Signs of a Democratic backlash over unions in Wisconsin

This was just moved by the Associated Press, and might be worth thinking about as we move toward a federal shutdown:

Madison, Wis. — A Wisconsin Supreme Court election that turned into a referendum on Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s polarizing proposal restricting union rights remained too close to call Wednesday as a little known prosecutor tapped into voter unrest to mount a serious challenge to the incumbent tied to Walker.

Unofficial results showed challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg ahead by a scant 311 votes over incumbent Justice David Prosser, a former Republican speaker of the Assembly who served with Walker. The results were based on 99 percent of precincts reporting, with just five precincts outstanding.

A recount was nearly certain. Kloppenburg’s lead was 0.02 percent of the total votes cast.

Turnout shattered predictions. State officials had expected 20 percent in line with past elections, but Democrats’ efforts to make the election more about Walker and the union fight than the officially nonpartisan Supreme Court race helped push it to 33 percent.

In another race that became largely about Walker and his policies, Democrat Chris Abele defeated Republican state Rep. Jeff Stone to become Milwaukee County executive, the seat Walker held until he was elected governor in November.

Stone voted twice for Walker’s bill taking away nearly all of most state workers’ collective bargaining rights from, which put him on the defensive in the race. Abele won with 61 percent of the vote compared with 39 percent for Stone, based on unofficial results.

Kloppenburg’s supporters, including liberal outside interests that helped make the race the most expensive Supreme Court contest in Wisconsin history, worked to make the election about Walker’s anti-union law which is widely expected to be decided by the Supreme Court. It remains in limbo pending legal challenges.

The race appeared headed toward a recount, which couldn’t be requested until after the state receives the last county’s officially canvassed votes. The county reports are due by April 15 and the deadline to seek a recount would be April 20, although the request could be made sooner.

Kloppenburg, an assistant state attorney general, began her campaign with almost no name recognition and faced long odds against Prosser. The 12-year Supreme Court veteran emerged from a nonpartisan February primary with 55 percent of the vote, while Kloppenburg finished second out of four candidates with just 28 percent.

But opponents of the collective bargaining law redefined the Supreme Court race as a referendum on Walker and all Republicans, working to leverage the anger over the measure against Prosser. They branded him a Walker clone and held Kloppenburg up as the best hope for stopping the measure.

Prosser’s campaign didn’t immediately return a message early Wednesday. However, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported that he told supporters at his election-night party that there was “little doubt” there would be a recount.

When the numbers showed her behind, Kloppenburg told supporters she hadn’t given up.

“We’re still hopeful,” Kloppenburg said. “So thank you all and let’s all get a good night’s sleep and see what tomorrow brings.”

Walker has insisted the new law is necessary to help balance the state’s budget, but Democrats see it as a direct assault on unions, a key campaign supporter for the party.

Tens of thousands of people spent weeks protesting the measure at Wisconsin’s Capitol and Democrats in the Senate even fled the state to try to block a vote in that chamber. Walker eventually signed the bill anyway, but the measure is on hold as legal challenges wend their way through the courts. Sixteen state senators — eight Republicans and eight Democrats — face recall efforts over the proposal.

The measure’s opponents ultimately hope a Kloppenburg upset would tilt the Supreme Court’s ideological balance to the left and set the stage for the court to strike the law down. A legal challenge already is before the court, although the justices have not decided whether to consider it. They also want to show the Republican senators facing recalls that they’re next to go.

Prosser pushed back, disavowing his GOP connections. He accused pro-labor groups of hijacking the race and argued Kloppenburg was so closely tied to them she couldn’t ethically rule on the law.

Interest in what could have been an otherwise sleepy race skyrocketed.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice, a New York University program that tracks spending on judicial races, outside groups, including the Tea Party Express and national labor organizations, had poured a record $3.5 million into race through Monday.

Deborah MacFarland, 67, and her husband, Robert, 69, of Bayside, said the issue helped persuade them to vote for Kloppenburg.

“I can’t stand Walker. I can’t stand conservative Republicans. … I have had enough of it,” Deborah MacFarland said.

But Kelly Bodoh, 37, a self-described Libertarian from Sun Prairie, picked Prosser, saying she was upset that Democratic senators fled the state.

“The way the past couple of months have gone down in Madison made me very distrustful of that faction,” she said. “Emotions and disrespect ruled the response to the … bill.”

Walker has said he wouldn’t interpret the election results as either an endorsement or indictment of his policies.

Wisconsin law does not provide for automatic recounts. Instead, candidates have three days after official results are tallied to request one. They must provide a specific reason for such an effort to state election officials, such as a mistake in counting or some other irregularity.

– By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

For instant updates, follow me on Twitter, or connect with me on Facebook.

80 comments Add your comment

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
12:56 pm

Maybe a cluster of desperation…..public unions have got to go

Rick

April 6th, 2011
1:04 pm

Just working,

What do you have against the middle class? It is the strenghth on our country and it is dwindling.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
1:06 pm

Are they electing another “fair” collective bargaining agent………..trying to keep it “fixed” as usual, stick it to the unrepresented taxpayer

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
1:10 pm

You are darn right it’s dwindling…..helped by public union schemes…where do you think the tax revenues come from? I emphasize “public”, got it?

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
1:13 pm

I don’t see the difference in a public employees’ union and a private contractor delivering the same services.

Both work under contract, both have agreed-upon compensation (and possibly benefits) and you have to belong to one (either the union or the private contractor) if you want the government job.

Keith

April 6th, 2011
1:14 pm

This is fresh and the wounds are raw. It’s much easier to get people to turn out when they’re mad. In a few months the steam will be gone, so don’t try to read too much into this.

Steve Mulhern

April 6th, 2011
1:23 pm

Rick:
If you truly are for the middle class and knew what you were talking about, you’d realize that the funds taxed from ALL the classes go towards paying these outrageous benefit packages.

The Unions want to keep those outrageous benefits, and don’t want to tighten the belt to what ‘normal’ people (such as you and I) have to face. When you have a teacher who wins an award for teaching excellence but is let go less than a week later due to budget cuts (instead of letting the deadwood go)… when you have bus drivers being paid $55k base salary, $105k overtime salary… when you have prison guards calling in sick on first shift, but working second shift for overtime pay… when you can get 3 years of salary while only working 30 days out of the 1095 days… when 99% of your benefits, insurance, and perks are paid not by the employee, but by the taxpayers… it’s out of whack.

Now, I admit, people work hard. Some teachers pay for schoolbooks and assorted classroom paraphenalia out of pocket. But, there’s something seriously disturbing in that public union employees are enjoying 2½ times what the normal labor market would, and have job security based upon seniority (instead of job performance).

Perhaps if we cut back on what we seriously overspend on salaries and perks, then the schools would actually have the materials they need. “It’s all about the kids!” — say the 40% of teachers who called in sick, shutting down Madison’s school system for 3 days straight. Give me a break.

“Middle Class”, indeed. You can’t get those types of benefits anywhere else, EXCEPT in a government union job.

– S.

Steve Mulhern

April 6th, 2011
1:26 pm

@Joe:

Public employees take public money. Those that get elected aren’t spending their own money, so they’re free to agree to anything to get an agreement on the table.

Private unions have a situation where, if they’re asking too much from the company, there is honest negotiation between the company and the union. If they can’t work it out, the company either is forced to lay off those that were just hired (regardless of job performance), or close shop.

Is either case a good way to do business?

– S.

GaBlue

April 6th, 2011
1:31 pm

I wonder what the benefit packages of the bankers and financial advisors who mismanaged the state workers’ pension funds look like? The state workers took lower-paying public jobs, in part, because the lower pay came with benefits & pension. Consideration of the package was a factor in their decision to take the jobs teaching Wiconsin’s children, policing Wisconsin’s streets, and extinguishing Wisconsin’s fires in the first place. How exactly did THEY tank Wisconsin’s economy? Are they stashing their huge fortunes in foreign banks? If so, then shoot them all! If not, then perhaps it’s not the public workers’ “outrageous demands” that caused the budgetary shortfalls after all. Hmmm..

How do the people who handled the money and tanked the economy manage to escape blame and prosper while the teachers are vilified? Does the Georgia State MBA program have a class in that skill?

cs

April 6th, 2011
1:33 pm

yall unionbusters are some funny guys. If you get union jobs pay and benefits down to the level of po folks then they too wont be paying many taxes. Which will leave the rich to pay more anyways unless they into us looking like the middle east with cities on fire.

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
1:33 pm

Steve — “Public employees take public money. Those that get elected aren’t spending their own money, so they’re free to agree to anything to get an agreement on the table.”

Public employee or government contractor, it doesn’t matter. Both are taking government money. I fail to see the distinction here.

“Private unions have a situation where, if they’re asking too much from the company, there is honest negotiation between the company and the union. If they can’t work it out, the company either is forced to lay off those that were just hired (regardless of job performance), or close shop.”

If you work for a government contractor, how is it any different?

“Is either case a good way to do business?”

Again, I fail to see the distinction between the two.

td

April 6th, 2011
1:48 pm

Unions should not be allowed for public employees. Public workers should have civil service protections about being fired for political reasons. Unions should be allowed and should be encouraged in private sector. There is a stake for both labor and management in the private sector so it is either a win, win or lose, lose. The elected politicians have nothing at stake (besides their next election) to conserve the taxpayers money.

GaBlue

April 6th, 2011
1:50 pm

Jo Mama @ 1:33,

You mean like the way taxpayers fund the salaries of soldiers at $30K and also fund the salaries of KBR workers and Blackwater mercin.. I mean, employees via “goverment contracts” at $130K or more? Good point!

Are we, the taxpayers, still paying contractors in Iraq? Also, how much do the union guys who make F-22s (those $70/mil planes we’re NOT using in any of our wars) bring home? We’re paying their salaries too, right? I wonder why we’re not reading those numbers in the media alongside the “outrageous” money paid to school teachers? Who can shed some light on those mysteries?

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
1:56 pm

Well done, GaBlue. You picked up on my point.

I was a “government employee” once — I enlisted in the Army during President Reagan’s administration, and I sure didn’t make in the high five figures for *my* services.

Frankly, I think the people who are griping about government employees are looking in the wrong direction. If we’re going to crap about government employees like teachers, cops, firefighters and administrators supposedly making these fat pay and benefit packages, then I think it is well worth taking a good hard look at what we’re paying for things like Blackwater/Xe “security contractors” and Halliburton chow hall prep cooks. Quite frankly, I think you could hire several infantrymen for the price of one Ray-Ban wearing Blackwater guy.

gsueagle

April 6th, 2011
2:00 pm

public unions have no place in this society

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:02 pm

GaBlue………Unions elect those who approve/push the raises and benefits and on and on and on……..and take from the taxpayers. Just do away with the “public” unions.

Joe Mama…….What other “public” union is bidding for the work? Contractors are competing against other contractors for the contracts which goes to lowest qualified bid. Big difference. Are unions doing that?

broccoliobama

April 6th, 2011
2:06 pm

There is a difference. In the private sector, owners and unions are negotiating over PROFITS. Public unions are using TAX dollars.

A BIG, BIG difference.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:08 pm

GaBlue and Joe Mama………repeat after me……..no PUBLIC unions…..got it!

Wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:13 pm

The major difference I keep hearing between public unions and private unions, is the incompetence of the public owners, our elected officials. Elected officials worry only about gaining and maintaining power. That means getting elected and then re-elected. If the public employees will vote them in (ala the backlash against Barns swept in Perdue), the elected official needs to be careful before they turn their back on those unions. In the private sector, management is not beholding to labor for its jobs.

Great debate but does it apply to GA? Are we considering legalizing public unions or is this just a mental exercise?

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
2:13 pm

just wondering – “Joe Mama…….What other “public” union is bidding for the work?”

Are you aware of how many contracts in Iraq were cut without any sort of bidding at all? How do no-bid contracts with fat pay scales benefit the American public? How is that a wise use of our resources?

“Contractors are competing against other contractors for the contracts which goes to lowest qualified bid.”

In Iraq, that often did not happen. Quite often, a service provider was hand-picked and given the job with no competitive bidding process taking place at all. I suspect it happens in Afghanistan, too, and if we spend much time in Libya, it’ll probably happen there as well.

“Big difference.”

Explain to me how the supposed union screwage of the American public differs from the actual no-bid screwage of the American public I’ve described above. If you want everything to be subject to open, competitive bidding, then I’d like to see you say that it needs to happen *every time.* If, OTOH, you’re against public unions but you can give these sorts of no-bid hijinks a pass, then respectfully, I can’t agree with you.

“Are unions doing that?”

Unions? Heck, *our own government* isn’t doing it in Iraq. What now?

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
2:15 pm

just wondering ;; “GaBlue and Joe Mama”

Yes?

“………repeat after me…”

No.

“…..no PUBLIC unions…”

I respectfully disagree.

“..got it!”

No.

broccoliobama

April 6th, 2011
2:15 pm

Thugs and blowhards intimidating unscrupiously, then you have the really mean ones………..UNIONS ! !

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 6th, 2011
2:16 pm

So Joe mama says were throwing money away in one sector, lets throw it away in all areas of public life. Well , have no fear, Joemama.yo nanny state federal, state, and local democrats are doing just that.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:17 pm

and Joe Mama…..thank you for your non union public service…..we were in better shape then than now, don’t you think?

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:20 pm

Trisha, just what I was thinking too.

broccoliobama

April 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

Look for the union label, paying more than you should.

GaBlue

April 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

just wondering,

I was just wondering, in the context of this discussion, what it would be like if we doubled the salaries of, and the standards to become, public employees. Not saying we should or shouldn’t; just trying to imagine what it would be like to attract the most competent, committed people into these jobs instead of losing them to the private sector, and whether the added incentives would increase the commitment to excellence espoused by the worshippers of the Holy Free Market? Perhaps we’d need fewer government workers and administrators, as the ones we’d hire would be many times more efficient? Perhaps America’s students would rocket to the top instead of hovering at mediocrity or below. Hmmm… As my Congressman said the other day, “I think everything should be on the table.” It doesn’t hurt to imagine the possibilities.

I mean, unless you think the way we’re doing things NOW is working well. Do YOU think we’re getting the best bang for our tax buck now?

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:22 pm

OH and……WAR EAGLE!

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
2:22 pm

TDWE — ‘So Joe mama says were throwing money away in one sector, lets throw it away in all areas of public life.”

I neither said nor thought any such thing. You are misrepresenting what I posted, ma’am.

“Well , have no fear, Joemama.yo nanny state federal, state, and local democrats are doing just that.”

Madam, your Windows for Telepaths software has developed a General Political Fault. You’d better shut down and reboot.

just wondering — “and Joe Mama…..thank you for your non union public service…..we were in better shape then than now, don’t you think?”

We certainly were. President Reagan was engaging in all sorts of deficit spending to “prime the pump,” he repeatedly emphasized that deficit spending would help us to get the economy kick-started, and he was able to turn the economy around with tax rates higher than they are today. Furthermore, he was able to do all that even with public sector employees all unionized and everything.

So what’s the problem with today’s GOP? Why can’t they measure up to The Gipper?

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:37 pm

Ga Blue……not too much buck banging for taxpayers going on that I know of……..just for public unions.

DannyX

April 6th, 2011
2:38 pm

Lol at the GOP mandate.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
2:49 pm

JoeMama…….The problem with the GOP is they are too much like the Democrat Party. Maybe it is changing now……..maybe that’s why we are discussing One of many problems …..public unions soaking the taxpayers.

Barry

April 6th, 2011
2:57 pm

Hey Y’all:

Thank God for the Unions to divulge how “WACKIE” these Tea Partyers and Republicans have gone in not expressing the voice of the REAL PEOPLE. I am glad the REAL PEOPLE OF AMERICA are starting RISE UP, ORGANIZE, AND SHOW OUT in a REAL DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. We let the few shout loud for too long!!!!!!! NOw America is paying for it. Even with our government (CONGRESS) talking about shutting down with no compromise. They the Republicans did not do it with Bush in office. Quit playing politics with our lives Republicans and Tea Partyers. You guys are one and the same. A good mind game played on the public to get into office. You learned when your Moral Majority failed. Same Party. Same trick. But you results destry people lives.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
This is a SECRET from an AMERICAN. TELL EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

……………….”GO USA:FOR THE PEOPLE NOT THE FEW”………….

Just Wait

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

From reading these posts, it appears that almost everyone picked careers/businesses that paid poor wages and provided little or no benefits. Because of that, they believe that no one else should have them. Just as they believe that they should not have to take their trash to the dump, repair the broken sewer line, fight the fire or respond to the alarm call, unless it their alarm. IF the wages and benefits are out of line in a union contract, it is because of the bosses who agreed to it. In the case of public workers, it’s the people you elected. Don’t blame the unions for getting everything they can, blame YOUR elected representatives for giving it to them to begin with.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
3:13 pm

Hey Barry…….Nice try but it’s getting old now…….there is no more money to hand out…..it comes from working people and we are broke. I agree with you, GO USA for everybody….you included. I will let you speak and not shout you down. You need to take a hard look, they, GOP & Demos. large Corp., unions are all playing with all our lives through government and taxes. Keep shouting though, we don’t need to far back to sleep.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
3:21 pm

We do blame them…..they were elected with the help of public and private unions…..we fired a lot of them across the country last November……..The article is showing just how the public union scam works…….working on getting them replaced with those who will continue to represent them and not all the taxpayers. Scams too big now…..people are on to it.

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
3:26 pm

just wondering — “The problem with the GOP is they are too much like the Democrat Party. Maybe it is changing now……..maybe that’s why we are discussing One of many problems …..public unions soaking the taxpayers.”

Yeah, it couldn’t POSSIBLY be that those banks that took billions in taxpayer money and then paid bonuses to their executives contributed to the problem, could it?

Quite frankly, I don’t think some English teacher in Wisconsin is anywhere *near* the threat to our economy that someone like Ken Lewis (former head of Bank of America) has been. They took $45 billion of our money and then they hold my mom’s deposits up for NINE business days — probably so they can score some overdraft fees or put the money out to float for interest instead of putting it in my mom’s account where it belongs.

Yeah, that schoolteacher is sure screwing us all (eyeroll).

Oh Intown Writer...

April 6th, 2011
3:33 pm

From my personal experience as a past Federal contract worker, with friends in State government:
Fed workers get paid less than contractors
When the contract job runs over time and over budget, the folks who decided it was cheaper to outsource in the first place merrily pony up for the contract extentsion, because otherwise the contracting company walks with the job half done and the deliverable intentionally not delivered.
Meanwhile, if the outsourced work had been done in-house by on-staff gommit workers, it wouldn’t have had nearly the cost over-runs.
The outsource shuck-and-jive makes sense on paper at a fast gloss, but not when the entire process is fine-tooth-combed.
And for the contractors, can you say Haliburton? GE? hmmm
The State or Feds get soaked by contractors with friends in high places; it just doesn’t get called out in public b/c of libel threats
And like those poor city employees – if the govmt’l entity doesn’t pay into the retirement kitty (say, DeKalb Co schools), and it goes belly up, then they (teachers) are not eligible for social security and have no pension… The states, etc, made the intentional decision not to pay into social security b/c they were cheap; now the buzzards come home to roost and it’s somehow the employees’ fault…
Just b/c the auto unions and Teamsters were able to get the sweetest deal ever doesn’t mean the rest of the working population did…

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

Yeah Joe Mama you hit on another problem and I agree. “Too big to fail” has got to go also….but public unions are the topic at the moment….don’t get distracted or you will lose focus. Also you are just speculating and accusing about your mom’s deposit? Don’t assume.

Joe Mama……..why does it take so long and so much effort and money to fire a teacher that should be fired? That teacher just might be screwing the future of someone’s child. What price you put on that Joe Mama?

Engineer

April 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

@Rick: I’ve yet to meet a union worker (public or private) that lives less than upper middle class.

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
4:02 pm

just wondering — “Yeah Joe Mama you hit on another problem and I agree. “Too big to fail” has got to go also…”

Good. I’m glad you agree.

“but public unions are the topic at the moment…”

There is *nothing* urgent or immediate about public unions. Even Governor Walker in WI didn’t run on this as an issue. Whatever problems there are with public unions, nobody in power started complaining until early this year, and now it’s nothing but OHMIGOD WE GOTTA DESTROY ALL UNIONS TODAY OR WE’RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO EAT CATFOOD!!111!!eleventy!!1

“don’t get distracted or you will lose focus.”

My focus is just fine where it is.

“Also you are just speculating and accusing about your mom’s deposit? Don’t assume.”

Accusing. She’s got an out of state bank account to which interest income is deposited. She writes periodic checks on that account and deposits them to her BofA account here in GA; I am a joint accountholder with her. I’ve had that account here for 20 years and never bounced a check once. But whenever she deposits a check from her out-of-state account, at least since 2009, it gets held for as much as NINE business days.

It’s not an issue with the out-of-state bank; they debit her account almost instantly when we make the deposit here. It’s an issue with BofA. I’ve complained, but it does no good, and BofA ADMITS that they are doing it. The next time I see them do it, I’m moving her banking over to Delta Credit Union.

“Joe Mama……..why does it take so long and so much effort and money to fire a teacher that should be fired?”

Concrete examples, please.

“That teacher just might be screwing the future of someone’s child. What price you put on that Joe Mama?”

When you give me some concrete examples instead of skylarking and supposition, then I can give you a straight answer, just wondering.

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

engineer — “I’ve yet to meet a union worker (public or private) that lives less than upper middle class.”

I’ve got three relatives up north who are union employees; one aunt and uncle, and their daughter, who is about my age. Two were private (CWA) and one was public (USPS). None of them are wealthy; in fact, my aunt and uncle still live in the same house they bought when they were starting out around 1960.

My grandfathers were both coal-mining UMWA men, and I can guarantee you they didn’t get wealthy, either in their working years or in retirement.

I think it is pretty funny how any discussion of increasing taxes on the wealthy gets derided by conservatives as ‘class envy,’ yet it’s perfectly okay to hate on working men and working women with union jobs, ostensibly because they’re getting incredible pay and benefits.

In my experience, the ‘wealthy union people’ claim just isn’t true

But if it were, wouldn’t it be ‘class envy?’

Oh, that’s right. It’s only class envy when Democrats do it. It’s ‘righteous indignation’ or some such when Republicans do it.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
4:25 pm

See Joe Mama……..you can move your banking business….good, free country. They screwed with you and you went to another business. Hope they straighten up or they should fail. If it is illegal put them in jail.

You need specific examples? Why? Don’t think that it is difficult to fire a teacher, especially a public union teacher? I think you know the answer. Come on now Joe Mama. Unions don’t belong in the public sector.

Last Man Standing

April 6th, 2011
4:33 pm

broccoliobama

“Look for the union label, paying more than you should.”

Look for the union label, paying more than you are able!

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
4:36 pm

just wondering — “You need specific examples? Why?”

Because I learned a long time ago not to automatically trust things that nameless people claim on the internet. ;)

If you want me to buy into your notion and give you a straight, honest answer, then I need for you to establish that what you *claim* is happening *is* in fact what is actually happening.

“Don’t think that it is difficult to fire a teacher, especially a public union teacher?”

Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t. Show me, please. With some links.

“I think you know the answer.”

Then if it is as obvious as you seem to think, then you should have no problem demonstrating it to me. Concrete examples, please.

“Come on now Joe Mama. Unions don’t belong in the public sector.”

If you’re asking me to just agree with you, then I must respectfully decline. If, however, you would like to persuade me with some concrete examples that I can examine for myself, then perhaps you will be successful. Why not give it a try? :)

Randolph Philllips

April 6th, 2011
4:40 pm

Georgians who get upset with the actions of Governor Walker in Wisconsin should know that Georgia does not have public employee unions. There was once a Georgia State Employees Association, but after his 1994 re-elction, Governor Zell Miller–a darling of organized labor who won with huge unton support–disbanded the association. I know, I was a state employee at the time.

These two elections should reassure every Republican and Independent that the Democrats are well financed, organized, and determined to take control fo this country in 2012, no matter what. And the Democrats have the media as allies, as they did in 2006, 2008, and 2010.

Finally, there is going to be a recount. If Wisconsin’s Secretary of State is one of those elected since 2002 as part of the George Soros “Secretary of State” project, the democrat will win the recount, no matter how many recounts it takes, how many Republican ballots thrown out, democratic ballots thrown in, nor illegible ballots divined to be valid democratic votes.

Only we, the voters, can take back our country from the radical socialists in control.

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
4:46 pm

Joe Mama Joe Mama….you only want to tax certain people……not everybody….yeah yeah yeah. Some have enough some don’t. Some are wealthy some are not. Nobody’s hating on nobody here. Come on now ,where did that come from? Define wealthy. You do seem envious. Just saying

just wondering

April 6th, 2011
4:52 pm

Joe Mama

April 6th, 2011
4:59 pm

just wondering — “Joe Mama Joe Mama….you only want to tax certain people……not everybody….yeah yeah yeah.’

There certainly seem to be a lot of telepaths on this message board. :D

I’ll bite, just wondering. Whom do I want to tax? And whom do I want to not tax? Please tell me. (”Jeopardy” music playing in background)

“Some have enough some don’t. Some are wealthy some are not. Nobody’s hating on nobody here.”

I respectfully disagree. Quite a few people on this thread and others and shrieking about how much money public union members are supposedly making unfairly. I don’t think most of those union members make anywhere near what those people think, and if we’re going to get all upset about people who make a lot of money without doing any good, then why aren’t we getting upset at people like Ken Lewis?

“Come on now ,where did that come from?”

As I said, I think an English teacher in Wisconsin is a lot less threat to us than some numbskull like Ken Lewis, who gets his bank all screwed up and then has to take a $45 billion bailout to get it back on track, but STILL nickels and dimes the little guy on fees. I don’t know you from Adam, but I bet you don’t like paying a passel of bank fees any more than I do.

“Define wealthy.”

If you think that public union members make too much money, then perhaps *you* should define “wealthy.” Please, go right ahead.

“You do seem envious.”

I’m doing just fine. Maybe it’s the people who think that unionized teachers make too much money that are the envious ones.