America’s next date with Terry Jones: Good Friday

If life were fair, the Rev. Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla. – and one uses the honorific very, very loosely – would be allowed to go play with his matches in obscurity, and we would simply ignore him.

But life is not fair. And as long as Afghanistan has the Internet, we can’t ignore him.

Fresh off the weekend slaughter in Afghanistan, officials in Dearborn, Mich., today are struggling with whether or not to issue the Koran-burning pastor of Dove World Outreach Center a permit to hold a demonstration in front of an Islamic center in their community on April 22. Which is Good Friday.

From the Dearborn Press & Guide:

“The important thing to note is that we have not issued an approval on anyone’s permit yet and that may or may not occur,” Police Chief Ronald Haddad said.

In deciding whether to issue the permit or not, Haddad must consider several criteria as outlined in the city charter: Will it prevent the orderly flow of traffic? Will it require so many police officers on hand that it would take away from the regular patrol cars out on the streets? Will it hinder any emergency services?

And, perhaps most importantly, will the protest likely cause injury to persons or property, provoke disorderly conduct or a disturbance?

If there is any bright spot in this twisted affair, it’s the fact that we have found common ground between President Barack Obama and even the strongest conservatives. They could be reading from the same talking points.

From Obama on Saturday:

“The desecration of any holy text, including the Koran, is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry. However, to attack and kill innocent people in response is outrageous, and an affront to human decency and dignity. No religion tolerates the slaughter and beheading of innocent people, and there is no justification for such a dishonorable and deplorable act.”

This week, I asked Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, for his reaction. Here’s Land’s response:

“Along with all Southern Baptists, I condemn the burning of any religious book. That is not the mark of a good neighbor, a good citizen or a civilized human being. I also condemn the riots and the killings of human beings in supposed retaliation for the burning of the Koran. This is also heinous behavior and is not in any way, shape or form justified by the burning of the Koran. In civilized society, one does not kill people for disrespecting or destroying the symbols or instruments of one’s faith.

“We will continue to condemn the burning of religious books and we will continue to condemn killing human beings in response to such despicable behavior. Both are barbaric and uncivilized, and the Muslim community can rest assured that we will continue to condemn a radical fringe that would burn Korans, and we expect them to join us in condemning their co-religionists’ killing human beings and using the burning of a Koran as the pretext for such murder.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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88 comments Add your comment

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
5:27 pm

So Galloway puts the blame on the murders and riots on Terry Jones, not the people rioting and murdering. How typically leftist. Would you cower and stop other activity if the mohamedons demanded that too, or else they riot? To hell with islam. This far and no farther.

Jay

April 5th, 2011
5:45 pm

@TrishaDishaWarEagle – there is a direct correlation between Jones’s Koran burning and the rioting. It’s not rocket science.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
5:46 pm

No there isn’t. if i demand you paint your house pink, or else I’m going to kill someone, and you don;t paint it pink and I kill someone, you are not at fault.

Jay

April 5th, 2011
5:46 pm

Oh, and by your last two sentences in your comment, you appear to be as intolerant and biggotted as Jones…

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
5:46 pm

How much are you willing to grovel and be demanded of by the muslim horde before you stand up and say to hell with it, you do what you gotta do, and I will do what i am going to do.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
5:47 pm

Yes I am intolerant of misogyny and backward sub-modern cultures religions and peoples.

Jay

April 5th, 2011
5:49 pm

If Atheists threatened to burn Bibles, there is no doubt that there would be violence even in this country. Killing innocent people isn’t right and indeed evil, but burning a religious book is pretty bad as well.

Michael

April 5th, 2011
5:57 pm

Rendition Jones to Kabul with some gasoline, matches and a stack of Korans.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
5:59 pm

Atheists do burn bibles, leftists do burn US flags(obamas pal Ayers for one)..nobody riots. The koran means nothing to me. It’s filth. I am not bound to respect other peoples feelings about their comic book. Never have, never will. The murders of the UN staff, and countless thousands over such things as the dutch cartoon riots, the killing of Theo Van Gogh, are solely on Islam. Nobody else.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
6:00 pm

The upside is that the actual muslim death toll (tramplings, accidental shootings, setting their dirty robes on fire accidently) has now exceeded 40 in the rioting :)

ralph

April 5th, 2011
6:06 pm

Trisha, you are one sick individual,

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
6:10 pm

yes, me and the guy burning the koran are so evil..and the people murdering and rioting are so very gentle and just misunderstood. Liberal logic on display.

Jay

April 5th, 2011
6:13 pm

That’s the issue…no one is saying they are gentle or misunderstood…we are just saying that people like Jones aren’t any better. Again, not rocket science.

Bobby

April 5th, 2011
6:15 pm

While I think Jones’ actions are stupid, I’ll agree with Trisha he has the right to burn the Quran just as anyone in this country has the right to burn any other book. The people responsible for the murders after the burning of the Quran are the Muslims who participated in the murders, not Jones or his followers. Bibles are burned by various people protesting issues from time to time. But we don’t see Christians retaliating by murdering others. Murder goes against God/Allah.

Doc

April 5th, 2011
6:19 pm

Oh Bobby, except for when the Christian Serbians slaughtered their Muslim Bosnian countrymen over things including alleged bible burning.

TrishaIsALeftoverDisha really needs some xanax. Free speech comes with the caveat that you can be criticized for your actions too.

Just Wait

April 5th, 2011
6:19 pm

It is certainly apparent that TrishaDisha believes it is her way or the highway, damn all to hell who disagree with her beliefs. She’s probably a tea partier too.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2011
6:24 pm

We should take up a collection for TrishaDisha and buy her a ticket to Kabul, if she feels so strongly about this, she can burn a koran there. I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is, how ’bout you, Trish?

td

April 5th, 2011
6:29 pm

Jay

April 5th, 2011
5:45 pm
@TrishaDishaWarEagle – there is a direct correlation between Jones’s Koran burning and the rioting. It’s not rocket science

So as a result of their bad behavior, we should now not be allowed to exercise our right to free expression in this country? I did not like all the leftest burning the American flag to protest the war but I sure as H3ll would not demand that they give up the freedom to do it. Matter of fact I would be on here demanding that they be granted the right to do so.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
6:32 pm

Aquagirl, If i go to kabul, I’ll be burning something a little more gratifying than a koran.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
6:35 pm

td, yes, apparently, the left are paralyzed if someone makes a demand of them and attaches the threat of violence.

Hey lets try it..I demand the left cut the budget by $600 billion or I will burn a koran, which will cause death and rioting in the muslim world. Now, if you don;t cut the budget $600 billion, you will be causing death and rioting.

We're Broke

April 5th, 2011
6:36 pm

I think Terry Jones is a nut and a creation of our media – not unlike so many copy cat school shooters. Jones’ nutiness is matched only by the lunacy of our country for borrowing money from the Chinese and other suckers to try to set up a decent government in Afghanistan. Their Vice President (Karzi’s brother) spends most of his time at his villa in Dubai, where he was caught entering with $5m of our US cash dollars. Folks, we are completely flat broke and we are crazy for letting our defense contractors manipulate us into believing Afghanistan is anything other than a senseless money pit. We are crazy (and broke!).

ralph

April 5th, 2011
6:43 pm

Doc, I agree how about these Christians killing each other. Plenty of Christians died in Northern Ireland and UK during those trouble years, Protestant and IRA Catholic militia groups blowing each other up, killing, living in segregated neighborhoods. All religons are founded with violence. McVeigh was a Christian, blew up OK Federal Building, Eric Rudolph, you can go on and on. Simply put, this world would be better off without any religion.

fearisouronlyg0d

April 5th, 2011
6:45 pm

TrishaDishaWarEagle: I think you misunderstood Ralph. He never said that the people “murdering and rioting” are evil people. He didn’t even say that you were evil. He said you’re a sick individual.

Actually, let me just copy and paste what he put, just so we’re all clear here:

“Trisha, you are one sick individual,”

See that? No mention of anyone rioting and murdering. No mention of anyone being evil. No mention of a Koran, or some guy who burned one.

Everything else you added yourself. Those are your words. No one but you said that.

Just you, Trisha. Just you.

…Is that non-liberal logic on display? Just putting words into other people’s mouths for them, and then crying that you’re the victim? Woe is you.

Oh, you’re so misunderstood… Poor kitten.

Jay

April 5th, 2011
6:47 pm

TD, no one is saying to ban any kind of burning. I’m saying it’s not right. Again, both parties are in the wrong here. The issue is we tend to automatically place Muslims into one bucket without acknowledging that its only a crazy few. As Doc mentioned above, Christians have killed for religious purposes either, you don’t hear people talking about how Christians are “sub-modern” and “violent.”

It’s about common sense and putting our “Christian principles” (which include stuff like empathy, understanding, and respect) into action.

The Centrist

April 5th, 2011
6:47 pm

Would someone send a credible link documenting any series of Muslim bible burnings in th 21st century. We will never know how much Terry Jones’ theatre has cost taxpayers due to increased intel, added protection for our troops and citizens oveseas, and diplomatic discussions. Killing for any reason other than protection cannot be justified…Period. The flag burnings in the 1970s in protest of and to expose the truth about the horrors of the Vietnam Conflict is another discussion.

Jay

April 5th, 2011
6:48 pm

*either = also

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
6:49 pm

@fear..it was said in context of the discussion..which anyone with a brain realizes the implication. I also never whine or cry about being a victim, because I refuse to be a victim. This kitten has claws.

td

April 5th, 2011
6:52 pm

Jay

April 5th, 2011
6:47 pm

” you don’t hear people talking about how Christians are “sub-modern” and “violent.” ”

I guess you do not read these blogs very often? I have been called ten times worse with my opposition to Sunday sales.

Frank S

April 5th, 2011
6:53 pm

If Terry Jones feels so strongly about burning the Koran and putting Mohammed on trial, why does he not go to Afghanistan, or any other Muslim country, and do it there? I’m sure that if God thinks he is doing the right thing, he will protect him?
Although I agree that the Afghanis caused the deaths, Jones was the spark that set it off, and he did it deliberately for publicity.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2011
6:58 pm

Trishadisha, I don’t care what you propose to burn in Kabul, as long as you leave the “if” in front of “willing,” you’re just a chickenhawk with Walter Mitty fantasies. People braver than you will take the bullet.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
7:00 pm

@centrist

Item: Australia : Muslim Students Urinate, Spit On Then Burn Bible

Item: Muslims burn Bible in Pakistan
Near Faisalabad, Muslim extremists desecrated the church of St. Paul in a village about 30 kilometers from Faisalabad: on December 17, suspects burned a bible and other sacred texts, leaving a letter threatening Christians that they will “burn in the fire of hell” if they do not convert to Islam.

Item: Saudi government desecrates and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates worshiping privately.
“As a matter of official policy, the government either incinerates or dumps Bibles, crosses and other Christian paraphernalia,”
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/22229

need I go on ad-infinitum?

Uh oh, does this mean the worlds 2 billion Christians are gonna start rioting in the streets and calling for the blood of Muslims to be spilled? Hmmm probably not, but I’m sure the MSM will report this at and make it front page headlines for a month just like the Koran desecrations :

td

April 5th, 2011
7:01 pm

Frank S

April 5th, 2011
6:53 pm

“Jones was the spark that set it off, and he did it deliberately for publicity.”

And although I do not agree with what he did, he has every right in this nation to do it. These freedoms are the real reason the jihadist HATE America. If you do not think they are doing everything in their power and influence to ruin this country then my friend are living in a fantasy world. They do not care and they are either going to kill us all or we kill them all. There is no room to compromise and come to a middle ground with them.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
7:04 pm

Aquagirl, no afghan’s life holds any value to me. Not the Kids, not the women, and damn sure not the Men. I don’t care about their wants, their needs, or their demands. That is pretty much true for all muslims anywhere. And no, I’m not christian so you can drop the “how christian of you” BS. You can call me anything you wish, because I’ll just add you to the list of people I consider background noise in life. I do not alter my rights on the demands, wants, or needs of others, especially when they rever a pedophile named mohammed. (9 year olds, dude..Big lebowski)

Tom

April 5th, 2011
7:07 pm

Crowded theatre. “Fire!” This is the crux of the issue.

Nobody is questioning anyone’s right to free speech or assembly. The issue here is….given the facts as they are or were known, would a reasonable man reach the conclusion that the actions Terry Jones took were contributory to the deaths or injuries of the victims in Afghanistan and that he was fully aware of that risk?

If I see a hornet’s nest on the branch of a tree near a child’s birthday party picnic, I…as a reasonable man…can safely assume that if I throw a rock at the nest I would be placing those children in imminent peril of being stung (or worse). I know it is in the nature of hornets to sting when provoked, and that the nearby children are the likely target of the hornets if that provocation occurs.

The difference in that hornets are insects acting on instinct and the Islamic murderers are acting consciously and criminally is moot. The risk was known and ignored.

And by the way, I;m ~50 years old and have been voting GOP virtually my entire of-voting-age life, so I am hardly ‘liberal’ by any stretch of the imagination….far from it.

I simply have common sense.

Aquagirl

April 5th, 2011
7:12 pm

And TrishaDisha, you feel so strongly about the dangerous sub-human muslims threatening humanity you’re gonna….rant anonymously on a blog.

Oh, and vote for whatever politician manipulates you, because you’re too cowardly to actually do anything yourself. Like the lazy Hope ‘n Change Obama voters, you want someone else to do the work.

Tom

April 5th, 2011
7:20 pm

Aq, I’ve seen enough of Trisha on the blogs long enough to know he/she is a persona fabricated to instigate reactions.

Nobody is really that f’n stupid.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
7:22 pm

Aquagirl, I am content to let the afghans rant and slaughter each other, same as the libyans..the best outcome there is a high death toll on both sides of the civil war. I would like our troops out of afghanistan, but I will not have my rights held hostage by muslim demands while our troops are overseas, either.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
7:23 pm

Put up a poll on the AJC if you have the guts to accept the outcome..who’s at fault..Terry Jones..Rioting Muslims.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
7:30 pm

Good news unreported in the original post..

In the event the permit is denied, Jones and Order of the Dragon members would be allowed to demonstrate without a permit at City Hall or on the grounds of the Ford Community and Performing Arts Center, both considered permit-exempt locations for demonstrations.

Sounds like it’s a go for April 22!

khc

April 5th, 2011
7:30 pm

“Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!” George Carlin

Flash

April 5th, 2011
7:34 pm

@TrishaDishaWarEagle, seek help. Research has proven that people with so much hatred and malice in their hearts die earlier and much more unhappy than balanced people. There are people that can help you with you condition. As for your inability to see reality, you are pretty much on your own with that one. I hope you find some peace somewhere in your soul.

Ramguy

April 5th, 2011
7:54 pm

@Aquagirl 6:58 pm you’re just a chickenhawk with Walter Mitty fantasies

You might want to dumb that down a bit. I doubt she knows who Thurber was. She seems to me more like a Glen Beck reader. These people who spout hate all the time are the same ones that you see in restaurants yelling at some innocent waitress because she knows they aren’t allowed to fight back.

Unreal

April 5th, 2011
7:58 pm

Yes, he does have the right to burn a Koran.

You also have the right to stab yourself with a pair of scissors – does that mean you’re going to do it? Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.

I don’t think there’s any real argument whether or not he had the right to do it. There’s plenty of argument on whether or not its the right thing to do.

And TrishaDishaWarEagle – saying that another person, another life doesn’t matter. That’s the definition of a sociopath. Unreal.

Tom – Well said.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
8:19 pm

It’s called ASPD now. Unreal.

rooster

April 5th, 2011
8:20 pm

Trish, hon, the point is that Muslim nations are full of bug-eyed, spitting-mad fanatics, and our country isn’t. What a Terry Jones accomplishes is to provide, for those looking for one, a pretext for attributing fanaticism to the U.S. People tried to tell Mr. Jones that some of these countries have hundreds of thousands of people as crazy as he is, and that he was liable to create a situation in which violence would take place. He was encouraged to demonstrate that he was bigger than Muslim lunatics. Alas, he was determined to prove that he is every bit as small, intellectually and morally, as they.
Too bad we can’t get together a foursome of Terry Jones, Fred Phelps, Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakhan, and send their sorry asses on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
8:29 pm

rooster, sweety, The real point is, we have no duty to watch what we do or say based upon what bug-eyed, spitting-mad fanatics may do , nor do I really care how muslims see me or this country. If I did, I wouldn’t say to hell with islam or call their prophet the pedophile mohammed.

Democrats Love TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
8:32 pm

Wow, you’re the best recruiting tool for Democrats ever!!!! You go TrishaDishaWarEagle! Your extreme views are a real winner (be a little more hateful next time…thats right…you cant!)

Democrats Love TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 5th, 2011
8:33 pm

I bet you stock pile ammo and 7 days of canned food in your bunker…just in case

td

April 5th, 2011
8:37 pm

It would be very easy to stop all of these Jihadist. Announce to the world that the next terrorist attempt made will result in a 24 hour notice then we hit Medina with a in air radiation bomb that will make that city unlivable for 1000 years. If we have to take care of Medina then the next announcement is for Mecca.