Your morning jolt: U.S. Justice Department looking into Lilburn denial of mosque expansion

The civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice is looking into the circumstances surrounding the city of Lilburn’s decision to block the expansion of a local mosque, Mark Winne of Channel 2 Action News reports.

Members of the Dar-e Abbas congregation begin to arrive at the Lilburn  in January. Bita Honarvar, bhonarvar@ajc.com

Members of the Dar-e Abbas congregation begin to arrive at the Lilburn in January. Bita Honarvar, bhonarvar@ajc.com

A federal official confirmed the probe, but declined further comment. Richard Carothers, attorney for the city, said the local government is cooperating.

“We think that we are being discriminated against. We think they don’t want the Muslims to continue to worship in the city,” said Doug Dillard, attorney for the Dar-e Abbas Shia Islamic Center.

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Joe McCutchen, the sage of Jasper, sends word that U.S. Rep. Tom Graves, R-Ranger, broke his foot on Thursday during a game of basketball. He’ll be on crutches for a while.

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On Thursday, live camera trucks from both CNN and Fox News parked themselves in front of the state Capitol to hear former U.S. House speaker Newt Gingrich’s announcement that he has decided to plunge – into the formation of a website that will gauge the temperature for a presidential run.

The result of this misplay: The Marietta Daily Journal, Gingrich’s former hometown newspaper, played the event on Page 5A. Shannon McCaffrey of the Associated Press explains the significance of Gingrich’s “testing the waters phase:”

That means the former Georgia congressman can raise and spend money to hire staff and conduct polling to gauge how much support he would have for a presidential bid. He will only have to disclose his fundraising and spending if he ultimately jumps into the race.

Earlier, Gingrich’s spokesman Rick Tyler said Gingrich and his wife oversee a web of commercial and nonprofit ventures and must tie up some loose ends with those businesses before they can take that step of forming an exploratory committee.

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The Legislature’s annual fight over where firearms can and can’t be carried has begun. From Greg Bluestein of the Associated Press:

A proposal unveiled Thursday would allow licensed gun owners to carry their weapons into churches, synagogues and other houses of worship with the approval of the congregation. It would also allow them to keep their weapons in locked boxes within school parking lots and safety zones.

Another provision would require probate judges to send notices to gun owners at least 90 days before a firearm license expires. The proposal also would no longer require those seeking to renew their license to undergo another criminal background check, although the measure’s backers said they expect to delete that language after it came under fire.

“Some gun rights are still being repressed in Georgia as I see it,” said state Sen. Jeff Mullis, the Chickamauga Republican who sponsored the measure. “I hope this adds value to the right to bear arms.”

The measure, which is before the Senate Public Safety Committee, comes a year after lawmakers adopted a proposal that allowed permit-holders to carry guns into some bars and the parking lots of colleges, courthouses, airports and jails.

Another measure that would have allowed guns into parts of airports throughout the state was vetoed in June by Gov. Sonny Perdue.

The 23-page overhaul would further expand the list of places gun owners can carry their weapons.

The measure would specifically ban law enforcement officers from seizing firearms from suspects, unless the weapons are evidence in a criminal investigation. It bars local governments from adopting any gun restriction that’s more stringent than the state law.

At a subcommittee meeting, critics took aim at the new notification requirements for probate judges, saying that it would force lawmakers to hike the $30 firearm license fee to cover the costs. There was also pushback against allowing licensed gun owners to bring their weapons into houses of worship.

“If everybody pulls a pistol, who’s going to be left?” said state Sen. Valencia Seay, a Riverdale Democrat. “We’re relaxing everyone’s right to carry. When are we going to stop?”

But gun rights advocates said houses of worship should also be entitled to Second Amendment protections. State Sen. Mitch Seabaugh said churches are now the only owners of private property that aren’t allowed to decide whether gun owners can carry firearms on their property.

“This would allow a church to develop their own policies,” said Seabaugh, a Sharpsburg Republican. He said congregations could even use the proposal to “secretly allow members of their church to develop their own security.”

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Something to file under “Who Knew?” A small item in the Coastal Courier addresses a coming performance of “A Closer Walk with Patsy Cline” at the Glennville city auditorium in Tattnall County.

The show features Katie Deal, daughter of Gov. Nathan Deal, as “one of America’s top Patsy Cline interpreters, officially sanctioned by the Patsy Cline Estate and Charlie Dick, Cline’s husband.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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71 comments Add your comment

Southside Shawty

March 4th, 2011
9:02 am

Has one jobs bill, or any bill relating to jobs, water, education (besides the destruction of HOPE) been introduced by these ‘esteemed’ gentlemen?

bart

March 4th, 2011
9:12 am

Across the country, unemployment is at its lowest in 2 years, yet in GA unemployment is at an all time high. Maybe it’s because the clowns in our legislature are dealing with allowing guns in churches rather than concentrating on jobs, the economy, education, transportation, and water. It’s time to throw the bums out. Hopefully, in the next election, we can clean house. Let’s not forget they are wasting OUR money on this useless crap rather than dealing with important issues.

SpaceyG on Twitter

March 4th, 2011
9:19 am

I am asking all Georgia media, when referencing WSB-TV’s Mark Winne, to also encourage membership in the Mark Winne fan club. If I get to 3K members I’m going to take myself to Aruba. And open a Turks and Caicos bank account. The Mark Winne Is A Bada*s Crime Reporter Facebook Group is here: http://on.fb.me/eByT8G

Thanks!

Travis McGee

March 4th, 2011
9:23 am

A Probate Judge has to send a notice to gun owners reminding them when they need to renew their license.

Un-freakin’-believeable.

If they don’t have enough judgement to keep up with their renewal, maybe they don’t have enough judgement to be packing heat.

How about the state notifying everyone to remind them of their driver’s license renewal. Stupid. Yet! But so it this pistol packin’ law being offered by Jeff Mullis.

RallyG

March 4th, 2011
9:30 am

So incompetent Holder’s civil rights lawyers, who recently haven’t been doing much besides surfing the net and playing computer games are now going after local governments?

2012 can’t come soo enough to turn these leftist clowns out of office.

Disgusting.

bart

March 4th, 2011
9:32 am

In addition to wasting our money on crazy gun laws, you also have the idiots who signed onto the “birther” bill. Then you have an Arizona style bill that will surely cost the state money in fighting the inevitable court battles. Our economy is in the tank, yet none of the idiots in our legislature seem at all concerned with improving the economy and bringing back some jobs to our state. Our legislature is a nationa embarrassment.

bart

March 4th, 2011
9:33 am

HL

March 4th, 2011
9:35 am

Major companies look at a various of things before relocating. Recent studies have shown that they want to attract an educated work force. As long as the representatives continue to pass laws that are political in nature, our unemployment will stay high.

Beavis

March 4th, 2011
9:40 am

2012 could not come fast enough, the first president to seal his school records, won’t prove he was born here, first president to sue a state for upholding a federal law by duplicating it at state level. First to get involved in local issues, please Obozo go away..

justjanny

March 4th, 2011
9:52 am

Some of you are so busy hating, you are ignoring what is NOT going on in our own state!

@Bart:

Across the country, unemployment is at its lowest in 2 years, yet in GA unemployment is at an all time high. Maybe it’s because the clowns in our legislature are dealing with allowing guns in churches rather than concentrating on jobs, the economy, education, transportation, and water. It’s time to throw the bums out. Hopefully, in the next election, we can clean house. Let’s not forget they are wasting OUR money on this useless crap rather than dealing with important issues.

SpaceyG on Twitter

March 4th, 2011
9:55 am

Newt Gingrich is the Camilla Parker-Bowles of American politics. The meddlesome old bags just will not go away. And your dad even orders you to invite them to stuff. What person/voter under 50 isn’t cringing at the very thought?!

Last Man Standing

March 4th, 2011
9:59 am

bart:

“Across the country, unemployment is at its lowest in 2 years”

. . . if you trust what the fed says, and I do not.

mohammed

March 4th, 2011
9:59 am

Puh leese! No one wants Muslims around them even other Muslims from different sects, all the wars in the world right now are being fought because of Muslims

really now

March 4th, 2011
10:01 am

Sure they discriminate that’s why the largest Hindu temple in the USA is right down the street from the ragheads

Last Man Standing

March 4th, 2011
10:04 am

really now:

I wish the ragheads would just leave – and take bart with them.

td

March 4th, 2011
10:06 am

HL

March 4th, 2011
9:35 am
Major companies look at a various of things before relocating. Recent studies have shown that they want to attract an educated work force. As long as the representatives continue to pass laws that are political in nature, our unemployment will stay high.

You my friend are spinning the liberal line and do not have a clue. Please post the studies. If you will go and look at this study just released yesterday by the US Chamber of commerce you will see that the Georgia legislature is doing better than any other large state at setting the right environment to attract companies.

http://www.workforcefreedom.com/sites/default/files/Georgia.pdf

A quote for you:

“The area has the country’s fourth largest concentration of Fortune 500
company headquarters. As one of the major business centers in the country”

I guess that takes out you education argument?

Last Man Standing

March 4th, 2011
10:08 am

RalllyG:

“2012 can’t come soo enough to turn these leftist clowns out of office.”

I agree! The Justice Department is swift when they thing ragheads are getting a bad deal.

Halsey

March 4th, 2011
10:17 am

Freedom of religion doesn’t just apply to Christians. A lot of people in Lilburn need to get over their fear and bigotry.

Tom

March 4th, 2011
10:36 am

Halsey, unlike Muslims, Christians don’t want to force everyone else to live their lives based on their reli-……

Oh, wait.

Nevermind.

Gunluvr

March 4th, 2011
10:41 am

There can be no infringements on the right to keep and bear arms. I’ll carry my guns wherever I want.

abouttime

March 4th, 2011
10:50 am

stop using the word “raghead”. It’s offensive. thanks

Tom

March 4th, 2011
10:51 am

Gunlvr, let us know how that works out for ya’ the next time you visit a courtroom.

Halsey

March 4th, 2011
10:58 am

Yes, Tom, I understand the logic of some fearful, bigoted Christians: All Muslims are evil.

Some fearful, bigoted Muslims have the opposite view. They think all Christians are evil.

The fact is most people in the world, Christian, Muslim or whatever else, just want to live peacefully and be free.

The Thin Guy

March 4th, 2011
10:58 am

We need a law that sets the number of mosques in the United States equal to the number of churches and synagogues in Saudia Arabia. No more. No less.

M&P

March 4th, 2011
11:01 am

“If everybody pulls a pistol, who’s going to be left?” said state Sen. Valencia Seay, a Riverdale Democrat”

Valencia’s homey constituents are already armed and couldn’t care less about the law. It just wouldn’t do for their victims, i.e. the rest of us, to be armed and able to defend ourselves.

Scott

March 4th, 2011
11:06 am

So it’s OK to bring guns to church on Sunday but it’s not OK for me to buy beer…

Seriously?

Hollis

March 4th, 2011
11:09 am

Let’s all become “fast draw Mcgraw”!!!!

double

March 4th, 2011
11:09 am

4th qtr.us economy grew 27.1%————-more mfg.jobs created than last 13 yrs.—exports up 21% in 2010.Sounds as if we are beginning to come out of this.If the price of oil continues up ???.

td

March 4th, 2011
11:13 am

Scott

March 4th, 2011
11:06 am
So it’s OK to bring guns to church on Sunday but it’s not OK for me to buy beer…

Seriously?

That is correct. We do not want to have to shoot your drunk self on the Sunday.

No Dog in this Hunt

March 4th, 2011
11:17 am

Are there still metal detectors and guards at the capitol? Why?

AR

March 4th, 2011
11:18 am

Maybe it’s because so many people moved here looking for jobs from other states and they can’t find jobs here either!

deegee

March 4th, 2011
11:21 am

When did places of worship become so dangerous that guns are necessary? I don’t know where state Sen. Jeff Mullis worships but I would stay away from that congregation.

Sexy Chablis

March 4th, 2011
11:21 am

I know some of them Muslims and I don’t agree. They insulted Miss Chablis fabulous sense of style! Telling me to cover up assets like these. Oh no, you crazy! Good Christians like what’s up under the Gold Dome this time of year, now that’s what I’m talkin bout me some REAL mens! When they in town to do they law making bi’niss, I’m here waiting when they come out all sweaty from scroozin the public and getting rich the good ol American way — backroom deals. That make Miss Chablis so hot! They share the fruits of they labor with me, in private, like good family republicans do. Don’t need no Muslims telling me to cover it up, when Jesus say let that light shine, let it shine! Casey Blue Eyz… call me Baby. I know your busy but I miss you.

Tom

March 4th, 2011
11:21 am

Scott, yes you can buy beer on Sunday. You just have to drink it immediately after purchase, before you get back in your car.

Last Man Standing

March 4th, 2011
11:28 am

abouttime:

Sorry, but I’m not seeking the Mr. PC label. In fact, I am offended by the the peace-loving muslims even being here.

On another note, an armed population is a polite population – by necessity.

double

March 4th, 2011
11:35 am

@sexy Chablis You must be talking about Dixiecrats.Thought they went away.Just changed party I guess.We will need guns when we can no longer afford to buy food.Thought about buying one,that is until I priced them.Ammunition so high if had gun would have to use as club.

Edward

March 4th, 2011
11:39 am

Are they going to let me bring my gun into the capital building? Why not?

zack

March 4th, 2011
11:41 am

How can Lilburn be discriminating against anyone. Has anyone see the demograhics of that city lately. Let me put in too ya this way, not a whole lot of understandable English being spoken in that city anymore.

gatorman770

March 4th, 2011
11:42 am

I’m a NRA life member, but the proposed new notification requirements for probate judges to notify license holders that their license is near expiration is asinine! Whats next requiring the GHP to notify drivers license holders their license is about to expire?
The proposal to no longer require those seeking to renew their license to undergo another complete criminal background check should be passed, switching back to the original renewal process, unless statistical data shows that a high percentage of license holders commit felonies between renewals, which we all know is not the case.

Edward

March 4th, 2011
11:43 am

I always have to laugh at the Talibangelicals who define religious freedom as christians should be free to practice their religion as they see fit, and other people should be free to practice their religion as the christians see fit.

Sexy Chablis

March 4th, 2011
11:43 am

No, them Democrats get on Miss Chablis last nerve. Always trying to register me to vote. Boring me with talk about schools and ethics and jobs. Yes, I partied for days when Barack Obama won the election. That was a good time! But these Democrats dont have the money to entertain Miss Chablis in the manner I deserve, baby. I don’t need no job, I need me some good mens without scruples who got money in they pockets and don’t try to write me no check.

findog

March 4th, 2011
11:47 am

The solution is to write a one sentence law: “Guns are allowed everywhere except the Georgia State Capital Building when the Legislature is in session.”
Now can we look at jobs training?

Mean spirited

March 4th, 2011
11:47 am

Hey abouttime, how about these terms..Haji, Towel Head, Sand People (wait that one can be offensive unless you don’t like Star Wars movies)

double

March 4th, 2011
11:48 am

The way this works is requiring notification, of permit renewal will require more office help, and will put another politicans friend or family member to work.And you the tax payer or permit holder will pay the salary.

td

March 4th, 2011
12:08 pm

findog

March 4th, 2011
11:47 am
The solution is to write a one sentence law: “Guns are allowed everywhere except the Georgia State Capital Building when the Legislature is in session.”
Now can we look at jobs training?

Why is it the states responsibility to train workers that get displaced from their jobs? I was told that education is a lifelong learning process. Should it not be the responsibility of the worker to continue building their marketable skill sets while they have a job?

Tom

March 4th, 2011
12:11 pm

Aren’t virtually all buildings capital?

td

March 4th, 2011
12:12 pm

double

March 4th, 2011
11:48 am
The way this works is requiring notification, of permit renewal will require more office help, and will put another politicans friend or family member to work.And you the tax payer or permit holder will pay the salary.

Yes I agree. The solution is to do away with the whole permit process and hold to the original intent of the 2nd amendment and if a felon or crazy person is caught with a gun then they should go straight to jail and never be released.

Me

March 4th, 2011
12:48 pm

To td

A quote for you: “The area has the country’s fourth largest concentration of Fortune 500
company headquarters. As one of the major business centers in the country”

I guess that takes out you education argument?

All your quote shows is that in the past, GA had full HOPE and attraced companies. Now with less HOPE we have to wonder if companies will still be as interested in coming here.

Guess that reinforces the education argument.

Last Man Standing

March 4th, 2011
12:54 pm

td:

My approach to guns would be a little different. Georgia should pass a law requiring people to own and be profficient in the use of a gun. There would be an “opt-out” clause for those who did not want to own or use a gun, however by “opting-out” an individual would be taxed on that privilege. The reasoning behind this is that gun owners can protect themselves and their property while non gun owners must rely on public safety assistance. The tax paid by the individual opting out of owbership would be used to help fund police agencies.

Beavis You are a BUTTHEAD!1

March 4th, 2011
1:02 pm

I am so sick of IDIOTS like you trying to prove that Pres. Obama was not born in the U.S., you & idiots like you are pathetic. He was born in Hawaii & last time I checked that was part of the U.S. Leave Pres. Obama alone & focus on this domino effect, bad economy, healthcare problems, War in Afghanistan & all the other bull from 8 years of Bush. I have NEVER seen so much disrespect for a U.S. President in my 52 yrs. We have had some of the worst in history, but Congress wants to disrespect & go against ANYTHING Pres. Obama does to try to get AMERICANS jobs, save homes, healthcare, etc. Who is making all the noise, the haves because they don’t want the have nots to have anything. I have had & paid for healthcare for almost 31 yrs. & it’s still too high with deductibles. Congress is sleeping with the enemy, these big insurance companies & getting their pockets fat at the expense of the American people. At least Pres. Obama is TRYING. Can’t say that for a lot of other Presidents in the past. If you idiots want to raise cain about anything, what about the billions & billions of dollars going into a war that should not have been fromt he start & our young men & women coming home to their familes in body bags. SHUT YOUR MOUTH IDIOTS!!