 state budget was $18 billion. So 13.3% of the entire budget is spent on ILLEGALS.
$317 million is spent on ILLEGALS for medical care. Remember it’s AGAINST THE LAW for government services to be provided to ILLEGALS! So when the ILLEGALS come here and have a baby, what does it cost the taxpayer on average? $10,000 for the delivery alone.
$1.2 billion is spent on education for ILLEGAL immigrants children in the school system. Over 1/4 of all ILLEGALS are children.
So as you are sitting there thinking it doesn’t cost anything from your pocket to support ILLEGALS, think again.
Skipper
June 27th, 2011
5:12 pm
Many of ya are missing the point…..people argue all the time, and many Suprme Court Decisons are 5-4, which means damn near half the judicial system saw a law one way and half the other; so there will always be various interpretations of any law, all the way to the top! So what do we do, let everybody in? How do you stop what the Feds refuse to do??????????
Alice
June 27th, 2011
5:14 pm
So FedUp, what you’re saying is the price of produce may go up but our taxes and medical insurance may go down? I don’t know… That’s sounds too logical. I don’t think that’s going to fly in this Wonderland.
Another Voice
June 27th, 2011
5:16 pm
@FedUp yeah your sources are probably some sort Anti-Immigrant hate group. Very reliable….
td
June 27th, 2011
5:17 pm
FedUp
June 27th, 2011
5:02 pm
“So as you are sitting there thinking it doesn’t cost anything from your pocket to support ILLEGALS, think again”
You seem to forget that most of these libs on here wanting illegals to stay do not ay taxes, so they do not care what it cost.
Another Voice
June 27th, 2011
5:22 pm
@FeUp you convenietly leave out the contribution to GA GDP and the multiplier effect that their dollars spent leave as an economic spillover. Those are real dollars, FeUp you lie Medicare is only for US Citizens Illegals do not qualify for it…. What about the payroll taxes they pay into the system, what about the sales taxes they pay and can not claim back. There is a flip side to your BS and guess what it does not come down in your favor….. Guess what the veggies that you will eat with your dinner tonight were probably picked by a migrant worker, the hotel room that you stayed at in your last vacation was kept clean by a migrant worker, the last diner you had at your favorite restaurant yeah…that one too. to every cost there is benefit and in this one the benefits far outweigh the costs….
Centrist
June 27th, 2011
5:23 pm
I don’t need to make the legal argument – the state of Georgia is going to do that for me on Appeal and possibly to the Supreme Court.
Most of the law was upheld and is extremely unlikely to be overturned on appeal. SOME illegals will migrate home or to other states (California?) where their taxpayers don’t seem to mind supporting them. Other ILLEGALS and companies hiring them will chance it in Georgia and pay the consequences now that we have a law with teeth.
mexican and proud!
June 27th, 2011
5:25 pm
Georgia and most of the building industry is dominated by latinos. The company I woek for is hiring and have hired about 20 “citizens” this week none of them lasted 2 days! what dodes that tell you? americans dont want to work hard they want everithing handed to them.
td
June 27th, 2011
5:30 pm
Another Voice
June 27th, 2011
5:16 pm
@FedUp yeah your sources are probably some sort Anti-Immigrant hate group. Very reliable….
Well show us your numbers that disprove his? I do not know if the numbers are totally correct or not but little common sense tells you they are close. Per school data, nearly 10% of the students are in ESOL classes and the K-12 budget is almost $9 billion then it is not hard to say $1.2 billion is being spent on illegals. If we spend $4 billion per year on Medicaid and 5 to 10% illegal then $317 million is not hard to reasonably deduct.
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:31 pm
Doc:
“There are 3 co-equal branches of the government. They judiciary isn’t there to rubber stamp everything any hick redneck state senator wants to pass. ”
If it truly is the function of the federal government, who is to hold THEM accountable for their INACTION? Your decription of a state sanator is “hick redneck”? I guess the majority of people in Georgia would be decribed by you as such as the citizens were the motivating factor in this legislation .
“Get over it, Nancy.”
NO. You “get over it”, and while you’re at it, get over yourself. Your views are shared by a minority of the citizens.
MyPatootie
June 27th, 2011
5:32 pm
I have come to the sad conclusion that the “internal implosion” and downfall of this once great nation of ours will come about as a direct result of 3 things: federal judges, illegal immigrants, and the gay and lesbian movement.
td
June 27th, 2011
5:33 pm
mexican and proud!
June 27th, 2011
5:25 pm
Georgia and most of the building industry is dominated by latinos. The company I woek for is hiring and have hired about 20 “citizens” this week none of them lasted 2 days! what dodes that tell you? americans dont want to work hard they want everithing handed to them.
I do not believe you. I know a great deal of out of work good ole country boys out in Paulding county that would gladly take the jobs in this limited market. I am sure there are a lot of other counties that can say the same.
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:33 pm
mexican and proud!:
If you’re that proud, while don’t you go back to old Mexico and be proud there?
Centrist
June 27th, 2011
5:34 pm
@ Another Voice -
Among the key findings of The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers: http://www.fairus.org/site/News2/708226221?page=NewsArticle&id=23190&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1761
* The $113 billion in outlays for services and benefits to illegal aliens and their families represents an average cost to native-headed households of $1,117 a year. Because the burdens of illegal immigration are not evenly distributed, the costs are much higher in states with large illegal alien populations.
* Education for the children of illegal aliens represents the single largest public expenditure at an annual cost of $52 billion. Nearly all of that cost is absorbed by state and local governments.
* The federal government recoups about one-third of its share of the costs of illegal immigration in the form of taxes collected. States, which bear a much greater share of the costs, recoup a mere 5 percent of their expenditures from taxes paid by illegal aliens.
Some think that illegal aliens cannot receive welfare benefits, but they can, as a result of a provision known as PRUCOL (Permanently Residing Under the Color of Law). PRUCOL means a status that has the appearance of, but not the status of, a legal right. That is not a status created by legislation, but a status created by the courts, which cannot Constitutionally make law. Many states (like Georgia) do not ask or follow-up on illegal immigrants who apply for for benefits.
This designation, created by federal agencies in conjunction with the courts, applies to four federal programs to determine whether an illegal alien is eligible for benefits:
1. Aid to Families with Dependant Children (AFDC);
2. Supplemental Security Income (SSI);
3. Medicaid, and
4. Unemployment Insurance benefits.
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:35 pm
MyPatootie:
Good observation, but you need to add “career corrupt politicians” to your list . . .
Rafe Hollister
June 27th, 2011
5:38 pm
No matter what your opinion is on HB87, there is not much LAW here. Seems the judge is just expressing his preferences. He is saying that he does agree with the sentiment out there that the Feds are not doing squat about illegal immigration so he is going to throw this thing out. Again, based on what law. Where does he refer to section and verse from the Constitution.
If we take this as the way that decisions are supposed to be determined, then the Supremes can just throw out Roe v. Wade by saying there are just too damn many abortions going on out there and no one seems to be in charge.
Rafe Hollister
June 27th, 2011
5:40 pm
should be does not agree with sentiment
max
June 27th, 2011
5:42 pm
I would love to see the faces of all you white people when you are in the minority group and Hispanics controlling every aspect of our society. Most of us wont see that day, but some will, and I will be laughing in my grave….
Frederick Douglass
June 27th, 2011
5:43 pm
LMS @ 5:35,
I won’t stand idly by, and let you debase our duly elected governor that way!
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:44 pm
max:
When you are “shovel-ready”, they will put enough dirt over you that your laughter won’t be heard.
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:46 pm
Frederick Douglass:
Choose the weapons and name the time and place.
Bluto
June 27th, 2011
5:47 pm
mexican and proud! your post tells me you do not understand what working hard means. You can work hard to improve yourself and get a better job than picking cucumbers or hanging drywall. Or you can just use your back and blame everyone else for your troubles.
candi
June 27th, 2011
5:49 pm
GA is a racist state, has a racist past, and this law is just another example. If we can’t discriminate against black people, let’s try to discriminate against brown people.
td
June 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Frederick Douglass
June 27th, 2011
5:43 pm
Some of us understand that ALL POLITICIANS ARE CORRUPT. You support the ones that are closer to your philosophy and they are the ones your support.
Bluto
June 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Max you have to read and write to be able to control society. Judging from your buddy Mexican and Proud, you guys have a long way to go. Don’t hate the player Max hate the game!!
summer
June 27th, 2011
5:53 pm
i think it is good that the judge made the injunction it was going against my rights as a u.s. citizen. I shouldn’t have to think that I will get put in jail and lose our kids all because my husband is an illegal immigrant. How is it harboring of illegal immigrant when he is the one that is paying all the bills and working to provide for the family? And for us to go outside of the house together as a family and have to worry is the police going to stop me for false pretenses just because they see that he is of brown color.It would be really heart breaking for my kids to see that he gets taken away in handcuffs and i have to be the one to explain to them what is going on because there are some crooked cops everywhere you go. And it is not as easy as everybody thinks it is to get legalized.It takes a lot of time and money. And it takes more than getting married to an american citizen
td
June 27th, 2011
5:54 pm
candi
June 27th, 2011
5:49 pm
GA is a racist state, has a racist past, and this law is just another example. If we can’t discriminate against black people, let’s try to discriminate against brown people.
Tell us then what being a non racist state would do to stop ILLEGAL immigration? Show me in this law where the state has said anything about legal immigrants?
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:54 pm
Bluto:
They can’t dominate. If it were possible for them to dominate, they would have stayed in Mexico and dominated there. It is merely the wind blowing through the trees . . .
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
5:55 pm
Centrist, if you even read the crap you cut and paste, you’d know that PRUCOL was tossed out in ‘96. Illegal aliens are ineligible for “any retirement, welfare, health, disability, public or assisted housing, postsecondary education, food assistance, unemployment benefit, or any other similar benefit for which payments or assistance are provided to an individual, household, or family eligibility unit by an agency of a State or local government or by appropriated funds of a State or local government.’
That’s title 8. Not some crap website “Junto Society.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1621.html
Michael
June 27th, 2011
5:58 pm
The activist US Supreme Court struck down a state law that legalized marijuana. Supremacy clause. Or maybe you complainers can get enough other bumpkins together and secede again over yer states rites.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
5:59 pm
max June 27th, 2011 5:42 pm
Consider that the US has a huge national deficit that will take decades to unravel. The welfare state has reached a pinnacle and the only way forward is a situation where billions fewer dollars are spent on welfare programs. That will cut down on the size of families on low incomes and Hispanic growth will fall off in the next couple of years. E-Verify has already been confirmed by the Supreme Court and a national E-Verify bill is working its way through Congress. Fewer illegal aliens will be getting jobs here in the US and citizen groups opposing illegal immigration (70% of US citizens oppose illegal immigration) will start targeting those employers who hire illegal aliens.
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:59 pm
td:
I’ve finally learned that if you have an opinion contrary to someone else’s opinion, you are a “racist” or belong to a group (state) of racists. The use of this term now tells me that the person using it is intellectually incapable of producing a valid or logical argument against that with which they disagree. I just ignore them.
summer
June 27th, 2011
6:00 pm
just to let everybody know that in the state of georgia that illegal immigrants are not allowed to get any kind of medicaid foodstamps or any other government issued benefit even though they are pregnant
Centrist
June 27th, 2011
6:01 pm
Channel 2 WSB-TV showed with an under cover camera how easy it is to apply for benefits without ID and no questions asked. It happens all the time. Government programs expand because it is job security. Reality is what we are dealing with here, and that is why laws have to be passed to dissuade ILLEGALS and there benefactors who improperly give them TAXPAYER money.
big hat
June 27th, 2011
6:01 pm
DWH (driving while Hispanic) is the new DWB, not that DWB has ever gone away in GA.
Freudian Slip
June 27th, 2011
6:02 pm
Trash also applied the injunction to the portion of the law that criminalizes the transporting and harboring of illegal immigrants:
”Defendants wildly exaggerate the scope of the federal crime of harboring….when they claim that the Plaintiffs are violating federal immigration law by giving rides to their friends and neighbors who are illegal immigration. This is a good reason to require supervision of any attempts by Georgia to enforce illegal immigration law…..”
This ruling is garbage.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:04 pm
It will soon be a FELONY to submit false documents to obtain a job in Georgia. Illegal aliens presenting false documents (all of them) will then be FELONS!
Michael
June 27th, 2011
6:08 pm
I’m sure law enforcement was just as happy with this result as they were with the sex offender registry law being enjoined. More vague, discretionary laws to enforce with no more officers or money. I believe the term “unfunded mandate” started with the decision in Brown vs Board of Education.
td
June 27th, 2011
6:08 pm
summer
June 27th, 2011
6:00 pm
just to let everybody know that in the state of georgia that illegal immigrants are not allowed to get any kind of medicaid foodstamps or any other government issued benefit even though they are pregnant
That is a big lie. Emergency Medicaid pay for 99% of illegal babies in this state. Federal law may not allow the illegal to get such benefits as FS but their anchor baby is entitled and the illegal is the legal guardian and as such gets the EBT card and can use it anyway they choose.
td
June 27th, 2011
6:10 pm
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:04 pm
It will soon be a FELONY to submit false documents to obtain a job in Georgia. Illegal aliens presenting false documents (all of them) will then be FELONS!
And as a felon the feds will be forced to deport.
Victoria
June 27th, 2011
6:13 pm
I guess the Tyson Chicken plant in Georgia laid the illegals off, and now Georgia is looking to get rid of them. They can not afford the welfare, food stamps, free hospital, etc.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
6:15 pm
“Federal law may not allow the illegal to get such benefits as FS but their anchor baby is entitled”
A citizen is entitled to benefits?!?! Oh my god….call out the National Guard!
jsmtih
June 27th, 2011
6:16 pm
when hispanics take over this country one day the united states will turn into another mexico or 3rd world country. thats what all the amercian hating mexicans dont realize. without the intelligent anglo european people running this country the america that everyone wants to come to and make a living will not exist !! it will turn into a giant mexican ghetto without white leadership. all you have to do is look at how mexico has developed over the past 200 years and look at how america has developed over the past 200 years. which country is more successful?? i agree that the USA needs cheap mexican labor , as long as Americans make the laws and run the country america will stay on top and be the envy of the rest of the world
td
June 27th, 2011
6:17 pm
Last Man Standing
June 27th, 2011
5:59 pm
I agree with you. I just do not like to let that kind for bull to go unchallenged. If you make a fool look like a fool enough then they will eventually either change their mind or just shut up.
td
June 27th, 2011
6:20 pm
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
6:15 pm
“Federal law may not allow the illegal to get such benefits as FS but their anchor baby is entitled”
A citizen is entitled to benefits?!?! Oh my god….call out the National Guard!
Take the quote out of context why don’t you. BTW: I personally do not think anchor babies should become automatic citizens.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:26 pm
It is already a crime to aid and abet illegal aliens. Transporting illegal aliens is already against the law, just like transporting bank robbers from the scene of a crime.
Junior
June 27th, 2011
6:28 pm
How can anyone say the Federal government is doing it’s job when there are 50 Mexicans standing out in front of a Home Depot? Where are the Feds? I don’t understand what trumps Federal Law when a local police officer investigates whether or not someone is in the country illegally. This would seem to be working in conjunction with Federal law.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm
E-Verify has already confirmed that states can require EMPLOYERS to check the immigration status of job applicants.
How is this different than local law officers questioning the immigration status of detainees?
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:31 pm
Especially since many counties already have officers trained to determine immigration status of detainees as a result of their participation in 287g!
DwayneL
June 27th, 2011
6:33 pm
He’s just one liberal judge….it will go to higher court and will be found legal. States should have every right to protect it’s own people and interests from criminal invaders!
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
6:34 pm
@How can anyone say the Federal government is doing it’s job when there are 50 Mexicans standing out in front of a Home Depot?
The constitutional interpretation has nothing to do with who is doing a good job of enforcement but WHO should be doing the enforcing. It’s a clear case of State vs. Federal power that will be decided in the US SC. And the federal government has a terrible track record of reliquishing power to state governments so I think those that have their hopes up for a ruling in the state’s favor are just setting themselves up for dissappointment and burst bubbles.
DwayneL
June 27th, 2011
6:34 pm
No more anchor babies!!! This country can’t afford them!!!!
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
6:34 pm
td, why was that quote out of context? Were you not upset that “anchor babies” qualify for benefits?
I’m not sure that I agree with automatic citizenship to everyone born on American soil either, but that’s the current law. What you or I “personally think” is of no consequence. All those children are citizens and will remain citizens. And without a constitutional amendment, that’s how it will be in the future.
It seems counterproductive to want these children uneducated and malnourished.
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
6:36 pm
@ Fed UP…..did it EVER occur to you that the children were born here and are LEGAL??? How about the fact that they offer cheap labor and services to Americans where we would otherwise be overcharged by some money hungry American for a service that is half ass done. Illegals do the dirty hard work that the lazy Americans don’t want to do! They come home each night to support their families and I am not sure who is recieving all this free healthcare, but my husband who is illegal can’t get ANY coverage. Nope. Just has a tax id # to pay taxes only to get ZERO refund. Some of these illegals have FAMILIES, many of them do. We are american wives with american children, we are FAMILIES. It is what it is. THEY ARE HERE. We can’t go breaking apart families because you want the millions to go back…….IT WONT HAPPEN
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:36 pm
We need to pass a new bill that requires local schools to ask for citizenship documents for those children attending local schools. The Supreme Court only stated that illegal aliens can not be denied a state provided education. It did not state that immigration status could not be questioned when childen are registered for school. We need to know our costs of educating the children of illegal aliens. If fraudulent documention is submitted or none supplied then local law enforcement should be called in to investigate.
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
6:39 pm
ANCHOR BABIES???? We are families! I am sitting here typing this as I watch my children run around the house, laughing and playing, saying “momma, lets go to the lake” they are children, we are families…..this is not an issue on paper!!!!! This is more than you will ever have to deal with in your own personal life….worries about your family being ripped apart!!
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
6:40 pm
And I don’t know about your schools, but my schools require proof of citizenship….thats how my children are in school. they are citizens!!!!!
td
June 27th, 2011
6:40 pm
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
6:34 pm
td, why was that quote out of context? Were you not upset that “anchor babies” qualify for benefits?
Upset no. Pointing out the fact that the benefits from anchor babies is the same as a direct benefit to an illegal because the illegal controls the service.
Here is another tidbit of information for you to chew on. If a person comes into a office and applies for benefits and they have a spouse then the spouses full income counts in determining eligibility if the husband is a citizen, but if the husband is an illegal then the income is only prorated.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:41 pm
Aquagirl. The Supreme Court has not taken on “automatic citizenship”. There is the little complication that the newly born are “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US. Babies born to Mexican citizens are automatically Mexican citizens (many illegal aliens are now getting Mexican passports for their “US citizen babies”).
This is not settled law and these citizens may not truly be US citizens.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
6:43 pm
It did not state that immigration status could not be questioned when childen are registered for school.
Actually it did. Specifically. But don’t let that interrupt your little tea party. Lack of knowledge never slows down a wingnut.
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
6:44 pm
@How is this different than local law officers questioning the immigration status of detainees?
Employers can only report. Their role in immigration is the same as it was before. If they caught someone before E-Verify, they would report them. If they catch them now it’s the same. The question was just whether they could mandate everyone use this program.
This law changes the role of local law enforcement in immigration which is a traditional federal power which is why it’s going to be constitutionally challenged.
td
June 27th, 2011
6:45 pm
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
6:39 pm
“worries about your family being ripped apart!!”
Why would your family ever be ripped apart. If you are here illegally then you just take your children with you if you are deported. When the children are of age then they still have their US citizenship and can decide if they want to come back.
td
June 27th, 2011
6:49 pm
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
6:44 pm
Georgia currently has a good number of counties as 287g status (I know Cobb and Gwinn). This means they are doing exactly what HB 87 wanted the rest of the state to do, help the feds do their jobs in enforcing Federal immigration policy. I can not believe the state did not make this same argument.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm
The 14th amendment, section 1. contains a clause that states the person must be “subject” to the jurisdiction of the US. Babies of Mexican citizens are automatically Mexican citizens and are under the jurisdiction of Mexico. Mexico must be notified if their citizens are facing criminal prosecution in the US so that the Mexican consulate can provide legal aid.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
jconservative
June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm
“Law making from the bench- what has happend to America?”
Ask Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Chief Justice Roberts about law making from the bench, they do it more than any court since the Warren court.
I believe it centers on the idea that the only way to stop judicial trends is to legislate from the bench.
In this case Congress has passed a series of laws governing how much authority states have in immigration law enforcement. They gave virtually no role to the several states. But the several states are taking it upon their own authority to decide to ignore federal law in defiance of federal law.
What part of illegal do you not understand?
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
6:53 pm
Because I am American and so are our children! They have medical needs here, they and I go to school here, we have family here, and who cares WE ARE AMERICAN, that is our right. The people in Mexico come here because of the horrible conditions they live in there and the fact that there is NO work….THERE IS A REASON THEY ARE HERE and like it or not, the have work here! AMERICANS are the ones giving them work…. and we are paying a lawyer $8,000 to fix this problem just to become legal….who gets the $$$ and who suffers????
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
6:55 pm
Young lady. Local law enforcement is going to report to the federal government which ultimately makes the decision to move forward with prosecution for deportation.
Local law enforcement is only performing the same function as employers are when they use E-Verify. Only the federal government has the power to actually deport and HB87 is not making that argument. They are simply detaining individuals that do not properly identify themselves. Try being arrested and refusing to identify yourself properly to police and the courts!
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
6:59 pm
Rick, considering you were just pontificating on Plyler vs. Doe without the tiniest grasp of the legal side, please forgive me if I’m skeptical of your legal assessment of the 14th Amendment.
Also, arguments made by you on this blog do not constitute a legal challenge to anyone’s citizenship. If anyone has filed a suit with your legal points, I’d like to know. Otherwise it’s just talk on Teh Interwebz which has no bearing on the real world.
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
@TD They can’t make that argument is why they don’t. Any power that comes from that program is charged to them by the federal entities.
On their own they would not have the authority to do that; they’d have to turn them over to INS. The federal statues governing immigration are still federal statues which HB 87 are circumventing. As much as people want to portray this as activist; it’s really not. It’s a fairly clear case of conflicting authority which needs to be brought to US SC.
It is essentially a pissing contest to see who is in charge. And you have to be blind to not see that the federal government is not going to let this stand. And it’s a legitimate charge of overreaching state powers. We’re a centralized government when it comes to immigration and they’re not going to reliquish that power to states. Personal feelings don’t apply since historically the feds don’t relinquish power well.
td
June 27th, 2011
7:01 pm
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
6:53 pm
Your previous posts made no sense to me. You are either here legally or not. If you are here legally then there is no problem, if not then you need to go back to your country of origin and get in the back of the line of the people trying to come here legally.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
7:02 pm
There are many immigrants that would become US citizens if it only involved a fee of $8,000 to an attorney. Legal immigrants pay much more to obtain US citizenship. If it were that simple, millions of immigrants would be on a plane tomorrow to obtain such citizenship documents. Please publish the name of the lawyers who can do this task for $8,000 so that all those immigrants from across the globe can take advantage of this legal expertise!
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
7:06 pm
One of the parts of HB87 that can go into effect is the section that makes the act of providing fraudulent documents to obtain a job here in Georgia a felony!
Illegal aliens should think twice about supplying fake identification to obtain a job after Friday.
td
June 27th, 2011
7:09 pm
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
You are essentially correct as with current judicial opinions. The one variable is that the current configuration of the SC has not said anything on this matter. It will be interesting on how they rule. Most people with any common sense knew the SC is where this law, the one in AZ and the future one in AL. The states are forcing this issue before the court to get some settled conservative law. You do realize our current administration is doing everything it can to not have this law or the health care act come before the SC before next years election. One may wonder why?
MrTaco01
June 27th, 2011
7:09 pm
That is the problem now days… not everything is as clear as black or white… everyones trying to find an easy solution to a complicated matter.. I am Mexican.. I am proud of my heritage…. I know what some think.. ” well go back to Mexico”… blah blah blah… well guess what?? I am a US citizen now and proud of that too… Proud of the opportunities this great country has provided… so can I stay now???
williev2000
June 27th, 2011
7:09 pm
The funny thing to me about the whole immigration debate is that Native Americans have been primarily relegated to Reservations. I hear it all the time; “but my family came here legally and did what they supposed to have done.” Well, my forefathers were forced to come here and work for free while being abused, whipped and trampled upon. I’m sure most of you would like to get rid of me too. Also, why is this a major issue with states that border Mexico (or close to Mexico) and not with states that border Canada? Just asking. . . . .
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
7:15 pm
“I’m sure most of you would like to get rid of me too.”
It’s not coincidental the 14th Amendment (required because “those people” were being uppity in the 1860’s and demanding their rights) is under attack.
Abogado Gringo
June 27th, 2011
7:17 pm
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Well…unless they are Irish, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Black, Arab, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, Hispanic, or anything that threatens me if I don’t work as hard as them and/or am down on my life and need to look down on someone…ahh…the Politics of Hate….got to love it!!
Young Lady
June 27th, 2011
7:17 pm
@The one variable is that the current configuration of the SC has not said anything on this matter. It will be interesting on how they rule.
Actually it’s very obvious how they’ll rule. I know you like to thow out conservative conspiracies but this is really a clear cut case of holding power. As conservative as Scalia, Thomas, et al can be they’re not exactly pro-states rights. Unless said states are secretly corporations.
And I don’t see any concerted effort to keep the ACA or this away from the SC. The AZ brief is already filed and there’s plenty of pushing for the other. Sorry your wondering seems rather misplaced. Maybe you need to find a better use of your time if you’re so bored?
tim
June 27th, 2011
7:30 pm
Was the judge smokin crack………again?
Last Lawyer Standing
June 27th, 2011
7:50 pm
Interpreting legislation is not lawmaking in the sense that the law was “made” by the legislature. Any decision by a court interpreting a law or determining whether the law meets constitutional muster or violates or does not violate the principles of federalism is not activism. If courts did otherwise they would fail in their duty as the third branch of government.
zeke
June 27th, 2011
8:46 pm
Just another idiot judge! The feds are doing no more than a token enforcement!! If they were indeed intent on enforcing the law they would arrest the protesters who flagrantly admit being illegal! If they were indeed intent on enforcing the law they would arrest and deport all 15 or 20 million! These criminals have no Constitutional rights! Get over it you leftist morons!
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
8:48 pm
My appologies, my husband is the illegal immigrant. I am the American. We are a family and this is where the families get torn apart thing takes place. We have started the process of legalization. It is a 3 step process starting with the I 1-30 and ending with going back to his country where he will apply for a hardship waiver. All the immigration forms will be an additional $1,500. Not everyone has the money, not everyone has a good case. If they have been deported, it makes it harder. Plus, you need a sponsor….many factors play into this. But yes, there are lawyers that can help. And you do go back for a period. Siskind & Susser are excellent immigration lawyers in Atlanta. Check them out
reusha
June 27th, 2011
9:01 pm
The Bill Is An Excellent Start!! To Many Citizens and Law Enforcement Have Been Killed By Illegal Aliens, In This Country! Many Trojan Horse, Mexico Drug Cartel Enforcers Are Camouflaged By Illegal Aliens!!
Mexico Legal Citizens-USA Illegal Aliens, Waving The Mexico Flag, Bo-o-oing The National Anthem, Conducting Ceremonies In Spanish At Soccer Game In California, Will Do The Same In Georgia When The Numbers Are Higher!!
DEPORT!
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
9:10 pm
Ha! Reusha must live in another world. I have never seen such garbage….This can happen with any other nationality and it happens with our own! You can’t deport half million mexicans in ga….WONT HAPPEN!!! If it did, we would be sorely affected by it in numberous ways. Wake up
td
June 27th, 2011
9:19 pm
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
9:10 pm
You do not deport anyone (beside convicted felons). You just make it impossible for illegals to get a job (fine and jail time for anyone that hires them and no government assistance) and they will deport themselves.
Nichole Hernandez
June 27th, 2011
9:54 pm
well, obviously you are out of the loop. There are many people I know that have been deported on less than,felony charges, none that I know getting government assistance and there will ALWAYS be a black market for jobs under the table. Employers with less than 10 employees do not even need to use the E verify system….PERIOD! Trust me…as hard working as mexicans are, and as hard as it is for them to get a job, they will always bring home the bacon! Now that is the difference between a mexican who has everything going against them and americans who have every opportunity!
In the loop
June 27th, 2011
9:57 pm
“However, it’s clear that Thrash is no fan of the core thought behind the bill.”
Clinton appointee.
Daphne
June 27th, 2011
10:45 pm
You misspelled the judge’s name. It is Thrash not trash.The error is in this sentence “Trash also applied the injunction to the portion of the law that criminalizes the transporting and harboring of illegal immigrants:”
SuperGeorge
June 27th, 2011
11:43 pm
GA lawmakers did say the HB 87 law was much better than the Arizona law…
So constitutional that no Federal judge will stop it.
Give the idea the law will solve the immigration problem overnight or will do better than Federal gov.
So smart that offers solutions to business like farmers.
“Predictably, farmers have coldly received Deal’s suggestion that non-violent ex-offenders be hired. “Let them in the governor’s mansion, to be cooks,” sixth-generation blackberry farmer Gary Paulk says, “and I’ll let them on my farm. I want my family to be as safe as the governor’s.”
(Source: Time Magazine)
GA law HB 87 was done for RepubliKKKans to show we are doing something and we can do better than Arizona, knocking down brown people, Sample; DLM (Driving Like Mexican), racial profile.
And lawmakers did create that “fix illusion” in front of newspaper and TV ,in winter.
Reality is just a law can not create jobs overnight. Like a law will not solve overnight Americans high levels of alcohol and drug consuming.
Many Jobs went to China thanks to right wind ideas to avoid taxes.
G. Electric with Billions in profit did not pay a cent in taxes.
GA State budget is going red and hospitals needs money and… undocumented immigrants have no responsibility for recession, Wall Street excess, Bush age taxes reduction, or Corporate America doing business and jobs in countries like China to avoid taxes and take advantage of labor cheaper than undocumented workers in the US.
Michael
June 28th, 2011
12:01 am
The days of the poor, huddled masses migrating anywhere in this country (and this state) are as long gone as the ghost of Tom Joad.
Translated for you slack jawed jawjanz, git ova yerselves cuz da sowf iz not risin’ agin. So git yaself a straw hat, sum balled peenuts n a quarter coke cuz u fixin to git turnd.
JessicaD
June 28th, 2011
4:04 am
If the problem is them being illegal , then lets try and find a way to help them become legal quicker and cheaper. Many of the hispanics I go to school with actually care more about their education then the whites and blacks . The hispanic community is very friendly , hard working , and respectful. Yes there are a few bad apples , but every race has its bad bunch. If people would treat everyone equal maybe the world would be much better. Im tired of people always isolating others what makes you so much better than others. In the end only one person can judge and thats God. So the next time you wanna judge somebody because they are different stop and think about how much of an ass you look like.
The Centrist
June 28th, 2011
6:12 am
US House supporters of NAFTA included 132 Republicans and 102, Democrats, and it passed the Senate 61-38 with 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Think about the revisionist history going on in today’s debate on immigration and the intent of NAFTA,
A dad
June 28th, 2011
6:30 am
Marbury v. Madison is alove and well. Thrash, your judicial activism is an embarassment.
Patton
June 28th, 2011
6:31 am
When one judge can go against the will of the people why bother, we should just ask the judge his or her opinion and go from there. The south has continued to pay for the civil war because federal judges were installed after the war to control us
A dad
June 28th, 2011
6:31 am
Also, as a judge who is supposed to uphold the law, just what part of the term “illegal” didn’t you grasp?
The Centrist
June 28th, 2011
6:33 am
Cause: The Obama’s push for healthy eating while Bubba wears a hanging gut and butt as a badge of honor. Effect: Bubba favors illegal immigration laws that causes rise in healthy food prices.
eatmotacos
June 28th, 2011
7:00 am
Everyone knows that judges’ rulings are influenced by their personal bias’. The question is, how did Judge Trash, whose politics should be obvious, based on his background, get the case? Have the chicken, lint and onion farmers purchased the judicial system too?
E. Ruffin
June 28th, 2011
7:16 am
This judge just proves the fact that the vast majority of federal judges are petty tyrants or political hacks.
Laurie
June 28th, 2011
7:29 am
As a person who usually votes democratic, I am disappointed with the judge’s ruling. I believe illegal immigration is just that, ILLEGAL, And people who come to this country without going through the proper channels break a number of other laws that the rest of us are compelled to follow (ie driving with a valid license, maintaining car insurance, using our own identity to obtain employment, credit, etc…). The federal government has failed to respond to this very serious situation in a manner Americans want, so states are pushed to take action. Yet, this issue is about as clear as mudd to those in Washington.
Jerome Horwitz
June 28th, 2011
7:41 am
Will of the People = Tyranny of the Majority. That’s why we have courts and judges. To protect the rights of those who may actually disagree with the mob mentality.
seabeau
June 28th, 2011
7:57 am
When the Constitution was radified by the States,each state gave up some measure of its own sovernity to the federal government. However if the federal government fails to perform its duties in an expediant and perfunctionary manner it falls back to each state to protect its citizens from preceived or real harm. The Federal government has stolen to much power from the states and we need to call for a Constitutional Convention to resolve these issues. The great James Madison forsaw this federal power grab,which is why he demanded that a Bill of Rights be included in the Constitution of the United States.
truth
June 28th, 2011
8:11 am
I have never understood why Americans blame illegals for not having/taking jobs.
First of all, Americans get all the opporunities to be successful in this country. How can you have 15+ years of education and compete against illegals?? Maybe you should have paid more attention in class, stopped partying, drugs, etc
I will never understand that argument.
truth
June 28th, 2011
8:15 am
Anyways the Federal government knows that they cant kick out 1 million + people out of the US.
THe government should have taken care of this in the 80s/90s. Now its harder because of the family roots that have been created.
I would create amnesty for all illegals immigrants with no criminal record but only after I block the North/South border.
Red
June 28th, 2011
8:39 am
”The widespread belief that the federal government is doing nothing about illegal immigration is the belief in a myth. Although the Defendants characterize federal enforcement as “passive,” that assertion has no basis in fact. On an average day, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrest approximately 816 aliens for administrative immigration violations and remove approximately 912 aliens, including 456 criminal aliens, from the United States”
Wow. Are these numbers supposed to prove or mock? With well over 10 million illegals here it would take three to four years at this rate to remove all illegals. This law by itself did the work at a MUCH faster pace. Amazing how a state law that has not even gone into effect yet has done more to remove illegals than about 10 years worth of federal efforts.
J Throckmorton Malcontent
June 28th, 2011
8:39 am
Come on people now,
smile on your brother
everybody get together
got to love one another
right now
The REAL FedUp
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
Hey “MEXICAN AND PROUD”…if you are so proud of being Mexican, why did you leave your beloved country? Why didn’t you and all your buddies stay there and try to make things better for your country?
Wjh
June 28th, 2011
8:49 am
Y’all don’t worry too much about this whole thing – There are so many built in llopholes in this set of laws it’s stupid. All the worker’s employer has to do is come up with one notoarized form and Viola, the illegal is working. This is nothing but a Republican Shell game.
Donna P.
June 28th, 2011
8:49 am
Doc, I will be doing all of my 4th of July shopping on Friday. Thanks. I guess you think it is ok for illegals to use fake SSI, green cards, or passports to get jobs and Welfare? If I did that, I would be put in jail and I’m an ancestor of the Pilgrims! I guess real Americans are the only ones being punished these days.
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2011
8:52 am
FedUp, maybe they didn’t want to get shot by American guns.
I really can’t wait until people like you realize nobody’s going to deport all the illegals. They’ll stay here just like your illegal ancestors, and their already-legal kids are either eligible to vote or will be soon. They’ll sweep people like you off into the trash heap of history, along with the “no Irish need apply” and “colored fountain” signs.
That’s going to be freakin’ funny.
Olderandwiser49
June 28th, 2011
8:59 am
Thrash, like most Federal judges today, ruled politically rather than judicially. Even mentioning foreign relations with Mexico and the other Latin American nations that signed onto the amicus brief shows that he puts more stock in the desires of foreign countries than he does in the protection and welfare of American citizens. I couldn’t give a rat’s behind what Mexico and the other drug-exporting countries think. They don’t want these people back because they can’t afford them and have no jobs for them to do. Also, it would cut off Mexico’s second largest income provider, as the illegals in the US send so much of their illegal earnings back to Mexico. Since Thrash seems to feel it is OK to make laws from the bench, our Legislature needs to REALLY crack down on what they are “allowed” to do – strongly enforce the E-Verify system violations (huge fines and/or jail time for offenders) and thoroughly audit the current welfare payment system in the State, cancelling any and all welfare payments being made to illegal aliens. Without jobs and “gimmee” programs, many of the illegals will move of their own accord. Also, start tracking down those using stolen or fraudulent IDs and those using bogus Social Security numbers, both of which are felonies. If these users have no other crimes outstanding, give them a choice – return to your country of origin (including family), or go to prison (like any US citizen would be forced to do for the same offense). If they choose the former, ICE doesn’t even have to get involved, since the illegal alien made the choice to go back, so it doesn’t violate any Federal law. What is happening to Georgia, Arizona, Utah, and Indiana will give us a small taste of Israel’s situation, surrounded and under constant attack by enemies. In the case of Georgia, our enemies are both foreign and domestic, with Latin America assaulting us from the south, and our own Federal government attacking fom the north.
kb
June 28th, 2011
9:01 am
The most important parts of HB87 are still there. If we don’t give them amnesty these illegall law breakers will start going back home when they lose their jobs.Reward them for breaking the law and we will have 11,000,000 more to deal with.Keep letting the government know the American citizens of this country will not stand for this!
Ryan Shakur
June 28th, 2011
9:02 am
Whenever I hear some of you toss up economic statistics (be it “illegality” or not), I wonder why you do it…is it because you TRULY care about the poor and indigent, or is it because YOU YOURSELF want to reap the benefits of government sponsored health care, food credits and housing.
Well, what is it?
Why do you like to define who is the “truly deserving”? Some of the same Americans you tout as being “left without” and “in need”, you criticize and slam every opportune time you get (such as these) because everyone else outside of YOUR standard of living are “lazy” or “irresponsible” or “un-American”. Looks like for this fight you got lucky and found the “illegals” to blame. It was great when they were cutting your grass, watching your children and cooking your food. Now that things done gone bad, you’re ready to make them the scapegoat. “Illegals” are not the sole reason things have crashed and burned, so get off the campaign trail already. What you need to do is quit following these nincompoops who obviously suck at running an effective government, both on a State level and on federally.
Maybe then your EBT card and Medicare or Medicaid will be available to you at your disposal.
where is the griping....
June 28th, 2011
9:04 am
funny how you don’t hear repubs griping about the supreme court legislating from the bench when it is the 5 republican appointees making all the decisions. they have gone and given corporations the same, if not more, rights than individual citizens.
i don’t remember seeing corporations mentioned in the constitution.
Voice of Reason
June 28th, 2011
9:15 am
Most American families are just 2 or 3 generations from immigrant status–especially those making such laws. SHAME on all of them.
Will
June 28th, 2011
9:21 am
Illegal immigration is not coming from latino’s only,even though they are here in greater numbers.Illegal immigrants are also coming from Europe,Asia,Africa and the Caribbean;so let’s not point fingers.
Rabbit
June 28th, 2011
9:22 am
The noise is deafening. This case DOES NOT make law. It simply applies the principles of the 206 year old opinion of Marbury v Madison and Arti VI Sec 2 of the US Constitution. Of course, some may be willing to dismiss these precedents. After all, the case was decided by a bunch of federal judges and the Constitution was drawn up by a bunch of guys who thought we should be taxed.
The immigration law, or portions of it, survives. Federal laws that impact international relations shouldn’t be compromised as an unintended consequence of local legislation. Yes, immigrants who fail to complete proper documentation should not enjoy the same benefits as those who are properly documented. But we’ve been whipped into a frenzy and anything the talk masters recognize as ingredient to keep the froth going is spoon fed to the screaming followers. Think for yourself. Read the opinion.
td
June 28th, 2011
9:23 am
Since we all want the illegals to stay then what is the answer? Do we just open our borders and let everyone in that wants to come? How do we pay for the services?
T4U
June 28th, 2011
9:50 am
I DO NO T BELIEVE ILLEGALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN IN THIS COUNTRY LEGALLY! We know 3 couples who have 1 spouse who are trying to become citizens. They took the time to learn the language, become educated, work, and pay into our tax system. Their ability to obtain citizenship has been long and expensive. Why should someone who hasn’t paid their dues go to the front of the line?
There used to be signs going into North Carolina telling Mexicans how to sign up for welfare, Medicaid, public housing, ect. Shameful.
As for the farmers whining because they don’t have the cheap labor. I call BS on that! They are no better than other freeloaders sucking off the government teet. Farmers deserve no subsidies to leave their fields empty either. If you don’t plant your field then you sure as hell don’t deserve to be paid for it.
leave
June 28th, 2011
10:10 am
Had some move into the house next to me and only took two years to completely ruin the looks of the property from new to disastrous.
Elliot Garcia
June 28th, 2011
12:23 pm
I am not comfortable with illegals driving on Atlanta’s streets without a drivers license….we already have enough bad drivers…
Nate
June 28th, 2011
2:20 pm
T4U:
“As for the farmers whining because they don’t have the cheap labor. I call BS on that!”
And of course, you won’t mind the higher prices at the supermarket…
Michael
June 28th, 2011
3:04 pm
Politicians keeping you hillbillies focused on illegals while they rob you blind.
madblackman
June 28th, 2011
4:22 pm
if 50000 blacks enter mexico illegally do you think they are gonna accept this with open arms.if i steal your id and use it is that ok?if i use a fraudalent SS # is that now ok.will the police not be allowed to check me out
Trey
June 28th, 2011
5:05 pm
Michael, learn the definition of hillbilly. There’s a difference between redneck and hillbilly, and your assumption that all Ga folk are hillbillies is ignorance. Especially since you don’t know the difference between the two.
Second, you are a moron if you think we should just allow illegals to come over as they please.
JessicaD
June 28th, 2011
7:20 pm
I find it funny that everyone is having such a huge problem with this. Go back to when this was the Native American’s land and europeans ( also immigrants that didn’t have proper paperwork ) pushed out the natives. They brought diseases , war , and treated the natives like pure crap. I think I would prefer hispanics with fake paperwork over war and disease. And if it wasn’t for illeagal immigrants comming over here from europe whites wouldn’t be here and neither would the blacks. And what about the ILLEAGAL ASIANS , MIDDLE EASTERNS , and AFRICANS ???? Nobody cares if the the indian guy thats your doctor has fake paper work ! America really needs to get its nose out of the air.
Trey
June 28th, 2011
9:53 pm
Jessica, you are an uninformed fool. When the Europeans came here there was NO laws in this “country”, as it wasn’t even America at the time. Just land that The Asians inhabited during the ice age. News flash, we weren’t the only ones colonizing at the time. The Spanish were colonizing, too. How do you think South Americans got here? They colonized and bred with the Indians, like we did. Why do you think many descendants of Europeans also have Cherokee, black foot, Creek, or any other type of Indian?
By the way, who said no one cares if that Indian guy has fake paperwork? No one. This law is to get anyone out of here of illegal status. Go back to school, Jessica.
JessicaD
June 29th, 2011
12:37 am
Trey , the point is it wasn’t our land ! So how can we sit up here and treat these people like crap ?Yes they aren’t legal but we can find another solution besides kicking them out. And for the Indian guy look through the comments and most of them are about hispanics no one wants to see that that they aren’t the only ones who come illegal except for maybe two. And as far as school I am a proud high school student in all honors and AP classes passing with A’s and B’s.
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June 29th, 2011
9:27 pm
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Brittanicus
July 1st, 2011
5:51 pm
The Dream Act in itself, might be a reasonable law allowing the students of illegal parents, to be permitted to stay in the United States? But the ramifications are more ominous, that once the students have legitimacy they can then start petitioning for family members and that by any other name is CHAIN MIGRATION. It further challenges more people to simply scorn what lax laws we have and just enter illegally. Immediate family members overtime can then bring in even more people, and this has set up a chain reaction. Just like another possibility of yet a second mass amnesty, it always attributes to costs. It has been verified that the 1986 accounting, when the final tally was made that it cost US taxpayers 76 Billion dollars. By the time of a further amnesty in today’s dollars and cents had been calculated, the Heritage foundation assessed such final bottom line of in the range of 2.6 Trillion dollars.
Now this dollar figure is based on the assumption, that there are only 11 to 12 million foreign nationals in the country, a number based on processing, background checks and an accumulation on other personal data along with medical examinations. But (FAIR) Federation of American Immigration Reform, ( NUMBERSUSA) and thousands of grass root sovereignty organizations have assessed the population figures to well over 20 billion. This is an overwhelming number to consider and a dollar figure to incredulous to even imagine. That would strip any gains against the $14.5 Trillion dollars we owe outside the shores of America. This nation must be entirely thankful to the great State of Arizona, who started this long and dangerous crusade against the tyranny inside the Obama administration that would welcome into America every indigent family from across the globe.
Stepping forward now the TEA PARTY is the only true way that will elevate this massive debt, placed upon taxpayers by thoughtless politicians. We cannot trust the Imperials in the Republican Party and we certainly cannot trust the undercover far Left, that has impregnated the Democrats. Either party has had their own agenda for omnipotent power of new voters through illegal immigration, or the overall influence from big business to relax laws, so millions can be used for a lesser form of slavery; except in both ideals the programmed taxpayer picks up the unknown estimated cost to support them. In three decades America’s working man/ women has lost a percentage of his wages, to support illegal immigrants. How academia thinks the economy would grow, must live in a delusional world, when nearly every State is burdened by instant citizenship baby laws, which under the current misinterpretation payments of cash to these families, has diluted every treasury.
Our schools are crammed to capacity, full of the children of illegal aliens, the health system slowly falling apart as more hospitals fail of wanton families to be treated; many of these institutions unable to survive. Then we have the US penal system choked with illegal alien criminals, that is yet another tax hike on the American population. The TEA PARTY is our only remedy as the Congress, have no sense of urgency to the impending financial crash. Perhaps Rep. Michele Bachman of Minnesota, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, Sarah Palin of Alaska; all regarded as strong supporters of the ever growing TEA PARTY. Only the TEA PARTY leaders seem to understand the financial predicament we have truly manufactured for ourselves, from the years of corruption within equal parties. The TEA PARTY has astounded both political parties in power, and will release us from the years of rot and poor or intentional mismanagement to gain favor with open border lobbyists. The TEA PARTY Has sworn to the major majority of the American people, no new amnesties of any kind, which includes the dismantling of Sanctuary cities and towns, no dream Acts or anything assigned to foreigners who broke our stagnant laws.
To accomplish this task we must insist our government implement mandatory E-Verify and Secure Communities, which will track down both illegal workers and criminal illegal aliens. There must be no compromises, but that Congress should enforce these laws, without interference from the open border zealots or the elitest groups discount labor.
You should also introduce yourself to the people who run this devastated country at the Senate—202-224–3121/ House—202-225–3121 and tell them it’s time to depart of fight for the American taxpayer.