Nathan Deal: Immigration law isn’t about ‘color of one’s skin’

In an interview with Lori Geary of Channel 2 Action News, Gov. Nathan Deal said Tuesday that:

a) Law enforcement personnel should begin training as if Georgia’s new illegal immigration law will go into effect July 1; b) the state will appeal if U.S. District Court Judge Tom Thrash issues an injunction; and c) he disagrees with former Gov. Sonny Perdue, who worries that Georgia is earning a reputation as a state where it’s not a good thing to be “of a different color”:

Said Deal:

”I don’t see that. I have – for the life of me – have a difficult time understanding people who say we should just turn our head and look the other way. And I don’t think it has anything to do necessarily with the color of one’s skin.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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unclefast

June 21st, 2011
8:43 pm

Of course not. It’s about their native language and their worth ethic.

Blondie Smith

June 21st, 2011
8:46 pm

I’ll give Governor Deal’s remark some credence when I get pulled over for being suspected of being an illegal immigrant from Sweden! Get real – they aren’t asking white folks to show their papers!!

unclefast

June 21st, 2011
8:48 pm

Excuse me. Their work ethic.

td

June 21st, 2011
8:53 pm

Blondie Smith

June 21st, 2011
8:46 pm
I’ll give Governor Deal’s remark some credence when I get pulled over for being suspected of being an illegal immigrant from Sweden

Evidently, you have not read HB 87. The police can not pull you over just to check to see if you are legal or not. They can pull you over for a ticket (speeding, running a stop sign ect) then if they think you may be illegal they can run a check. Now, if the police pull you over and you speck no English or you have a Tenn DL then they should run a check. Is this about race or is it about common sense? This is why the libs fought so hard to block the provisions to give police the common sense provisions to check. Go back and listen to the amendments offered by Jimmy Carter’s grandson on the floor of the senate.

Kevin H

June 21st, 2011
8:54 pm

BEGIN training?! with 10 days to go?! Thats a dozen ACLU lawsuits waiting to happen because of a lack of training. And my partner is from England, and is here legally, but when we go kayaking, does he have to have his passport in his pocket or risk Roscoe will throw him in the slammer rather than submitting the issue to the Fed’s while he grabs his passport from the truck?

td

June 21st, 2011
9:06 pm

Kevin H

June 21st, 2011
8:54 pm

That is a bogus argument. For what criminal offense will you commit while kayaking that would give the police the the ability to check the immigration status? Also, if your partner is here legally then he will pull up on the screen and there should be no problem. If he is here illegally then he should be deported. It does not matter what country he came from.

Big Hat

June 21st, 2011
9:13 pm

DWH (driving while Hispanic) is the new DWB. ….as well it should be….

Wondering

June 21st, 2011
9:54 pm

The real issue with this law is how it got past without a reasonable study of its impact. Illegals work for lower wages and under worse conditions than legal residents. GA farmers need to compete in the market place but their wages need to rise because legal residents won’t work for the slave wages they used to pay. That either squeezes or eliminates their profit margin. Some crops are no longer profitable. They are cheaper to grow in FL, SC, or TN. They may also be replaced by imports.

The parallel is when the auto union artifically raised their wages above prevailing rates. The work moved elsewhere because the companies could find cheaper unskilled or low skilled labor. Didn’t anyone anticipate these impacts? If they did, and voted the law in anyway, then what we are seeing is an expected consequence.

Astonished by Naivety

June 21st, 2011
10:00 pm

Defenders of this piece of legislation truly believe in the “purity” of it. “Police can only check the “status” of people in the performance of their duties.” I’m not sure how you can think that only those engaged criminal activity encounter law enforcement. And law enforcement can at any time ask a citizen to produce identification or be detained until verification of who the citizen is can be obtained.

It is impossible for the color of one’s skin not to be a factor. The legislation is designed to address the southern border control issues that we are having as a nation. There is absolutely NO way that law enforcement will not be compelled to pull over a vehicle fully occupied by Hispanic people and request identification from them.

The officer will have the option of reporting a host of reasons for pulling the vehicle over. But certainly if one or more of the occupants is deemed to be “illegal” they won’t have the option of complaining about being racially profiled. They are “criminals” and entitled to nothing remotely similar to rights. (And deportation procedures will proceed.)

This piece of legislation is worthless without racial profiling. But authors/defenders of it are too afraid to admit that fact. Man up and admit it, Nathan!

Ric

June 21st, 2011
10:09 pm

Who is paying for training police officers and how much is it going to cost? And for the 1000th time, why was there no fiscal note?!
Oh, that’s right… no one in Georgia has ever heard of looking before leaping.

Monica

June 21st, 2011
10:35 pm

“The police can not pull you over just to check to see if you are legal or not. They can pull you over for a ticket (speeding, running a stop sign ect) then if they think you may be illegal they can run a check.” – seriously, how stupid do you have to be to believe this? Because what, people today don’t get pulled over because of the color of their skin? What world are you living in? I’m a white female from Europe, and even I know that blacks driving nice cars get pulled over way more than whites. With this new law, OF COURSE you’re gonna have Hispanic people targeted, they can say that you swayed on the road, that you didn’t come to a full stop at a stop sign, there’s a number of things that people are told every day just so that police can pull them over. And with this “illegals are evil” mind set of Georgia these days, I wouldn’t want to be a Hispanic person driving or even walking the streets..

majii

June 21st, 2011
10:35 pm

I heard that Jim Crow laws weren’t about the color of my skin, too while I was forced to grow up under segregation in Macon, Governor Deal. Unless one has personal experience with certain things, one shouldn’t be so quick to say what will/won’t affect others. It smacks of elitism and has just a hint of being out of touch with others who are different from yourself.

The Truth

June 21st, 2011
10:36 pm

Doesn’t anyone see a problem in the grand scheme of things when only certain people have to follow the rules…

Tom E. Gunn

June 21st, 2011
10:47 pm

Again, why worry about the ‘rights” of illegals? They KNEW they were breaking the law when they came here, they break the laws we have here, ( drivers license, insurance, etc.) and they expect the law to protect them? All these bleeding hearts need to look south of the border to see what disrespect for the law leads to.
Why is this judge worried about how the law will be enforced? Is it constitutionally sound or not?
Listen folks, THE OCCUPATION MUST END!

Matt

June 21st, 2011
10:54 pm

Thank you td for educating the ignorant people that have not reviewed the bill. It’s unfortunate that people just have a knee jerk reaction and they have not read the law. There is nothing in that law that is worth protesting. It’s unfair to all of the legal immigrants that enter to this country through the proper channels. My parents emigrated to the United States back in the late 70s, and yes I guess I was somewhat of an ‘anchor baby.’ Except my father and mother had their green card when I was born. It was not an easy process and it took a lot of time, and they went through a lot of red tape. It’s very insulting to those people, when you see a certain group getting preferential treatment. And then when you try to speak out against the abuses of our immigration laws, a bunch of people that don’t even understand our immigration process pull the race card. It’s just a bunch of nonsense. Do not back down to these clueless fools that are crying racism, because it has very little to do about that. What’s right is right, respect our laws and go through the proper channels just like all of the other legal immigrants have done. This is the greatest county in the world and that’s why people are fighting to get in here. We must enforce the law and have checks and balances. Use some common sense people.

To Tom E. Gunn

June 21st, 2011
10:59 pm

This is a law by bigots that are afraid to fix the real issues. Just about every industry has profited from the presence of “illegal immigrants”. Now, the economy in the state will suffer. Deal is so ignorant and inept he can’t or doesn’t know how to bring good jobs to Georgia, so he is telling georgians who don’t have a job to go work in the fields or clean chicken. Georgia Republicans don’t have ideas (raise… taxes the same as dems, approved patriot act), they fill in voters heads with anti immigrant screams. Georgia is going broke, we need immigrants to come back, work, buy things, rent and buy houses as they were doing, put their children in school so teachers can have jobs, pay the inescapable property and sales taxes (in addition to the social security tax which they don’t get back as benefits), so we can all go back to prosperity and so politicians don’t resort to raise our taxes to make up for the lost income from immigrants. Occupation …. take a look at the real world

Douglas

June 21st, 2011
11:02 pm

@Monica – Why did they give YOU a green card? Don’t you know that we have enough ‘white females from Europe’ living in the USA.

dixiedemons

June 21st, 2011
11:02 pm

Looks like the Republicans are dusting off the Jim Crow handbook Lester Maddox and JB Stoner use to work from

so long to agriculture, our #1 industry

June 21st, 2011
11:07 pm

we need JOBS. JOBS are created by profitable companies Why is the GOP killing our agricultural companies and farms with this crackdown? There are not enough bonafide american citizens willing to fill these positions. plain and simple. we need a middle of the road amnesty program. no voting rights. no welfare. just work permits for this important labor source.

WAW

June 21st, 2011
11:07 pm

Tail light detail coming July 1… If you are not lily white, get ready its coming. You “paid” or “Republican volunteer” bloggers are full of fertilizer.

Rando

June 21st, 2011
11:12 pm

We wouldn’t even be having this problem if our inept federal government did it’s job. Once again, the grand old USA is too busy focusing on policing the rest of the world while the country crumbles from within. And where are all the war protestors now? President Obama just dragged us into a third war with Libya. Oh wait, you won’t see any resistance. What a joke. I protested Iraq and Afghanistan, and I’m protesting Libya too, but it’s gotten very lonely since Obama took office. I guess we have to go easy on him because he is not George Bush. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Dante

June 21st, 2011
11:15 pm

@WAW – Why should an illegal immigrant from South American not be deported? We deport illegals from Africa, Europe, Asia on a daily basis. Give me one good reason why you think that those from south of our border should be exempt from immigration laws.

Truth

June 21st, 2011
11:16 pm

Nothing in the “new” law is anything this country isn’t supposed to do ALREADY, but they are handcuffed by BS so this law has to be created…

Ric

June 21st, 2011
11:23 pm

As a black man, I’m really excited about this law. Finally takes the heat off me. Plus, it seems like the few times I’ve come in contact with a police officer over the past decade, due to some minor traffic violation of course, most of them have been black. So I like the diversity of GA’s police force.

Demand

June 21st, 2011
11:23 pm

The only way to create jobs is to increase demand for goods and services. This law will reduce the states population. Demand will drop and jobs will be lost. Georgia jobs will move to other states. Simple economics.

Supply

June 21st, 2011
11:29 pm

And those of us who still have jobs will pay higher taxes to fund our brilliant politicians.

Wake Up

June 21st, 2011
11:42 pm

@TD When an officer sees people he/she deems may be “illegal” it’s very easy to find a violation. Do you realize that people are stopped and cited for obstructed license plates because the factory mounted hitch “obstructs” the tag? Or that the handicapped parking permit designed to be hung from the rear view mirror – obstructs the windshield? (The list goes on.) That aside. If the driver is stopped, the officer is free to ask all the passengers questions and for ID, even though they have NOT committed any violation. THAT is unreasonable!

Yes I’ve read the bill and the multitude of drafts. AND I know born in the USA citizens (of multiple generations) who look “Hispanic” and are routinely accused of being “illegal” by bigots who consider themselves upstanding Georgians and outstanding citizens. They feel “patriotic” and justify their stance as “protecting our country.” Sorry – I view that as near treasonous as it undermines everything our country stands for.

Supply

June 21st, 2011
11:50 pm

@Wake Up … good post. And just to add on, this country was built on all sorts of immigrants, and the only Americans are tucked away nicely in reservations

Ramguy

June 21st, 2011
11:55 pm

Evidently, you have not read HB 87. The police can not pull you over just to check to see if you are legal or not. They can pull you over for a ticket (speeding, running a stop sign ect) then if they think you may be illegal they can run a check.

It may work like that in fantasy land but not in the real world. If they want to pull you over they will pull you over…that’s the way it is like it or not. You can’t be that naive. I know a girl that has already been pulled over by cop that evidently didn’t know this law wasn’t in effect yet. Luckily she had her birth certificate in the car with her. What was she pulled over for? Right after one of these recent storms she still had her back window wiper on. I guess that’s against the law. She said the cop was visibly disappointed that she was a citizen and was a total smartazz with her. Well she did say at least he didn’t ask her for her phone number and hit on her like the last two times she went through a road check. Yeah they will just pull you over if you are breaking some law…….maybe in fantasy land.

Contractor

June 22nd, 2011
12:10 am

Boy, the Libbies are out tonight. The fact stands that Republicans were voted into these seats of Congress to clean up this state. It is no surprise that they are holding up to their campaign promises, and doing exactly what the public wants. I guess none of you Libs have a problem with Arabs being double checked before entering a plane? Why are they being double checked? Oh that’s right, because they highjack planes, suicide bomb, blow up innocent people, rant, rave, and riot in their native countries damning America. Illegal aliens are all about staying under the radar, mooching off this country and it’s economy, and have no remorse for sucking it dry. I believe Georgia has plenty of criminals, people on unemployment, and others on welfare to fill these spots in the field. Everyone these days has a sense of entitlement as if they are too good to actually earn a living by working hard or being out in the heat and no air condition. You folks whining and crying carry driver’s license, so how is that any different than showing legal papers? It’s a form of ID, and cops always ask for them if you get pulled over, or stopped anywhere. The problem has gotten so big that it needs attention, and it is getting just that. There is no more money out there to support illegals, much less the citizens that are actually paying their taxes in this state. So get off the same old argument you Libs like to play, and find a real argument, not some cry baby kindergarten crap. Show us some facts, and numbers.

Texas Tea

June 22nd, 2011
12:14 am

Ramguy,

Wow, that story sounds like it has a lot of holes in it. I’m sure it went down exactly like that. You heard from a person, who’s cousin’s sister got pulled over is about what that sounds like. Plenty of room for error.

Eagle Knight

June 22nd, 2011
12:19 am

As we all know the new law HB-87 is just political. And remember politics are a science. But in this case is only an insidious plan to drive people away.

Bob

June 22nd, 2011
12:21 am

Contractor, the Sean Hannity Show is still on the radio. I don’t need it in text format. There were so many things wrong with that statement, I don’t know where to begin.

> Skin tone is still an elephant in the room when dealing with illegal immigration. I would be okay with this bill if people wrongly accused of being illegal would get a $1000 check from the state for their inconvenience.
> Not all Muslims are Arabs. Profiling just Arabs (or Muslims) on the basis of ethnicity, race, or religion violates the Constitution, and it cannot be done. Deal with it.
>’Libs’ are not America’s problem. Political divisiveness for the sake of it is.

deegee

June 22nd, 2011
12:23 am

Why couldn’t Nathan Steal have been honest about something? Just admit it, the idea is to run them out of Georgia before they have to arrest them.

Hector

June 22nd, 2011
12:41 am

No excuses this is about race and color… Cuz I tell you what! Police in the Atkinson County they pull people over just because they see they’re not whites or blacks Period!. They know most of the people doesn’t have Driver license so they know they can get money from there and the ticket for no Driver License in these counties Coffee County and Atkinson County are from $1200 dlls.. Yeah.. and some of them charge even more $1500 when other state charges $300 and these rates are exclusively for people not being WHITE OR BLACK… Now tell me it’s not about race and color.

Gulf War Veteran

June 22nd, 2011
12:42 am

What a lot of people have a problem with understanding in this entire debate, as with all debate centered around “race,” is the phrase ‘racial profiling.’ This, as like so many aspects of law enforcement, has absolutely NOTHING to do with ‘racial profiling’ but EVERYTHING to do with “offender profiling.”

If a particular crime is committed by a particular type of person who just happens to be of a particular racial or ethnic persuasion, than that is the fact of the matter – this is basic criminology 101; and no matter how much you want to cry ‘racial profiling,’ it simply is not the case. Best you bleeding heart whining liberals accept this fact and just accept the reality that illegal immigrants are a hindrance to the progress, safety, and health of America. Especially when you leave the borders porous so others with nefarious intentions bleed through and blend into America creating sleeper cells (i.e. terrorists bent on another attack upon innocent Americans), gangs, and/or other criminal organizations with the intent of further undermining America’s values, laws, culture, history and heritage.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
1:06 am

I live in Hall County the city of Lula Ga. back in 2001 I was driving from work in the afternoon down interstate 985 near Lula, Ga. and nathan deal came by me in his cadillac,slowed down and gave me the meanest look I have ever seen. Was it because i was black? His car tag said deal-1…I know it was him, because he turned left on county line road headed to his house in North Hall. Was I being racial profile by your Governor.

Supply

June 22nd, 2011
1:21 am

@Gulf War Veteran and Contractor. Obviously you need a bit more education on economics and the history of Georgia. Did all those unemployed, those on welfare, and the criminals built Georgia after the boom of the Olympics? Roads, houses, buildings, adding of stores, retail, specialty foods, etc.? No one is getting a free ride except those on welfare. Most of the money earned is spent back into the economy, and you are able to receive many economic benefits. But don’t take my word for it, just give it a few months. Georgia’s coffers will dry up faster and your elected politicians will be raising our taxes to make up for the immigrants.

Arthur

June 22nd, 2011
1:41 am

After 17 years of impeccable organization of the Olympic Games, we are closing the doors to many international events in Atlanta, goodbye to many events organized in our city, and not even think of organizing the Olympics again. Shame on You Mr.Deal. What a deal you made, you trade the future of our city on behalf of your party, following the principles of what ?, We are not Arizona, We are not even in the border for Christ sake. We pay the price for electing someone too extremist

Judicial Review prevents a true democracy

June 22nd, 2011
2:24 am

Stop the hate. ICE is turning Georgia into a Nazi state. The majority of people are already confused enough. ICE wants to see your face turn white with fear. They have been accustomed to this scary behavior. That is bottom line reality. There are no ands or buts. Want a solution? Enjoy your lives and let them go to hell.

ICE took my poppa

June 22nd, 2011
2:38 am

Ice took my poppa who had been living here for thirty years. Both his kids were born here. Wife is a citizen. He was a taxpayer for thirty years and never came here illegally. My dad is a scholar and engineer. Simply put, he is one of the most high class people in the world. His record is as clean as it gets, for he has never even had a speeding ticket in thirty years. He has had a fairy tale life his whole life and this is how was treated…arrested and jailed at Atlanta Detention Center for over a month before he was driven to the airport by some tar-toothed, disgusting human-being who mislead my father. They deported a genius who was in the process of becoming a citizen.

If he was such a genius

June 22nd, 2011
3:13 am

If he was such a “genius,” then why didn’t he use a little of that intellect and become a naturalized American citizen rather than waiting to the last minute to do it (when it is always too late)!! Not to smart IMO!

Concerned Youth

June 22nd, 2011
3:44 am

People, this is what happens when we stop taking personal responsibility. The Federal government shows up with “stimulus” and enslavement, becoming our wet nurse. Swarming around us in black vans like the “Federales” of the south. Sadly, America was founded by English people escaping English rule. People born with only the thought of “freedom” in there mind. Mexico was not founded by Spanish people escaping Spanish rule, my point being that Mexico will never overcome its status until they face the facts, starting with there need for us, remember, we to are of mixed race and “stole” land from native people. What mexican have you met lately that was pure Aztec? We must stop avoiding the truth, its not American. We as a nation were born by those who’s first foot falls were intended to create a “free” culture, based on the renaissance of the european cultures past, including Spain. And for what? Well, in purely human form, to escape the oppression, of a smaller portion of other who’s natural tendency is to control everyone else, but on the ultimate scale, to avoid the Global Oligarchy not yet touching the America’s, Look it up! And yet, we have all noticed the word play; undocumented immigrants? It “sounds” better, it’s “twisting” our language into a lessor more, none direct, fashion. Making it easier to avoid responsibility. No matter what the “personal” story, the word illegal means NOT LEGAL, and “undocumented” implies NOT LEGAL by order. Words like “undocumented” begin to poison our minds and our intended to BLUR the lines. The media misleads us. A photo ID is “too much to ask” of blacks and mexicans? They paint it as though they were incapable of obtaining even a “free” one? They warn: Cops Will Profile with a law that allows them to question citizenship. Don’t cops always ask for ID anyway? And you don’t think they profile now? So you mean that cops are perfect? They must not be human. Jesus save us from our moronic selves, His teachings reveal allot about what we’ve given up with regards to accountability to each other. So in order to prosper we must start holding each other accountable from the “Walmart” to the “Worldmart” level, I mean from the grocery line to the White House. We must hold our politicians accountable for there actions, our reporters for twisting our words and our companies hostage at the store for there disloyalties to our labor. We as a country must embrace offense from each other, but equally try not to be offended. We must acknowledge our blessings, but not primp our pride. We must start with common sense solutions. No free college for foreigners unless each American is first afforded the same opportunity. Ask me who I am, hold me responsible; if I did something wrong. Allow our local police to ask common sense questions of suspects like, “are you a citizen, prove it,” after all, they know our communities best, right? Finally, we must turn back to our faith. Otherwise, we can just let every Mexican be a citizen, if they promise to speak english at Walmart.

Real Athens

June 22nd, 2011
3:51 am

TD never has to worry. Can’t figure out all the uproar (sic). He rarely leaves his momma’s basement.

Dastardly Dan

June 22nd, 2011
4:09 am

td
“Also, if your partner is here legally then he will pull up on the screen and there should be no problem.”

Obviously for someone who tries to make themselves seem like a subject matter expert, you don’t know jack. There’s no screen that police can pull up to see if someone is here legally or not. That’s why they contact ICE. Maybe you should leave the educating to those who are really knowledgable on the subject.

Gulf War Veteran
“Especially when you leave the borders porous so others with nefarious intentions bleed through and blend into America creating sleeper cells (i.e. terrorists bent on another attack upon innocent Americans), gangs, and/or other criminal organizations with the intent of further undermining America’s values, laws, culture, history and heritage.”

Thanks for your service. I appreciate your vigilance, but I’m guessing you’ve missed the fact that most of all recent arrests on terrorism have involved naturalized citizens or legal residents. Neither one of those groups have to sneak across the border, as they are usually welcomed in legally wherever they cross the border.

There are issues with a “porous” Southern Border, but how many citizens are serious enough about wanting to see secure borders that they’re willing to see their tax bills go up? The only way to secure the border is to add much more people than we already have working there. There are approximately 20,000 Border Patrol Agents protecting about 8000 miles of land borders between the US, Mexico, and Canada. Before you dismiss Canada, remember that the only terrorist ever caught trying to enter the United States by land was arrested north of Seattle. That was the guy that wanted to blow up LAX.

Iran Malagon

June 22nd, 2011
4:57 am

hey , i am 15years old fixin to be 16 in july , born in Los Angles , California,i think this is crusuila dn rascist in my point of veiw an he said if there illegal they should be here or in this state, true but wrong, cuz i think we were all illegal at one point so maybe you should get out….. second thats very unhuman for a goverment to seperate familys in ga…. just bcuz the kid is born in ga and there parents aint does give the right to take the children away…, third the economy as not well as he thinks it is and he wants to help out the economy but by doin this , he is goin to get no where by helpin out the economy instead he is goin to make it worst,and finally so if you looked tan , you will get pulled over , really, so for all the americans out there please dont get a tan cuz you will get pulled over for lookin like an illegal immgrant… ??

Doc

June 22nd, 2011
5:06 am

“I don’t see that. I have – for the life of me – have a difficult time understanding people who say we should just turn our head and look the other way.”

Hmmm…like your shady shutdown of the ethics committee or your dodgy finances and getting others to cover your debts. You want everyone else to look the other way there.

You are a disgrace. You can put lipstick on this pig of unconstitutional legislation but it will be knocked down. What an idiot.

Toby Cash

June 22nd, 2011
6:02 am

What part of ILLEGAL is not understood here?

Liberal in Cobb

June 22nd, 2011
6:03 am

This law cannot function without racial profiling. Rogue cops, who have a hardon for Latinos will be pulling over brown people on trumped up traffic charges. There will be no requests for papers made from a tall, thin, blonde, nor would I be asked for documentation. We as Americans are better than these “Jack Booted Laws”. If everyone, that is everyone, was going to be asked for papers that would be only a slight improvement, but that is not the case.

HB 87 is am ugly reminder of Jim Crow.

Liberal in Cobb

June 22nd, 2011
6:05 am

Toby Cash: What part of racial profiling do you not understand?