Those revisions to the House immigration bill? Get your copy here

State Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, has what may be the hottest bill of this legislation – an anti-illegal immigration measure that requires most businesses to use the federal E-Verify database to ascertain the legal residency of new hires.

Ramsey finished yet another revision of HB 87 on Saturday. This one’s likely to be voted out of committee on Monday. It hasn’t been posted on the official General Assembly website yet – but you can get your copy here.

If you see anything worth noting, please post a comment.

Here’s the assessment from my AJC colleague Jeremy Redmon:

State Rep. Matt Ramsey has revised his bill targeting illegal immigration to penalize people who “willfully and fraudulently” use fake identification to get a job in Georgia.

Such people could be charged with a felony — aggravated identity fraud — under the newly revised House Bill 87, Ramsey said Saturday in an e-mail.

Ramsey, a Republican from Peachtree City, also has added additional language to his bill, giving state and local government officials up to 30 days to move into compliance with existing state laws targeting illegal immigration before someone could sue them for violations.

And from the Associated Press:

“Through the hearing process, we kept hearing from folks about the problem caused by people who are seeking to gain employment and passing fraudulent identification on employers,” he said.

Ramsey looked at the identity theft statute and worked with prosecutors in the state to craft a provision that would make it a felony to present fraudulent identification documents or information for the purpose of gaining employment, he said.

The stiff penalty — one to 15 years in jail and a fine of up to $250,000 — is meant to help protect employers who don’t always recognize false documents and might sometimes find themselves unknowingly hiring illegal immigrants, he said.

Despite testimony from many groups and individuals expressing concern about a proposed requirement that all employers with more than five employees verify the immigration status of new hires by using a federal database called E-Verify, Ramsey said he’s not willing to budge.

“Illegal employment is clearly the root cause of illegal immigration, and if we don’t take a serious step in this state toward addressing illegal employment, we’re not going to ever get substantially at the problem,” he said.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
11:31 am

“Illegal employment is clearly the root cause of illegal immigration, and if we don’t take a serious step in this state toward addressing illegal employment, we’re not going to ever get substantially at the problem,” he said.

I don’t think that anyone, who is serious about addressing this issue, will argue with this statement.

But, I would add that the level of scrutiny applied to awarding multiple taxpayer funded services to illegal aliens should also be addressed. Reproducing, currently another major source of income for illegals, is also a major enticement.

Also, people who voted for Nathan Deal, for his anti-immigration campaign stance,, should be aware of your governor’s cozy relationship with Fieldale Farms, among others, whose president showed up at the capitol, to argue against efforts to enforce our immigration laws.

Go to ethics.ga.gov and check out the number of monetary contributions to Deal’s governor’s campaign, that were made by Fieldale Farm corporate employees, and the company’s founding families, who are major stockholders, (the Arendale and Hatfield families).

double

February 27th, 2011
11:38 am

If I understand this 1 to 15 years,fine up 250k presenting false identification to get job.Where is money for fine to come from?Load the prison system more.You have to make the employer responsible,and give freedom to stop the illegal at border.

Randolph Phillips

February 27th, 2011
11:45 am

Representative Matt Ramsey is exactly right. The lure of jobs brings the illegals to the country, and the US Government refuses to make the E-verify program mandatory for employers. That leaves the states to require employers to make the three minute check with Social Security to make sure that new employee has a valid Social Seucrity Card instead of a fake one.

This bill needs to be enacted into law as a major step to enourage those here illegally to go back home, discourage those on the way to stay in their home countries, and open up jobs for American citizens which are now held by people here illegally.

Governor Deal should support this legislation whole heartedly and instruct the Attorney General to defend the law, once enacted, if the Obama administration tries to stop it.

Just Wait

February 27th, 2011
11:48 am

If the idea is to stop the burden of illegals on the state, why would you want to put them in jail for up to 15 years? In jail, we have to cloth, feed, bed and provide medical care for them. Exactly what everyone is complaining about now. Instead of fines that will never be paid or jail time, how about immediate deportation? If anyone should be jailed or fined, it should be those who do the hiring.

td

February 27th, 2011
11:55 am

double

February 27th, 2011
11:38 am
If I understand this 1 to 15 years,fine up 250k presenting false identification to get job.Where is money for fine to come from?Load the prison system more.You have to make the employer responsible,and give freedom to stop the illegal at border.

The main point of the new crime legislation is that it is a felony and therefore they will be deported.

td

February 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

Just Wait

February 27th, 2011
11:48 am

The federal government is the only authority that has the right to deport someone. They will only deport convicted felons right now and this bill will make them felons for using a false identity.

This bill is going in the right direction but should also mandate that the our welfare agencies check e-verify as well before we give out benefits.

Aquagirl

February 27th, 2011
12:12 pm

Believe it or not, felons are not automatically deported. Considering they might simply re-enter the country illegally and commit more crimes, that’s not a bad thing.

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
12:25 pm

@ Just wait

“If the idea is to stop the burden of illegals on the state, why would you want to put them in jail for up to 15 years?”

You miss the whole purpose of the bill – it is not only a deterrent to keep illegal aliens from coming here, it will also encourage the half million, who currently reside here, to leave.

Compare the cost of jail to the cost of health care, including delivering babies, schooling, etc. that you are currently incurring.

As a bonus, some of their employers might just leave too. If you do the math, on keeping up their employees, they aren’t contributing to our economy anyway.

Last Man Standing

February 27th, 2011
12:47 pm

This seems to be good legislation and a step in the right direction. Years after NAFTA went into effect, Mexico’s chief export is still Mexicans. While Mexicans pose the largest problem in illegal immigration by their sheer numbers, Central and South Americans contribute to the problem as well as Asians.

Illegal is illegal no matter the source country.

double

February 27th, 2011
12:51 pm

Some one set me straight on this .If you are here legal and working legal then do you not pay taxes same as others?Or is it that the legal worker is eligible for benefits because he falls under the poverty level.Are both legal and illegal abusing the welfare system?

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
1:04 pm

Another factor, is the hundreds of thousands of amested illegal aliens from western states, like California, and Texas, who have followed the migration of illegal aliens to our state, and earn a living off of them(or, in otherwords, us). The guys who move here and form bogus masonry and other construction related companies, who hire illegal aliens, and drive local legitimate companies, who play by the rules, out of business.

If you take away their endless supply of illegal alien labor, they shouldl also leave. Another bonus, maybe the corrupt construction companies that hire them, and lobby so effectively against enforcing our immigration laws, will also leave. This might allow law abiding, taxpaying citizens to reenter the workforce.

catlady

February 27th, 2011
2:30 pm

Methinks Mr. Ramsey has friends or stock in the Prison Corporation of America.

catlady

February 27th, 2011
2:45 pm

You can’t rely on everify. It does not match Name to Face, just SS number to name.

On denying services: You can’t deny services to American people. As long as the children of illegals are American citizens, they can have the services. Now, I’d like us to get rid of presumptive Medicaid. Make the pregnant woman show she is a citizen. (of course, Everify isn’t the vehicle for doing that. Back to square one) If she is not a citizen, deport her before she gives birth. Some say this would increase our handicapped numbers because then the immigrant woman won’t get prenatal care. That may be true. But pregnant women should not get a pass from being deported.

BTW, I am also in favor of recouping from ALL Medicaid mothers the cost of the prenatal and birth of their child, even if it is $5 per week from their welfare checks, and take all their EIC until they are “paid up.”

catlady

February 27th, 2011
2:52 pm

BTW, I think many of our politicians will say ANYTHING to get elected. Haven’t you seen that time and time again? So why the surprise?

DAVID

February 27th, 2011
3:14 pm

All of the criminals are worthless criminals,and all have to go.Seize all they have,sell it off,and give the money to the state.This bill will make the illegals and the employers think twice about breaking the laws,and maybe keep some away.

double

February 27th, 2011
3:19 pm

Yep I think the medicaid for prenatal etc be recouped and for only one illegitimate.After that no benefits.Back to the illegals 3 from Dalton trying to take 1.5 mil into Mexico.but they were not illegalsThat would buy a heap of tacos.

DAVID

February 27th, 2011
3:28 pm

I hope that all of the illegals(criminals) can be eliminated some day,so our country can begin to thrive again.

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
3:44 pm

@ double

“Two were identified as U.S. citizens aged 22 and 35, carrying $404,126 and $554,121 respectively, the third as a 55-year-old Mexican citizen carrying $500,676.”

One was illegal. They were returning to Mexico with tax free carpet mill payroll dollars, taken out of the local and state economy, forever.

Just imagine the amount of money being removed from Atlanta’s economy by the drug cartels. BTW, they are the lowest form of life on the planet – child murderers. The half million illegal aliens, and their entourage, living in Georgia, provide the cover that allows them to operate here. Another good reason to clean house.

Brittanicus

February 27th, 2011
4:30 pm

WHERE DOES YOUR STATE STAND?

Those States that remains unconcerned to The People’s need for relief from sustaining illegal foreign families, will be doomed to higher taxes, spiraling crime and the thin residue of liquid cash in State treasuries. The prime example we have seen is the quandary of the Grand Canyon State of Arizona, where illegal immigration has been eroding Public benefits for years. But Arizona has started the long road back, by pioneering immigration policing laws. The states that have just sat back and watched their States deteriorate through neglect are going to pay the Piper, the rigid way. Hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals are deserting Arizona, heading to other States unknown. Has–YOUR–State enforced its immigration laws, or is your State a target?

Every State that wants to defend and protect its legal populace needs to mandate nationwide policing laws E-Verify, 287 (G) and Secure Communities (Fingerprint check for illegal alien criminals and re-entries) and some form of national Whistle-Blower program for protection of jobs, to safeguard America’s people jobs. Enrollment in E-Verify has grown from 3,000 companies to 82,000 since it was expanded nationwide in 2003, but participation remains voluntary and is not mandated; covers 1 percent of an estimated 6 million U.S. employers and about 11 percent of annual hiring.

E-VERIFY SHOULD BE MANDATORY AND STRICTLY ENFORCED NATIONWIDE. The only answer to businesses hiring illegal alien labor, is to lock the employers-up and throw away the key? On the law books is “Citizens Arrest,” so it emerges as common sense for the American people to become whistle- blowers and do your civic duty to report to ICE, anybody business, organization or groups, which is aiding and abetting illegal alien workers. Be vigilant as it could easily be your job their taking, specifically if it’s in the construction, service and entertainment industries. The protection of our workforce must be a priority, which seems to be overlooked by every administration; even prior to the 1986 Ronald Reagan amnesty.

THE IS A NATIONAL WHISTLE BLOWERS CENTER FOR MOSTLY CORPORATE FRAUDULENT IRREGULARITIES. SO WE NOW SHOULD NOW ORGANIZE A WHISTLE BLOWER PROGRAM FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REPORTS. California the Sanctuary State and Sen. Harry Reid’s Nevada have been extremely vulnerable, as they have some of the largest populations of illegal aliens in the Sunshine State govern mostly by tax-spending Democratic-Liberals. The employers are comatose into thinking they can escape any risk of being caught, but in the last few months “Howard Industries’ of Mississippi were caught red-handed and fined over $2. 2 Million dollars In a statement 600 illegal alien workers were detained by Immigration and Customs Services, with many reentries after being deported before.

My guess is human resources manager Jose Humberto Gonzalez was scapegoat for much bigger fish, when corporate originally stated that no foreign nationals were working at the plant. U.S. Attorney John M. Dowdy Jr. said Howard Industries’ hiring practices took jobs away from American citizens who needed them and encouraged illegal immigration.”The unlawful actions by companies like Howard Industries in this case contribute significantly to the problem of illegal immigration in the United States.” But as always nobody is going to prison, or is there any word of business asset being confiscated? A second time the business should go to the Federal court Steps to be sold. Want to learn more about illegal immigration? Go to NumbersUSA website and fax the Washington lawmakers and fight back against the open border fanatical corruption.

double

February 27th, 2011
5:12 pm

@Brittanicus Your post is interesting.I enjoyed reading until you had to say govern by liberal/democrats.After a few years with the conservatives/Republicans someone has to come to the rescue of the needy.I agree you can’t give all away to people or corporations regardless of how it’s given.I’m from the working class poor. I know of no benefit that I gained during the Republican admn.We are broke, in debt trying,to avoid default destroying our dollar in the process.

Bob Andrews

February 27th, 2011
5:30 pm

Rep. Ramsey’s bill is not primarily to incarcerate large numbers of Illegals. It is to cut off the flow of money to Illegals. If we cut off the money flow, many Illegals will leave Georgia!

Interesting Observation

February 27th, 2011
6:32 pm

The average overworked and overwhelmed state employee on the front lines who process paperwork for the general public is not trained to identify fraudulent documents. They are under pressure to keep the lines moving and serve as many customers within a given day as possible to avoid complaints. Example: When an individual walks into a Georgia Dept of Labor office for job search assistance if that individual is not registered with employment services as a customer that individual has to complete a three page registration application which requires the person to produce proper documents to support their alien status if they are not citizens. The average front line DOL worker making about 25k/yr is not an expert at identifying fraudulent documents. While such legislation cause Georgians to feel as though their demands are being met by our law makers in actuality such laws when put into practice are nothing more than window dressing.

Good Human Being

February 27th, 2011
6:46 pm

I dont know what kind job have illegals taken from American??? you mean diswasher postion??? Housekeeper??? American are lazy, they want high salary but work so less.what a Disguesting. Or maybe you all wanna be strawberry picker for $6/hr. This country lost many good job because couldnt be provided by its people, we have been importing engineers from India, thats the kind job that American should have and fight about, not housekeeper, not strawberry picker, and not dishwasher. Wake up people….otherwise we are gonna be so behind than Asian countries.

Concerned Teacher

February 27th, 2011
6:47 pm

Whatever is right, fair, and in the best interest of our country should be done. I just hope someone will figure out a way to not punish the children who were brought here, don’t even remember being Mexico because they were so young when they left, and who have absolutely no family in family to help them. These are innocent victims who want to be productive USA citizens and are scared to death of anything in Mexico. Yes, the illegal unemployment made most of this happen. Sadly, those culprits will not be harmed by any of this.

Misguided approach

February 27th, 2011
7:03 pm

So, when the supposed “illegals” leave the state, along with their “legal” family members and co-workers, who is going to do the jobs they provided??? Immigrant workers often make well above minimum wage, but so many lazy folks would rather get their government check and suck the system dry than get off their duff and earn a paycheck. State government cannot issue a single visa to bring workers here, yet they want to slam the door and kill the economy by putting hurdles in place on private businesses. This isn’t difficult to understand if you live in the world of reality instead of the world of political expediency. Where are the workers going to come from? This is a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face, except this action will have real and lasting economic consequences.

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
7:13 pm

@ Bob Andrews

“If we cut off the money flow, many Illegals will leave Georgia!”

That is clearly the objective of the bill, and the logical solution, but implementing it is another story.

A half million illegal aliens are in Georgia for a reason – they make a small group of people a lot of money, and they don’t want it to end.

They are making money by shifting their cost of doing business to taxpayers, and they couldn’t care less about the economic and social havoc they create for everyone else.

They have sucessfully resisted the will of the people to date, by using the best politicians that money can buy, to manipulate them.

In a recent Paul Farrell commentary, in the Wall Street Journal, he quotes behavioral scientist, “who tell us that politicians are lying 93% of the time…. our brains are preprogrammed to cooperate in their con game. Yes, we believe most of their lies.”

Barry Ritholtz, author of “Bailout Nation”, says “Humans have something akin to brain damage.
To neurophysiologists, who research cognitive functions, the emotionally driven appear to suffer from cognitive deficits that mimic certain types of brain injuries. … Anyone with an intense emotional interest in a subject loses the ability to observe it objectively: You selectively perceive events. You ignore data and facts that disagree with your main philosophy. Even your memory works to fool you, as you selectively retain what you believe in, and subtly mask any memories that might conflict.”

james

February 27th, 2011
7:15 pm

bush brought the illegals in,killed the carpenters unions, drove down wages.rupert murdock told hannity and the republicans to cut the rhetoric they serve our purpose,case closed.

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
8:30 pm

“The average overworked and overwhelmed state employee on the front lines who process paperwork for the general public is not trained to identify fraudulent documents.”

This is by design – just like all of the bills that legislators introduce, that don’t have a chance of passing, but serve to satisfy their gullible constituents.

The politicians are ultimately controlled by the people, who they perceive as having substaintial financial resources, that employ the same methods on them, that they use to manipulate their constituents.

Once elected, these nobodies, suddenly, become somebodies, and they want to believe that it is because they are really important, and not because they can financially benefit their new best buds – who drop them like a bad habit, when the party is over.

Question Man

February 27th, 2011
8:42 pm

Is this bill consistent with the loud clamor heard elsewhere to not load up the Georgia prison system with non-violent offenders?

Cutty

February 27th, 2011
8:59 pm

Why not out equal responsibility on employers as well? The final draft of this bill will continue to make e-verify voluntary and continue to allow businesses to hire illegals via the use of sub and independent contractors. Once again business will get off scottfree.

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
9:05 pm

@ question man

“Is this bill consistent with the loud clamor heard elsewhere to not load up the Georgia prison system with non-violent offenders?”

That is one of the talking points issued by the lobby that doesn’t want to loose their taxpayer subsidized, pseudo-slaves, like the corporate farms in South Ga, who also are some of the largest recepients of corporate welfare.

10% of the farms receive 74% of the subsidies – check out this website to see who they are in Georgia: farm.ewg.org – you can sort by state and top recepients. You can then match them with their favorite political candidates at the ethics.ga.gov site.

Last Man Standing

February 27th, 2011
9:08 pm

james:

So, James, how is life on your planet?

eatmotacos

February 27th, 2011
9:14 pm

@ question man

Another thing. Even if it wasn’t designed as a deterrent, compare the cost of loading up the jails to the cost loading up our hospitals, schools and jails anyway, plus the 10s of millions of dollars in welfare, and uncollected taxes, etc., etc. The lobby counts on people being very poor at math and lacking any common sense.

james

February 27th, 2011
10:37 pm

whats the matter “last man standing” you can’t stand a bold fresh taste of the truth.

td

February 27th, 2011
10:58 pm

james

February 27th, 2011
10:37 pm
whats the matter “last man standing” you can’t stand a bold fresh taste of the truth.

The truth according to whom? Huffington, Meadows?, Obama?

BTW: We did not have any carpenters unions in Georgia before the invasion.

james

February 27th, 2011
11:17 pm

we had americans building homes,they were at the state capitol telling why they can’t compete with illegals wages.

CINDY MONROE

February 27th, 2011
11:35 pm

The concern with this bill is the second half of it that addresses the enforcement of this immigration bill. It wants to require that police take illegal immigrants into custody “even though” Ramsey is not “criminalizing “illegal immingration.” Since he is not “criminalizing illegal immigration,” because his bill wants police to “arrest” or “detain” illegal immigrants, this will be violating the term “arrest” and officers will be “arresting immigrants” who have NOT committed a crime, because the bill is NOT stating that illegal immigration is a CRIME. With that, the bill also states that the police would then have to take the immigrant to jail or to a federal facility, but the local law enforcement DOES NOT have the time, resources, nor personnel to do this and the bill is NOT giving any money to law enforcement whatsoever. The Federal government has money set aside to fund the illegal immigration efforts, GEORGIA does not, and they DO NOT plan on giving law enforcement any money…With that said, law enforcement will stick to the laws of the land and the constitution and they WILL NOT arrest persons that have not committed a crime, so this portion of the bill is not developed and this portion of the bill is UNENFORCEABLE. Its so funny how only one portion of the bill is highlighted when there is soooo much more is in it. With that, if a law enforcement agency DOES NOT arrest an illegal immigrant for any reason, even if the agency doesnt have the man power or money to do so, this bill makes it where citizens can sue the officer and the police department they work for, this puts law enforcement in a tough position. So strickly due to how much this will hurt our police officers, this bill should not be passed. But just like every thing, people need to read THE WHOLE BILL before making decisions. This bill should be split in two, and make a bill just addressing EVERIFY and then a separate bill for enforcement, and not putting them together.

Kim

February 27th, 2011
11:46 pm

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

eatmotacos

February 28th, 2011
12:15 am

@ Cindy Monroe

Why are you trying to divert attention away from the enormous social and monetary cost of not enforcing our immigration laws, to the relatively nominal cost of enforcing them? Are you aware that if anyone took you seriously, you would be insulting their intelligence?

As I See It

February 28th, 2011
2:08 am

Yes Georgia has a population of undocumented people, but it’s smaller than in previous years. They are NOT the problem, It’s CITIZENS.. Misinformation CITIZENS who are breeding hysteria and hate that is taking over the state and nation.

Immigration is a FEDERAL problem, it can NOT be fixed on the state level. Unless Georgia succeeds from the USA – again. That didn’t work out well last time.

Immigration hysteria is taking the focus off of what these elected officials SHOULD be doing. Working to BRING good jobs to Georgia. Streamlining government – NOT complicating it. Improving the economy and education. HB87 will be a HUGE burden on taxpayers. Undocumented people do NOT get the “benefits” so often mentioned.

HB87 will create more CRIMINALS of citizens who NOW work everyday supporting their family. More people sitting in prison – higher education in crime – that we have to support? Disgusting!

But it will keep the private prison system in business. It will create JOBS for LAWYERS defending the bill, defending those without means more, more more…MORE taxes to pay…

Next they will pass legislation to jail “green eyed” people or “left handed” people or some other difference. YOU will be next.

Grab your wallet and RUN! to a state with WELCOMING traits as Georgia is becoming as hateful as it was during the Civil Rights Era.

eatmotacos

February 28th, 2011
8:27 am

@ As I See It

“Next they will pass legislation to jail “green eyed” people or “left handed” people or some other difference. YOU will be next.”

Did you say something about HYSTERIA? What are undocumented people?

td

February 28th, 2011
8:50 am

As I See It

February 28th, 2011
2:08 am

HB87 will create more CRIMINALS of citizens who NOW work everyday supporting their family. More people sitting in prison – higher education in crime – that we have to support? Disgusting!

Illegal immigrants are NOT citizens. They are invaders of our country that some of you want us to just ignore and make citizens. We are a great country but we can not take all the poor people in the world in because we have limited resources. These people need to make their own countries work for them and stop invading this country. The is nothing wrong with our legal immigration system because we regulate the number, they have been through all of the medical and criminal checks to keep us safe and they assimilate into the system.

Now what is disgusting is people like you that want this invasion to continue unchecked and bankrupt this country.

lmno

February 28th, 2011
8:53 am

Well, you’ve got this very large population of people in your state that you see as a burden, so clearly the best way to unburden ourselves is to ensure that this population can’t get a job and is stuck in poverty. Makes a lot of sense.

deegee

February 28th, 2011
8:56 am

Has anyone done any research on the immigrant doctors, P.A.s, web developers, database administrators, etc., that have come here on work visas but are violating the terms of their visa? Why don’t the people that complain about illegal immigrants complain about that?

jconservative

February 28th, 2011
9:14 am

“The federal government is the only authority that has the right to deport someone. They will only deport convicted felons right now and this bill will make them felons for using a false identity.’

The Federals only deport convicted criminals convicted of a violent type crime. They will not deport for using a fake ID. And they will not lock them up. They will turn them loose.

The local government, county or city, will take the cost of incarceration – over $10,000 a year for food, clothing, etc.

Show me the illegal alien with the $5000 for a fine. You are talking about jail time. Do we want a tax increase to pay for this?

I agree with forcing the use of E-verify even though it is alledgedly only about 60% accurate. If the employer uses E-verify and ends up hiring an illegal anyway, he should be off the hook if E-verify said the guy was OK.

eatmotacos

February 28th, 2011
10:18 am

@ jconservative

“I agree with forcing the use of E-verify even though it is alledgedly only about 60% accurate.”

As long as you are just making up numbers, why not use an even lower number – say 6%?

As I See It

February 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

@td Agreed, undocumented people, or as some call them “illegals”, are NOT citizens, nor are resident aliens. Neither can vote, only CITIZENS have that right. And those convicted of some classes of crimes do not have that right.
HB87 DOES make CRIMINALS of good taxpaying CITIZENS. There are many married couples, where one is undocumented, the other a CITIZEN. That is called “mixed status.” When a citizen marries an undocumented person, that does NOT grant the undocumented person legal status. When the citizen – a licensed driver – drives their spouse shopping, the CITIZEN can be charged with “transporting an illegal alien.” That is punishable by fine or jail time. The family vehicle will be seized. The CITIZEN may also be charged with “sheltering” for providing his/her spouse with a home & food (more fines & jail time.) The undocumented or “illegal” will be detained for ICE to await a deportation hearing (taxpayers can assume 45 days room & board in jail before that hearing happens). The citizen now no longer has transportation to work, assuming he/she was able to make bail. The CITIZEN’s income – the income that supported the WHOLE family is now in jeopardy as he/she no longer has a vehicle and must miss work time for his/her court appearances and those of the undocumented spouse. The citizen parent, if able to work, in the absence of the other parent – will have to find a babysitter to care for his/her children reducing the funds to pay the mortgage/rent – jeopardizing the families housing situation. The court may have to provide a public defender for the undocumented spouse and the citizen spouse, depending on their income. If the citizen can’t make bail, the children may have to go to foster care. The fines the CITIZEN pays will go to the courts, NOT to buying things in local stores to support the family. So HB87 has taken disposable income from a CITIZEN, supporting a spouse & family – buying things in the community – and put it into the government coffers. And take a productive, self supporting 2 parent family and created criminal dependents of the state for taxpayers to support. Sorry – NOT my idea of good legislation for Georgia.

mesayhi

February 28th, 2011
5:42 pm

fine i undersatnd that many people say that “immigrantes” take the jobs away but where are those american citizens that want that job. they are in thier house waiting for the government to send them a check. while the illegal people that live here are out there lookng for jobs thatg many americans dont wan to do. this illegal people that live here shouldnt get punish over a simple thing such as finding a job to feed thier family.i understand that their are also many criminal immigrants that are here in georgia looking for a job what they should do is send them striaght to thier native country. why have them here for more then 6 months in jail feeding them,giving them a place to live etc. and other things, that is just taking the state money away.

yuzeyurbrain

February 28th, 2011
11:29 pm

The bill’s language re willful act of providing false papers needs to more clearly include intent and knowledge requirement. Also, there needs to be specific language including labor contractors, who supply most migrant farmworkers, in definition of employer and/or make growers strictly liable for contracting with labor contractors who provide illegals. If not included, this a loophole big enough to drive a truck through. Also, whole section which copies Arizona approach of requiring police to check citizenship all people they suspect of being illegals smacks of Nazi-type Jew hunting (Achtung, let me see your papers!!!) and at least will lead to major racial profiling, is totally superfluous to author’s stated goal of focusing on employment, and will most certainly be declared unconstitutional in a certain court challenge. Wasted money on defending a needless and ineffective provocation. My biggest concern is when the House bill which stronger and the Senate bill which is weaker on the employment provisions come together in Conference, Gov. Deal cops out from his campaign pledges and the only thing we are left with is this provision pandering to our worse feelings along with the weak Senate provision which essentially lets agribusiness off the hook.