Senate committee passes out House immigration bill

We weren’t there, but we’re told that the Senate Judiciary Committee today passed out HB 87, the immigration bill sponsored by state Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City.

The vote was 5-4, and included state Sen. Jeff Mullis, R-Chickamauga, who was brought as an ex officio member to assure passage.

A very, very quick look indicates they kept many of the bill’s features, but pulled the penalties on businesses that fail to use the E-Verify database to screen out hires who aren’t legal residents.

Check out the changes for yourself here. Please feel free to add any observations below.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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24 comments Add your comment

Jon

March 30th, 2011
6:07 pm

So they passed it after stripping it down?

Par for the course, I guess.

Ric

March 30th, 2011
6:16 pm

Typical. If this bill is as great as the supporters claim, why aren’t they being more transparent? No announcements, no media present.
Why is there STILL no fiscal note? Matt Ramsey and Jack Murphy say their bills will save Georgia money. If that’s the case, why aren’t they begging for a fiscal note?
Sort of reminds me of the way Obamacare was rammed through.

Brittanicus

March 30th, 2011
6:39 pm

For decades now the American taxpayers have been supporting illegal aliens without their knowledge or prior permission. Including this immigration invasion are six stealth amnesties. Its well documented that Billions of dollars have been swallowed up in welfare, while at least 45 billion dollars leave this country in wire transfers. It blatantly obvious that neither the Liberal-Democrats or the Republican intend to stop this parody of our laws. For the Lib-Democrats its more votes, for Republicans its discount labor. The TEA PARTY is the only true remedy to halt the illegal alien occupation, and would strengthen our laws. Underneath this camouflage of both parties is a kind of shadow government. In a ominous dark corner is the billionaire George Soros and his far Leftist-Socialist-Marxist agenda, competing with the Republican who are the pawns of their benefactors the mega corporations.. The membership of the TEA PARTY is YOU–the ordinary people, comprising of the dissatisfied, American people. Both parties are to blame for this deadlock and the failure to enforce the laws because of the extreme special interest lobbyists.Every immigration tool such as E-Verify, Secure Communities and 287 (g) police laws must be permanent, with painful fines, lose of assets and prison for business owners. In Arizona the new model of policing laws has sent thousands hurriedly leaving the State. I proves that their restriction policies are working. Other States had better get their own legislators to action, or they will be swamped with economic illegal workers and families?

You have seen the power of TEA PARTY, as currently the new politicians refuse to bow down to the Sen. Harry Reid’s or majority speaker John Boehner who are willing to compromise over cutting $10 billion dollars from the US deficit. The Tea Party will not sanction this controversy issue and will stand their ground, in the same old “Business as Usual” diatribe, even if the the US Government has to close down. Republicans have been infiltrated by honest, sincere party members, including lawmakers who have deserted the old party corruption and greed. Currently The TEA PARTY is becoming a giant engine, as millions of delusional Americans are joining the membership. The Tea PARTY believes in Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government,a Free Fair Market and a Strong National Security That requires each administration honor their oath of allegiance, to protect and defend America from enemies domestic and foreign. This is an ultimatum of the TEA PARTY to Secure tight our border, employ 5000 military personal fully armed and to halt the bleeding of our countries financial welfare resources by illegal aliens. None of these policies are being enforced, as billions of dollars are still being consumed by the education, medical care for foreigners who have illegally residing here. Join the party that will halt every parody of the “Rule of Law” that consumes the United States entitlement programs. Exceptional skilled people can always immigrate here, but we have millions of our own poor, the lowest of income, that need jobs and THE TEA PARTY demands it doesn’t go to foreign nationals.

Somebody should ask the question of who did the work in Utah, Texas, Arizona, Illinois or New York or any other location, before the invasion? Who picked potatoes ? My grandfather. Who dug trenches or who was employed landscaping. My uncle. Who laid new roofing down or put up drywall. Two of my cousins. Who worked in the 60’s in a restaurant or made beds in a motel that belonged to my other Uncle. My ex-wife. Who run around in McDonald in the early 70’s, while at college. ME! I flipped burgers.

ATTN: NumbersUSA member has first-hand experience with H1B visa fraud. The member, who wishes to remain anonymous, used to work for both Oracle and Hewlett-Packard and was an integral part of the companies’ abuses of the H-1B visa program.Read about it.

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Last Man Standing

March 30th, 2011
6:39 pm

“but pulled the penalties on businesses that fail to use the E-Verify database to screen out hires who aren’t legal residents.”

Why even pass the bill? They have gutted it to the point of being useless.

Shar

March 30th, 2011
6:44 pm

If the penalties against businesses hiring undocumented workers are removed, only the workers themselves will bear the consequences. That is the current system, and it doesn’t deter would-be employees from coming. Employers must be forced to stop hiring cheap labor and pay legal rates to legal employees, and the only force they will respond to is financial. This bill is a useless piece of mean-spirited flag-waving without the business element, and should be defeated until “our” representatives get pushed hard enough to stand up to their corporate funders who are quite happy to live off the taxpayer while giving themselves big bonuses.

Not again

March 30th, 2011
6:56 pm

The Indiana prolific poster, Brit-toon-icus, (no matter how he spells it) acidifies Tea while spewing misinformation coast-to-coast, once again visits Georgia.

Just Wait

March 30th, 2011
6:56 pm

Sorry Britainicus, but I am not the tea party. I will not let myself be brainwashed by any group or political party who thinks their point of view is correct and everyone else is wrong. The only advantage the tea party has right now is the loudest voice. I’ve already stopped listening.

Regarding the immigration bill, by removing the penalties for employers who hire illegals, they are perpetuating the problem. They come here for the jobs and stay for the benefits. Stop the jobs, stop the flood.

Kimberly

March 30th, 2011
7:31 pm

Everyone here understands that E-Verify is a “Pilot Program” has never been fully funded or tested on a wide scale. One harvest season in south GA will crash the system and no one will get “verified”. It’s also highly suspect and has placed hundreds of people in a “no match status” for clerical errors.

E-Verify isn’t the answer folks.

No surprise they stripped that out when agro biz went nuts.

This bill is a pitiful waste of time and fixes nothing.. but hey a whole bunch of folks can say the voted against it..

Idiots.

HL

March 30th, 2011
7:42 pm

So in other words, there is no immigration reform. The next few years will be spent following college students who were brought here by their parents at a young age..
Why don’t they put a sign up at the borders saying GA is hiring.

Mr. KnowitAll

March 30th, 2011
7:54 pm

If these RINOs gutted HB 87, they should know they will be singled out and targeted for “primaries” in the next election.

The electorate voted and overwhelmingly supported HB87. Woe be to the slimy RINO that diluted this bill.

Sen. Jack Murphy–you are outta here!

HL

March 30th, 2011
7:56 pm

Will the GA legislature now get to work creating jobs for real Georgians? Our State unemployment rate is disgusting. It’s time to stop blaming everything on the Federal Government when Georgia’s unemployment rate consistently ranks higher than the national average.

Just Wait

March 30th, 2011
8:05 pm

When did the “electorate” get a chance to vote on HB 87?

Youdontknow

March 30th, 2011
8:25 pm

Mr. KnowitAll – clearly you don’t live up to your name. Murphy presented his own bill, SB40. He is not on the Judy committee, so he didn’t bring the substitute.

I don’t know it all, but I’d bet this goes to a conference committee and the House and Senate will work the language out. I think they are going through the motions at this point.

eatmotacos

March 30th, 2011
8:40 pm

Politicians are no better than common criminals – they routinely betray the public trust by committing the equivelant of theft by deception. Unlike criminals, they aren’t held accountable for their actions – they face no deterrents – on the contrary, they are rewarded.

The candidates promised the people to pass substantive legislation to address this issue. The people believed them – they lied. Employers of “immigrant labor” were major contributors to the campaigns of the candidates who were the most vocal opponents of illegal immigration.

This is not conjecture – it is easily verifiable at the ga.ethics.gov web site. For example, search the major monetary contributors to “Arizona Style” Deal’s campaign, and you will find some of the largest employers of “immigrant labor” in the state, e.g. Mohawk Carpets, and Fieldale Farms. You don’t have to belong to Mensa to connect the dots.

Annie Jo

March 30th, 2011
11:42 pm

Gee, why all the anger at the crooks, you Georgians voted for? We up here in the North, saw the videos of Thousands of arrogant illegals making their demands on Georgia’s capital steps. We have heard their arrogant demands. Saw your Traitor John Lewis leading the Illegals on, against the American people. One question. Where were all of you? You let this Illegal insult take place. Why weren’t you out there getting in the faces of the Capital police, that were assisting these Illegals in their crimes? They were protecting them. You allow yourselves to be victims. The police tell you, an American to obey the law, but aid and abet thousands of Illegals to break our laws. The police should have been helping you. Americans. You have been invaded and betrayed and all you can do, is complain on a website. We are at war, people. Start acting like it.

Kathleen

March 31st, 2011
12:17 am

I agree with Annie Jo. The majority of Americans (TeaParty members or not) have no idea how LaRaza, unions, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, churches, and people who profit from the presence of illegal aliens are turning this country into a clone of the corrupt, lawless, third world countries the illegals left behind before the 30+ million of them invaded our country.

Both Party members who vote against any bills targeting these illegal aliens are guilty of dereliction of duty and aiding and abetting. Republicans in AZ who at the last minute voted against proposed legislation were intimidated and threatened by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Not only are these representatives cowards, they are also corrupt and both the Chamber, businesses, and the reps who were bought are, indirectly, guilty of bribery.

We are taxed trillions of dollars a year for services provided to the cheap labor (illegal aliens) these corrupt employers illegally hire and profit from. Therefore, not only do we pay taxes – a portion of which is dedicated to the cost of educating, medicating, and incarcerating illegal aliens – but, we are also further subsidizing the profits of the business that hire them. In 2004 Bear Stearns estimated there is close to a trillion dollars in unpaid revenues to the IRS as a result of employers paying these illegal aliens “off the books.” Add up the trillions of our taxes for services provided to people who have no right to be in this country plus the trillions in unpaid taxes to the government and realize the price we pay for employers to hire cheap labor.

We see the U.S. Chamber of Commerce business members, unions, churches, LaRaza, and others who profit from illegal aliens marching side by side with these invaders. To date I have never once seen one member of any of the above attend the funerals or stand with the families of the thousands of victims killed at the hands of these illegal aliens. There must be a special place in Hell for those who are willing to sell out our country, sovereignty, and culture so as to up their bottom line.

Elizabeth Filliat

March 31st, 2011
5:48 am

I want to invite all legislators to view the award winning foreign film, “Sin Nombre” (Without a Name) before finally approving this bill. The film is bold and graphic but it shows what Hondurans and Mexicans have risked (their lives) to get to our country out of frightening environments. This bill (Sec. 5) would penalize these poor souls up to 3 to 15 years in prison and $250,000. They are human beings, just like you and me, looking for a better life. Remember that and pray for their lives, even if they are illegally here.

You can view the film on Amazon or Netflix. “Walk a Mile in My Shoes,” and please show compassion to these people who are only looking for work here – any menial work – to support themselves and their families. Look at another’s soul; not simply their circumstances. “There but for the grace of God, go I.”

Some understanding reaches beyond the law; we know from Georgia’s Jim Crow laws of the past.
Please reflect on your decision, legislators, and what you may be doing to the lives of others; pray.
Thank you.

The Goobernator

March 31st, 2011
7:49 am

@Brittanicus, “while at least 45 billion dollars leave this country in wire transfers” because the workers here are sending money back to their families. These workers want to return to their families, not remain US citizens. Many aliens working here are doing it to make a better life for their families and they want to return to them, not become permanent US residents.

I suppose you would have the money spent here in America, which would mean quadrupling the number of aliens coming to America, not temporarily, but permanently.

The TEA PARTY is a shill for big business. You can quote your branded message of “Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government,a Free Fair Market” but what your really want is deregulation so Wall street and Big business can continue pillaging the investments, savings and wages of average folks while foisting on us untested food, drugs and other unsafe products for short term profits. You also want to gut FDA, EPA, FCC, FTC and other government agencies that protect we, the people, and our environment from being exploited by big business for their own greed.

Concerned Voter

March 31st, 2011
9:52 am

Whatever any of you all do, please consider the plight of the innocent children who were brought here under no authority of their own. Working with these children is heartbreaking. So many of them do not ever remember being in their country of birth. If they were to be deported suddenly, it would mean death or worse. Fix the loopholes and enforce the laws. Everyone wins this way, but please consider the children who had no choice.

eatmotacos

March 31st, 2011
10:28 am

Concerned voter says:

“If they were to be deported suddenly, it would mean death or worse…”

Where do you get this nonsense? Mexico is not East Timor – it is nowhere close. Mexico’s per capita income is in the top 25% in the world. They come here to take advantage of our taxpayer provided social services, at the invitation of employers, who don’t mind, at all, placing this burden on those of us who pay taxes. You are buying into their,(Employers), talking points, and helping to destroy our country, in the process.

Cobb Woman of Color

March 31st, 2011
3:37 pm

The legislators should’ve kept the bill intact…

Immigration affects Black America immensely but yet the so-called leaders still support it…

John L., Al and Jesse, please sit down and move aside for younger people who support education, accountability for oneself and upward movement…

For further info on illegal immigration and the Black community, go to…www.cis.org/BlackAmericansOnImmigration

Cobb Woman of Color

March 31st, 2011
3:39 pm

Ooops, meant accountability for one’s self…

I am so irritated that I am typing too fast.

Americans, unite for this cause! We need HB 87 fully intact!

Concerned Voter

April 1st, 2011
6:01 am

My information about what many of the young Mexicans would face if suddenly deported comes from them. What you say, eatmotacos, may be true, but not for all illegals. The ones I am referring to come from the worst crime ridden areas and the lowest socio-economic areas of Mexico. There living coniditions here are marginal, but the living conditions in Mexico are squalid. I agree the business community has created this mess and should be held accountable. But in correcting this situation, but just don’t further punish the children. They are the victims in all of this mess.