The archbishop and Georgia’s illegal immigration debate

Jim’s rosey article about the ever benevolent Catholic Church, and their selfless quest to help the poor and downtrodden in the world, could use some balance – it isn’t difficult to find on the net. Once again, it’s all about the money.

“In the 1940’s, the Catholic Church helped Nazis escape prosecution to begin new lives in South America. At least from the 1960’s to the present, the church chose to protect child-molesting priests over innocent children. Now, to save itself that same Catholic Church is encouraging an illegal invasion of this country…Is it any wonder that this church has become irrelevant to most Americans.
The Catholic Church has been forced to pay-out millions to the victims of pedophilic priests. Fed up with the hypocrisy and disregard for the lives of innocent children, many Americans have fled the Church. The illegal aliens represent exactly what the Catholic Church needs right now…largely uneducated and devoted worshippers with jobs.”
“newsbyus.com/index.php/article/829″

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This is the same man who if a legal person needed help; they would have a problem getting it because he is like many religious people in that they are hypocrites. They have no problem helping illegals while at the same time denying help or limiting help to our own citizens especially those who are disabled.

Sorry but the responsibility of the citizens of this country is to the legal residents and as well citizens not the illegal ones. We have enough of our own who badly need help and are struggling and have been for years but when it comes to them getting any help; there is none or very little around.

People who come here illegally and are subsequently deported and split their own families; brought it on themselves. Are you helping the US citizens and legal residents who split up their own families when they go to prison? probably not.

He is as bad in GA as the LDS is in UT with the UT Compact.

By the way; these illegals doing work that “no American” would want; are taking jobs away from our teenagers or poorest people who need these jobs and they are also depressing our wages. You dont mention that though in your speech. If you dont have any of those in your community; we can find plenty all over the country to ship them to you so you can have people to help and so that these people can get back on their feet again.

Borders are there for a reason. People do not get to live where they want to live; when ever they want to live. If we need to take in more people; there are millions of people in refugee camps all over the world. We do not need to be helping Mexico, Latin America or anyone else who overstays their visas for whatever reason.

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The illegal aliens function as a catalyst to siphon money from the American taxpayers, and almost all of the factions who champion them, do so under the guise of humanitarians. The chicken pluckers, rug merchants and onion farmers, et al., exploit them for cheap, taxpayer subsidized labor, while other parties, e.g., the Catholic church, who view them as easy marks, abscond with their fruadulently obtained government handouts, and meager earnings.

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let them “migrate” to italy and see if the italians and the head church appreciate it.

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What rights do illegals have? None round them up and send them home!

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GA has a racist past with slavery and segregation. And, of course, this attack on immigrants is racist as well. We seem to need to discriminate against some minority.

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Americans especially white American been siphoning FREE labor from the blacks, the chinese and latinos. Slavery, Transcontinental railways and pretty much anything else. There should be a report done on how many white Americans and companies built their wealth of the blood, sweat and tears of minority starting with Slavery.

White America can be so hypocrital with their religious, family values and their christian beliefs. It ONLY applies where they see them fit and only to their kind. Also white America is quick to say that there is no racisim, of course they don’t see it because they are not at risk. It’s similar how people with no children always can tell parents how to properly raise a child.

This HB87 propaganda really shows the world how we as America are actually liars because we dictate how other countries should treat their people but yet can’t treat people in their own country as humans. It is American citizens that dragged America down and are continuing to do so by ignorance, racism and hate mongering. It’s pathetic to me to point your fingers at 3 – 4% of US population and blaming them for the big problems of the 97%. Just ignorant and it keeps getting worse, we can’t afford to cut any more education otherwise we will deal with a lot more of this ignorance

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Yeah, 11.2 billion in taxes nationwide , but tax payers pay 125 billion to host their illegal butts.
If you want to see the 14.5 trillion dollar US deficit reduced, we must enforce our immigration laws. In 1986 Immigration Control and Reform Act was a zero-tolerance policy that was subverted by business interests. We cannot afford any more half measures, from the ongoing resistance of politicians like Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) in the growing reaching empowerment of the TEA PARTY. Illegal Immigration is an incendiary issue, caused over decades of Washington lack of sympathy to US worker, with estimates of 20 million foreign nationals feeding of the welfare system they have—NOT–attributed too? The worst issue is the instant baby citizenship law, which has become a perpetual foothold for hundreds of thousands of illegal families annually and probably the most fiscally of expenditure for taxpayers. Our overcrowded through k-12 schools are suffering, with hospital emergency rooms not far behind.
What is so hard for people to understand america needs to enforce its immigration laws just like any other country does, so tired of the weak elected officials and greedy business community trying to make it any thing but what it is, their criminals ,deport them.

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Facts:

“It’s pathetic to me to point your fingers at 3 – 4% of US population and blaming them for the big problems of the 97%. Just ignorant and it keeps getting worse, we can’t afford to cut any more education otherwise we will deal with a lot more of this ignorance.”

I knew this or a similar post would be coming. Blame the white race: it is all their fault.

I assume that you are saying that 3-4% of the population is illegal aliens? What is your source for that figure?

When you supply your source for that figure of illegal aliens, please answer one question for me. Name for me ANY country that has long survived without controlling its’ borders. That shouldn’t be too hard for you to answer.

You are ASSUMING by your statement that “whites” disapprove of immigration. As has been stated time and again by people posting here, it is the ILLEGAL immigration that people are opposed to, and not legal immigration. Illegal immigrants siphoned off billions upon billions of dollars annually in education costs, Section 8 housing, food stamps, Social Security, medical treatment, property damage from uninsured auto accidents, jail and prison housing and thefts – all at the expense of the American taxpayer. This does not take into account the damage done to human life in terms of homicides, assaults, sexual assaults and motor vehicle accident resulting in injuries and fatalities.

It was obvious at the outset of your post that you wanted to make a comment on racism, and make it retroactive to the 18th century. The rest was just so much “window dressing”.

I await your answer with regard to the borders.

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As a white Georgian who lives among people who think I share their beliefs, I can say that racism is alive and well in ga.

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Gotta wonder how much the Catholic Church supports Archbishop Gregory’s outspoken position on this issue. Not only is he condoning lawbreaking, they also know that some members who are idealogically opposed to illegal immigration are going to walk. The trade off, as an earlier post noted, is that many of the illegals will flock to the Catholic Church. Years ago I said adios to my Protestant denomination when it too decided to get into the business of dictating social policy to the government.

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After working many years in construction here in Atlanta the truth is illegals claim 8 dependents and pay almost nothing in taxes or just work for Cash. All their children are feed and supported by the American who does pay taxes. Obumer is not for the average American! Also these children only know how to kick a ball around and destroy all the green grass in every park. The Dream to go to college is a stupid joke because most of them have never studied much of anything except early Sex and KICKING that STUPID BALL every darn day

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@eatmotacos. Are you ready to go out in the fields, chicken coops and watermelon patches to get your hands dirty instead of tokin meth in your trailer everyday. If, not then stfu because bleary eyed, druggies like you don’t have a clue.

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I guess ICE is doing the best job they can, but we have an estimated 20 million illegal alines in this country. I think Congerss should pass some kind of law that would make our police force ICE agents and go after the illegal aliens. When caught, fine the illegal aliens to pay for their being deported back to their own country where they belong. Why anyone would want illegal aliens in this country is far beyond me.

Illegal immigration is a cancer, it has to be eradicated not tolerated.

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Oh, one nore thing. If this Wilton Gregory doesn’t like like this law to get rid of the illegal aliens, what would he suggest to get the illegal aliens out of this country. They are here ILLEGALLY, you know. Here’s an novel idea, why don’t this Wilton Gregory take these illegal aliens back to their own country where they belong. and go with them to help them find a good life their in their own country? How about that, Arch.?

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I am very disappointed to see people like LAST MAN STANDING in this blog who can see most undocumented immigrants as a “siphoning off resources”.

They don’t contribute? Really ?
You can grow your own food? Think again , do the homework.
The next time you bite an apple, cut a head of lettuce or eat an avocado all grown in our country, think of who picked it for you.

You may be able to wipe your children butts but who is the day care provider?
Who is cleaning their schools?
Bagging your groceries?
Who where building your houses?
Look deeper.
Your not doing it all on your own.

OTHER MYTH: Illegal immigrants siphoned off billions upon billions of dollars annually in education costs.
There are millions of undocumented immigrants who come here to work, not to study. They did study in other countries…and as there are immigrants hard workers with low education there are immigrants overqualified in many areas.
May be their children are studying but is supposed people study to work and to pay taxes in the future. There is a dynamic process in this society and
YESSS there is a lot of race and bigotry in the immigration debate and the issue is in the middle of Dr. King historic rights movement.

People who think Hitler was right because he had laws to make sure the Jewish do not “brake the laws” have no idea how serious the problem is.

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eatmotacos – this might sound like splitting hairs, but that website is maintained by the USCCB, not the Vatican. National bishops’ conferences, as a whole, have absolutely NO canonical authority in the Church. They are free to issue statements, set up websites, etc., but as a Catholic, I take what is in the Catechism, which I cited in an earlier post, as authoritative teaching on this subject.

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…’whenever you bring out the RELIGIOUS RHETORIC, you bring out the WORST in everyone’ …
‘Bishop’ Gregory…

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If the Catholic Church paid taxes, the good Archbishop would be leading demonstrations to demand that the unpaid tax dollars on wages paid to illegals be recovered at all costs.

Just like a Democrat, he sure is free with other people’s money.

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catt:

” liberal;s have a tendency to group the movements together in their quest to bring attention to their movement.”

I think it goes deeper than that. I believe the reason they want to tie the movements together is to give legitimacy to the illegal aliens’ movement – and I don’t think that it will work for them.

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LMS:”…with the taxpayers footing the bill.” They pay taxes!

Also you state what sets GE apart from the illegals is that they don’t squander services. Now, exactly, how does GE pay for the impact and costs to the government and public for services and benefits for their owners, stockholders, workers etc. that other businesses pay? This is even worse…other than jobs, aren’t they costing government expenses that support their business?

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The inconsistency in the Archbishop’s position is apparent to anyone who can read. If the nation has the right to secure its borders, then foreigners do not have the right to migrate here; if foreigners have the right to migrate, then the nation does not have the right to secure its borders.

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Southern 11@ 8:52 I’m calling BS on you. Illegals cross the border (a crime), they trespass on private property (a crime), they deface that property and in one case that we know of killed the property owner (again a crime) They continue on their path to find other illegals or family members who will help them secure housing and a job. The benefits given to illegals in the forms of welfare, food stamps, free medical care, free education….. the list goes on and on. The illegals know how to get these services because they pass the word along as new illegals come in. Many states in the past have had signs along travel routes letting illegals know who to get on the government roles.

The churches, farms and businesses who employ the illegals are themselves in many cases riding the government gravy train. It’s time to put an end to all of this BS.

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The archbishop is pursuing a personal agenda as he is out of touch with both his Pope and his congregants. Pope Benedict XVI says all countries have the right to regulate immigration flows and protect their borders, and immigrants must respect the laws and national identity of the countries to which they immigrate. The archbishop instead of following the pronouncements of his Pope, strongly supports massive violation of many US immigration laws by illegal immigrants. He is also out of touch with his congregants. A national poll of US clerics and their congregants showed the following.

When asked to choose between enforcement that would cause illegal immigrants to go home over time or a conditional pathway to citizenship, most members of religious communities choose enforcement.
• Catholics: 64 percent support enforcement to encourage illegals to go home; 23 percent support conditional legalization.
• Mainline Protestants: 64 percent support enforcement; 24 percent support conditional legalization.
• Born-Again Protestants: 76 percent support enforcement; 12 percent support conditional legalization.
• Jews: 43 percent support enforcement; 40 percent support conditional legalization.

In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.
• Catholics: 69 percent said immigration is too high; 4 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.
• Mainline Protestants: 72 percent said it is too high; 2 percent said too low; 11 percent just right.
• Born-Again Protestants: 78 percent said it is too high; 3 percent said too low; 9 percent just right.
Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

The archbishop knows these poll results very well so he, along with many other religious leaders and hispanic special interest groups like La Raza, have engaged in a massive propaganda campaign to label any and everyone opposed to massive immigration as a racists. He provides no rational reason why illegal immigrants should be immune to the rule of law or more importantly why illegal immigrants should have priority over American citizens and legal immigrant for the jobs every family needs to even begin to achieve the American dream. No, from his mouth comes what the archbishop is really concerned with is the increased church membership! “I’m disappointed because much of the rhetoric — and I think a lot of it is rhetoric — is politically motivated and not related to the actual living situations of those who are here as undocumented residents,” he said. “Whenever you get into political rhetoric, you sometimes bring out the worst in people. You appeal to their least noble quality….In any fight over immigration, the archbishop Gregory would also be defending his church’s astounding growth.

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Road Scholar:

“with the taxpayers footing the bill.” They pay taxes!”

We have been up and down this road so many times that you shouldn’t need a GPS system to get you there. If they pay taxes, they pay the bare minimum, and it is not nearly ebough to offset the costs.

G.E., like all other companies and corporations, pays no taxes. None of them do, and if you think they do, you are truly delusional. Their accountants figure their tax liablility and increase their cost to consumers to cover taxes. The consumer (that is you and I) pay the taxes.

I will also challenge you, Road Scholar, to name any nation that has long survived which did not control their borders.

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@ Tired of BS
“The churches, farms and businesses who employ the illegals are themselves in many cases riding the government gravy train. It’s time to put an end to all of this BS.”

Prsident Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration upon taking office. In a letter to Sen. J. William Fulbright, received at his Villa Portofino office, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said, “The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican “XXXbacks” (rooted from the watery route taken by the Mexican nationals across the Rio Grande) to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government.”
“Operation XXXback” 1954

Once upon a time, the politicians actually represented the interest of the people who elected them. Unfortunately, we have returned to the “curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government”, that Eisenhower addressed 60 years ago, and there is no Eisenhower in sight.

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They should filter eatmotacos.

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@Michael

“They should filter eatmotacos.”

Wouldn’t that be considered vitriolic?

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Taco eater?– not. Idiot Cracker-Fascist. Yes.
Go to church moron. Love thy brother. Today is Easter. It is about redemption.
Or did your forebears go to “church” at the foot of Stone Mountain dressed in a white robe for a BBQ?

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Please provide proof that “illegal immigrants” paid 11.2 billion in taxes. If it is State and Federal withholding tax, who allowed them to work and then paid them “illegally.” If it is sales tax, how do you know what segment of the population paid those taxes? If it is property tax, are they legal absentee property owners or vacationing visitors? If the source of the taxes is known, then the illegal part should be stopped immediately!

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SuperGeorge:

“I have been reading all kind of studies showing that illegal immigrants:

1) Produce a big drain in tax resources
2) Produce contribution in resources including taxes.
3) The contribution is close to zero.”

Cite your sourses.

One last time, name ONE country that has long survived that did not protect their borders?

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Michael:

Take a hike . . .

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SuperGeorge:

Since you’ve become so good at research, check what the national debt was when Bush entered office and when he left. Compare that to the national debt when Hussein entered office to the present time. Why, Bush was a piker compared to what Hussein has done – and he hasn’t even been the president but 29 months.

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The archbishop can legitimately express his concern over any moral areas he identifies. However, it does not help his credence that the Catholic church would benefit because many of the IAs are at least nominally Catholic.

Perhaps his church would assist the home countries (financially and morally) of these immigrants so they don’t have to travel so far for opportunities.

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Why don’t you all get each other’s telephone numbers so you can meet up and actually do something about whatever it is that ails you rather than just hiding behind the liberal, evil AJC’s blog. Or are you really just one or two people that use different names so you can have a heated conversation with yourself?

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LMS;

Nobody needs to be an advanced researcher to know how Bill Cinton did receive a big budget deficit from (Bush father) and reduce it so when Bush son come to office there was a nice surplus and the economy in good standing.
Only reading newspapers anybody can know that George W. Bush not only did spend money like crazy but also he did reduce taxes even when the budget was in red sending the dollar coin down the way in fact this increased de oil price (good for the TEXACO but not goo for the average American citizen) and then with the inflation crazy the FED had to increase interest rates like crazy helping to destroy part of the the economy globally.

Bush INC made sure to have government officials in the SEC regulation agency where the lieder was the kind of people who did work in the biggest accounting companies doing “nice looking Balance sheets” to pay less taxes in corporations.
So now is not a surprise that GE with 5 Billion in profit pay zero taxes and worse, many global transnational found the way to avoid taxes.
So the tax code is also broken and the tea party like it as they like the immigration system broken and States now not really knowing what to do.
So it looks like now undocumented immigrants are guilty from all these financial mess. But the true and the fact is undocumented workers are paying more taxes than American corporations like GE.
And even worse there are some democrats politicians did help to pass this kind of laws and GA now will be a “show me your papers state” and the police will need to start using GESTAPO old “science.”

If you want to know more about Bush financial crisis just read this from an economic nobel prize; just do the homework.

Paul Samuelson: Financial crisis work of ‘fiendish monsters’
“And this all could happen only because Bush, with his “compassionate capitalism” appointed incompetent people. The head of the Securities and Exchange Commission said I’m going to run a “kinder and gentler SEC.” What did that mean to everybody? Reach for it. Nobody is going to penalize you.”

You can find this information making a simple search in the internet.
Enter your comments here

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Here is a question – What did White America do for the blacks that were brought in as slaves?? What about the Chinese that pretty much built the transcontinental railroad????

Germany paid about $70 Billion to Israel for what the Nazi’s did. Germany is is still paying about $75 million to 106,000 pensioners in Israel (yes you read correctly, they are paying those and they do not live in Germany), Companies have paid billions in compensation for wartime forced labor (slavery). And to this date Germany is still paying out reparations at about $15 Billion and it is stating that it won’t stop anytime soon.

What has White America done for the heinous treatment of blacks, chinese and native indians?? 40 Acres and a Mule? Reservations?

Really and people are posting about being right and upholding the law? Sit yourself down. Until this country owns up to their ignorance and hypocrisy they do not need lecture others about what is right and wrong. Especially as long as you think it is your “history” to fly the confederate flag so if you are proud that you enslaved people and built wealth of the abuse and lives of slaves. Please do not talk

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carpetbagger April 24th, 2011 12:39 am

Rick, your comment “Well the Catholic church doesn’t have any right to make decisions for the US government and its citizens” is foolish. The Archbishop enjoys the same First Amendment right to free speech as you and I. Or perhaps you would prefer living somewhere like Pakistan or Communist China.
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Carpetbagger: Where do you get the first amendment right context from the following statement?

But the two writers also upheld the Catholic position that “persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.”

Well the Catholic church doesn’t have any right to make decisions for the US government and its citizens!

The Archbishop may have the right to free speech, but the Catholic Church doesn’t have any sway in the US political scene. They might in the Vatican, but they don’t make political decisions here in the US. If I hear of any church supporting a political candidate, they will be reported to the IRS.

They don’t even have the moral high ground…they supported pedophiles in their ranks for decades/centuries! As an institution, they are a laughing stock. Glad to see they finally came around to believing that the earth revolves around the sun!

If it weren’t for their early indoctrination of the young they would be out of business (and it is a business) by now. The US and Europe have become much more secular in the last couple of decades and it won’t be much longer before the Catholic Church becomes irrelevant. They are so hypocritical. Their concern wasn’t for the victims of pedophiles, but on the financial liability of their parishes!

They have all these pompous rituals and they always have their hand extended for a handout!

They are only looking to include illegal aliens in their congregations so they can milk them for financial support. They have no compassion for the problems that illegal immigration is causing for US citizens! As has been stated previously in this blog, the Pope himself has recently stated that nations have a right to control immigration.

If you want to defend illegal immigration, then you and the Catholic Church should be draining your bank accounts to pay for the services being provided to illegal aliens here in the US. And those services would be more properly delivered the home countries of the illegal aliens.

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TrishaDishaWarEagle;

“And to the rest of you abject idiots, illegals are not indispensable”.

FACT:july 20,2010, ; Atlanta GA the roof was liking water messing all the living and bathroom whether channel warning more rain.
Calling 3 companies to fix the roof, 100 degrees F outside, 125 degrees F over the black roof. Nobody come 3 days. Finally a company with undocumented workers did solve the problem…

“It’s become a bizarre fixation for you to defend an invasive and costly non native species”

The fact is the real American citizen where Native Indians and the Britsh come here invading and taking the land AND killing many many. (Mexicans do not kill for the land).
British? Europeans? Non native species?
Then they brought black slaves from Africa to do the Job.

Lincoln had the same problem. Nobody knew what to do with the black slaves.
Those days the health care cost was going up also when was “legal” to kill the black slave because was ill and not good for work (like we kill today a horse).

Lincoln had also problems to count the black slaves with the census. But he had a wonder full idea. To give freedom to the blacks slaves to work, that way they can work and pay taxes and to pay their own heat care.
He did invent the “legal system”…

I was not exaggerating when saying GA is going back to the 60 s
Those days Dr King was fighting for civil right. In some ways GA is going back to the Lincoln age and to the Nazi-Hitler age.
And the church will not buy that because Jesus was killed using the same “science”.

Thanks to the Bush INC and tea party ideas that broke the federal budget for a generation plus the social problems not fixed on time now the government is needing more money.
And all this happened is Atlanta where we all know the city was “fired”in the middle of a cruel war with the racist flavor everywhere.

GA, when are you going to learn the lessons?
GA when are you going to stop the hate and bigotry you have in your DNA.?

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SuperGeorge:

“Lincoln had also problems to count the black slaves with the census. But he had a wonder full idea. To give freedom to the blacks slaves to work, that way they can work and pay taxes and to pay their own heat care.
He did invent the “legal system”…”

I never got the name of the country from you, but never mind that. Anyone who believes that Lincoln invented the legal system and wanted tax the freed slaves to pay for their healthcare is not capable of providing any logical answers to any question.

I believe “Sesame Street” has a blog. Why don’t you find it and start blogging there? I’m sure you would be impressive.

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Connections:

The hour grows late for me to be sitting here and typing.

You said that illegal aliens don’t get the services I mentioned. If an illegal alien has an “anchor baby”, they DO get these services because of the child. How many of the illegal aliens have “anchor babies”, or will try to have an “anchor baby”? That baby makes all the difference in the world as to what they can get. When you plug that baby into the equation, ALL doors open to food stamps, Section 8 housing, Social Security and everything else that is “free”.

Suggest that you do a little more study on the subject.

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LMS

Of course I know the difference, I am an economist with two University degrees.
Anybody can know the difference just reading wikipedia and places like
This; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

The day that immigrants will destroy de economy you will read it in Wikipedia not in Sesame Street.
For now I do know about the 500 Trillion financial mess in derivatives in Wall Street and 500 Trillion dollars is non existent money. That’s the financial crisis.

The points here are
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1) Illegal workers pay more taxes than much ignorant people who believe they pay nothing. And they can pay more doing the right legislation.

2) The new tea party age with the idea of low taxes is not working good.
Low taxes are good when budgets are healthy.

3) Illegal immigrants are humans and you can not treat them like an animal or using the Nazi approach. we are in the 21 Century.

4) The immigration system is broken and flawed laws like HB 87 are just a bad patch and it will not solve a complex problems like immigration.

I do believe more in Wikipedia than Sesame Street because it helps ignorant people a lot more to get out of the poor education.

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I love my Faith, but have HUGE problems with the Church! As a still practicing Catholic, I have to scratch my head at the hyprocracy within the Church. We are drilled that we need to obey the laws of the Church, but the Church oversteps the laws when it feels as if it suits it. I am not only referring ot the widely publicized lawsuits of recent. Where was the Catholic Church defending the Jews when they were being slaughtered by Hitler and his people? It was hiding Nazi’s so they wouldn’t be persecuted by the legal law of the land. I was once going to confession and was asked by the Priest who seemed to be enjoying yelling at the people in the confessional whether I had a boyfriend, I stated yes, I was then asked if I was married, I said no. I was then asked if I was living with my boyfriend (the man who I eventually married) and I said yes. I was then hit with an assault by this priest that I was going to burn in hell, that I had better leave the Church, that I wasn’t going to be able to receive the Sacraments because I was living in sin; until I got my life in order. This was the same Church that had a Mass the previous weekend for the Gays and Lesbians. My husband who I was married to, and yes was the subject of me getting kicked out of the confessional, went to our Parish Priest who was getting ready to leave to Study Cannon Law in Rome, about going through infertility treatment; he told us as long we were just trying to procreate and not create a super human being or sex select the child, that he didn’t see what was wrong with it and gave us the okay. We were trying to a second child when a visiting priest heard my confession, again asked me questions about my family etc. and the subject came around to our potentially growing family. I was told by this visiting priest that I had committed adultry by conceving the first child, and that God would forgive me, but I was to not let it happen again. My husband passed away, I was destitute, and went to Catholic Community services in the Puget Sound area to ask for help; I was turned away; we literally had no food and I had been selling off what we owned of value to keep a roof over our head; this agency was busy at the time helping refugees from other countries, which I am all for; but what is a Church if it does not take care of it’s own local congregation? It may sound noble to help other Countries out, but what about the poor here in this country who fall through the cracks every day? Not even only talking about myself back then. What about Americans today who are falling below the poverty level and need a helping hand? Other Churches take care of their own and their community before they take care of others, or in addition to taking care of others? I am so sick of being told, well if you don’t like what this priest says… then go to the church down the street, what they have to say is better. The Catholic Church did not take care of the Jews because they were not of the same faith; they are pushing to take care of the Mexican and Latino illegals because it will grow the Catholic faith in numbers within the borders of the US, which will put money in their pockets. Nevermind the already lost souls here in the US which they should be trying to show some compassion towards. We have to obey the laws, even though our country and our church is giving it to us up the shorts, but the church and government wants us to go along with allowing law breakers to continue breaking the law for their own self serving purposes, it isn’t even God’s purpose….. if the Catholic Church cared they would be

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Super George, this is about the Catholic Church bringing 3rd world Catholics here and look like the hero; but it’s really being done to rebuild their congregations due to the corruptness of the Church here in the US and around the world; they have lost the many generations of Catholics and need these new comers to pay their salaries and keep on the lights somehow. The churches on the west coast are going broke and closing; one priest is fanned across two or three parishes. Sorry to say, the Church needs to start taking are of, and making amends for the abuses it caused here, and rebuild itself. It needs to start taking care of the fellow citizens of the US who are not Catholic; and it it’s so on the bandwagon of taking care of the world, then why don’t you see the Church stepping in to help Jews, Baptists, Muslims, etc. The innocence of the faith is gone, it’s now the business of doing what needs to be done to keep a corporation alive. Just as the innocence of this once great government is gone; it’s about serving the wealthiest in this nation as the rest of the country’s expense.

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SuperGeorge:

“Of course I know the difference, I am an economist with two University degrees.”

Where were those two university degrees earned?

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Barbara Caggiano :

I like your words because there is no hate and bigotry and looks like you try to find the causes of the immigration problem.
Not like LMS in this blog, who instead of making a real contribution to the ideas ask thinks like where did you get your two university degrees.

The reason why I do blog is to contribute with ideas. I do not like to debate about racial problems.

I know that if you do not find the causes of a problem, will be almost impossible to find how to solve it. I have been educated that way.

In an immigration blog I did find this information that can help to find the causes of this immigration problem.

“ The Media Consortium, an independent journalism organization, suggests that U.S. businesses are a major reason that so many illegal immigrants are trying to cross the border, explaining that NAFTA’s free trade agreements have taken businesses away from low-wage countries in Latin America.

While NAFTA created considerable economic opportunities for U.S. businesses eager to conduct business in low-wage Mexico, it also allowed American farmers to flood the Mexican market with government-subsidized corn–destroying the country’s own corn industry and bankrupting thousands of agricultural workers.

President Obama’s most recent tour of Latin America was marked by strong protests and political resistance from lower-class workers eager to renegotiate international trade agreements.”

I do not have any research that support these ideas because I do not have the time to do it but somebody who read it make help.

May be somebody in the AJC.

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Super George, I don’t like this debate either, and believe me, I am not racist. My family is very mixed both race-wise and Religious wise. I am one struggling American who has taken it up the shorts for trying to do the right thing in life. I want to follow my faith, work hard, contribute and give to my neighbor, be a good parent, pay taxes, do volunteer work and maybe still have something left over to enjoy in life. This isn’t the way life is turning out. I am a few credits short of a Bachelors degree, have two AA degrees, have worked since the age of 9 picking berries and veggies in the summertime when I was a child.

I tend to see things as black and white after watching the Church bring a lot of gray area into the mix and convoluting what is right and wrong. I suppose I have become jaded over the years when I see those breaking the law, and pushing it off as something legal get ahead at the expense of others. I pray every day that there is world peace; I don’t like conflict but have lately realized that I have to speak out or I am part of the problem. I learned and hopefully live my grandmother’s life where if someone came to my door; anyone, that I would give them what I have of my own if they needed it whether it be food, clothing, etc. I do resent however, when I am trying to get by on a daily basis and in the past decade it’s become quite a struggle,

I have gone from eating dinner at the Governor’s mansion and being a memeber at a country club to going three days at a time without anything to eat so my son had food. I know what it’s like to go from business to business asking if they have work for the day so I have something to keep alfoat with, while I spend the rest of my day scouring for a permanent job. I know nothing is permanent and those on the top can find themselves on the bottom; and those on the bottom, if they don’t give up can move up.

I have never been on welfare or used food stamps. But I have to admit that I am frustrated when I see others going through what I have gone through and not being able to make it or get by. I loathe the lazy ones who feed of the system and abuse government services that are there to give someone a hand up. I am too proud to use those services which is probably why I suffered so much when things were really bad.

I am middle aged and know I will be working until I drop dead; but I have passed the golden years when employers were clammering for my inexperience and youth. Right now I just want to work and get my son through college so I don’t have to watch him go through what I am going through. I would gladly work three jobs to do so. When I was going to college, I was going to become a teacher, and learned that I needed to know so I had something to teach. My focus, even though it wasn’t a useful tool towards teaching was cultural studies and world migration; I was hoping to become a Math and Science teacher for elementary students; a dual degree.

Please don’t think I am picking at you on this blog. I give what you have to say credibility unlike a few of the other posts here. I think the time of being politically correct has long passed in this country and it’s about time we have an honest discussion about issues, and learn that it’s okay to agree to disagree. Maybe I am posting here, because I have left in the middle of Mass when they have started talks about how I should be allowing of others to live their lives and break the law and support it. I wrestle with it every day in my thoughts. I get frustrated when I get turned down for jobs that I am over qualified for, but would be happy and have a great attitude about just having the job. I would be the best employee they ever hired and give any job whatever I had to give physically, mentallly and emotionally.

I will never break the law in order to get ahead, and hopefully God will have mercy on me for thinking and being the way I am when it comes time for me to stand at judgement. I wish there was no poverty, hunger, turmoil, hate; and I am kind of old fashioned because I believe in a way that going through these hardships that our country is going through will make us bond as a nation and realize what is important again. I am guilty of not caring as much when I was doing better in life, because I was too busy enjoying the finer things that life had to offer, and they became more important than what was really important. I think I have discovered though that the jobs that are being argued about on this blog, are the Blue collar jobs; I have discovered that i would much rather live the life of a blue collared person than hold a White collar job and live that lifestyle again. The blue collar people are much kinder in a lot of ways and have a better grasp on the realities of life, even though most of these people aren’t papered with a degree. It would however, be great if every American could be awarded the chance to learn if they chose to learn, that way we wouldn’t have such ignorance in this country; but I do believe life credit should be given for living and walking a day in someone elses shoes.

Thank you for taking the time to share your ideas and thoughts on here.

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Connections:

I am beginning to think that it is useless to worry about illegal immigration, the deficit, the national debt and redistribution of wealth. The confiscation of corporations by the fed and socialized healthcare probably don’t matter either,

The U.S., if it continues its’ current course, has a limited life futue, and will cease to exist as a nation in a very short period of time. I only wonder if those who supported the “open borders”, globalization and “cradle to grave” mentality will realize then that their foolish support of these things brought this once-great nation down?

As your president said, “We live in the greatest nation on Earth. Tomorrow we will begin to fundamentally change . . . “

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The U.S., if it continues its’ current course, has a limited life futue, and will cease to exist as a nation in a very short period of time. I only wonder if those who supported the “open borders”, globalization and “cradle to grave” mentality will realize then that their foolish support of these things brought this once-great nation down?

As your president said, “We live in the greatest nation on Earth. Tomorrow we will begin to fundamentally change . . . “

I totally agree with you on this point Last Man Standing, except for the fact that yesterday we already started to fundamentally change. We are no longer the greatest country, well thought of, support great ideal, and as each day passes we are becoming more like what is bringing the illegals into this country. Eventually there will be no difference between the once great American where the wealthy are very wealthy and the rest of the country is poor, begging in the streets and fleeing to another more prosperous country. We have sold ourselves out, and I mean all of us, because we have stood by quietly and greedily when it wasn’t our problem and let it happen to us. We Americans need to rally together, take to the streets and make our voices heard; and take back our government. We have to understand that American may crumble under what is currently going on but Americans, because of our heritage and the strong, proud stock we come from will go on. It all depends on how bad we want to see things get. Whoever else is reading this don’t think this doesn’t apply to you, are you going to wait until your quality of life is compromised before you finally get off your backside and do something about it? If we wait too long it may be too late. Early immigrants in this country lived what we are going back to now. Low wages, long hours, being undercut for those who will work for less money. Living and working in horrid 3rd world country conditions; all while the wealthiest of this country continue to get richer. In addition to wars that were fought in the name of America, blood was shed to better the working conditions for each American which we are allowing to be sold down the river so the wealthy can gain more wealth at our expense.

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I recommend that the bishop put away raping choir boys for a moment & pull out the book that he so calls preaches from. The Bible specifically says obey all laws – no exception.

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Barbara Caggiano”

” totally agree with you on this point Last Man Standing, except for the fact that yesterday we already started to fundamentally change.”

Actually, that quote was made just prior to Obama’s inauguration, or just after that. I could search it out, quote it exactly, but what I typed is close, if not exact.

It is still hard for me to accept the inevitable demise of the U.S., but it will happen unless people wake up, and wake up very quickly. Because of governmental taxation and the greed of some unions, we no longer manufacture anything in great quantity any more. At one time, “Made in U.S.A.” meant a superior product, well designed and well manfactured. Now, it is difficult to even buy anything that was manufactured in the U.S. Japan now builds the superior cars while the vehicles we “build” have transmissions built in other countries, electronics from Cjina and Asian countries, steel imported from Japan, etc. If you took everything out of your home that was made in China, there would be very little left! Most furniture now comes from China.

Faced with the economic recession or depression (take your choice), the U.S. now prints money as fast as the printing can be done and infuses into circulation/ This, the decline in the dollar and rising food costs has created a very real inflation problem. As the fed no longer includes the cost of fuel and food when they figure inflation, and the fact that property values are depressed, the government says that the inflation rate is near zero. People who buy gasoline, pay heating/cooling bills and shop for groceries know that this is false,

It isn’t my idea of “hope” and “change”, unless you want to say that I “hope” that in 2012 we will see a major “change”.

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Facts:

I have raised two children who are adults and parents now. I never told anyone how to raise a child.

I have never even commented on anyone who parked in a handicap parking space because I never knew what any of the peoples’ problems were.

You are right about one thing: I don’t worry about HB87. I am an American citizen and I can prove it. I will not be offended if I am asked to do so. You see, I’ve always thought that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

How about you?

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“In any fight over immigration, the archbishop would be acting as the principal teacher of Catholic doctrine in North Georgia.” Maybe he needs to study a little less of Catholic doctrine and study God’s doctrine. He would then know that God not only approves of borders, and standards and flags and methods of deliniating national boundries, but is the author of such notions. The American people have a God given right to a national heritage and individual family heritages, even though the archbishop would be repulsed by that idea.

If the Catholic Church had not been, and did not continue to be such promoters of communisim through out Central and South America, those poor illegal aliens would have a decent native home country in which to reside and flourish. No I am not pleased by illegal, usurping, theives and the promoters of their entitlement attitude.

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@ Last Man Standing I personally think this has gone on for decades. Even though I was not a union member, I remember starting to hang my head back when the unions were beginning to break down decades ago. A lot of those who aren’t and have never been union members, and even some who are union members don’t realize or have forgotten that because of the unions, non-union members have a higher wager and better working conditions. Yes, they got corrupt and over bloated as I hear all the time, but getting completely rid of them or allowing our govenment to legislate them away, was wrong; and as with other things we have stood by and let it happen. I blame both Democrats and Republicans equally for the mess we are finding ourselves in. There are great members of both parties who really care about the American public, but there are quite a few there on both sides who are there for their own personal gain. They live to a different standard than the average American and basically are out of touch with those who elected them or average America. I am trying to keep on topic at this site, but this issue is so complex. Our country is going down a very dangerous path at the expense of us, and has been for a very long time. The propoganda we are being fed on the news, radio and papers is what they want us to believe; and very few go beyond the mainstream and are brave enough to hear what they don’t necessarily believe in to get fair and balanced facts. One has to dig for the truth,and even at that it’s almost impossible to find when it comes to what the ones we elected are doing for our country and ourselves, the reasons why and who is benefiting from it. I sometimes think the average American couldn’t handle the facts of the truth. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but know there are conspiracies going on and it isn’t for the benefit or good fortune of the upper middle class, middle class or poor American. We are just the fools who have allowed ourselves to be caught in the middle, and bear the brunt of the repercussions.

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Barbara Caggiano,

If you have pc access check out USAJOBS. Check it two or three days a week. You can also use a search agent with this site to issue email notices to you if the certain employment opportunity you desire is being offered by any agency. Good Luck and don’t too get upset if you don’t get picked up initially. Keep trying. Sooner or later you will be picked up. Hang in there!

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deegee, If I came across as depressing to you that was not my intention. Quite the opposite in fact; I was stating fact as I know it. I am grateful that God has chosen to give me the experiences he has in life, because now I know what a bad day is and can empathize with those who are suffering. Getting my nails done or a bad haircut and not being able to get another appointment if a nail breaks, etc. is not going to destroy my day as it does for some. I don’t know about your situation but there are tens of millions like me who have a story to tell in this economy turned for the worse and even before the economy turned for the worse; and they too keep plodding along day after day. They don’t get spoken about in the news, they pay their fair share and never give up trying. They even find ways to enjoy life that those who haven’t had it tough have found a way to do so. I am proud that I haven’t quit trying, just as they are too. However, all that said, it doesn’t mean that me or others like me aren’t wrestling with caring for our fellow human beings without being taken advantage of. We are the ones who have been able to find humor in tough situations; but there is a time and place for humor. The job I have now doesn’t even begin to pay the bills, and I am looking for another job that will supplement the job I have until the economy picks up. I am not tooting my horn but making a point that a person I work with asked me a couple of months ago how I can remain so upbeat even after our hours have been cut for the third time in four months. It’s life, and it happens. I was going to retire from my last three jobs, planning on working at each of these jobs until that time came. I didn’t have control that the jobs were outsourced, the company folded or there was corruption and a large sum of money went missing so the branch of our office closed. My purpose for telling the things I did was to help some of those who haven’t experienced life in manners such as this a glmpse into what it’s like; so maybe they can better understand where the frustration lies, I can guarantee you that a Catholic Priest, except when choosing to fast, hasn’t gone without heat in his house, food on his table of some kind and knows what his pay check is going to be, and the fact that he’s going to have a paycheck. They even have medical insurance which is something I don’t think the average Catholic or lay person thinks about. i am not denying them their life; but how dare they tell us how we should be thinking and believing when they don’t walk the walk and talk the talk. We are counseled on our sins but are supposed to turn the other way and be loving and accepting of law breakers. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

God put me in this situation because there is something I am supposed to learn or there is someplace I am supposed to be, just as you are to be someplace and learning something. I don’t believe however, that God wants me to learn that the law applies to some but not the others. I still stand by my opinion that I love my Faith, I just have huge problems with the Corporations called the Catholic Church and the US Government. These are two corporations that really don’t care about the ones who put money in their trough so they can live well. If I really thought they cared about the illegals I might be able to change my mind, but they are using them to line their pockets just as we have been used and are continuing to be used.

I am amazed when people talk on blogs and boards about illegal immigration that former President Clinton’s name hasn’t been mentioned. He GAVE amnesty to illegals when he was in office and stated that it was a one time thing that was never to happen again. That was supposed to alleviate the problem, but it’s worse now than it’s ever been. Those of you who think we should do this again might want to re-evaluate that plan. It failed miserably.

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Thank you Orange11, that is one of the places I use and will continue to use, I very much appreciate the encouragement.

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Cobb Woman of Color you are correct and the so call Black leaders have failed to address the problems. How can 2 hundred years of slavery, forced family segregation, force breeding, murders of innocent blacks, chattel property claims, a civil war equate to wanting a job. Blacks had 100% employment but were paid zero dollars.

They will use the civil rights propaganda to achieve their status in the US and forget the NAACP, all the Revenends that walked with them and established their own businesses and communities like what is happening in California and other communities. I lived around Hispanics of Mexican decent for over 12 years, very hard working people, they want the best for their families, but not what the so call black leaders think beside they want to used these illegals for their political gain.

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@Cobb Woman of Color

An academic study that you may find interesting:

“Latino Employment and Black Violence: The Unintended Consequence of U.S. Immigration Policy”

“The study confirms that Latino immigration and dominance of low skill jobs have displaced blacks from low-skill labor markets, which in turn led to more violence in urban black communities. According to their analysis, this is traceable to U.S. immigration policies over the last several decades.”
LSU Media Center 4/12/10

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Yes, Catholic priests are certainly the last ones to be preaching to politicians about anything involving morality. As has been mentioned herein, this is all money motivated, and has little to do with religion. People have been leaving the Catholic church in droves since the flood of sexual improprieties by their priests have been made public. Now, they have a new source of revenue in the illegal alien population. The religious espousers constantly quote the Bible, saying that soujourners should be made welcome. They fail to point out that a “soujourner” is a traveler passing through, not one who has permanently and illegally settled here and using taxpayers’ resources for their support. Illegal immigration is not a religious issue, nor is it a moral one. It is an issue of law, and immigrants here illegally have broken the laws of this country. Get religion out of politics, and base future decisions on the will of the majority, not the minority.

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@ Cobb Woman of Color

You should start by throwing these two prostitutes out of office, and never, ever eating another Vidalia onion – you can use association – everytime you see one, think of the hundreds of thousands of invaders that can be linked to Chambliss and Vidalia onions – the equivelant of Fort Sumter in the immigration wars.

Isakson, Chambliss Deliver Sweet Vidalia Onions to Senate Colleagues
2,000 Pounds of Famous Vidalias Driven from Georgia to Capitol Hill

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senators Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) and Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) today climbed onto the back of a truck to help unload more than 2,000 pounds of Vidalia onions that were driven from Georgia to Washington this week. Isakson and Chambliss presented 10-pound boxes of the famous Georgia-grown onions to all 100 Senate offices.6/5/2007

AS they fanned into the Vidalia onion fields of Georgia, the 45 federal agents were doing exactly what they thought they were supposed to do. It was 1998, and they had just arrested 21 illegal immigrant farm workers and were about to round up hundreds more.

Saxby Chambliss, then a representative and now a senator, accused immigration officials of using ”bullying tactics,” while Senator Paul Coverdell denounced ”a moonshine raid” against ”honest farmers who are simply trying to get their products from the field to the marketplace.” The Immigration and Naturalization Service backed down, granting temporary amnesty to illegal onion pickers in 19 Georgia counties.
4/16/2006 “The Nation”

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Isn’t it appropriate that people who spend their time fretting over what someone else has don’t do as well as those that concentrate on their job and their education. It’s a big wide world and there is room for everyone. If you can come to this country as an illegal immigrant with nothing but the shirt on your back and within ten years have a comfortable, middle class life, why can’t those that are born and raised here? Maybe it’s because the immigrants go to work when they aren’t really feeling up to it. They don’t miss work because they need to see their P.O., or because their old man didn’t come home last night, or their old lady ran the car out of gas, or they had to bail their old man out of jail, or their kid got expelled from school, or their kid got locked up, etc. etc.

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@duhgee

” They don’t miss work because they need to see their P.O., or because their old man didn’t come home last night, or their old lady ran the car out of gas, or they had to bail their old man out of jail, or their kid got expelled from school, or their kid got locked up, etc. etc.”

Sounds like a lifestyle that you are very familiar with……..

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No surprise that the Catholic church in general, and specifically in Ga, does not support any legislation to curb illegal immigration. Were it not for them, the Catholic church would likely die on the vine.

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@Phil L – that’s an excellent point. I get upset that big corporations get away with not paying taxes, like they NO apathy regarding the country and how much many of us our struggling. Immigrants do pay taxes and of course this argument is being used over and over – but they are do the jobs Americans are too ‘good’ to do. It’s almost like Americans would rather live off welfare than work be a maid or work in construction (I’m not speaking from quantitative data, but just what I have observed, mostly immigrants work these jobs.)

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People who live in apartments pay property tax — it’s in their rent. Do you think apartment owners don’t pay property tax? And everyone who wants to live 10 to an apartment is allowed to, divide up the rent payment and live more cheaply.

I know you illegal haters hate to hear this but crossing a border without a visa of some sort is illegal but it is not a crime. Consequently illegal aliens are not criminals. By analogy (sorry, we liberals use big words), anti-bankruptcy clauses in contracts are illegal, but they are not crimes. Driving without a seatbelt is illegal but is not a crime.

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First off, Michael, it is not legal to live 10 people to an apartment, almost every county has laws about how many people can live in apartments of various sizes, and it is also a violation of leases. About 30 years ago I got in trouble with my apartment community because my brother was staying with me in a one bedroom apartment. So they may be paying property taxes in their rent, but they are not paying their fair share of taxes.

I can understand why the “greedy” big business Republicans want illegal labor, it raises profits which the greedy rich can exploit. But what I do not understand is how the labor movement can support this farce. If illegals where not here, labor rates at the bottom of the scale would have to rise, thus benefiting low wage workers. A farmer will have to find someone or something (machinery) to harvest their crops. A motel will have to pay more for maids, making hotel rooms more expensive. Your local fast food establishment will have to pay higher wages to attract workers, raising the price of eating out, but the workers would end up with a net positive increase because of the higher wages.

I have traveled to many other countries. At the border you receive a stamp in your passport that says it is illegal to work in that country as a visitor. At each hotel you visit, the desk clerk is required to see your passport, to see the current stamp and your status being there. If landlords, hotels, and establishment that rents shelter is required to check identity documents, we can solve this problem quickly. But no one has the guts to tackle the problem, and anyone who is for American workers rights (meaning citizens and legal guest workers) is branded a “racist”, a simplistic and ignorant statement.

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YOU GUYS ARE HILLARIOUS. its pretty funny to read all your comments where you go nut about this HB87 stuff… you speak like people will actually take in consideration everything your saying.. “round ‘em up and send them home”, ship’em back to mexico…etc. (BTW quick point, not all illegals are mexican, there are about 20 more countries going south, do some reading.) regardless, the last time we mixed religion people got burn at the stake (IF YOU DONT KNOW, go educate yourself)… i think its ironic how we call ourselves a christian nation, yet we dont hold christian beliefs. we ALL are a bunch of hipocrits. we go to church every sunday, and ask God for forgiveness, yet we do not forgive those who have also done wrong. when Jesus met the samaritan, she didnt kick him out, she actually gave him some water (ONCE AGAIN, if you dont know educate yourself).
and sticking to the facts, is that whether we like it or not, this state will suffer a major shock after this bill becomes a law. for several reasons, among them is that there are other people in other states that will boicott Georgia, there arent enough white people here to work in the fields for minimum wage, under a candid sun picking onions, peaches, etc. Atlanta is the business capital of the south, we all know this, how are other countries gonna take this? MORE BOICOTTS. and even better, Arizona has lost about 4 millions (IN TAX PAYER MONEY) thanks to a few law suits… i think the tea party and republicans should be the ones paying for this, hence they are supporting this bill. in the end, this is whats gonna happen. illegals will be here, whether we like them or not, the cost of getting rid of them is too high, and we cant afford to do it.

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dont bother replying to this, i wont be back. i got more important things to do like getting my education so i can keep fighting for the rights of the less fortunate (and sticking it up to those who like playing the “i know it all game”)

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Is hard to believe in a legislation done and based in a system like E-Verify with so many issues.

E -Verify “ it is still a system that warrants much needed improvement. Alarmingly, until improvements are made, employers are left in the difficult position of having to use a flawed system while still being held accountable for hiring unauthorized workers even if they were confirmed through E-Verify.

The current E-Verify system matches a name to a social security number, and where available, a photo taken from a U.S. passport, green card or EAD, but it is not able to reliably confirm that the person presenting the documents is in fact the person associated with the name. To illustrate this point, a December 2009 report by Westat, an independent consulting group, reported that “54% of the unauthorized workers who are checked through E-Verify are confirmed as work authorized.” This is an extremely high margin of error for a system whose very purpose is to confirm that every person employed in the United States is, in fact, authorized to work.

Moreover, while E-Verify’s photo-matching tool allows an employer to view a picture from a green card, EAD, or passport to determine whether the person standing in front of them matches the picture in the system, it still falls entirely on the judgment of the employer to confirm the identity of the person before them.”

Source: http://www.ilw.com/articles/2011,0426-brueggemann.shtm

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$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

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$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

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$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

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$12 Billion dollars a year is spenton primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

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$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

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$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
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30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

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$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

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$200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
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The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
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During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens

from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana crossed into the US from the southern border.
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The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

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In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

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The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States.

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU’RE HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY — IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Are we THAT stupid?

YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!! JUST FOR VOTES!!
It is time again to Take Out The Trash!

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Hello everyone. My comment is: I don’t have a problem with “immigrants” as long as they are here legally. Have taxes taken out of “their” paychecks to put back into the system that they illegally take from. They get paid under the table with personal checks from “us” legals so there is no trace of documentation. Companies will pay “them” because they will work for less therefore taking jobs from “legal documented workers”. The “illegals” take advantage of state resources but, again, not giving back. This is the reason Grady Hospital is sinking and other hospitals turn the immigrants away. When it comes to crime, they disappear. They knowingly give false information when approached by police, this is illegal. They own businesses like car lots that clearly tell them in ads of their language that they don’t need ssn, identification, or insurance when a car is purchased by them. If they cause an accident the cost is on “you” because they flee or the information given is false. My point is if immigrants wish to stay in any of these states they should do it “legally”. “PAY WHERE YOU LAY”! One of my co-workers have a great suggestion for all of us. She propose we all keep our entire paycheck (like them), allow us the option to pay into healthcare (as some of us do through our jobs-and are fine with that) but tax all purchases (state tax ONLY-not Federal or Medicare) this way everyone contributes. This is fair because money will even come from those who abuse the system. Then, the “system” is responsible for putting money in places it should go.

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