Your morning jolt: House speaker suggests ‘birther’ bill has a limited future
House Speaker David Ralston, in a late Thursday interview, said he would not stop committee-level debate of a bill to require President Barack Obama to provide proof of his American birth in order to get on the ballot next year.
But Ralston, who has developed a strong relationship with Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, suggested that HB 401 stood little chance of making it to the floor for passage, despite carrying the signatures of 93 Republican lawmakers.
House Speaker David Ralston. Jason Getz, jgetz@ajc.com
“I’m not promoting the bill or squelching discussion. We’ll have a discussion, and then we’ll see what happens,” Ralston said. “First of all, I believe President Obama is the duly elected president of the United States. I’ve never followed the ‘birther’ school of thought.”
The measure was introduced Monday, and has its first hearing today in a House subcommittee. The bill could require all candidates for president to provide certified copies of their “first original long-form birth certificate.”
Documentation as provided by the state of Hawaii, which has insisted time and time again that Obama was born there, “would not suffice,” said state Rep. Mark Hatfield, R-Waycross, the bill’s author.
The bill comes as the Georgia Ports Authority continues to push the White House for hundreds of millions in federal dollars to dredge the Port of Savannah – the state’s most important infrastructure project. The bill also flies in the face of an alliance that the House speaker has built with the mayor of Atlanta on another crucial issue – transportation funding.
Moreover, passage of the HOPE scholarship bill on Tuesday was accomplished with the cooperation of House Democratic Leader Stacy Abrams of Atlanta, who has her own ties to Obama.
All that said, the signatures of 93 Republicans on the bill – in a 180-member House – requires Ralston to perform a high-wire act on this issue.
“I am elected by a large and diverse caucus. And the issues that matter to them span a considerable range,” Ralston said. “What I’ve tried to be about, is allowing the committee process to have discussions about issues that are important to members.”
Another measure being heard today, the speaker noted, was a proposed constitutional amendment to permit horse-racing in Georgia.
Asked whether HB 401 could hurt the state’s effort to obtain federal funding for its all-important port, Ralston said:
”I would hope that having the discussion would not. I would hope that there would be respect for a diversity of opinion and a free exchange of ideas. I would hope that everybody in this process is big enough to understand that in the legislative process, a big part of what this is about is having ideas vetted and debated.
“I’m kind of proud of the relationships we have. Mayor Reed and I have formed a kind of alliance that I think is healthy for the entire state. I think we share some goals that I think are good for Georgia – such as the port and its future.
“I think all of those are much larger than this discussion.”
In case you missed it, go back and read the emphasis Ralston placed on the word “discussion.”
Asked whether his relationship with Reed would survive a floor vote on a bill that questions the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency, Ralston said this:
”I think our alliance is very strong. And I would not do anything to damage that alliance.”
So no House floor vote? Replied Ralston:
”I’m saying that we’ve got a lot of big issues that need to come to the floor. That’s different than saying that debating this bill in subcommittee or at the committee level – that’s two different things.
“At some point we’re going to have to sit down and prioritize how we’re going to spend our energy. The priorities are the budget, the reservoir bill, making sure the HOPE scholarship bill gets all the way through the process. We’ve got the tax reform council.”
At the request of many of you’ve I’ve uploaded a scan of the many signatures on HB 401. Stopping this bill may be harder than it sounds. Originally, we wrote here that, among the 22 Republicans who have not signed onto the bill was John Meadows, chairman of the House Rules Committee, which determines which bills move – and don’t move.
But Hatfield pointed us to Meadows’ signature. “Top of the second row, back page.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Drew
March 2nd, 2011
9:05 am
Ol’ John will let the bill out of the Rules Committee. He ain’t no one’s fool. Having said that, the jury of the American public voted that Obama was a citizen.
Tin Foil Hats
March 2nd, 2011
9:06 am
Thankfully not all GA GOPers wear tin foil hats.
Tom Gissy
March 2nd, 2011
9:08 am
If the good old boys under the gold dome can not come up with anything better to waste their time and our money on than the “birther cause” maybe the best place to start with a reduction of those on the state payroll would be in the House.
I really don't care
March 2nd, 2011
9:09 am
if he’s american born or whatever. John McCain was born in Panama… so what? if the guy is from mars and can provide solutions to our problems – I’d vote for him!
just won't fly
March 2nd, 2011
9:16 am
why are ppl in Atl even wasting time on this; oh wait, we are protected from the government chip.
hsgrad
March 2nd, 2011
9:16 am
The good ole boys also want to exempt the Georgia Dept. of Transportation from accountability from choking our creeks and rivers of mud. Mud from GDOT projects. The “birther” bill doesn’t surprise me!
JohnnyReb
March 2nd, 2011
9:16 am
“But Ralston, who has developed a strong relationship with Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed….”
In other words, because Obama and Reed are black and Ralston likes Reed, the bill should/will be stuck in committee.
There’s that “tribal loyalty” thing that has apparently infected more just Bookman at the AJC.
cs
March 2nd, 2011
9:17 am
message from South Ga……Screw the tax “reform” council and anyone who votes for tax increases for me.
Leading the Way
March 2nd, 2011
9:18 am
Let’s see how many conventions we loose because of this stupid bill. Being a laughing stock always bring the money conventions to the state. Keep it up Georgia lead the way. The next auto makers will love to see what our priorties are.
ATL
March 2nd, 2011
9:18 am
@ Tin Foil Hats: No just half of ‘em…
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
9:24 am
Kudos to Ralston for categorically denying the birther junk. But you know we’ve got lunatics running the asylum when the Senate squelches open discussion of Sunday sales, yet the House publicly wallows in idiocy.
Mr. Ralston needs to grow a pair and reign in the freak show. Birther nonsense may appeal to crazy constituents, but it’s seriously hurting our State when they not only waste time, they generate headlines that make the sane world roll their eyes and sigh “Ah, Southerners. See what happens when you marry your cousins?”
Mark Twain
March 2nd, 2011
9:27 am
To the Birthers:
“All you need is ignorance and confidence and the success is sure.”
“The political…morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet.”
“To lodge all power in one party and keep it there is to insure bad government and the sure and gradual deterioration of the public morals.”
Have at it ladies and gentlemen. You’ll surely squander our power by drowning it in a lake of reactionary absurdity. Unfortunately, you’ll bring down with you the wise and reasonable members of our party along the way.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
9:34 am
Tin Foil Hats
March 2nd, 2011
9:06 am
Thankfully not all GA GOPers wear tin foil hats.
Just most of them!
Southside Shawty
March 2nd, 2011
9:34 am
…. And you want money from the Feds to dredge the Savannah Port. Good luck with that!
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
9:36 am
This is crazy! Don’t they think if there was anything to find the Clinton’s would have found it in ‘08 during the primaries? Give me a break! Stop this ridicoulous stuff and let’s focus on things that really matter – like creating jobs for this idiotic, bass-ackwards state that we live in.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
9:40 am
Remember when Georgia used to be open minded? That’s when it was run by conservative or moderate Democrats instead of crazy, right-wing Republicans. I don’t understand why we voted out the Dems in this state. It’s not like they’re some liberal from Massachusetts or something. They are conservatives, but still open minded enough to do the right thing. I say bring back the Dems and kick the Republicans out!
Derrick
March 2nd, 2011
9:48 am
I am ashamed to live here. With all of the stuff going on, this is what those idiots in the capitol building came up with to waste time and money on? I didn’t vote for this?
Law Student
March 2nd, 2011
9:50 am
I don’t find this to be as much of a jolt as some may. Speaker Ralston’s position only makes sense in terms of efficiency. I think this has much less to do with “tribal loyalty” than the fact that he went to law school and recognizes that this law will likely be struck down by the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional for the same basic reason that term limits on candidates for Congress were struck down in U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton in 1995 in which the U.S. Supreme Court said that states cannot impose additional requirements for candidates for federal office beyond those stated in the relevant qualifications clause.
muggymug
March 2nd, 2011
9:52 am
I wish all the tv pundits would stop asking Republicans about the birther issue, and just once, ask the President why he will not show us the birth certificate. Or for that matter, college records etc. Why would he fight this? The national media is doing its level best to make any discussion of this legitimate issue, “crazy talk” so that the issue will go away. It makes me wonder what they are so frightened about. Sadly, the Republican party is too soft to press the issue. Maybe it’s time to join the tea party after all.
Irisher
March 2nd, 2011
9:53 am
Haven’t we had enough display of ignorance and blind hypocrisy in the State Legislature? This bill proves that 94 members don’t have either the capacity or the will to seek the truth. The State of Hawaii must laugh at us daily if the even notice these stupid and irrelevant tactics to attack a sitting President.
Are there any adults in the legislature who can get on with the real issues of the economy and budget?
Travis McGee
March 2nd, 2011
9:54 am
Well, inspite of your criticisms, the Georgia legislature is dependable. They can be depended on to embarrass, humiliate, and mystify those with an IQ over 40.
Thanks for not letting us down. And, so it goes. . . .
I'm NOT with Stupid.
March 2nd, 2011
9:57 am
To: GA’s Republican State Representatives
Please stop embarrassing GA citizens with crack pot, lunatic fringe politics before we all feel the need to wear “I’m with Stupid (aka GA’s Birther, Racist, & Wing Nut State Reps.)” shirts.
- Haters Gonna Hate
PS. Racism & Hate are not Family Values.
jewcowboy
March 2nd, 2011
10:00 am
Good to know our legislature is concentrating on important work such as the budget, education, water rights, transportation and infrastructure…what a bunch of halfwit imbeciles.
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
10:00 am
Drew:
” the jury of the American public voted that Obama was a citizen.”
Sorry, no cigar for you. The American people cannot vote citizenship (in this case, born on American soil) to anyone. We are, after all, a nation of laws.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:01 am
Obama voted for a federal law in 2005 that forces states to verify the validity of birth certificates from the issuing agencies (usually a state’s health or vital records department) when citizens use this record to apply for a drivers license or ID card. This eligibility bill does nothing more than hold Obama to the same standard he voted for.
The state of Hawaii has gone out of its way to avoid releasing the official records that would legally verify whether Obama’s jpg of an alleged birth certificate is genuine. Both the former governor and current governor of Hawaii have told outright falsehoods to cover for Obama. Enough is enough. It’s time to quit making excuses and hold Obama to a very simple standard to which all of us are legally bound.
Denise
March 2nd, 2011
10:03 am
First of all, I am an independent voter who votes for who I think is the BEST candidate for the job.
Obama has been vetted by the CIA, FBI, DNC, RNC, etc. to verify that he was born in Hawaii. (And Hawaii IS A STATE.)
I moved back to the south (after living in the cold Midwestern winters) several years ago. The Atlanta metro area seemed like a great place to live at the time.
Given the following stats, what can I say TODAY to encourage someone to relocate to Georgia…..
Georgia is the 40th most educated state
Our 4th graders ranked 37th in math and 39th in reading
Our 8th graders ranked 40th in Math
Georgia ranks 41st in infant mortality
Georgia ranks 44th in lack of health care insurance
In 2010, Texas topped the states as having created the most jobs. Georgia ranked tops as the state that had LOST the MOST jobs.
Legislators, we elect you to focus on the NEEDS of our state, and not some partisan crap. Do what you can to improve the aforementioned stats, among Georiga’s other needs..
Atlanta Native
March 2nd, 2011
10:05 am
Whether he is on the ballot or not, GOP will take all of Georgia’s electoral votes. So it is pointless and will have no real effect.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
10:05 am
I think Hawaii should pass legislation declaring they won’t accept Georgia documents like drivers licenses. If we don’t trust their state officials to verify documentation, why should they trust ours?
Joe Cool
March 2nd, 2011
10:05 am
The Only Reason BS Like This Makes It To The Floor Or Even Brought Up For Discussion, Is Because They Have To Cater to Their Base. Look For Yourselves, Poll Shows 51% Of Republicans Are “Birthers” Or “Concerned” About B.O. Birth Certificate. It Really Shows The Type Of People We Elect, Yet They Continue To Get Elected. And PPL Wonder Why We Are A Laughing Stock And Never Live Down The Typical “SOUTH” Sterotype…. Its Stuff Like This!
Ever Wanna Get A “Birther” All Riled Up, Tell Them That B.O. Must Be Smarter Than The WHOLE Republican Party In Order To Have Pulled Off The Biggest Conspiracy In History….And Ask Them Do They Agree…LOL.
Joe Cool
March 2nd, 2011
10:07 am
“Remember when Georgia used to be open minded?”
WHEN???
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
10:08 am
Leading the Way:
“Let’s see how many conventions we loose because of this stupid bill.”
Now, this was the comment that I was waiting for, and you didn’t disappoint! Anytime the state does something or fails to do something that someone disapproves, I see this comment. If this comment was true and accurate, by now there would be NO convention business ar all in Atlanta. Further, if anything slows the convention business there, it would be a good guess that it is the rampant crime experienced by Atlantans.
muggymug
March 2nd, 2011
10:10 am
Enter your comments here
cs
March 2nd, 2011
10:11 am
“Ah, Southerners. See what happens when you marry your cousins?”–Aquagirl
Albert Einstein married his cousin. Some others are..Johann Sebastien Bach
Werner von Braun
Charles Darwin
Rudy Giuliani
Jessie James
Mary and Joseph
Aemilia Lanyer
Jerry Lee Lewis
Sir John A. MacDonald
Prophet Muhammad
Edgar Allen Poe
Christopher Robin
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Greta Scacchi
Queen Victoria
H.G. Wells
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:14 am
@ Denise, nobody has “vetted” Obama. The CIA and FBI do not do background checks on elected politicians. The state of Hawaii has refused to verify that Obama’s jpg is genuine, and they made several misleading and outright false statements to cover for him. There is no legal evidence to back up the jpg Obama posted on his website. NONE.
As for the DNC and RNC, the Republicans had their own candidate who was questionable in terms of Constitutional eligibility. They’ve simply ignored the Constitutional requirements and forged ahead with these candidates. Obama just happened to be the one who won, but neither fit the Supreme Court’s definition of natural born citizen, regardless of whether Obama was truly born in Hawaii.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
@ aquagirl, there’s already a federal law that requires states to verify birth certificates with the states that issued them. Obama voted for this law. The eligibility bill does nothing more than hold Obama to the same standard that he voted for.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
Let me see if I have this straight. Our esteemed leaders under the Dome have the time to push forward this idiocy to pander to the lunatic fringe while these same “keep the government out of my private life” loons won’t even let the Sunday Sales bill have a vote? This is the best we can expect out of our Government?
(And yes this is idiocy. Save the defenses and nonsensical “what’s the harm” arguments. This is a waste of time and resources that will ACCOMPLISH NOTHING!!! This is the very definition of slavishly pandering LUNACY FOR GOD’S SAKE!)
What the hell is wrong with this state? Party affiliation aside, the lapdog pandering to narrow interest groups has become disgusting. And we keep electing these idiots.
Oh my God.
MaconDawg
March 2nd, 2011
10:17 am
We’ve got an unemployment rate of 10.2%. These idiots are trying raise taxes on everything from gas to a haircut and now they are wasting the valuable time and effort because their guy lost the election.
Obama won…grow up, get over it and get to work.
muggymug
March 2nd, 2011
10:19 am
I wish, just once, the national tv pundits would ask our President about this instead of hounding Republicans about the issue. They won’t touch the issue with the President himself. Curious. Aren’t some of you people even a little curious why he has not released his records? It would be so easy to do. Even Chris Matthews has said it’s time for him to do it. You people need to learn to question your government at all levels. And by the way, Arizona is farther ahead on this bill than Georgia is, so I don’t even wanna hear that its a southern thing!
The Road Leads Back to Birthers
March 2nd, 2011
10:19 am
[...] the Republican leadership in the house can reign the birther caucus in and give Georgia a break from the national news cycle for just a day or two. (I’m looking [...]
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
10:21 am
This bill is filled with legal, logical and contsitutional defects.
If they fixed all of those defects, there would be nothing left of the bill.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
10:24 am
@ksdb -”there’s already a federal law that requires states to verify birth certificates with the states that issued them.”
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There’s also a section of the U.S. Consitution that requires Georgia to accept official documents from Hawaii.
muggymug
March 2nd, 2011
10:24 am
I really have to laugh at all you people who say we have other things to worry about.
There is no greater issue than this one. Are we governed by the rule of law, or not? If the guy has a birth certificate, then this is no big deal. Piece of cake. Why all the wringing of hands? Why all the worry? Bunch of birthaphobes if you ask me.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
10:25 am
@MaconDawg: “We’ve got an unemployment rate of 10.2%. . . Obama won…grow up, get over it and get to work.”
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They are. Don’t you get it? This IS a jobs bill. It guarantees jobs. . . . for lawyers.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
10:27 am
@ kdsb— OK, the proper Hawaii officials have verified Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Case closed.
Gosh, that was easy. Maybe now we can worry about transportation, water, and all the other real-world problems.
Faa Q
March 2nd, 2011
10:29 am
Dumb thought here guys. Instead of talking trash or allowing others to do it for him why not just show a copy of the original document? Boom done. The bogus Kenya document was proven to be photoshopped. Like the real document it was a photocopy. Instead of showing a photocopy and talking trash show the real deal.
Straight Talk
March 2nd, 2011
10:30 am
“Birther’ is intended to disparage anyone who has concerns about the citizenship status of our current President. This effort and trying to shout down anyone with those concerns does not address the question of why there has been a full court press to seal up every single record of Mr. Obama – hospital, government, primary school, college, law school, etc.- that would shed the light of accuracy and truth on this issue does nothing to resolve the issue. I don’t think we have enough information to know one way or another. The one document – a Hawaiian certificate of live birth that is purported to be the ‘proof’ is a document that is available to any parents who provide an affidavit of their child’s birth. That would be conclusive in most people’s mind, including mine, had the Obama folks not spent over a reported $1 million+ to shut down any efforts to gain access to other corroborating documents. That is a red flag to many reasonable people. The ‘birther’ people’s concerns could have been laid to rest a long time ago had Mr. Obama allowed the same access to his records that has consistently been available to the public and media from other candidates over the years. Obama supporters would do everyone in the country a favor to ask, as liberal reporter and TV talks show host Chris Matthews has done, Mr. Obama to allow access to his records. Until he does that that, under the circumstances, any U.S. citizen has a legitimate right to continue to ask the question. .
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
10:32 am
“Aren’t some of you people even a little curious why he has not released his records?”
NO, NO, NO! I didn’t vote for the guy but hear this…. I DON’T CARE! The man is the President, let it go you poor pathetic weirdos. Let it go and open your eyes for a minute and perhaps you will see that there are a few problems in this State that might just need some careful consideration and thought.
If the polls are to be believed then 80+% don’t buy into this lunacy. But here in the Loony Bin AKA the Dome I suppose we have to pander to the 20% that do. PANDER PANDER PANDER. Drive in that wedge issue that much further.
OH MY GOD. REALLY????
Joe Cool
March 2nd, 2011
10:33 am
OHHH And For The PPL Who Say, “Why Wont He Just Show It And Prove Them Wrong”, Its Because:
1)Hes The President and Has Been Verifiy Through Every Channel In Order To Be Where He Is, Just Like ALL The Other 43 Presidents Have. What Makes Him Any Different (I Let You Ponder On That).
2)Nothing Makes YOU BIRTHERS Look Even Crazier, Than Thinking With THE LIKE MINDS Of Truther, Nasa faking the moon landings, Princess Diana, Elvis Presley faking his own death!!!
That Is How The World Views You BIRTHERS!
Straight Talk
March 2nd, 2011
10:38 am
I did not make this post. They are as legitimate as the birth records may be.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
10:40 am
Joe Cool
March 2nd, 2011
10:07 am
“Remember when Georgia used to be open minded?”
WHEN???
Before we started electing nitwit Republicans and Dems were in control of the legislature in Georgia (and we actually had at least one U.S. Senator and sometimes two and several Representatives that were conservative or at the very least moderate Democrats). All that started in 2002. Before then this state was controlled by open-minded, Conservative Democrats (with a few moderates but few or no true liberals).
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:40 am
@chilidog, the state of Hawaii has NOT provided any official documents to the state of Georgia to confirm Obama’s nativity myth. That’s the whole point of this bill. A jpg on a website is not acceptable evidence of anything, especially when the state of Hawaii goes out of its way to avoid legally confirming its authenticity.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
Gee, straight talk, I’d believe you if you just included your birth certificate with your post. How hard can that be? Why don’t you post it, what’s the big deal?
Rodger
March 2nd, 2011
10:42 am
Please list the 93 Republicans who signed this bill. A billboard should be erected in Atlanta with all of their names posted under the caption “93 RACISTS IN OUR STATE GOVERNMENT”
Let’s call a spade a spade!
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:43 am
@ aquagirl, you’re imagining things. The state of Hawaii has not verified Obama’s jpg of an alleged birth certificate. The current governor can’t find the original. He had his people look for it and now he claims that something is written down in the State Archives. The problem is that the state archives in Hawaii don’t contain ANY birth records newer than 1929. Why would he tell such a terrible lie??
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
10:44 am
““Birther’ is intended to disparage anyone who has concerns about the citizenship status of our current President.”
I am not attempting to disparage anyone who has those concerns….I am outright, in plain speak and at the top of my lungs disparaging those people. IGNORANCE IS NOT A BIRTH DEFECT BUT A WILLFUL CHOICE.
And this is the height of ignorance.
So consider yourself disparaged.
OH MY GOD!!! REALLY????
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
10:44 am
The state of Hawaii has refused to verify that Obama’s jpg is genuine, and they made several misleading and outright false statements to cover for him. There is no legal evidence to back up the jpg Obama posted on his website. NONE.
Where on earth do you get that from? The former Republican (and I emphasize “REPUBLICAN”) Governor, Linda Lingle confirmed the authenticity of the birth certificate on more than one occasion.
GaBlue
March 2nd, 2011
10:47 am
C’mon. Bring it. Tell us we won’t have the option of voting for the Democratic nominee.
Watch the revolution spread as the progressive people of Georgia wake up and converge on the Capitol to overthrow the oppressive Talibaptist, Good ol’ Boy Corruption Regime. We’ll thank you for the motivation afterward.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
10:48 am
“Dumb thought here guys. Instead of talking trash or allowing others to do it for him why not just show a copy of the original document?”
Because IT DOESN’T MATTER!!! Obama is the President whether we like it or not. Change it is 2012 if you wish but this is the kind of idiocy that makes my home state look like its filled with the Ned Beatty raping psycho rednecks.
OH MY GOD!!! REALLY????
Denise
March 2nd, 2011
10:49 am
I am sure that Newt is loving these birther comments. He can surely depend on votes from the simple- minded people and politicians in Georgia!
Let it go! Focus on Georgia’s REAL problems.
pn
March 2nd, 2011
10:49 am
Wake up blog monitor. AJC makes reporting nasty comments too difficult to be useful.
You people are suckers
March 2nd, 2011
10:51 am
Yes, “birther” is disparaging, and it ought to be. Every time there is a piece of information that directly proves Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, people of that school of thought find something wrong with it.
My personal favorite is when someone found a birth announcement for him printed a couple of days after his date of birth in the Honolulu newspaper that also listed the names of his parents. I’ve actually read where people have argued that such an announcement could have been faked in 1961 to set up some sort of “Manchurian Candidate” scenario.
The birth certificate the Obama campaign released is the one you get if you were born in Hawaii and order your birth certificate to get a U.S. passport. It is what the state issues.
The problem with conspiracy theorists is that there goal is not to find out the truth, it’s to keep the conspiracy going for whatever personal reason. Engaging a conspiracy theorist substantively does nothing other than give him or her more material to spin into a silly web. THAT is why the Obama White House and the State of Hawaii choose to ignore birthers.
And on another note, don’t give Mr. Ralston too much credit for disavowing the birther theories. Note that he said he thinks the President was “duly elected.” He didn’t say something to the effect of “The President is a natural born citizen, and any theories to contrary have been completely debunked.”
The inability of Republican politicians to just state that plainly always amazes me. It shows how “out there” the Republican Party has become.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:53 am
@ JustMe: Lingle made a claim that she had her health director put out a news release while she was campaigning for McCain in October 2008 and this news release said Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. This is false. The health director did put out a news release on Oct. 31, 2008, but it only said that an “original birth certificate” was on record. It said NOTHING about where Obama was born. It said nothing about the authenticity of Obama’s jpg.
Several months later (July 2009), coinciding with a House resolution sponsored by Neil Abercrombie (then a HI state rep), the director released a second statement claiming that Obama was born in Hawaii. It did not say Obama was born in a hospital.
Not only did Lingle lie, but NOTHING in any of these statements confirms that Obama’s jpg is authentic. The director of health has statutory authority to release an actual copy of the certificate if she wants, but she refused. She could issue a legal verification of the record, but she refused. None of these statements is a legal verification of that jpg. None.
bart
March 2nd, 2011
10:54 am
Why the hell aren’t they dealing with jobs, the economy, tansportation, and water instead of wasting their time and our money dealing with emabarassing stuff like this? We need to throw them all out of office in the next election!
bart
March 2nd, 2011
10:54 am
transportation
Question
March 2nd, 2011
10:54 am
Where can I find the list of names that signed on this monumental waste of time and taxpayer money, eh, I mean bill?
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
10:55 am
ksdb, you need to quit getting your info from Whirled Nut Daily or forwarded e-mails. It’s not the Governor’s job to “find” anybody’s birth certificate. It’s the Director of Health’s job. She and the Registrar released an official statement saying the certificate is there, in full accordance with state policies and procedures.
Now, the Hawaii State DOH is one of those yellow people, so I understand how you don’t accept her official statement. But Hawaii does not place an undue burden of proof on people who don’t mark the “caucasian/white” box. It’s really not normal for those of us living in the 21st century.
bart
March 2nd, 2011
10:55 am
embarrassing…I can’t spell today. Looks like I’m about as dumb as they are!
Sounds like a Wimpy Move
March 2nd, 2011
10:57 am
Kudos to Mr. Ralston. This is nothing more than a political farce by some knuckleheads that we elected. The FBI and Secret Service have done the background check. The state of Hawaii confirmed President Obama’s cerificate is legimate. here is another fact that these genuises have ingore. Since his mother is a American citizen who was born in the state of Kansas, that makes the President a citizen of the U.S. regardless of where he was born. Do you want a copy of his mother’s birth certificate? Why is the certificate he used to obtain a passport not adequate enoough proof for the birthers? How about focussing on the real issues for which you were elected to address?
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
10:59 am
@ suckers, You don’t seem to understand who the real suckers are. There has been no piece of information that directly and LEGALLY confirms Obama was born in Hawaii. You mentioned the newspaper announcements from 1961, but what you don’t seem to understand is that these announcements did not list a place of birth. The state of Hawaii allows out-of-state births to be recorded in Hawaii and there is nothing under state law that precludes such births from being reported in the newspapers. We do know that the street address listed in that announcement is an address that Obama’s father never lived at. All that announcement proves is that a birth was registered with the state. That’s it.
Moderate Voice
March 2nd, 2011
10:59 am
Now is Ga infringing on another state. Hawaii says Obama was born there and uses its Filings as Proof. Thus one state is telling another state to change its Filing procedures. Yep State Rights in full effect.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
11:01 am
To those ashamed to live here….there’s the door. Bye. No one is forcing you to live here. There is quite a large amount of foreclosed homes up north along with a higher tax burden. If you are ashamed, there are alternatives. Nothing like a group of whining adults who take advantage of what Georgia has to offer but then complain like 5 year olds. Do us all a favor and just leave.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
11:01 am
@ aquagirl, what I’ve cited is from the original newspaper stories and from the state of Hawaii’s own website. You need to quit trying to build a strawman to knock down and focus on why two governors would tell outright lies to cover for Obama and why the president can’t be held to the same legal standard he voted for in confirming the authenticity of birth certificates.
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Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
11:03 am
You people are suckers
March 2nd, 2011
10:51 am
“The problem with conspiracy theorists is that there goal is not to find out the truth, it’s to keep the conspiracy going for whatever personal reason. Engaging a conspiracy theorist substantively does nothing other than give him or her more material to spin into a silly web. THAT is why the Obama White House and the State of Hawaii choose to ignore birthers.”
Absolutely. If you release a short-form certificate and birthers shriek “FAKE!!!11!!!” then why offer more documentation? So they can shriek “FAKE!!!11!!!!” Some more?
Don’t engage with hysterical drama queens.
GaBlue
March 2nd, 2011
11:04 am
Question @ 10:54,
I called my rep’s office yesterday afternoon to ask whether he was among the 94 for, or the 22 against. Could not get a straight answer from the secretary. Will call again today, and continue calling until I get one. Suggest everyone do the same. The reason our reps do such outrageously irresponsible things is that they believe no one is really paying attention.
Laughing At Republicans
March 2nd, 2011
11:04 am
You can really tell that the adults are in charge downtown! I would think they have much more important things to worry about. Don’t they know the Secret Service is in charge of vetting candidates for such high offices…NOT the idiots elected in Georgia. Too funny. Thank goodness not all the Rs were at recess when this came up.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
11:05 am
Sounds Wimpy – Background checks? Where is this info you speak of?
The birth certificate I have right now produced by the state of Tennessee says the man listed is my father. I was actually adopted at the age of six. So even though it swears this is the accurate info from my birth this document does not reflect the same info at the time of my birth. Ask anyone who has been adopted. What a legal birth certificate says NOW does not reflect the way it was actually at birth. This alone should let people know that what Obama produced does not conclusively rule out the way it was in 1961.
bart
March 2nd, 2011
11:08 am
Aquagirl, you’re right about this being a moot point in GA. Obama can’t win the State anyway. The problem is, this is an embarrassment to all of us in our state. And ksdb, you’re obviously getting your info from Fox and emails. Lingle, the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii, verified the birth certificate. Our legislature needs to be dealing with jobs, the economy, transportation, water, and education. GA is hurting and they don’t need to be wasting their time on this crap.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
11:09 am
Red
March 2nd, 2011
11:01 am
To those ashamed to live here….there’s the door. Bye. No one is forcing you to live here.
Well, time for the daily post—Why are some people proud Georgia sucks so badly, others are fleeing? If you cr@p in your pants it’ll clear the room out, but it’s not really a win for you, Red. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
pn
March 2nd, 2011
11:09 am
This bill and the vote on it are nothing but political theater to divert attention from the abysmal lack of productive accomplishments by our legislature. They continue to fiddle and pander while the state crumbles around them.
ECB
March 2nd, 2011
11:11 am
By the way, I’ve never seen George Bush’s birth certificate. Should we ask him to produce it? How about Reagan. He was so old when he was elected that I think he must have been born before Columbus. Did you ever see his birth certificate?
Real Athens
March 2nd, 2011
11:12 am
kdsb:
Get a life.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:14 am
@ faa q: “Dumb thought here guys. Instead of talking trash or allowing others to do it for him why not just show a copy of the original document? Boom done.”
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Boom, he did it, two years ago.
Accept it and move on.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
11:16 am
Sorry ksdb – fail … http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/feb/27/leo-berman/state-rep-leo-berman-says-hawaii-governor-cant-fin/
You have obviously been drinking way too much of the right-wing freak show koolade.
GaBlue
March 2nd, 2011
11:17 am
Hahaha! “If you cr@p in your pants it’ll clear the room out, but it’s not really a win for you, Red. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.”
Excellent.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
11:19 am
And if Lingle was campaigning for McCain (of course, they’re both Republicans) then why would she cover for Obama if it wasn’t true (which of course it is)?? That makes absolutely ZERO sense! But then again all of what the members of the right wing freak show known as birthers do makes ZERO sense.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:20 am
@ksdb: the state of Hawaii has NOT provided any official documents to the state of Georgia to confirm Obama’s nativity myth. That’s the whole point of this bill. A jpg on a website is not acceptable evidence of anything, especially when the state of Hawaii goes out of its way to avoid legally confirming its authenticity.
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You are avoiding the point. The document thatthe president posted on his website is a legal document issued by the stae of Hawaii. The state of Georgia HAS to accept it as valid proof that the president was born in Hawaii. If the State of Goergia refuses to accept it and demands that the state of Hawaii issue further proof, the president is entitled to go to court and have the court tell the state of Georgia to get its collective birther heads out of its asses and accept the document released by the stae of Hawaii.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
11:21 am
Aquagirl – is that the best you can do? Find me a better state to live in and I’ll rent the U-Haul for you. I never knew Georgia sucks so badly. Again, if it does, by all means…leave. I could care less what is a “win”. I just think it’s pretty childish and pathetic that people who live here do nothing but get on a blog and complain about it all the time. Well if it gets your unmentionables in a wad, do yourself a favor and leave. Find your utopia. I’ll help you pack.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:22 am
@ksdb “The current governor can’t find the original. He had his people look for it and now he claims that something is written down in the State Archives.”
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that story is a hoax. The guy who wrote the story admitted he made the whole thing up. Why do you persist in repeating a known lie?
JP
March 2nd, 2011
11:22 am
Why would Obama discourage birther talk? It takes away from legitimate beefs people have with the guy. Lump those that disagree with him into the same camp as the birthers and the independents will think they are all crazy. (Disclosure -I support O, but don’t agree with everything he has done)
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
11:23 am
JustMe, I’m sure ksdb will reject yet another current reality and substitute his/her own.
After all, you didn’t provide a certified long-form triple backflip copy of Politifact’s assessment, IT’S FAKE!!!11!!!
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:29 am
@justme: “The state of Hawaii has refused to verify that Obama’s jpg is genuine,”
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Which was entirely in accordance with existing privacy laws. Let me repeat that, under the law, the state CAN NOT release birth certificate information without the consent of the person involved.
Now let’s look at your statement one more time, from a different angle: “The state of Hawaii has refused to verify that Obama’s jpg is genuine,” It is a violation of Hawaiian state law to forge or alter a state issued document. If the JPG file on the internet was forged or altered, that would have been a violation of state law. Do you understand that? If the JPG image released by the president, or the document photographed by FactCheck were forged or altered, that would have been a violation of state law. The state is obligated to protect the integrity of its official documents. Therefore, if the documents in question were forged or altered, then the state would have been OBLIGATED to follow up on this as a violation of state law.
Please explain why you think they did not do this?
Mystified Independent
March 2nd, 2011
11:30 am
I believe John Boehner was born on that planet of the Orange People. I demand to see his birth certificate.
This entire charade is both ludicrous and disturbing.
I guess education, transportation, and the economy are just not important enough to warrant any attention from our legislature.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:30 am
@ JustMe, don’t forget that Lingle’s Attorney General was a hard core republican. Don’t you think he would have prosecuted Obama for forgery if he could have?
Red
March 2nd, 2011
11:32 am
Chilidog – go back and read my earlier post. Just as anyone adopted can attest, what a birth certificate says now does not mean the same thing as what it said at birth. I don’t know how else to repeatedly say this. What was released was a current version. This still does not verify what was stated on the form at the time of his birth.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:34 am
Red, are you claiming that Obama was adopted?
otherwise, your point is moot.
Beeg Boi
March 2nd, 2011
11:36 am
Red- What if Obama turns out to be a Kenyan? Then what? Why would that improve your life?
Matt
March 2nd, 2011
11:38 am
Wow, what a colossal waste of time.
The economy is in shambles, we are fighting two wars, and the government is about to shut down and this is what our state legislators are doing?
“Birthers” need to get a clue. As any government employee knows, they do background checks for every person that gets any kind of security clearance and the president is not exempt from this.
I think the secret service have better resources than a bunch of nutjobs who know how to make a website or two.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
11:41 am
Chilidog, you obviously misread what I said (or misunderstood the link to the article I posted) I never said I didn’t think they did this and yes, Lingle would have prosecuted Obama for perjury – which is exactly the point I was making with my post at 11:19. For some reason you seem to think I side with the birthers – trust me – I do not.
Native Atlantan2
March 2nd, 2011
11:42 am
@muggymug — who the heck really cares? My god….this is the least of our worries….
Larry Major
March 2nd, 2011
11:42 am
Let me explain this to you birthers.
To dispute the authenticity of the widely available Certification of Birth requires that you believe 1) the Hawaii Dept. of Health is involved in a conspiracy and 2) the Hawaii Dept. of Health has the technology to produce a forged document. Considering the numerous times Janice Okubo has publicly verified the displayed certificate, lacking a belief in either of these two points would make producing a forged document impossible.
The problem is, any “long form” or further documentation must come from the very people you think are conspiring and currently producing forged documents. You claim you will believe the next document they produce, but why would you?
Even if these were open records that anyone could access – which they are not – everything would still be produced by the same people using the same methods. Your assertion that you wouldn’t question additional documentation is nonsensical. That our lawmakers would do this is embarrassing.
td
March 2nd, 2011
11:43 am
I have said it before and I will say it again. What is the big deal? All Obama has to do is to do is to supply the documentation as required by the state of Georgia and his set of electors will be on the ballot. This bill will stop the controversy about him and any future candidates in the future.
All of you libs keep claiming he is legitimate so let us let him prove it and he then should get get a bump in the polls from independents and it could help him get re elected. Big Deal.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
11:45 am
@justMe, My applologies. It gets a bit confusing sometimes.
td
March 2nd, 2011
11:48 am
Matt
March 2nd, 2011
11:38 am
Wow, what a colossal waste of time.
The economy is in shambles, we are fighting two wars, and the government is about to shut down and this is what our state legislators are doing?
And what can our state legislators any of your points? The economy can not be manged by elected officials and the other tow points are with the Federal government not the state. Qualifications for elections are within the purview of the state legislature and they are taking up the issue for hearings.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
11:49 am
Red
March 2nd, 2011
11:21 am
Aquagirl – is that the best you can do?
No, Red, it’s not my best, but it doesn’t take much to pwn a goober.
Also, adding another wet f@rt of “leave!!!” to your pantsload? Still not a winning strategy outside of the trailer park.
td
March 2nd, 2011
11:54 am
March 2nd, 2011
9:23 am
“Really? You don’t feel that having your constitutional right as an American citizen to vote for a candidate of your choosing stripped away from you is a big deal?”
Let us clear up one thing to start. You and I do not have a constitutional right to vote for any President. We vote for a set of electors that go to the electoral college and actually vote for the President. The set of electors can vote for whomever they choose to vote for. They do not have to follow the will of the people (this has happened several times in history). You also realize that in this state and most other states it is a winner take all system designed? This means that even though you and 40 something % of this state voted at the polls for the electors for Obama in the last election your votes did not get recognized in the official vote of Georgia. McCain’s electors won the majority of the votes so they went to the electoral college and ALL of the votes for Georgia went to McCain.
Second point, If Obama is not qualified to be President (not born on US soil) then you should not have the right to vote for his electors. This is really all his fault because he wants to play some silly game and not do what all of his predecessors did and open up all his life to public view. The media was to scared to call him on this because they did not want to be called racist so they let him get away with things that no other candidate for President has ever gotten away with.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
11:56 am
No worries, Chilidog, I just wanted to make it clear that I do not side with the crazies (and just for the record, because some people here seem to think that everyone that doesn’t immediately side with birthers must be liberals, I just want to say that I for one am actually a right leaning moderate independent).
Red
March 2nd, 2011
12:04 pm
Aquagirl – standing there and repeatedly saying “it stinks” doesn’t get you far either. If the stink bothers you do you keep standing there sniffing? Or do you like the smell? Or just like to complain? Do you have a fecal fetish?
Chili – nope. Never claim he was adopted. Point is not moot. Follow the logic. It’s simple. A birth certificate produced recently does not necessarily equate to the way it was at birth. I know that is a hard concept to grasp but it is true. Whether he is adopted or not has nothing to do with my point. I was using it as an example many more people of MANY states could relate to. But you seem to be stuck on the word ‘adopt’. Read the whole sentence and follow the logic.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
12:05 pm
And Aquagirl for the record, I’m not a goober. But you like to assume and generalize though. Nice try.
Shame of GA
March 2nd, 2011
12:07 pm
Georgia, our politicians were bought and paid for by corporations through the Citizens United supreme court ruling. Our politicians CAN’T do good for us because they were bought to do evil for wealthy America.
I’m waiting for my first comment to post.
YeahRight
March 2nd, 2011
12:08 pm
Maybe those 93 idiots need to spend some time in pre-K. They sure have proven their lack of knowledge and education – not to mention a serious lack of concern for what real problems we face.
Hazel
March 2nd, 2011
12:09 pm
The saddest point is that, unlike some who are just having fun poking at people and making a fuss, there seem to be people who ACTUALLY believe this, that there is a conspiracy that figured out, more than 50 years ago, that they needed to obscure the birthplace of this new baby. Why? The only job in the country that has a natural birth requirement is the President. So, they were thinking, just in case this kid becomes president, we had better make up a story about it now? Tell me how it happened. Provide an explanation that doesn’t require some (again) conspiracy that has all of the trappings of a Cold War spy story. And if you go with that, please tell me why they didn’t pick some European child to use instead? Because I’m sure it really seemed likely that the US would have a black President in the near future, even thou black people couldn’t vote in parts of Georgia.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
12:09 pm
@ Larry, you’re arguing another strawman argument. There’s no need to believe in any orchestrated conspiracy other than simply trying to keep Obama’s original birth certificate hidden from the public (for no obvious reason). There’s direct evidence that both governors Linda Lingle and Neil Abercrombie have lied to the public about Obama’s original birth certificate (which I detailed in earlier comments). The Spokesbabe Okubo has gone to extraordinary lengths to mislead and misinform. Her only statement saying Obama’s jpg was real was only based on her initial reaction that it “looked like” her own COLB. This is not a formal nor an official way to verify a legal document. The state of Hawaii has a procedure listed in their departmental rules for issuing legal verifications.
If you want to see a real long-form birth certificate, Eleanor Nordyke shared TWO from her twins born the day after Obama. Obama’s jpg is not an original birth certificate. You’ll see that the Nordyke certificates are signed by an attending physician as well as the mother.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2009/Jul/28/M1139416728.GIF
Matt
March 2nd, 2011
12:17 pm
You’re right td, the state legislators have little to do with international affairs or the pending shutdown, the economy is another matter.
My point is that with much bigger issues why does this keep coming up, at ANY level of government?
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
12:17 pm
Red
March 2nd, 2011
12:05 pm
And Aquagirl for the record, I’m not a goober.
Really? Then please submit a long-form certificate of non-goober status, with a raised seal, whipped cream, and cherry on top. Otherwise, you are obviously a lying Kenyan. Or Indonesian, or whatever y’all wackaloons are stuck on this week.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
12:19 pm
@ JustMe … the only FAIL is your Politifact article. These people have not done any factchecking but are instead spouting talking points designed to keep people like you and chilidog happy. The story you cited says:
“In the Star-Advertiser’s Jan. 18 published interview with Abercrombie, the governor was asked about his plan to release more information regarding Obama’s birth certificate. He responded that he wants to use information from the state archives about Obama’s birth. “This is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,” Abercrombie said.”
What Politifact did NOT do is go to the State Archives website to actually check Abercrombie’s claim, which is obviously a lie:
“The Vital Statistics Collection includes three types of records; births, marriages and deaths from 1826-1929.”
Obama claims to be born in 1961. There is nothing “written down” in the archives from 1961. Here’s a link to Hawaii’s State Archive page so you don’t have to take my word for it:
http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library?a=p&p=about&c=vitalsta&1=en&w=utf-8
Red
March 2nd, 2011
12:22 pm
Aquagirl – you are truly an intellectual giant. I aspire to be like you. My four year old can give a better response than name calling and cute little comments about feces and flatulence. And Georgians and goobers are the stupid ones?
td
March 2nd, 2011
12:29 pm
Matt
March 2nd, 2011
12:17 pm
You’re right td, the state legislators have little to do with international affairs or the pending shutdown, the economy is another matter.
My point is that with much bigger issues why does this keep coming up, at ANY level of government?
I think the once and for all proof that our current and any future President is legitimate is an important issue. To me this is on the same level as non-qualified people going to the polls and voting. It means the rule of law is not being upheld and our whole form of government is not legitimate.
I think Obama can clear it up about himself in about 5 minutes so it is not that big of a deal. He just needs to stop playing games with a substantial number of the electorate and provide the correct documentation.
Nikita Khrushchev
March 2nd, 2011
12:29 pm
It is comforting to see my comrades “td” and “ksdb” continuing to foment political unrest so that my prediction that Amerika will crumble without a single gunshot will come to pass. Every day Amerika gets weaker and weaker as it is ripped in two by political ideology. I love it!
td
March 2nd, 2011
12:32 pm
Red
March 2nd, 2011
12:22 pm
Aquagirl – you are truly an intellectual giant. I aspire to be like you. My four year old can give a better response than name calling and cute little comments about feces and flatulence. And Georgians and goobers are the stupid ones?
Red my friend you are wasting your time with this one. I have been one these blogs for months and she is a true bleeding heart communist that hates this country and wants to see it fail. I have seen her support such things and open borders to saying the sky is black if a conservative said it was blue.
vernon
March 2nd, 2011
12:35 pm
I can only assume that Mark Hatfield has his eye on higher office and he’s doing this to boost his profile statewide among the hardcore Obama-hating fringe.
td
March 2nd, 2011
12:36 pm
Nikita Khrushchev
March 2nd, 2011
12:29 pm
It is comforting to see my comrades “td” and “ksdb” continuing to foment political unrest so that my prediction that Amerika will crumble without a single gunshot will come to pass. Every day Amerika gets weaker and weaker as it is ripped in two by political ideology. I love it!
So what you are really saying is if the conservatives do not bow to the feet of the far left (communist) then they are going to intentionally ruin the country. Well maybe it is time for a right wing version of Stalin to come along and start some purging of the communist?
td
March 2nd, 2011
12:37 pm
vernon
March 2nd, 2011
12:35 pm
I can only assume that Mark Hatfield has his eye on higher office and he’s doing this to boost his profile statewide among the hardcore Obama-hating fringe.
You mean the 55 to 60% of the population of this state?
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
12:43 pm
td, we finally agree on something! Red is most certainly wasting his time.
We should celebrate this momentous occasion with a round of “Kumbyah.”
GaBlue
March 2nd, 2011
12:47 pm
Lunchtime jolt:
Can’t get a straight answer from my Republican rep’s office on whether he was among the 94 or the 22. They transferred me around a couple times and then started explaining to me how it has not come to the floor for a vote yet. I reiterated: The newspapers are reporting that yesterday, 2/2/11, 94 Republican house reps signed on to HB401, and 22 did not. Among which group was MY represntative?
She says they’ll call me back on that. Heh…
Red
March 2nd, 2011
12:54 pm
Aquagirl – I’m just pointing out the obvious with you. As a goober said “you can’t fix stupid”. Moving on to high school might help with you…’might’ being the operative word. Check your song title as well. Komsomol should have taught spelling.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
12:55 pm
Red
You are a Goober as is anyone who spends 2 seconds trying to rationalize this idiocy. And yes I am calling names here and no I don’t want to have an intellectual discussion on this as there is no way to have any sort of discussion on SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT MATTER!!!
So there you are Goober. And your little dog Toto too. (that was aimed right at you both “td” and “ksdb”, just so there is no mistaking.)
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
1:07 pm
@ Bourne, are you really this insecure about having a presidential candidate held to the same standards you and I are held to … the same standards Obama voted for but will not allow for himself??
td
March 2nd, 2011
1:08 pm
GaBlue
March 2nd, 2011
12:47 pm
Lunchtime jolt:
Can’t get a straight answer from my Republican rep’s office on whether he was among the 94 or the 22. They transferred me around a couple times and then started explaining to me how it has not come to the floor for a vote yet. I reiterated: The newspapers are reporting that yesterday, 2/2/11, 94 Republican house reps signed on to HB401, and 22 did not. Among which group was MY represntative?
She says they’ll call me back on that. Heh
Please keep us in the loop. If your rep is not then I would like to help organize a primary challenge.
td
March 2nd, 2011
1:11 pm
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
12:55 pm
Red
You are a Goober as is anyone who spends 2 seconds trying to rationalize this idiocy. And yes I am calling names here and no I don’t want to have an intellectual discussion on this as there is no way to have any sort of discussion on SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT MATTER!!!
So there you are Goober. And your little dog Toto too. (that was aimed right at you both “td” and “ksdb”, just so there is no mistaking.)
Good thing you are in the minority and have nothing to do with the decisions being made in this state.
td
March 2nd, 2011
1:13 pm
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
1:07 pm
@ Bourne, are you really this insecure about having a presidential candidate held to the same standards you and I are held to … the same standards Obama voted for but will not allow for himself??
Yes he and other liberals like him are that insecure or a better word is self centered. Like one of them said earlier: If we do not have it our way then we are going to ruin this country.
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
1:29 pm
Oh B.S. ksdb. It was proven false, because there was absolutely no prove to that accusation. You’re an idiot who just needs to crawl back into the hole you crawled out of that obviously houses the likes of lunatics like you, td, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, etc …, etc …, etc …
And just where did you pull your information off of the State of Hawaii’s website and which articles? Please provide links please, because I can’t find any of what you’re saying on the State of Hawaii’s website and everything they do say on the subject is contrary to what you have said and any articles I have found are all from right-wing lunatics who aren’t exactly what anyone in their right mind would call credible.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
1:31 pm
@ td “I have said it before and I will say it again. What is the big deal? All Obama has to do is to do is to supply the documentation as required by the state of Georgia.”
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The documentation required by the state of Georgia sets unconstituional eligibilty standards.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:32 pm
td,
Yep, if the definition of liberal is someone who thinks you are a Goober for even entertaining a discussion on this lunacy then I AM A LIBERAL!!!!! If the definition of pond scum is someone who thinks you are a Goober for even entertaining a discussion on this lunacy then I AM POND SCUM!!!!!
If thinking rationally and not wasting time wringing my hands over THINGS THAT DO NOT MATTER makes me anything in the world…. insecure, liberal, pond scum, toe jam, snot rocket… then I will stand up and proudly announce to the world that I am all of those things.
If you and others like you, who refuse to see THAT THIS IS A NON-ISSUE THAT MEANS NOTHING are the majority then my happy a** will gladly remain in the minority.
Keep playing this fiddle Nero, we can use the ashes of Rome to make ink.
Goober
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:35 pm
And that goes for you too ksdb.
Goober
Red
March 2nd, 2011
1:37 pm
Bourne – so Constitutional requirements do not matter? How dare I actually hold someone to the standards of the Constitution. Who needs a Constitution? Who needs laws for that matter?
Daniel
March 2nd, 2011
1:38 pm
Some of these politicians hold grudges and keep trying to dredge up something that has been proven time and time again. What makes Georgia politicians think the citizens of Hawaii don’t have the integrity and intelligence to have legitimate proof of President Obama’s birth. These Ultra Conservitve Birther Politicians are really setting themselves up to be so ISOLATED and High and Mighty. They are in for the Biggest Fall!!!!
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
1:38 pm
Let’s be perfectly clear here. This birther bill is the modern day equivalent of the infamous “Literacy Tests” used in the 1950s to discourage African Americans from registering to vote.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
1:39 pm
Aqua Bourne have sent the maturity level of the blog down to the Justin Bieber fan club level at best….the intellectual level went down to NickJr level.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
1:39 pm
@ red: “so Constitutional requirements do not matter?”
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you are not allowed to make up your own requirments in addition to the constituional requirments.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:40 pm
Red,
I’m not getting into this discussion. I’m just going to call a Goober a Goober.
Goober.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
1:40 pm
Chilidog – you are comparing a Constitutional requirement to elected office to a civil rights issue? A Constitutional requirement to keeping a race of people from voting. Wow.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
1:41 pm
Chili – how is this making up an additional requirement?
muggymug
March 2nd, 2011
1:44 pm
It takes seconds to show a birth certificate. We all knew a little something about Bush 43. We all knew something about Carter, Reagan, etc…. Obama burst onto the scene. There he was. And now he won’t release the records that all of the other Presidents released. HMMMMMMMMMM!
muggymug
March 2nd, 2011
1:45 pm
I really dont understand what some of you people are scared of. This should be a piece of cake.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:46 pm
I’m proud to have taken this particular blog subject down to Bieber Fever. Discussing his popularity makes about as much sense as discussing this non-issue with the Goobers.
Yeah, that’s you Red, You too td. And you ksdb. And any other Goober who would waste one brain cell and a millisecond acting like this is a real issue.
It’s a straw man argument Goobers. Sad thing is you fell for it.
Look over here, it’s something shiny.
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
1:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medium#t=19
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
1:53 pm
The article at Wikipedia on all of this is very interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:54 pm
muggymug,
It’s not that we’re scared. It’s just that we don’t care about non-issues that don’t matter.
Goober.
Red
March 2nd, 2011
1:54 pm
Bourne – strawman argument? Really? Do you even know what a strawman argument is? This is not a difficult issue. If the guy was capable of proving it he would have done so long ago. A currently produced birth certificate proves nothing of what happened in 1961. This is fact. Anyone in vital records can assert to that fact. The fact is all Obama can do to verify anything to do with his birth is a currently produced certificate. And fact is that the White House has released conflicting info on the hospital he was born in. They cannot even get that straight.
If he wanted to show people as being out of touch and idiotic he would release the hospital and the state, county, and city governments on ALL documentation. It would be the greatest way to discredit a mass group of people. Why can he not do that? If I had the means of shutting up and completely discrediting so many people, I would say feel free to dig in my garbage or any other source.
Obama’s little friend, current governor Abercrombie said he implored (it’s not too big of a word for you is it?) Obama to release the records. He tried with no luck. Why?
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:55 pm
And it pisses us off when our employees waste time on Facebook, playing Angry Birds, or passing legislation that is meaningless on company time.
Goober.
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
1:56 pm
Chilidog:
“you are not allowed to make up your own requirments in addition to the constituional requirments.”
Hells bells, we are talking about a Constitutional requirement. Obama, as well as all candidates are subject to the same requirements. Maybe you feel that Obama is “entitled” to skirt the requirements since he is that holiest of colors – blacl?
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
1:57 pm
“blacl” should read “black”.
Polo
March 2nd, 2011
1:58 pm
Atlanta…Imagine if we could buy alcohol on Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TOM_UuQzc0
Red
March 2nd, 2011
1:59 pm
“non-issues that don’t matter” – seeing half the nonsense Liberals rant and rave about, I know this is a bold faced lie. Sarah Palin is not even in office but yet every leftist blog, talk show, etc. does nothing but whine and rant about her. For someone who “don’t matter” she surely gets a lot of attention. And Bourne, for this topic that doesn’t matter, why are you so wound up about it? You sure are spending a lot of time thinking of a name to call people over and over. It’s amazing how much time you are wasting on here for something that clearly does not matter.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
1:59 pm
Yes I know what a strawman argument is and this is one. You don’t like the President and you feel frustrated. And since there is nothing you can do about it you concoct all this bulls**t that has no meaning and rail against it as if it has some significance.
And that is as substantive as I’m going to get on this. I’d rather just point out that you are a Goober. More fun and just as accurate.
Look, here’s my keys. “jingle jingle”
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:00 pm
@red: “how is this making up an additional requirement?”
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Red, please point out the language in the U.S. Constitution that requires that the president be born in a hospital to an attending physician. Please point out the constitutional eligibility requirements that are satisfied by knowing the birthplace of the candidate’s parents, and who the witnesses to the birth are. Please explain how requiring the submission of baptismal records does not violate Article VI of the constitution (no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.)
Please explain what part of the U.S. Constitution specifically forbids “Dual Citizenship” and explain why this prohibition did not apply to Thomas Jefferson. Also, please explain why the Georgia requirement for no “dual Citizenship” does not cede our national sovereignty to a foreign country.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:01 pm
It didn’t take me any time to come up with Goober. In fact I stole it from you.
And calling you a Goober is fun and since I’m out sick today I’ve nothing else to do, kind of like the idiots under the Dome promoting this.
jingle jingle Goober
td
March 2nd, 2011
2:02 pm
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
1:31 pm
@ td “I have said it before and I will say it again. What is the big deal? All Obama has to do is to do is to supply the documentation as required by the state of Georgia.”
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The documentation required by the state of Georgia sets unconstituional eligibilty standards
The state can set up any criteria it wants to select Presidential electors. Do you agree that the state of Georgia has the right to keep the Constitutional party, Green Party and Communist party electors off the ballot in Georgia? They do so how can they legally do it under your interpretation of Federalism? Do you agree that the state has the right to not let any convicted felons vote? They do so how do they get away with it?
I submit to you that the state of Georgia or any other state can pass a law that says the legislature will vote for the electors of the parties and it would pass constitutional muster.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:08 pm
To expand on an earlier point. HB401 requires that any candidate file an affidavit that they were never a “dual citizen.”
Now the United States does not have the power to grant dual citizenship. It only has the power to grant U.S. citizenship.
The only way to get dual citizenship is for a foreign country to grant it. Therefore, by denying eligibility to those who may currently or historically have held dual citizenship is to put the authority to determine the eligibility, not in the hands of the United States, but under the control of a foreign nation. In effect, the dual citizenship part of HB401 cedes the Sovereign authority of the United States to determine for herself who she deems eligible for office.
To put this another way. If a foreign nation, Abania, for instance, were to pas a law stating that all right handed people in North America were automatically Albanian citizens, then under HB401, only left handed persons could run for president.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:12 pm
You know, you Goobers take such umbrage at me calling you Goobers, but you feel very comfortable calling me a Liberal based on nothing more than the fact that I disagree with you and think this whole thing is meaningless. I’ve made no political comments here that reveal my political leanings at all. Just my conviction that you all are a bunch of Goobers.
jingle jingle
td
March 2nd, 2011
2:16 pm
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:12 pm
Let us see if you have the intellectual capacity to answer the questions and have any comments that I made to another poster or are you just a name calling intellectual child?
The state can set up any criteria it wants to select Presidential electors. Do you agree that the state of Georgia has the right to keep the Constitutional party, Green Party and Communist party electors off the ballot in Georgia? They do so how can they legally do it under your interpretation of Federalism? Do you agree that the state has the right to not let any convicted felons vote? They do so how do they get away with it?
I submit to you that the state of Georgia or any other state can pass a law that says the legislature will vote for the electors of the parties and it would pass constitutional muster.
Shame of GA
March 2nd, 2011
2:19 pm
I guess my comment got caught up in the filter. Hmmm
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:19 pm
@last man Standing: “Hells bells, we are talking about a Constitutional requirement. Obama, as well as all candidates are subject to the same requirements.”
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Those constituional requiremnts are thus, the president has to have been born a U.S. citizen, be over the age of 35, and have been a resident of the United States for the past 14 years.
HB 401 is tacking on a bunch of additional requirments that are not in the constituion.
Shame of GA
March 2nd, 2011
2:23 pm
Racism at its best. With 2012 coming, thugs and tea peep don’t want President Obama on the ticket. They feel they can’t beat him, so there’s this all out effort to discredit him.
White folk sure are evil people. I bet even God is ashamed.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:24 pm
td,
I am a name calling intellectual child.
Either that or I refuse to validate your argument on this meaningless nonsense with any response other than to reaffirm my conviction that anyone who buys into this and attempts to rationalize and justify a position on this lunacy is a Goober.
And under my personal syllogism you are said Goober.
jingle jingle
Red
March 2nd, 2011
2:24 pm
Chili – please go and read the bill. Your assumptions stated above are way off. Religious test? Baptismal records are merely one of many items. This is not a religious test. Go back and do more research on what “religious test” means.
As for Jefferson with dual citizenship – do you have proof of this? As a historian I’ve read the theories but have only seen where the “sources” of this info were political rivals during his time posting this in newspapers to discredit him.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:26 pm
Oops. Left Last Man Standing off the list of citizens of Goobertown. Sorry Man, don’t want you to feel left out.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:29 pm
“I’ve read the theories but have only seen where the “sources” of this info were political rivals during his time posting this in newspapers to discredit him.”
Jeez. I’m not even going to comment on how relatable that is to this whole meaningless crap. Way to go Red. Do you even read what you are writing?
td
March 2nd, 2011
2:31 pm
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:24 pm
td,
I am a name calling intellectual child.
Either that or I refuse to validate your argument on this meaningless nonsense with any response other than to reaffirm my conviction that anyone who buys into this and attempts to rationalize and justify a position on this lunacy is a Goober.
And under my personal syllogism you are said Goober.
jingle jingle
Thank you for proving my point. Your comments are irrelevant from this point forward. It is to bad we can not invoke a literacy test for you and cancel your unintelligent vote away.
Be good and I will pray that God gives you some additional intelligence.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:32 pm
@red: “Religious test? Baptismal records are merely one of many items.”
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Red, if a candidate is from a state that issues digtal foms, like Hawaii, missouri, indiana, etc, then HB 401 REQUIRED baptisma records to be submited
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If the foregoing described certified exact copy of the candidate’s first original long-form birth certificate is not attached and the candidate’s affidavit indicates that a first original long-form birth certificate for the candidate does not exist, the candidate shall attach certified exact copies of other original documentation, INCLUDING, but not limited to, the candidate’s birth records, adoption records, BAPTISM RECORDS, Social Security records, medical records, school and college records, military records, and passport records showing, either individually or collectively, that the candidate meets the natural born citizenship, age, and residency requirements prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution
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Requirng the submission of baptism records completely violates the U.S Constitution.
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
2:32 pm
Bourne Penetration:
Thanks, and I here by dub you “Smoke Pooper” – a name more befitting you.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
2:33 pm
@ Nikita: How does holding Obama to the same standards that you and I have to meet when we submit a birth certificate (and that OBAMA VOTED FOR in 2005) create “political unrest”?? States have a legal right to regulate their own elections process. Requiring proper and verifiable identification from a presidential candidate is no cause for unrest.
td
March 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:32 pm
Why do you not comment on my questions? Will repost them for you.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
1:31 pm
@ td “I have said it before and I will say it again. What is the big deal? All Obama has to do is to do is to supply the documentation as required by the state of Georgia.”
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The documentation required by the state of Georgia sets unconstituional eligibilty standards
The state can set up any criteria it wants to select Presidential electors. Do you agree that the state of Georgia has the right to keep the Constitutional party, Green Party and Communist party electors off the ballot in Georgia? They do so how can they legally do it under your interpretation of Federalism? Do you agree that the state has the right to not let any convicted felons vote? They do so how do they get away with it?
I submit to you that the state of Georgia or any other state can pass a law that says the legislature will vote for the electors of the parties and it would pass constitutional muster.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Red, please point out the language in the U.S. Constitution that requires that the president be born in a hospital to an attending physician. Please point out the constitutional eligibility requirements that are satisfied by knowing the birthplace of the candidate’s parents, and who the witnesses to the birth are. Please explain how requiring the submission of baptismal records does not violate Article VI of the constitution (no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.)
Please explain what part of the U.S. Constitution specifically forbids “Dual Citizenship” and explain why this prohibition did not apply to Thomas Jefferson. Also, please explain why the Georgia requirement for no “dual Citizenship” does not cede our national sovereignty to a foreign country.
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Obama has spent a ton of money HIDING many of his records.
Hmmmm . . .
JustMe
March 2nd, 2011
2:37 pm
They feel they can’t beat him, so there’s this all out effort to discredit him.
The thing is that there is no way Obama would ever win Georgia – we have too many right wing fringe lunatics in this state for that to ever happen (for him to win that is). So really the whole idea of passing this bill in Georgia is just truly a supreme waste of time.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
2:40 pm
I like Smoke Pooper. I like it a lot. Thanks man.
And I’m proud that an intellectual giant such as td as made me irrelevant. Now if he (or she I suppose) had the capacity to see the irony in the statement of my irrelevancy when he (or she I suppose) has spent the better part of a day arguing an irrelevant, silly, meaningless position. And as I have stated, if refusing to argue over the color of the shades in the Waffle House means I lack intelligence then I am proud to trumpet my stupidity.
Your house is on fire td, but look over here, it’s a shiny new quarter.
Hee hee.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
2:46 pm
@ chilidog: Do you want to sue the State Department for violating the Constitution?? This is what’s on a DS-11 passport form:
“If no birth record exists: Submit a registrar’s notice to that effect. Also, submit a combination of the following evidence: an early baptismal or circumcision certificate, hospital birth record, early census, school, medical, or family Bible records, or newspapers or insurance files.”
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/79955.pdf
Shame of GA
March 2nd, 2011
2:49 pm
Just GA, yes, a waste of time, but look how it’s spreading to so many states. It’s part of a concerted effort and strategy. Instructions to the bought and paid for governors by the powers that bought them.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:49 pm
td, the state can not deny registered parties and qualified candidates from being on the ballot in the general election. they do restrict the primaries to the biggest parties, however.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:50 pm
ksdb, a passport is not the same as running for office.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:51 pm
@last man Standing: “Obama has spent a ton of money HIDING many of his records.”
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Prove it.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
2:54 pm
@ chilidog; You said “Requirng the submission of baptism records completely violates the U.S Constitution.” Why would it be okay for the state department to require such a submission but not your state elections board?? Your claim doesn’t any sense.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Ksdb, did you read your quote?
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Also, submit a COMBINATION of the following evidence: an early baptismal or circumcision certificate, hospital birth record, early census, school, medical, or family Bible records, or newspapers or insurance files.”
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in other words, the state department does not require baptismal records, but the will accept them as evidence.
HB 401 REQUIRES baptismal records.
The bill was written by a bunch of morons.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
2:57 pm
@ childdog: You said, “td, the state can not deny registered parties and qualified candidates from being on the ballot in the general election.” The key word is “qualified.” The submission of a legal birth certificate (or secondary identification records) is what your state would use to determine whether a candidate is qualified or not. Currently states only use a self-sworn affadavit. Requiring proper identification does not create an unreasonable burden. It’s time to quit making excuses.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
3:01 pm
@ksdb “The submission of a legal birth certificate (or secondary identification records) is what your state would use to determine whether a candidate is qualified or not.”
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So, you are saying that all Obama needs to do is to presents a legal birth certificate?
The state issued COLB form is a legal birth certificate.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
3:03 pm
To repeat an earlier point. HB401 requires that any candidate file an affidavit that they were never a “dual citizen.”
Now the United States does not have the power to grant dual citizenship. It only has the power to grant U.S. citizenship.
The only way to get dual citizenship is for a foreign country to grant it. Therefore, by denying eligibility to those who may currently or historically have held dual citizenship is to put the authority to determine the eligibility, not in the hands of the United States, but under the control of a foreign nation. In effect, the dual citizenship part of HB401 cedes the Sovereign authority of the United States to determine for herself who she deems eligible for office.
To put this another way. If a foreign nation, Abania, for instance, were to pas a law stating that all right handed people in North America were automatically Albanian citizens, then under HB401, only left handed persons could run for president.
HB401 was writen by idiots.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:03 pm
@ Chilidog: The bill doesn’t require a baptism record. It’s simply one of several items on a list of secondary records that can be submitted in the absence of legal birth certificate. Notice the part about “military records.” Do you presume that to mean that they’ll only accept presidential candidates who have served in the military?? You’re letting your faitherism for Obama cloud your reading skills.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:05 pm
childdog: A COLB is only a legal birth certificate if it contains enough elements to show that it is certified. Obama’s jpg, by contrast, is not a legal birth certificate.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
3:07 pm
ksdb: “childdog: A COLB is only a legal birth certificate if it contains enough elements to show that it is certified”
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The photographs taken by the fact check team clearly show the certification stamp, signature and date.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
3:08 pm
ksdb: “The bill doesn’t require a baptism record. It’s simply one of several items on a list of secondary records that can be submitted in the absence of legal birth certificate. Notice the part about “military records.” Do you presume that to mean that they’ll only accept presidential candidates who have served in the military??”
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Actually, as the bill is written, yes.
It’s a poorly written bill with both fundamental and superficial defects.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:14 pm
@ chilldog: The factlack dot org photos with the certification stamps do not show enough of the document to establish whether it is on Obama’s alleged COLB or somebody else’s COLB. It’s good slight of hand, but far from being legally conclusive. The issuing agency never confirmed that these photos are genuine nor did they confirm that Obama’s COLB is genuine or legal.
Mojacket
March 2nd, 2011
3:21 pm
Who cares? His mother is a citizen. Thus he is a citizen. As soon as people get the ‘long form birth certificate’ they so crave to see, they are going to be asking for DNA matching. And then it is going to be ‘well, they doctored the results.’ Face it people, the conspiracy to make him a US citizen would have had to start in 1961 and unless you really believe that movie ‘The Adjustment Bureau’, this is a huge waste of time.
And I’ve yet to see John McCain’s birth certificate, and I know he was born in a foreign country, just in a section under US control.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
3:24 pm
If the foregoing described certified exact copy of the candidate’s first original long-form birth certificate is not attached and the candidate’s affidavit indicates that a first original long-form birth certificate for the candidate does not exist, the candidate shall attach certified exact copies of other original documentation, INCLUDING, but not limited to, the candidate’s birth records, adoption records, BAPTISM RECORDS, Social Security records, medical records, school and college records, military records, and passport records showing, either individually or collectively, that the candidate meets the natural born citizenship, age, and residency requirements prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution
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There are no options in the above, if you are from a state that is in the modern digital age, and issues short format birth certificates, then HB401 REQUIRES that you submit the above information. There is no wording that makes any of that optional. for instance, if instead of the word “Including” the bill used the words: “FOR EXAMPLE” then the required items would be optional.
In any case, the state of Georgia can not require anything other than a certified birth certificate. They can not dictate the format or the information required on that certified birth certificate other than the minimum set forth under federal law. Which is what the COLB provides.
Furthermore, the state of Georgia can not require an affidavit regarding dual citizenship as such is not a qualification requirement under the U.S. constitution.
This is nothing more than a legacy of the same racist hatred that existed behind the infamous Literacy Tests of the 50’s and 60’s.
Later losers
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
3:25 pm
ksdb: chilldog: The factlack dot org photos with the certification stamps do not show enough of the document to establish whether it is on Obama’s alleged COLB or somebody else’s COLB.
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oh, good grief.
you are beyond help.
Me
March 2nd, 2011
3:30 pm
It seems a violation of the constitution for a state to create requirements for federal office seekers
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:41 pm
@ “Me” The natural born citizenship requirement is in the United States Constitution. The eligibility bill is only creating a procedure for enforcing this requirement. The federal government does not hold nor administer elections, so it is within proper jurisdiction for your state to establish procedural rules for establishing the eligibility of candidates to appear on your state’s election ballots.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:46 pm
This needs to be repeated: Obama voted for a federal law in 2005 that requires your state to verify the validity of your birth certificate from the issuing agency when you use it to apply for a drivers license or ID card. The eligibility bill does nothing more than hold presidential candidates to the same standard that Obama voted for in 2005. The alarming part is that such a law doesn’t already exist and that presidential candidates have never been required to prove their eligibility for office before. Get behind your legislature and pass this bill.
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
3:46 pm
Chilidog,
This is why I refused to join the debate and just went straight to calling a Goober a Goober.
Me,
I wouldn’t even start with these Goobers. No matter what is said they will have some half baked answer while refusing to see that….wait for it….NONE OF THIS MATTERS.
jingle jingle Goobers
Bourne Penetration
March 2nd, 2011
3:47 pm
This needs to be repeated…..ksdb is a Goober of the first and highest order.
So sayeth the irrelevant one.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm
I hope those tears aren’t ruining your keyboard, B.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
3:53 pm
One more time for the literate folks in Georgia: Obama voted for a federal law in 2005 that requires your state to verify the validity of your birth certificate from the issuing agency when you use it to apply for a drivers license or ID card. The eligibility bill does nothing more than hold presidential candidates to the same standard that Obama voted for in 2005. The alarming part is that such a law doesn’t already exist and that presidential candidates have never been required to prove their eligibility for office before. Get behind your legislature and pass this bill.
Last Man Standing
March 2nd, 2011
3:57 pm
Chilidog:
Obama’s first act as President EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 banning release of any of his records
Fewderation of American Scientists ^
Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:19:37 PM by kaizen
THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 21, 2009
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 – - – - – - –
PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) “Archivist” refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee. (b) “NARA” refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.
(c) “Presidential Records Act” refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
(d) “NARA regulations” refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
(e) “Presidential records” refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.
(f) “Former President” refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
(g) A “substantial question of executive privilege” exists if NARA’s disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.
(h) A “final court order” is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative. (b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.
Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.
(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.
(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.
(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.
Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist’s determination as to whether to honor the former President’s claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist’s determination with respect to the former President’s claim of privilege.
(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009.
td
March 2nd, 2011
4:20 pm
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
2:49 pm
td, the state can not deny registered parties and qualified candidates from being on the ballot in the general election. they do restrict the primaries to the biggest parties, however.
That is totally false. The Constitutional Party, green party and communist party are three examples of “registared parties” that are not on the general election ballot in Georgia and many other states. If I am not mistaken Ross Perot’s party received 10% of the vote, was a “nationally registared party” and was not on the ballot in 8 states (including California). How did these states get away with this? Under you synopsis this would be illegal. Right?
What about my other point about you and I do not have the right to vote for the President and what if the state decided to let the legislature only vote for the electors?
double
March 2nd, 2011
4:20 pm
Denise last time I checked Georgia was first in Bank failures.
Chilidog
March 2nd, 2011
4:38 pm
ksdp, Georgia does have this countries most restrictive ballot access laws.
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0691.html
However, that has nothing to do with HB401.
Admit it, HB401 is a political attack on Obama.
(one that will fail)
I actually hope it passes. the entertainment value as the Georgia birthers get all hot and bothered over this will be huge. Especially when they lose in court.
phil
March 2nd, 2011
4:42 pm
Why not pass a bill that all candidates prove their citizenship and not just Obama. Problem solved.
Phoenix Falcon
March 2nd, 2011
5:01 pm
typical white people doing what they do…………..just curious….
how many WHITE presidents had to show their birth certificate?????????
Phoenix Falcon
March 2nd, 2011
5:02 pm
@phil
because there is only one BLACK president.
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
5:44 pm
@ chilldog; How is this an attack on Obama if he can provide a legal birth certificate?? You faithers whine and make excuses. If Obama is legit, this shouldn’t prevent him from being on the ballot again.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
5:58 pm
“How is this an attack on Obama if he can provide a legal birth certificate??”
He did. Right on the bottom of the certificate of live birth you can see yourself: “this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
The officials in Hawaii are quite clear: he was born there, his records are on file, and he’s a citizen.
Oh, YOU want a copy of some other piece of paper in your little birfer hands? Tough noogies. We’re past the time when black folk jump through extra hoops just because you like to see them perform. He’s not going to shuffle and yessir and tap dance, and boy, that just chaps your bum big time. Boo-hoo. Poor oppressed wingnut.
Now go make yourself useful—-Jingle jingle jingle!
Shame of GA
March 2nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Why not pass a bill where anyone wanting to run for ANY political office MUST have education beyond high school with specific training in political science and all areas that will relate to what they will be doing. No more waking up one morning, stretching, and saying to oneself, “I think I will run for political office. I think I’ll be perfect to help make major decisions on the lives of my fellow Americans.” Bingo, the shingle is out, lies begin, cheating, stealing, ruining a nation. REQUIRE EDUCATION. The dude governing Wisconsin has a mere high school diploma. SHAME!
ksdb
March 2nd, 2011
6:08 pm
@ aquagirl: Obama has never presented his jpg in any court proceeding. No recognized legal authority has ever been able to inspect it and determine its authenticity. A couple of interns at a self-proclaimed fact-checking site is not a legal authority. The officials in Hawaii have used deliberately misleading language to fool people like you, quite successfully I might add. A bona fide birth certificate would be self-authenticating evidence in a court of law. It would be the ONE and ONLY document that is need to verify place of birth, yet the director of the Hawaii Department of Health surreptitiously changed her verbiage from “original birth certificate” in October 2008 to “original vital records” (as in multiple records) in July 2009 to supposedly verify in the latter statement that Obama was born in Hawaii. Whatever additional records she is referencing have no apparent legal weight, especially when they are not presented. Under Hawaiian law, any records used to make such a public statement are supposed to be avialable for inspection, yet the health director has refused to disclose ANY records. It amounts to nothing more than hearsay, but it does prove that Obama’s original birth certificate is insufficient to verify a place of birth.
One more time: Obama voted for a federal law in 2005 that requires your state to verify the validity of your birth certificate from the issuing agency when you use it to apply for a drivers license or ID card. The eligibility bill does nothing more than hold presidential candidates to the same standard that Obama voted for in 2005. It’s time to quit making excuses for this charlatan. He pledged transparency but has failed to deliver.
Aquagirl
March 2nd, 2011
6:42 pm
“No recognized legal authority has ever been able to inspect it and determine its authenticity.”
What, the Director of the State Dept. of Health isn’t a recognized legal authority? Oh, I forgot, she’s not only yellow, she’s a woman. Sorry, chum, courts recognize her, even if you don’t.
Which they have. Your interwebs lawyering is an epic fail, especially since you think it’s sooooo sinister the Governor of Hawaii said “archives” instead of :
“all the freakin’ records we have here in Hawaii, which is an unwieldy phrase, but I better use it since archives are technically not where you find current records, and some nutcase on the AJC boards will seize up over my casual verbiage and post a link to our archives, then think it’s somehow proof of his banana brain accusations”
That doesn’t give you, or anyone else grounds to demand more documents or proof because you don’t like that one. You have to put forward substantial evidence for your claim. The courts agree. Every one of you dummies has been tossed out of court, sometimes with a substantial fine.
But please, continue your conspiracy-babble. I’d actually LOVE to see this pass, and watch Georgia get a reaming in court. It would serve the dual purpose of alienating independent voters from the Republicans.
Yep, a win-win situation for Obama and the rest of the sane world. So I’ll stop distracting you so you can go fire up the other wingnuts and dig your own grave.
Dave
March 2nd, 2011
6:50 pm
An idiotic bill as many have said. Two things. One, it seems my representative, Mike Jacobs, hasn’t signed on, unless he is hiding down at the bottom of the scan where it cuts off, which is good. Two, I think they ought to bring this thing to the floor and vote on it. Why? Many are complaining, including me, about the failure to bring the Sunday sales bill to the Senate floor – fill in your own argument about why it is wrong to be bottled up by Senate Republicans. Speaker Ralston should demand that his party bring this and Sunday sales to the respective floors for up or down votes so we know who’s for what. Some will be pleased with one vote and displeased with the other; but, at least “we the people” will know what the people we elected think. Damn, did I just type “we the people?”
Unreal
March 2nd, 2011
6:54 pm
I haven’t seen the birth certificates for any of the commentators on this piece. Therefore, you’re all illegitimate. You all could be Swedish for all I know. Probably hanging out at Ikea right now, you no good Swedish birthers.
On that note, I also haven’t seen birth certificates for the following politicians. Since I haven’t seen them personally, clearly, they all have to be Swedish. Why are they hiding them from my eyes?
Nathan Deal
Ronald Regan
George W Bush
George HW Bush
Sonny Perdue
Casey Cagle
Sam Olens
Brian Kemp
Mark Butler
Tom Price
Jack Kinsington
Phil Gingrey
Newt Gengrich
and the list goes on and on. All these republicans from Georgia! All no good Swedes trying to take over our government! Since I haven’t seen the birth certificate, and they could easily drive to my house and present me with a copy, they’re clearly hiding something.
Can Georgia lawmakers take a grown up pill and try to solve real problems instead of the problems the voices in their heads are talking to them about?
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
12:42 am
@ Unreal: George W. Bush’s birth certificate is at the Texas state library archives. Here’s Reagan’s birth certificate:
http://terryfrank.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dscn0552.jpg
Notice how it was provided by the state of Illinois. Let’s see the state of Hawaii do the same thing, or will Obama’s presidential library have blank walls and empty rooms??
steve danz
March 3rd, 2011
9:01 am
Lets take a look at this from another angle.Does anyone know how Obamas mother left a ISLAND in the middle of the Pacific,snuck in to KENYA,had a baby and then snuck back into the state of HAWAII with the baby without leaving a trace?
Chilidog
March 3rd, 2011
9:39 am
Here’s Reagan’s birth certificate:
http://terryfrank.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dscn0552.jpg
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That’s not a birth certificate, that’s a jpg.
how come it’s dated August 14, 1942? Reagan was born in 1911.
Wher’s the hospital listed on that?
Where’s the time of birth. it’s not complete without the date AND TIME of birth.
How do we know that is really the signature of the doctor in attendance? How old was he when he signed that? If it was 31 years later, how can he be sure he remembers which baby was which?
That image of a document is not acceptable according to the standards of HB 401.
Kevin Michel
March 3rd, 2011
9:45 am
I am not from Georgia, but I have a number fo friends who live there. Some are more conservative, some are more liberal, but none of them strike me as foolish, or stupid, or ignorant…. Perhaps the people of Georgia could persuade one of them to run for the state legislature to replace the foolish, stupid and ignorant representatives who are there, wasting your time and taxpayer dollars on this political stupidity. It is obvious that the legislators we elected really did not get the message of the last election, that they were to do the PEOPLE’S business and not the PARTY’S. Let’s not forget this in two years when we can boot all these current folks out and replace them again. Perhaps if we do that three or four times, the craziness will stop and we might be able to put legislators in positions to protect the american people, instead of the american parties or the american corporations.
Kevin Michel
March 3rd, 2011
9:47 am
To Steve Danz.
Of course. Didn’t you know? She was an alien. She used a transporter. And the President is getting ready to pave the way for the great alien invasion from Alpha Centauri…..
Geez, I’m just a dumb ol’ Northeast Liberal and I knew that!
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
10:35 am
@ chillydog: So predictable … look, if you have doubts about Reagan’s birth certificate, you can go to his presidential library and look at it. The only option for Obama is to pull up a website with a redacted jpg.
You said: “how come it’s dated August 14, 1942? Reagan was born in 1911.” Well how come Obama’s jpg is dated June 6, 2007 when he was born in 1961?? Why is Reagan’s certificate signed but Obama’s is not??
Back to your question, Reagan was born at a time when birth certificates were not recorded routinely. Evidently he never had an original, but he needed one in 1942 when he was ordered into military service on April 19. His certificate is dated April 14. Unlike Obama, this copy of the certificate at the library was provided by the state that issued it, and Reagan originally obtained that certificate for a very specific identification purpose, which would be no different than using it for the eligibility bill.
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
10:44 am
@ steve: You wrote: “Does anyone know how Obamas mother left a ISLAND in the middle of the Pacific,snuck in to KENYA,had a baby and then snuck back into the state of HAWAII with the baby without leaving a trace?”
I hope you understand that a Freedom of Information request was filed with the state department to get Obama’s mama’s passport records. While taking more than a year to fill this request, all her records prior to 1965 were curiously absent. The state department claims those records were routinely destroyed (even though there’s no evidence of a legal order to destroy records from that time period). The records that were released indicate Stanley Ann Dunham had renewed her passport that she already had prior to 1965. This means it’s entirely possible she had a passport so she could go to Kenya, Indonesia, Canada or just about anywhere and gave birth.
Second, you talk about her “sneaking” in and out of the country, but it’s an empty complaint. SAD “snuck” into the state of Washington the same month Obama was born (and perhaps earlier). SAD claimed to get married to Barak Sr. in Maui in February 1961 but there’s no marriage license or travel records to substantiate this claim. Wouldn’t that be “sneaking” in and out of Honolulu??
The absence of evidence doesn’t preclude SAD from going to another country or another state to give birth. Sorry, but this is just another failed excuse.
Chilidog
March 3rd, 2011
11:49 am
ksdb: “You said: “how come it’s dated August 14, 1942? Reagan was born in 1911.” Well how come Obama’s jpg is dated June 6, 2007 when he was born in 1961?? Why is Reagan’s certificate signed but Obama’s is not?? ”
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HA!!!
You just shot yourself in the foot there. You asked where is the Obama certificate dated June 6, 2007? Right above the signature of the registrar that issued it in 2007, that’s where.
Obama’s birth certificate was filed with the state on August 8, 1961, four days (two working days) after he was born.
Look at your Reagan jpg again. That document was issued by the state in 1991. It was filed with the state in 1942, 31 years after Reagan was born.
I suspect fraud. I suspect that Reagan was actually born in Canada where his grandmother was from.
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
11:57 am
@ chili: I didn’t ask “where” it was dated. Obama’s certificate is dated 46 years AFTER he was born (that beats the 31 years after Reagan was born), yet he wrote in one of his books that he had a birth certificate from many years ago. Why would he need a new COLB if he already had a birth certificate, unless he was trying to hide information that is one that earlier certificate?
You’re really contorting yourself over Reagan who is officially documented by the State of Illinois while Obama is not. Reagan’s certificate is not redacted. Reagan’s certificate was issued so he could identify himself for military purposes. Obama’s is not. Reagan’s certificate is posted in a public place for all to view. Obama’s is not. At what point does it sink in that you’re doing nothing more than making excuses??
Bob Hubbard, Sr.
March 3rd, 2011
12:28 pm
If this bill passes, the next one should be a bill to require completence of all elected officials, particularly full knowledge of the Constitution. That should clear a lot of offices in Washington and Atlanta.
Chilidog
March 3rd, 2011
12:34 pm
@Bob Hubbard, no, the next bill that the legislature will pass will be a law defining the term “Natural Born” as someone whose parents are blood relatives.
Chilidog
March 3rd, 2011
12:40 pm
FYI, it looks like several legislators are backing away from this bill.
Chilidog
March 3rd, 2011
12:45 pm
NO, ksdb
Reagan’s BC that is hanging on the wall was ISSUED in 1991, that’s 80 years after he was born.
Obama’s BC that can be seen on the internet was ISSUED in 2007, that’s 46 years after he was born.
Reagans’s BC that is hanging on the wall was REGISTERED WITH THE STATE in 1942, 31 YEARS after he was born.
Obama’s BC that can be seen on the internet was REGISTERED WITH THE STATE in 1961, 4 DAYS after he was born.
You lose that argument.
Bob Jones
March 3rd, 2011
2:35 pm
In order to be a natural born citizen ( required by the US Constitution for the office of president) One has to have 2 US citizens as parents. There has never been a claim that Barack Sr was a US citizen. Therefore Mr Obama may be a citizen of these united states but he can never be a natural born citizen and is not qualified for the office of president. He can be a senator dog catcher or supreme court justice, but not president. Good day
steve danz
March 3rd, 2011
3:07 pm
Ksdb,So the answer is no.My passport is stamped.Would the State dep. keep paper records of every Americans leaving the country 50 years ago?Of what use to anyone would this be?I am not making any excuses about anything,just asking is there anything here or in Kenya to suggest that BA was born there and then was brought here by hi mother.
steve danz
March 3rd, 2011
3:10 pm
duh
BCL
March 3rd, 2011
3:15 pm
How far does the law go in stating what content is needed?
I’ve seen the current California birth certificate form, which is actually pretty short, but contains the doctor’s signature, the hospital name/address, both parents’ names as well as their places of birth. Every state has a different form, and some include race of the parents (as with Hawaii). At least the jurisdiction in California I’ve seen issues an image (digitized in a database) of the original form printed on a standard form made by the Midwest Bank Note Company (they seem to be very popular). Hawaii doesn’t issue a certified copy of the original form as a matter of policy now, although any older ones are still valid. Anyone born in Hawaii now probably wouldn’t pass muster for proof of birth with just the COLB that the state will issue. Many jurisdictions have gone to shorter forms that do have all the information that the State Department needs to issue a passport.
OK – I looked over HB 401, and now see the requirements. Seems pretty short, but it has a requirement that a “long-form” must include the birthplace of the parents (California has this but Hawaii does not) and residence of each parent. You know what – there are a lot of states/counties/cities that issue birth certificates that don’t have all this information. I’ve seen a photo of a current Alaska birth certificate, and it’s computer generated without the whole laundry list. If Sarah Palin (born in Idaho) runs for President and can’t find a certified copy of the original form, she’s going to be stuck using the current form, which has even less information than Hawaii’s COLB.
http://www.themasterofdeception.com/documents/judys_bc.jpg
Also – it creates an interesting dilemma if a candidate might only have one or two original “long-form” birth certificates from a state that has moved to abstract certified copies. There might be a dozen states with similar laws. Are they going to trust that such irreplaceable documents are going to be safe, and how do they get them out to multiple state? It’s easy enough for Obama’s campaign to request 100 copies of Hawaii’s COLB to stockpile, but if he does happen to have an original form somewhere, is he going to trust that Georgia authorities aren’t going to lose the one copy he might have?
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
3:18 pm
LOL @ chilldog … all you’re doing is making excuses.
BCL
March 3rd, 2011
3:27 pm
The bill also (in a way) seeks to define “natural born” and I’m pretty sure that’s the role of the federal government. I’ve never heard of getting naturalized in another country and re-naturalized in the US as losing one’s “natural born” status. It’s an interesting argument they’re making, but not something that is within the authority of a state to decide.
Again – it also requires “original” documents, which would indicate a certified photostatic copy of the original signed BC. Hawaii doesn’t file new ones any more; they keep all their info in a text database. Add to that a lot of jurisdictions simply don’t issue certified copies of original long-form birth certificates as a matter of policy. I read somewhere that Hawaii might be able to issue a copy of the original form if they have it, but won’t certify it with the registrar’s signature and the official seal of the health department.
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
3:27 pm
@ Steve: What “answer” is no?? You characterized SAD as sneaking around because you claim there was no trace that she was in Kenya or “snuck” back into Hawaii. We do have evidence that his stepgrandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and there’s a Kenyan birth certificate showing he was born in Kenya. Other than that there’s no trace of SAD’s whereabouts at all between Fall 1960 and Fall 1961. That’s why skeptics want to see actual documents get released and why it’s so curious that Obama, other politicians and Obama’s apologists go out of their way to prevent the release of ORIGINAL records and make excuses not to allow them to be released. Why are faithers so skeered about such a simple request?? Shouldn’t these documents vindicate him??
BCL
March 3rd, 2011
4:18 pm
You know what? Apparently the current “original” form in California isn’t compliant with this legislation. It doesn’t included place of residence of parents at time of birth. I guess it would be submitted as “birth records” but with a file folder of other information. Also – my research is that Alaska, Idaho, and other places don’t issue “long-forms” any more.
That doesn’t even get to the issue that some counties would issue a computer-generated abstract form with just the information needed for a driver license or passport. I’ve seen at least one form from a Texas county that is truly minimal.
Here’s what a current California birth certificate looks like for anyone interested. Not all jurisdictions in the state would produce a photostatic copy. I’ve heard of some issuing abstract forms.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QF4ceKgWIuw/TGPYViz6dOI/AAAAAAAAAD4/AlQQxE-sqao/s1600/CA+county+santa+barbara_birth+certificate.jpeg
ksdb
March 3rd, 2011
4:27 pm
@ BCL, there’s no question that many states primarily issue abstract forms. This is part of a national standardization process that has been going on for many years. However, many states, if they are like Hawaii, are still required by law to keep original certificates in storage and may be required, like Hawaii, to provide any part of any certificate that is requested. IOW, if you have a long-form on file and you want a copy of it, these states must provide a copy of it or the information contained on that record. Such records are helpful for genealogy research, etc.
Hawaii, ironically, claims to be one of the pioneers of the Electronic Verification of Vital Event (EVVE) system. In June 2008 (the same month Obama posted his jpg), the state of Hawaii issued a news release saying:
“Hawai‘i was also the first state to enact legislation that allowed
verification of birth certificate information in lieu of ordering certified copies of vital records and piloted the Electronic Verification of Vital Event (EVVE) system nationally.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-55.pdf
Funny how they’ve said absolutely NOTHING about using this system to verify Obama’s jpg.
Michael
March 3rd, 2011
5:02 pm
Delta is so ready when I am.
Edward
March 3rd, 2011
6:58 pm
I really really REALLY want this bill to pass, I am so wanting to see this “Deliverance” state get smacked down like a rabid dog by the Feds. You can’t buy entertainment like this, I mean this is almost as good a train wreck as Charlie Sheen!
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steve danz
March 4th, 2011
8:34 am
KSDB maybe the passport being renewed was her first.Was the date this was requested in 1968?Was this referencing the one issued in 1965?Were any documents released in the FOIA dated before 1968?Then she could not have left the country…mmmmWell she could have I suppose.anyway check this out.Was she renewing the passport that was issued in 1965?Does anything say it was a passport she already had?As for the grandmother come on dude neither of us speak Kenyan I saw a transcript of this which IF accurate showed a jumble of babbling and mistranslatating going on.
rw
March 4th, 2011
8:37 am
The irony is that this bill is just as likely to cause problems for future Republican candidates as it is for Democratic candidates.
Be careful what you wish for – information on birth certificates vary by state. HB 401 is very specific about what must be included on the certificate and some of this information may not be on all birth certificates.
John McCain was born in Panama on a U.S. military base to U.S. citizens. To me that makes him a natural born citizen, but I don’t think there has ever been a definitive Supreme Court ruling on that issue. Do we really want the Georgia Secretary of State making that type of determination as this bill allows? If you said yes, are you assuming the Secretary of State will be a Republican? What if the Secretary of State happens to be a Democrat? Still sure?
What about in primaries? Do you really want to create a technical loophole that gives the Secretary of State the ability to keep a candidate off the ballot? Don’t know if this is accurate, but an earlier poster indicated that Idaho birth certificates don’t include the birthplace of the parents. If true, that means that a Secretary of State that happens to support Romney or Huckabee for the 2012 Republican nomination might be able to keep Sarah Palin off the primary ballot. Still sure?
ksdb
March 4th, 2011
12:34 pm
@ Steve: SAD’s pasport record from July 19, 1965 was a renewal of an earlier record. Her form said she was residing in Jakarta at that time and she gave no U.S. address.
As for the stepgrandmother, a 2008 story reported “In the western village of Kogelo, where the Democratic candidate’s late father was born, police had tightened security to prevent hordes of media and others from entering the rural homestead of Obama’s step-grandmother, Sarah. But the elderly woman and several other relatives came outside Wednesday to cheer for Obama in a country where the Democrat is seen as a “son of the soil.”"
Evidently those in the Kenyan parliament take this to heart. “Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.”
And the Minister of Lands said: “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?”
steve danz
March 4th, 2011
10:02 pm
You all will have his entire 2nd term to sort this out,good luck.
Georgia Native
March 5th, 2011
8:41 am
Where can I get a list of the ignorant racists in the Ga congress that support this bill?