Your morning jolt: Teeth fall out of immigration bill

The two major bills intended to combat illegal immigration in Georgia are undergoing major revisions. State Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, is to unveil his changes to HB 87 today.

The state’s business and agricultural forces have mounted intense campaigns against both measures. Revisions unveiled Wednesday by state Sen. Jack Murphy, R-Cumming, to his bill, SB 40, showed that the lobbying appears to have had its effect.

From my AJC colleague Jeremy Redmon:

Sen. Jack Murphy’s Senate Bill 40 no longer includes penalties for certain private businesses that do not use the federal E-Verify program. That program seeks to verify newly hired employees are eligible to work in the United States.

He said he would also amend the bill to exempt businesses with four or fewer employees from a requirement to use E-Verify. His original bill exempted only businesses that participate in federal guest worker programs. An exemption is still in place in the new bill for businesses that hire temporary agricultural workers through the federal H-2A visa program.

In SB 40′S original language, businesses that failed to verify a prospective hire’s residency status through E-Verify were subject to a written reprimand on the first offense, and fines up to $10,000 thereafter, plus the loss of their business licenses.

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During a visit to Augusta, Gov. Nathan Deal refused to be drawn into shouting match with his South Carolina counterpart over funding for the dredging of the Port of Savannah. From Walter Jones with Morris News Service:

“I’m not going to get in any war of words with anybody,” [Deal said.] “We don’t need that. We need to work together.”

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has said since her inauguration two months ago that she aims to use her influence to block the deepening as a way to thwart Georgia’s economic dominance over her state…..

Deal expressed chagrin over Haley’s attitude. Roughly 40 percent of the workers at the Savannah port live in her state, he said.

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Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., has been named in a seven-way tie for most conservative member of the U.S. Senate by the National Journal. He’s right there with John Barrasso, R-Wyo., John Cornyn, R-Texas, Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, Jim DeMint, R-S.C., John McCain, R-Ariz., Jim Risch, R-Idaho, and John Thune, R-S.D.

No Georgians made it onto the NJ’s list of top 10 conservative House members.

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U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, whose district includes the the University of Georgia Odum School of Ecology, says he intends to use his new clout in the House to tackle the fictions of climate change.

From Blake Aued of the Athens Banner-Herald:

Broun, who became chairman of the Science, Space and Technology Committee’s subcommittee on investigation and oversight when Republicans took control of the House last month, said he plans to use hearings to show that manmade climate change is not settled science.

“We’re going to get all voices heard about the science of climate,” Broun said. “Right now the (Obama) administration turns a blind ear and eye to opposing views.”

….Broun said in 2009 that “the idea of human-induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated out of the scientific community.” He accused Democrats and scientists who support the theory of politicizing and suppressing data, but said Tuesday he is keeping an open mind.

“What I see from this administration is utilizing global warming to try to promote a political agenda,” Broun said. “I’m a scientist. I’m a physician. I believe we need to look at it on a scientific basis. I don’t know for certain, but we need to get the science out to the public so that all voices can be heard.”

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Nate Silver of the New York Times today takes the recent Gallup poll on Barack Obama’s job approval and ponders what the president’s strong showing in the South might mean for 2012:

The most intriguing possibility is probably Georgia, where Mr. Obama’s approval rating was 45.5 percent in 2010 — just slightly below the national average. Compare Georgia, for instance, to Missouri: Mr. Obama lost the former by 5.2 percentage points in 2008, and the latter by 0.1 point.

But Mr. Obama’s campaign heavily targeted Missouri, which it did not do for Georgia; that may have been worth several points. And Mr. Obama’s approval rating is now higher in Georgia than it is in Missouri. Depending on the identity of the Republican nominee and his or her geographic strengths, Georgia might be the better target for Mr. Obama.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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50 comments Add your comment

M

February 24th, 2011
9:40 am

Does this really surprise anyone? The GOP is all about pandering to the base with lip service on this issue while protecting business interests.

Follow the money...

February 24th, 2011
9:40 am

Cheap chicken and cheap lawn care for the “Rich”…will remain steadfast in GA…and, then, GA future generations will pay for it! Somethings never change! HA HA!

mark

February 24th, 2011
9:48 am

Broun says he believes in science, but not global climate change. What planet does he live on? He can go find his Exxonmobil scientists, his American Enterprise Insitiute or other conservative so called “think tank” to confirm that the world is flat. The national security council believes that global warming is an issue that needs to be dealt with. This homo erectus is in pure denile. And Denile is not a river in Africa.

Aquagirl

February 24th, 2011
9:51 am

More legislation killed by special interests. Wow, I’m so glad Georgia had this Red-State revolution. It’s so nice to see public servants supporting small government, lower taxes, and transparency.

Paul Broun is an embarrassment. Hold all the hearings you want, dummy, it’s not going to stop climate change.

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DaveDawg96

February 24th, 2011
10:00 am

Broun would make the list of the 10 craziest, ineffective house members. What an embarrassment he is to Athens.

As for the Obama survey, Georgia’s high African-American population (the highest of any state) will always give him a sizable approval rating. But it will always remain relatively stable, in the 40% range, nothing overwhelmingly high or low. The campaign’s thought was that Missouri, while lacking the same solid base, had a better chance of attaining a majority of voters on that particular day. I don’t see that strategy changing.

Whacks Eloquent

February 24th, 2011
10:01 am

What? No comment at all about the neanderthal in the Georgia house who is trying to criminalize miscarriages? Come on, Jim, there is not a bigger fool in the state of Georgia right now…

As I See It

February 24th, 2011
10:15 am

Georgia does need to remember that competitive business interests in other states will capitalize on restrictive laws Georgia may enact. Agriculture is a major revenue GENERATOR here even if metro Atlanta doesn’t see the fields and poultry plants on a daily basis. Agriculture feeds this nation. As their costs increase so do food prices for all of us.

HB87 had 16 or 17 revisions between it’s submission and the first hearing days later. Georgia can’t afford to take “boiler plate” laws drafted by out of state entities and make them work here. It “wasn’t ready for prime time” when unveiled the 1st or 2nd time. That wasted hundreds of hours of taxpayer time and money. And the revisions seem to continue. Seeing that wasn’t flying well, HB40 was presented by another lawmaker and it’s revisions continue.

These laws and their “relatives” seem DESIGNED to create lawsuits that will require teams of attorneys to defend (and taxpayers to pay for). While that will create jobs in the legal professions, it won’t do much for the rest of us other than increase our tax burden paying them.

Maybe our elected officials need to work on enticing businesses with JOBS to Georgia rather than drafting legislation that will chase revenue away. That would be a much more productive use of our tax dollars.

eatmotacos

February 24th, 2011
10:22 am

Re: Immigration Bill

If this surprises anyone, they haven’t been paying attention. The question is, how much more is it going to take to awaken Georgia’s citizens from their stupor? The level of corruption in Georgia politics now rivals any Banana Republic on the planet.

brandon

February 24th, 2011
10:28 am

You bunch of wimps!!!!!!! The public is begging for immigration reform and enforcement, you were elected to fix this huge problem.

Attention voters…………not all conservatives are conservatives and most are “BLOWING SMOKE UP YOU BUTT”!!!!!!!!

It seems like voters are not vetting the candidates and holding them to the fire!!!!!!

WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND???? IF I BREAK THE LAW THEN I GO TO JAIL……..IF AN ALIEN DOES THEN HE GETS TAX FREE PAY, A HOME, AND A PAT ON THE BACK FROM THE POLITICIANS.

GROW SOME PEOPLE!

eatmotacos

February 24th, 2011
10:35 am

@ As I see it

“Georgia does need to remember that competitive business interests in other states will capitalize on restrictive laws Georgia may enact.”

Interpretation: Don’t attempt to enforce any laws that might affect the bottom lines of the putrid corporations currently operating in Georgia, or they might move to an even more corrupt state – a state where the citizens are even more gullible, if that is even possible.

cary

February 24th, 2011
10:40 am

How did Broun get a medical degree? The man is an idiot and an embarassment. It’s amazing that some of these Neanderthals keep getting elected. Sure says somethinga about the intelligence of the GA electorate.
As far as the immigration debate goes, the fragile economy has to be protected. To pass the original bill would have done irreparable damage to the agricultural, manufacturing, hospitality, and construction industries in this state. In addition, we would waste a fortune, which we don’t have, on lawsuits. All the racists who are crying to “kick them out” want to “cut off their noses to spite their faces.”

KDAWG

February 24th, 2011
10:46 am

I like Tacos.

Bill

February 24th, 2011
10:50 am

Every day someone in the Georgia legislature does something to embarrass the citizens of Georgia. This lame brained bill to make criminalize miscarriages has again made us the joke of America. Everyone in Georgia is not ignorant but surely can’t tell it by our elected officials.

Edward

February 24th, 2011
10:54 am

Yet more examples of GOP hypocrisy. Like the state GOP cutting everything from education to indigent healthcare and food to needy children because “we just can’t afford it.” But, suddenly they can find nearly a BILLION dollars to finance Arthur Blank a big fat corporate welfare check to build a new football stadium. Funny how that works.

Joe

February 24th, 2011
10:56 am

Jim Galloway wrote, “U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, whose district includes the the University of Georgia Odum School of Ecology, says he intends to use his new clout in the House to tackle the fictions of climate change.

I’m trying to determine if Mr. Galloway is reporting that global warming is fiction or if he’s simply reporting that Representative Broun believes that global warming is fiction.

Georgia on my mind

February 24th, 2011
10:56 am

How many illegals kids have died this week by the hands of their criminal parents. 5-6. These people do not belong here and I want the criminals out of this country now. I also want the companies who are taking our jobs overseas to know, I will not support you any longer. You dont support Americans, do not expect Americans to support you.

Look at the record do not listen to campain junk. The record is fact, the compain promise is a lie. Do some research before you vote and you wont be disapointed,,,,, ever!

Labor strife will be his undoing

February 24th, 2011
10:59 am

The national labor strife will be obama’s undoing. The Wisconsin demonstrations will be the beginning of his end. Folks across the USA with jobs do not agree with the labor unions. Most private sector workers do pay for their benefit packages and do not agree with the demonstrators.

If Obamcare is so great ………….. why not INSIST that the Labor unions all be covered??? Obama is allowing UNIONS EXEMPTIONS on his so called health care. THIS fact will come out and it will be his undoing.

ml

February 24th, 2011
11:27 am

broun, another idiot that thinks the world has a thermostat!

Southside Shawty

February 24th, 2011
11:30 am

Strife- What does this thread have to do with Obama? You’re just overlooking GOP hypocrisy to somehow blame a dem for it. Rich!

Cissy

February 24th, 2011
11:32 am

Once again a Republican voter despairs of electing anyone from any party who is halfway competent. Thanks, Sen. Murphy, for making Republicans look as bad as Democrats say we are. If you introduced the immigration bill you should support it as written–it happens to be what your constituents want anyway. With these changes you are branding yourself as either incompetent or an outright liar.
Or maybe someone just found out your price–by February! Which I guess takes you into a whole ‘nother category of dishonest behavior.

td

February 24th, 2011
11:33 am

brandon

February 24th, 2011
10:28 am

“Attention voters…………not all conservatives are conservatives and most are “BLOWING SMOKE UP YOU BUTT”!!!!!!!!”

You are absolutely right and it is time to purge the party of all the RINO’s.

John

February 24th, 2011
11:48 am

We need to look at the overall costs that we bear for illegals (medical, schools, jails, government welfare programs (food stamps, taxpayer funded not free lunches and breakfats at schools,WIC, etc) english/spanish publications, the decline in school performance, gangs, crime and list goes on forever). I would rather pay more up front for products.

cs

February 24th, 2011
12:03 pm

Saxby chambliss most conservative right along with mckook…are you kidding me? A bush crony bank bailout/wallstreet tarp voter isnt a conservative. and if he is, that tells me the others are really really really pitiful.\\

Special interest want to cut state trees for their signs? Raise your signs higher!!!! or buy the land in front from the state. Interstate property aint cheap but that’s the cost of doing YOUR business, or lease it from the state for 5 grand a year, 20 year milimum.. Always wanting something for nothing. Billboards unlike trees are mostly eyesores and some of they kids dont need to be seeing period.

Michael

February 24th, 2011
12:27 pm

Every inflammatory wedge issue (flags, abortion, immigration, booze) is used as cover for the real chicanery the legislature commits in non-sexy areas like banking and tax givebacks to industry.

The Oddball

February 24th, 2011
12:39 pm

Has anyone posted a Top Ten Wacko list of congressmen? Georgia might have a better showing.

Bettybb

February 24th, 2011
12:42 pm

The Repubs and the Dems are putting the moneyed elite and their demands for cheap illegal labor ahead of regular Americans.

The Snark

February 24th, 2011
12:44 pm

Hate to burst your bubble, JOHN, but foreigners here illegally cannot get food stamps, WIC, Medicaid or Medicare. They get some of those other services you mentioned, but they also pay income taxes, as well as taxes for benefits that they will never receive (Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare.)

Last Man Standing

February 24th, 2011
12:46 pm

Apparently the elected representatives in Atlanta did not hear the voters. Illegal aliens were very high on the list of voters’ concerns. Obama and his worshippers will not deal with the issue and now the state is in the process of refusing to deal with it. Until this issue is resolved, the taxpayers will continue to be inundated with the costs of education, medical treatment, feeding, hospitalizing and jailing these illegal aliens and their families. U.S. citizens will be wounded or killed in automobile accidents and criminal actions by illegal aliens. My fervent prayer is that those elected to represent us and who have failed to act in this matter will suffer the same fate so many innocent U.S. citizens have suffered.

There may or may not be global warming. Even that issue is debated. If there is global warming, I doubt that man has caused it. Throughout the history of the earth, there have been periods of warming and cooling. It would appear that this is a cyclical event. Those who espouse man-made global warming appear to have an agenda which works to the detriment of the United States. While we pursue alternate energy sources and limited emission from fossil fuels, China does not. The laws that have been enacted and the legislation proposed for more laws represent a massive transfer of wealth globally and we will be the poorer for it. Al Gore laughs all the way to the bank and is till laughing when he boards his private jet to leave a giant carbon footprint across America.

Gringo

February 24th, 2011
1:01 pm

“He said he would also amend the bill to exempt businesses with four or fewer employees from a requirement to use E-Verify”

Key word there is “employees”. All you do is call your workers independent contractors and presto you have no employees. Believe me this is a subject I know about.

Joe

February 24th, 2011
1:51 pm

Gringo,

Several class action lawsuits have been won by people who were misclassified as independent contractors when they should have been classified as employees—leaving them ineligible for benefits and forcing them to pay the employer’s share of payroll taxes. On top of the back pay, the penalties for misclassifying employees as ICs are huge.

Believe me. This is not a subject you know about.

As I See It

February 24th, 2011
2:30 pm

Misinformed people see “brown skin” people who “look Hispanic” and ASSUME “illegal” “criminal” – when in fact the people they are looking at are hard working citizens by birth – with ancestry in this this country for multiple generations.

Additionally some “good citizens” don’t realize – or refused to believe – that those who are here without documentation DO pay taxes. Many have ended up here because they arrived as children and have no place to return to. They don’t qualify for benefits. But they DO subsidize citizen benefits.

Hate and extremist groups in Georgia seem to be alive and well promoting misconceptions. But may be worse is that GOOD people believe the rhetoric. Yes, I realize there is a large undocumented population, but they are the LEAST of our problems. Many want someone to BLAME! Today it’s Hispanics, before it was Blacks, the Irish etc…

There are SOME – citizens by birth – Georgia residents of multiple generations – who deem themselves ENTITLED to jobs and benefits (read income) without actually working – rather just for showing up and putting in their time.

How about a law criminalizing false accusations and paving the way for civil remedies, AWARDING, those who have been maligned as “illegal” “Mexican” “Hispanic” and the like – when they are in fact citizens.

Brittanicus

February 24th, 2011
4:39 pm

IS THIS YOU’RE STATES IMMIGRATION FUTURE?

States are in turmoil because they don’t have sufficient money to cover retirement pensions and money for health care for public employees. It began with Madison, Wisconsin but now it’s spreading to other States, with enormous holes in their treasuries. The time is now here to remove the illegal immigration portion of the problem. Just think about it? If–YOUR–your state doesn’t enforce harsh immigration laws, thousands will arrive there from Arizona or any other zero-tolerance State. When the Grand Canyon State of Arizona began drastic reduction measures, to cut-off welfare benefits, 14th Amendment birthright citizenship law for the babies of illegal immigrants and all the provisions of new policing legislation, the huge population of illegal foreign nationals starting moving out?

It’s really just common sense that they don’t want to be caught driving a vehicle without a license or insurance, so they will pack up their possessions. It’s obvious they are going to leave States with too much harassment and may be captured and turned over to ICE. But where lawmakers have dismissed or failed to enact policing laws they will be heading your way? Immediate States near the border have overcrowded schools full of the children of illegal aliens, given no chance for the students of the legal residents to get a decent education—again the law is mandated. Schools are so undernourished by not having enough money, they have to rely on school children parents for books and other classroom material or the teacher must buy extras from their salaries. Try having a minor accident at work and being rushed to the emergency room, only to wait in the reception room for hours because the whole place is crammed with people and their children sneezing and coughing with no English spoken; the law is mandated?

Arizona and other States are hoping to save their own financial hide, while soft convenient States as the Sanctuary State of California, Nevada mostly run by Liberal Progressives in Sacramento and Carson City are readying to justify raising more taxes on residents. A bundle of new enforcement laws to be passed by Arizona will send even more apprehensive illegal workers and families, going on selective journeys. To perhaps Utah, Colorado, Illinois, South Dakota, Florida or any number of States that might have corrupt State Senators and Representatives, who are feathering their nests with campaign contributions from big employers and radical wide open border groups. Lax State inhabitants will wish they spoke up and demanded of their State leadership to enact laws, with less pandering to foreigners squatting in their communities. Why didn’t they speak up, calling their State politician that they need a mandated E-Verify, 287 (G) or the Secure Community policing laws and then to sever all public payments and welfare.

California–of course will get the majority of the illegal influx of people from Arizona, but other States with less revenue, will also become a target for economic aliens. California right now is bleeding copiously from a 24 Billion deficit, high taxes and huge public expenditures for illegal aliens. It will send a message to Arizona and other restrictive illegal alien States, that Utah has opened the floodgates and they have a welcome mat out to economic illegal nationals who see the State as a welfare refuge for families, instant citizen babies and with that food stamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing and cash payments for every child they conceive and welfare. As an Utahan or any other State who is sick of the IRS snatching your taxes to support the millions of illegal aliens squatting in America, demand that your (Federal or State) Senators or Congressmen pull the plug on the illegal immigrant invasion. Your Telephone book generally has a listing of both your local State and US government lawmakers who supposedly represents your rights. You can also join the regional TEA Party where you live, but also become a member the million plus of pro-sovereignty group NumbersUSA.

As I See It

February 24th, 2011
4:59 pm

@Brittanicus – You might want to investigate your source of facts.

The pension and cost issues did not start in Wisconsin, they are just vocal and in the news. They are not the only state. Look up PolitiFacts about Wisconsin. Some years ago a similar kind of thing happened to airline pilots that resulted in lower pay and benefits for new hires. (Granted not a taxpayer supported entity)

Part of Wisconsin’s effort is directed at breaking unions, which is also true in other states. That is not so much of an issue in Georgia but does exist.

Take a look at the Anti Defamation League website and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Run your sources and the source affiliations through search engines with the terms – “Hate” and “Extremist.” and “supremacist.”

Look up Chris Koback, The Concerned Citizens Coalition, – start doing your own research and follow the money.

Repeating rhetoric does NOT make it accurate, but then for some – perception is reality.

blackbird13

February 24th, 2011
6:44 pm

One clue as to where Deal will end up on immigration can be found in the already altered HOPE cuts proposal. After only TWO days since its announcement, the hit retailers would have taken has already been reduced. Here’s betting it ends up going away altogether.

double

February 24th, 2011
7:21 pm

We did not have the illega problems until Obama was elected.Why was this problem not solved under the previous administration?China is the leader in Solar cell technology.And should I add education.

HL

February 24th, 2011
7:34 pm

So if we want illegals for small business, chicken processors and farmers can we make sure they don’t have children. It’s heartbreaking to see highly qualified college students kicked out of our country because of the sins of their fathers and our greedy businesses.

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AlladinsLamp

February 25th, 2011
5:33 am

“….Broun said in 2009 that “the idea of human-induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated out of the scientific community.” ”

And the other “greatest hoaxes” are what, Mr. Broun?

Atomic structure? Calculus? Fluoride?

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Ivey

February 25th, 2011
10:46 pm

Enclaves of illegals, even in our smaller towns in Georgia. Hiding behind large neighborhoods where one language is spoken. Look at the school systems! Drive down Buford highway. See the buses headed to and from Mexico in broad daylight. Where are the border security checkpoints in North Georgia that we we see ten miles into the US from the Mexican border? And we can’t get illegal immigration enforcement?? What is the matter with you Georgia conservatives; I am moving to Wisconsin.

Gary

February 27th, 2011
5:19 am

You don’t need a state law against hiring illegal aliens. Citizens can file a class action law suits under Title 8 Section 1324 US Code aiding,abetting,encouraging,transporting,harboring and hiring illegals is a felony.The RICO Staties apply here when two or more of the above laws are broken. This includes business groups,the illegal alien chamber of commerce who love illegal aliens, and employers who hire them.

Fire Eater

February 27th, 2011
7:55 am

Fire Eater

February 27th, 2011
8:00 am

We need to get back to the Founding Fathers on immigrantion to the US…they enacted the Immigration Act of 1790 which defined the desirable type of immigrants.

We are witnessing an assault on civilization like that foretold in the book “Camp of the Saints” by Jean Raspail.

Maria

February 28th, 2011
11:55 am

I hope all the teeth fall out and this witch hunt ends. As a person with a Hispanic name who was born in the USA, i am sick of this. You know I get DEATH THREATS from people who don’t like me because of MY NAME?I work,pay taxes,own my property,etc. and i’m sick of this hate!

SugarHillDawg

February 28th, 2011
4:25 pm

When are you Global Warming Scammers gonna give up the ghost??The jig is up! Give it up! The people are on to you! You honestly think that this country is gonna unilaterally tie it’s hands when China is building coal-powered power plants right and left??

SugarHillDawg

February 28th, 2011
4:28 pm

Well Maria, don’t blame us, blame the people who put you in this situation-the MILLIONS who have ignored our sovereignty to have a “better life”. They could have a better life if they’d change their country. We did it 234 years ago and y’all can too.