The archbishop and Georgia’s illegal immigration debate

We are about to enter Stage Two of the debate over illegal immigration in Georgia.

With its endorsement of an Arizona-style crackdown on illegal immigrants, our Legislature has simply pushed past the preliminaries.

Archbishop Wilton Gregory of Atlanta, left, talks with Maria Elena Castro Malagreca at the state Capitol on Good Friday. Jason Getz, jgetz@ajc.com

Archbishop Wilton Gregory of Atlanta, left, talks with Maria Elena Castro Malagreca at the state Capitol on Good Friday. Jason Getz, jgetz@ajc.com

Nathan Deal’s signature on House Bill 87 — the governor has said he will add it — will begin a predictable series of lawsuits, appeals, boycotts, demonstrations and counterdemonstrations.

We know that post-signature support for HB 87 will be peopled with hard-core Republicans and tea party activists. They insisted on the measure’s passage. But the most prominent face of the opposition may surprise you.

Its owner is African-American — and Catholic.

For the General Assembly may have just thrown a pitch into the wheelhouse of Archbishop Wilton Gregory and a surging Catholic Church in Georgia.

In a Good Friday interview on the steps of the state Capitol, Gregory expressed his disappointment in HB 87, a measure that he called “harsh and punitive.”

“I’m disappointed because much of the rhetoric — and I think a lot of it is rhetoric — is politically motivated and not related to the actual living situations of those who are here as undocumented residents,” he said. “Whenever you get into political rhetoric, you sometimes bring out the worst in people. You appeal to their least noble qualities.”

The Atlanta archbishop had weighed in on the issue before. In March, in a pastoral letter written with Bishops Kevin Boland of Savannah and Luis Zarama of Atlanta – the latter a native of Colombia, Gregory acknowledged the right of a nation to secure its borders. Like many others, the trio laid much of the blame for the current situation on a dysfunctional federal government.

But the three writers also upheld the Catholic position that “persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.”

And on Friday, Gregory said HB 87, by allowing law enforcement officers to demand proof of legal residency, carries the likelihood of “families that could be separated and, obviously, children left without parental supervision.”

The bill gives short shrift, he said, to the role that illegal immigrants have played in building Atlanta. “I think people are being demonized. Many of the jobs that are being described as being taken were there for the taking before immigrant people arrived,” Gregory said.

The archbishop had just finished a blessing aimed at 150 or so people gathered at the Capitol steps for the start of a pilgrimage commemorating the Stations of the Cross — Jesus’ path to crucifixion.

Many of the faces belonged to native English speakers, but almost as many did not. They included purple-robed worshippers from Peru, as well as a young man in the uniform of a U.S. Army private bearing a name tag that read “Gutierrez.” The service was conducted alternately in English and Spanish.

As a denomination, Catholics have not been absent from debates over social policy in the South. But their numbers were too small to draw much attention during the civil rights movement of the ’50s and ’60s. Ditto with protests over Vietnam.

Over the past 10 years and more, Catholics have paired with Southern Baptists and Methodists to push through ever-tougher state legislation to rein in Roe v. Wade and oppose embryonic stem cell research. Yet they have always been the junior partners in the alliance.

Immigration is rapidly emerging as the first large-scale social dispute that will feature Georgia Catholics at the head of the parade. Catholic churches in metro Atlanta served as venues for many pre-Easter celebrations last week. Many addressed HB 87 in some fashion.

“I have written about it. I have preached about it. I will encourage the priests and deacons of the archdiocese … to raise this to public attention. I won’t be silent,” the 63-year-old Gregory said.

Should the archbishop become a major voice in the Southern debate over immigration, his is likely to be an effective one.

The media-savvy Gregory was named to lead the Atlanta Archdiocese in 2004 as one of the last acts of a soon-to-be beatified Pope John Paul II.

Before that, he was president of the 190-member U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and earned praise for his response to child molestation scandals that tore at the fabric of church leadership in America.

Gregory is said to be on many short lists of candidates for the red cap of a cardinal. He would be the first African-American to wear it.

In any fight over immigration, the archbishop would be acting as the principal teacher of Catholic doctrine in North Georgia. But Gregory would also be defending his church’s astounding growth.

In 2006, church registries counted 350,000 Catholics in the archdiocese, spokeswoman Pat Chivers said. The numbers didn’t reflect Hispanics who didn’t register — out of a fear that they would be reported to authorities.

“More and more people register as the trust increases,” she said.

Head counts in Catholic churches in North Georgia are now approaching the 1 million mark, with Spanish speakers nearly equal to non-Spanish speakers in numbers.

“We’re representing the people in our parishes,” she said.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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147 comments Add your comment

Phil Lunney

April 23rd, 2011
3:25 pm

Anybody see today’s article about illegal aliens paying $11.2 billion in taxes and GE paying nothing. So the GOP solution is cut business taxes and throw out illegals, how will they pay for that? I am proud of the Archbishop, he is the first male representative of the Catholic Church that I have been proud of all year. Hope the Vatican or US Bishops don’t repremand him.

eatmotacos

April 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm

Jim’s rosey article about the ever benevolent Catholic Church, and their selfless quest to help the poor and downtrodden in the world, could use some balance – it isn’t difficult to find on the net. Once again, it’s all about the money.

“In the 1940’s, the Catholic Church helped Nazis escape prosecution to begin new lives in South America. At least from the 1960’s to the present, the church chose to protect child-molesting priests over innocent children. Now, to save itself that same Catholic Church is encouraging an illegal invasion of this country…Is it any wonder that this church has become irrelevant to most Americans.
The Catholic Church has been forced to pay-out millions to the victims of pedophilic priests. Fed up with the hypocrisy and disregard for the lives of innocent children, many Americans have fled the Church. The illegal aliens represent exactly what the Catholic Church needs right now…largely uneducated and devoted worshippers with jobs.”
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Last Man Standing

April 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm

Phil Lunney

“Anybody see today’s article about illegal aliens paying $11.2 billion in taxes and GE paying nothing.”

Maybe that statement is correct, but what about it? G.E. hasn’t been siphoning off resources such as education, food stamps, section 8 housing, social security and medical services with the taxpayers footing the bill. I doubt the numbers you provide and their source. G.E. also has committed no crimes resulting in loss, injury or death against the American citizens. G.E. has not been involved in auto accidents where injury and death resulted.

It surprises me not that a member of the Catholic clergy would champion the “rights” of illegal aliens to committ the crime of illegal entry. After all, Hispanics are predominantly Catholic and contribute to the Catholic Church. This is a “follow the money” issue.

jm fay

April 23rd, 2011
3:46 pm

This is the same man who if a legal person needed help; they would have a problem getting it because he is like many religious people in that they are hypocrites. They have no problem helping illegals while at the same time denying help or limiting help to our own citizens especially those who are disabled.

Sorry but the responsibility of the citizens of this country is to the legal residents and as well citizens not the illegal ones. We have enough of our own who badly need help and are struggling and have been for years but when it comes to them getting any help; there is none or very little around.

People who come here illegally and are subsequently deported and split their own families; brought it on themselves. Are you helping the US citizens and legal residents who split up their own families when they go to prison? probably not.

He is as bad in GA as the LDS is in UT with the UT Compact.

By the way; these illegals doing work that “no American” would want; are taking jobs away from our teenagers or poorest people who need these jobs and they are also depressing our wages. You dont mention that though in your speech. If you dont have any of those in your community; we can find plenty all over the country to ship them to you so you can have people to help and so that these people can get back on their feet again.

Borders are there for a reason. People do not get to live where they want to live; when ever they want to live. If we need to take in more people; there are millions of people in refugee camps all over the world. We do not need to be helping Mexico, Latin America or anyone else who overstays their visas for whatever reason.

Rick

April 23rd, 2011
4:04 pm

But the two writers also upheld the Catholic position that “persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.”

Well the Catholic church doesn’t have any right to make decisions for the US government and its citizens!

Perhaps they should stop molesting little boys and start paying taxes if they want to make political commentary. They are here only for the spiritual needs of their congregations.

Maybe a group should picket their assemblies/services and preach how they should stop molesting little boys and while they at it, they can open up their treasuries to pay for the needs of these illegal aliens. They can build their own Catholic schools and educate the children of illegals. Instead they want to pass the costs of illegal aliens onto the local taxpayers while they pass their collection baskets under the noses of illegal aliens.

eatmotacos

April 23rd, 2011
4:05 pm

The illegal aliens function as a catalyst to siphon money from the American taxpayers, and almost all of the factions who champion them, do so under the guise of humanitarians. The chicken pluckers, rug merchants and onion farmers, et al., exploit them for cheap, taxpayer subsidized labor, while other parties, e.g., the Catholic church, who view them as easy marks, abscond with their fruadulently obtained government handouts, and meager earnings.

[...] Georgia’s doyen of political reporting, Jim Galloway, quotes the Archbishop saying the bill is “harsh and punitive.” [...]

cs

April 23rd, 2011
4:38 pm

let them “migrate” to italy and see if the italians and the head church appreciate it.

MD

April 23rd, 2011
6:11 pm

What rights do illegals have? None round them up and send them home!

Not Blind

April 23rd, 2011
6:20 pm

He should be saying something like “…those wages were there to be driven down….”. That’s the real truth about ‘doing jobs Americans won’t do’. He should go to Mexico if he wants to help Mexicans.

con

April 23rd, 2011
6:21 pm

GA has a racist past with slavery and segregation. And, of course, this attack on immigrants is racist as well. We seem to need to discriminate against some minority.

wigglwagon

April 23rd, 2011
6:23 pm

““I think people are being demonized. Many of the jobs that are being described as being taken were there for the taking before immigrant people arrived,” Gregory said.”

That is an out and out falsehood. Either the Archbishop knows nothing of American history and business or he has an ulterior motive to ignore the truth. We did not get the American economy as a prize for winning the Revolutionary War. American workers struggled and fought for two hundred years to get decent and safe working conditions and a living wage. American employers did not give those things up without a fight. They bought politicians so they could get the US Army and state units of the National Guard to use machine guns to kill protesting workers! That is fact, Mr. Gregory. Ever since things like time and a half over 8 and over 40 and workers’ comp were passed into federal law, employers have fought diligently to rescind them. Illegal immigration is just the latest and one of the most effective tools that employers use to destroy those hard earned working conditions and wages. The next fact is that the jobs you describe as being there for the taking are not available to legal residents as long as there is an illegal alien here. Exploitive employers will not hire legal residents for fear of charges being filed over abusive and unsafe working conditions. Destroying working conditions might be in the best interest of the Catholic church, but it is definitely not in the best interest of American workers.

The only people being demonized here are American workers. Too many people attempt to justify their own self worth by looking down from their lofty perches at Americans they deem too lazy to work.

Facts

April 23rd, 2011
6:54 pm

Americans especially white American been siphoning FREE labor from the blacks, the chinese and latinos. Slavery, Transcontinental railways and pretty much anything else. There should be a report done on how many white Americans and companies built their wealth of the blood, sweat and tears of minority starting with Slavery.

White America can be so hypocrital with their religious, family values and their christian beliefs. It ONLY applies where they see them fit and only to their kind. Also white America is quick to say that there is no racisim, of course they don’t see it because they are not at risk. It’s similar how people with no children always can tell parents how to properly raise a child.

This HB87 propaganda really shows the world how we as America are actually liars because we dictate how other countries should treat their people but yet can’t treat people in their own country as humans. It is American citizens that dragged America down and are continuing to do so by ignorance, racism and hate mongering. It’s pathetic to me to point your fingers at 3 – 4% of US population and blaming them for the big problems of the 97%. Just ignorant and it keeps getting worse, we can’t afford to cut any more education otherwise we will deal with a lot more of this ignorance

Orange11

April 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm

Gee Facts, did that suppossed racism etcetera, etcetera happen during your lifetime? I think not!

catt

April 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm

Yeah, 11.2 billion in taxes nationwide , but tax payers pay 125 billion to host their illegal butts.
If you want to see the 14.5 trillion dollar US deficit reduced, we must enforce our immigration laws. In 1986 Immigration Control and Reform Act was a zero-tolerance policy that was subverted by business interests. We cannot afford any more half measures, from the ongoing resistance of politicians like Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) in the growing reaching empowerment of the TEA PARTY. Illegal Immigration is an incendiary issue, caused over decades of Washington lack of sympathy to US worker, with estimates of 20 million foreign nationals feeding of the welfare system they have—NOT–attributed too? The worst issue is the instant baby citizenship law, which has become a perpetual foothold for hundreds of thousands of illegal families annually and probably the most fiscally of expenditure for taxpayers. Our overcrowded through k-12 schools are suffering, with hospital emergency rooms not far behind.
What is so hard for people to understand america needs to enforce its immigration laws just like any other country does, so tired of the weak elected officials and greedy business community trying to make it any thing but what it is, their criminals ,deport them.

anonymous

April 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm

What I fail to understand is how people could fight so hard to displace people in their own country, with the help of Americans. Illegal aliens don’t need their help they are astute at helping themselves, they know every trick in the book to get the American tax payer dollars before they come. The females come with an open crotch and hands out,carrying several last names as they bleed the government of every thing they can get. I was a sympathizer but after witnessing how they live, they go to food stamp and other government agencies claiming to live in a house of many and that they split the bills they can keep doing this for years even though they have moved on and now live in a 250,00.00 home,drive a luxurious car and own their own businesss. They still collect government assistance, they never get off, and the government have no way of checking, most government workers just take for granted that, that is the way they live. Some even open restaurants feeding you with the food they brought with food stamps because an illegal cannot open a business they put the business in somebody else’s name. While American citizens are out their busting their guts paying taxes hoping to somdeday own their own home or business.

Last Man Standing

April 23rd, 2011
7:58 pm

Facts:

“It’s pathetic to me to point your fingers at 3 – 4% of US population and blaming them for the big problems of the 97%. Just ignorant and it keeps getting worse, we can’t afford to cut any more education otherwise we will deal with a lot more of this ignorance.”

I knew this or a similar post would be coming. Blame the white race: it is all their fault.

I assume that you are saying that 3-4% of the population is illegal aliens? What is your source for that figure?

When you supply your source for that figure of illegal aliens, please answer one question for me. Name for me ANY country that has long survived without controlling its’ borders. That shouldn’t be too hard for you to answer.

You are ASSUMING by your statement that “whites” disapprove of immigration. As has been stated time and again by people posting here, it is the ILLEGAL immigration that people are opposed to, and not legal immigration. Illegal immigrants siphoned off billions upon billions of dollars annually in education costs, Section 8 housing, food stamps, Social Security, medical treatment, property damage from uninsured auto accidents, jail and prison housing and thefts – all at the expense of the American taxpayer. This does not take into account the damage done to human life in terms of homicides, assaults, sexual assaults and motor vehicle accident resulting in injuries and fatalities.

It was obvious at the outset of your post that you wanted to make a comment on racism, and make it retroactive to the 18th century. The rest was just so much “window dressing”.

I await your answer with regard to the borders.

catt

April 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm

Thank God for the Georgia representatives Mr.Deal and the other patriots that did their job, HB87 passage,you’ll have my vote in next election.

Quiet neighbor

April 23rd, 2011
8:16 pm

As a white Georgian who lives among people who think I share their beliefs, I can say that racism is alive and well in ga.

catt

April 23rd, 2011
8:20 pm

You don’t see that many black people hanging themselves over illegal immigrants who don’t give a damm about them.
It would be foolish for black people to think illegal immigration doesn’t effect them in same way it effects all Americans job loss, social services, health care, schools.
The only people making out on illegal immigration are the elected officials that promote amnesty , Dream Act,ect and greedy business who seek a cheap labor force at the expense of the tax payers.
Being black their are more issues of substance in our community that need addressed than criminals who seek to gain citizenship by force (marching,protesting), other than doing it the legal way.
And i don’t wanna hear the crap about civil rights movement of 60’s , black people were citizens of this country for 300 plus years, seeking their rights as citizens.These criminals crossed into this country illegally from their own country , and they weren’t welcomed or citizens, therefore they have no rights I feel, deport them.

Memorial Dr.

April 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm

Gotta wonder how much the Catholic Church supports Archbishop Gregory’s outspoken position on this issue. Not only is he condoning lawbreaking, they also know that some members who are idealogically opposed to illegal immigration are going to walk. The trade off, as an earlier post noted, is that many of the illegals will flock to the Catholic Church. Years ago I said adios to my Protestant denomination when it too decided to get into the business of dictating social policy to the government.

Last Man Standing

April 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm

catt:

“And i don’t wanna hear the crap about civil rights movement of 60’s”

Actually, the civil rights movement began in the 1930’s, but the zenith for that movement was in the 1960’s. I doubt that any thinking person could say that it was not a righteous movement. You are absolutely correct with regard to the illegal immigrants. What they are doing as far as demonstrations and protests bears NO resemblance to the civil rights movement for the black Americans. To equate the two is to do a diservice to black Americans.

Dale

April 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm

After working many years in construction here in Atlanta the truth is illegals claim 8 dependents and pay almost nothing in taxes or just work for Cash. All their children are feed and supported by the American who does pay taxes. Obumer is not for the average American! Also these children only know how to kick a ball around and destroy all the green grass in every park. The Dream to go to college is a stupid joke because most of them have never studied much of anything except early Sex and KICKING that STUPID BALL every darn day

carpetbagger

April 23rd, 2011
8:55 pm

FYI – from CCC, paragraph 2241, “The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.”

So you can see for yourself that the Church is by no means one-sided in its teaching on this issue. To me, one of the key phrases here is “to the extent they are able”. I would submit to the good Archbishop and others that various jurisdictions in our country are no longer able to bear the financial burden associated with housing, feeding, incarcerating, and educating illegal immigrants and their families. To suggest that arguing in favor of HB 87 is merely “politically motivated rhetoric” ignores the realities faced by many states, counties, and municipalities. Mr. Galloway’s post seems to imply that there is something close to unanimity among the average Joe-Catholics-in-the-pew in opposition to HB 87. I simply don’t believe this is the case. (On a side note, I find it amusing and ironic when those on the Left, who routinely criticize pro-life Catholics, suddenly “don the mitre” and “rally around the crosier” when it comes to the issue of how to deal with illegal immigration.)

LMS – I don’t agree that it’s a “follow the money” issue. Since at least the 1970s, the USCCB, with the so-called “seamless garment” approach to social teaching advocated by the late Cardinal Bernardin, has leaned left on domestic policy. The huge scandal of the annual CCHD collection going to fund groups like ACORN is another example.

Rick, your comment “Well the Catholic church doesn’t have any right to make decisions for the US government and its citizens” is foolish. The Archbishop enjoys the same First Amendment right to free speech as you and I. Or perhaps you would prefer living somewhere like Pakistan or Communist China.

vuduchld

April 23rd, 2011
9:19 pm

@eatmotacos. Are you ready to go out in the fields, chicken coops and watermelon patches to get your hands dirty instead of tokin meth in your trailer everyday. If, not then stfu because bleary eyed, druggies like you don’t have a clue.

catt

April 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm

last man standing its obvious your not black , end of story.

Delaware Bob

April 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm

I guess ICE is doing the best job they can, but we have an estimated 20 million illegal alines in this country. I think Congerss should pass some kind of law that would make our police force ICE agents and go after the illegal aliens. When caught, fine the illegal aliens to pay for their being deported back to their own country where they belong. Why anyone would want illegal aliens in this country is far beyond me.

Illegal immigration is a cancer, it has to be eradicated not tolerated.

catt

April 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm

I apologizw last man standing , your right i’m not saying the illegal immigration movement and black movement were equal, i’m saying liberal;s have a tendency to group the movements together in their quest to bring attention to their movement.

Delaware Bob

April 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm

Oh, one nore thing. If this Wilton Gregory doesn’t like like this law to get rid of the illegal aliens, what would he suggest to get the illegal aliens out of this country. They are here ILLEGALLY, you know. Here’s an novel idea, why don’t this Wilton Gregory take these illegal aliens back to their own country where they belong. and go with them to help them find a good life their in their own country? How about that, Arch.?

GaPatriot

April 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm

Where was the Archbishop’s concern when my legal citizen husband, who never broke the law, lost his job when he got cancer? And also lost his health insurance – where was his outrage about supporting his family?

Where was the Archbishop’s concern when I lost my job after nearly acquiring vested pension rights and I also lost my health insurance with a diagnosis of MS? What about my situation as a legal citizen who has never broken the law?

We have always paid taxes and continue to do so despite serious problems. We have no other country to go to and demand our rights, while having to put up with criminal invaders and their exploiters – religious leaders whose moral compass is less than mine.

They should be ashamed to criticize the good taxpayers of Georgia, especially while enjoying tax free status in the space they occupy with their properties. We have blessed these illegals long enough with our jobs and treasure. Step up churches and support these people in Mexico or their other countries of origins. It would be a lot cheaper to keep them there and the church has an obligation to help them eliminate their corrupt officials. We have far too many citizens who need help and you as a group have failed us.

SuperGeorge

April 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm

I am very disappointed to see people like LAST MAN STANDING in this blog who can see most undocumented immigrants as a “siphoning off resources”.

They don’t contribute? Really ?
You can grow your own food? Think again , do the homework.
The next time you bite an apple, cut a head of lettuce or eat an avocado all grown in our country, think of who picked it for you.

You may be able to wipe your children butts but who is the day care provider?
Who is cleaning their schools?
Bagging your groceries?
Who where building your houses?
Look deeper.
Your not doing it all on your own.

OTHER MYTH: Illegal immigrants siphoned off billions upon billions of dollars annually in education costs.
There are millions of undocumented immigrants who come here to work, not to study. They did study in other countries…and as there are immigrants hard workers with low education there are immigrants overqualified in many areas.
May be their children are studying but is supposed people study to work and to pay taxes in the future. There is a dynamic process in this society and
YESSS there is a lot of race and bigotry in the immigration debate and the issue is in the middle of Dr. King historic rights movement.

People who think Hitler was right because he had laws to make sure the Jewish do not “brake the laws” have no idea how serious the problem is.

eatmotacos

April 23rd, 2011
11:56 pm

The Catholic Church maintains a how-to website, justiceforimmigrants.org, giving their “immigrant” donors pointers on how to effectively manipulate the news media, to insure that the donations keep flowing. Apparently, difiantly screaming demands and waving Mexican Flags aren’t part of the script.

Here are a few of the pointers from their website to look for at their next visually dramatic news event.

“If you are aiming for TV coverage in particular, and you should, try to have your news conference in a place that will provide dramatic visuals.”

“Never get upset or lose your temper with a reporter/moderator. You want the media on your side. Maintain a sense of humor. If the reporter/moderator is antagonistic, use your charm. Keep cool.”

“Stripes, checks, and whites are no good on TV. Men and women should where solid colors and dark business suits. Women should not wear dangling jewelry. Don’t fidget on camera.”

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AmericanShadow

April 24th, 2011
12:15 am

I would like to touch on two topics first is tax payers and second the
new generation of illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants are tax payers, There are three types of taxes that
Illegals put into the system: income tax, sales tax, and
property tax. Would this not be much simpler if we just had the fair tax?

1) Income tax: Illegal immigrants that work with a fake Social
Security number, their income is tax, the breakdown is the following
Federal withholding, social security, Medicare and GA withholding,
Which from this many don’t claim taxes on, and also these people are
not waiting to live off their social security for retirement.

2) Sales tax: I believe this is straight forward

3) Property tax: illegal immigrants that own a house pay property tax,
illegal immigrants that rent an apartment pay property tax

My second point is that there is a new generation of illegal
immigrants, those that have received a higher education and want to
help our country grown again, kids that have entered the country
illegally before they knew the wrong of breaking the law. These kids
are now grown adults looking to help our community. However these young adults
fall under the same rule like any other illegal, the only fact of this
generation is my own self, I graduated from GA school system and
graduated with a BS EE, I worked hard for my
education and currently working for a company that needs my skill set.
And no my skill set is not behind a fryer or picking oranges. In all
honesty I am not afraid I have an education and know how to speak two
languages, I am debt free, I have paid off my house, car, and have no
student loans, I would love to continue here in the states because this
is my home and become an entrepreneur. I consider my self an American
shadow. So my question to you my fellow Americans what’s the fix? Honestly this
answer takes a lot of thinking with out being stupid and applying common
sense.

Best regards, American Shadow

carpetbagger

April 24th, 2011
12:39 am

eatmotacos – this might sound like splitting hairs, but that website is maintained by the USCCB, not the Vatican. National bishops’ conferences, as a whole, have absolutely NO canonical authority in the Church. They are free to issue statements, set up websites, etc., but as a Catholic, I take what is in the Catechism, which I cited in an earlier post, as authoritative teaching on this subject.

luangtom

April 24th, 2011
2:38 am

One question that needs to be asked, “Why is the media and the church not demanding Mexico open its borders to their South for those from Central and South America? Those people wish to migrate to their North and achieve a better life. Yet, Mexico keeps tight rein on its borders. Why is this tolerated by the media and the church? Is Mexico not a nation of millions of Catholic Christians? Do they not feel for the plight of their neigbors to the South? Where is the equity in their stances?

UNaffiliated Voter

April 24th, 2011
6:13 am

…’whenever you bring out the RELIGIOUS RHETORIC, you bring out the WORST in everyone’ …
‘Bishop’ Gregory…

UNaffiliated Voter

April 24th, 2011
6:14 am

HOW do ILLEGALS get to own real property in America if they are ILLEGAL???

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

April 24th, 2011
7:33 am

If the Catholic Church paid taxes, the good Archbishop would be leading demonstrations to demand that the unpaid tax dollars on wages paid to illegals be recovered at all costs.

Just like a Democrat, he sure is free with other people’s money.

Buzz G

April 24th, 2011
7:34 am

I was just on my way to church when I read this. The $85 check I had written to my (Catholic) church has just been torn up. We are a nation of laws, Bishop Gregory. You don ‘t pick and choose which ones you will follow and which you don’t. As a people, we have a right to a country. And without borders, there can be no real country. And we intend to enforce those borders and punish those who would violate them. I was born catholic and remain so 63 years later. But I cannot tolerate a church with so little respect for our laws.

Last Man Standing

April 24th, 2011
7:54 am

catt:

” liberal;s have a tendency to group the movements together in their quest to bring attention to their movement.”

I think it goes deeper than that. I believe the reason they want to tie the movements together is to give legitimacy to the illegal aliens’ movement – and I don’t think that it will work for them.

Last Man Standing

April 24th, 2011
8:10 am

SuperGeorge:

There have been many who have posted here regarding the cost to American taxpayers for illegal aliens. Many of those posts have provided links to source information.

I, for one, will be happy to pay more for produce picked by American labor. I have never knowingly allowed the use of illegal aliens in any service that I ahve used, and that included the construction of my home. As I was present a good deal of the time my home was being constructed, I KNOW that none were used.

My children never went to a school that employed illegal aliens.

BTW, the term is ILLEGAL ALIEN, not “undocumented worker”. You can save your pc usage for someone who buys into that crap.

Road Scholar

April 24th, 2011
8:11 am

LMS:”…with the taxpayers footing the bill.” They pay taxes!

Also you state what sets GE apart from the illegals is that they don’t squander services. Now, exactly, how does GE pay for the impact and costs to the government and public for services and benefits for their owners, stockholders, workers etc. that other businesses pay? This is even worse…other than jobs, aren’t they costing government expenses that support their business?

chkrdr

April 24th, 2011
8:14 am

what part of the word “illegal” is so hard to understand..round them up and send them back!! let them come to the united states the legal way!!

GB

April 24th, 2011
8:27 am

The inconsistency in the Archbishop’s position is apparent to anyone who can read. If the nation has the right to secure its borders, then foreigners do not have the right to migrate here; if foreigners have the right to migrate, then the nation does not have the right to secure its borders.

southern11

April 24th, 2011
8:52 am

SuperGeorge
This ignorant racist people still think that illegals dont pay taxes like americans do but again that only shows how ignorant they are,they think about inmigrants like a lower class people, they look at them as people that dont know how to read, that cant speak english,but the reallity is different this people own houses,cars,and,no is not from taxpayers money is their money earned working hard all the time.
If you look at most of this comments you can see how racist people are, yes they all are against illegal people, but being so ignorant do anybody think they can tell the difference from an illegal and a LEGAL inmigrant by just looking at it on the streets? Of course not and then they just gonna treat everybody the same way like if they were illegals but thats us white america we oppressed the blacks before now are hispanics the main target whos next chinesse?

Tired of BS

April 24th, 2011
9:17 am

Southern 11@ 8:52 I’m calling BS on you. Illegals cross the border (a crime), they trespass on private property (a crime), they deface that property and in one case that we know of killed the property owner (again a crime) They continue on their path to find other illegals or family members who will help them secure housing and a job. The benefits given to illegals in the forms of welfare, food stamps, free medical care, free education….. the list goes on and on. The illegals know how to get these services because they pass the word along as new illegals come in. Many states in the past have had signs along travel routes letting illegals know who to get on the government roles.

The churches, farms and businesses who employ the illegals are themselves in many cases riding the government gravy train. It’s time to put an end to all of this BS.

southern11

April 24th, 2011
9:50 am

TIRED of bs
yes they are here illegal, some are criminals but you speak about this people in general like all of them are they same way, most of them crossing the border was the only bad thing they did and yet people like you treat them different I’ve been around a lot of inmigrants and I know most of them are here to make a better life for their family… Now you want to hear bs here it is: Manny states had signs along travel routes letting illegals know who to get on the government roles.
There is all kinds of criminals out there in all races hispanics,whites,blacks,asians,middle eastern, even worst people we gave visas to come here and end up blowing up planes and buildings and about the benefits not all inmigrants take them I know for a fact not just because I heard from other people like I said I’ve been around a lot of them

PaulC1958

April 24th, 2011
10:15 am

The archbishop is pursuing a personal agenda as he is out of touch with both his Pope and his congregants. Pope Benedict XVI says all countries have the right to regulate immigration flows and protect their borders, and immigrants must respect the laws and national identity of the countries to which they immigrate. The archbishop instead of following the pronouncements of his Pope, strongly supports massive violation of many US immigration laws by illegal immigrants. He is also out of touch with his congregants. A national poll of US clerics and their congregants showed the following.

When asked to choose between enforcement that would cause illegal immigrants to go home over time or a conditional pathway to citizenship, most members of religious communities choose enforcement.
• Catholics: 64 percent support enforcement to encourage illegals to go home; 23 percent support conditional legalization.
• Mainline Protestants: 64 percent support enforcement; 24 percent support conditional legalization.
• Born-Again Protestants: 76 percent support enforcement; 12 percent support conditional legalization.
• Jews: 43 percent support enforcement; 40 percent support conditional legalization.

In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.
• Catholics: 69 percent said immigration is too high; 4 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.
• Mainline Protestants: 72 percent said it is too high; 2 percent said too low; 11 percent just right.
• Born-Again Protestants: 78 percent said it is too high; 3 percent said too low; 9 percent just right.
Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

The archbishop knows these poll results very well so he, along with many other religious leaders and hispanic special interest groups like La Raza, have engaged in a massive propaganda campaign to label any and everyone opposed to massive immigration as a racists. He provides no rational reason why illegal immigrants should be immune to the rule of law or more importantly why illegal immigrants should have priority over American citizens and legal immigrant for the jobs every family needs to even begin to achieve the American dream. No, from his mouth comes what the archbishop is really concerned with is the increased church membership! “I’m disappointed because much of the rhetoric — and I think a lot of it is rhetoric — is politically motivated and not related to the actual living situations of those who are here as undocumented residents,” he said. “Whenever you get into political rhetoric, you sometimes bring out the worst in people. You appeal to their least noble quality….In any fight over immigration, the archbishop Gregory would also be defending his church’s astounding growth.