Nathan Deal on illegal immigration: Questions raised about use of E-Verify

The major bills on illegal immigration now moving through the state Capitol, SB 40 and HB 87, are very different in scope, but agree on one crucial point – most businesses in Georgia should be required to use the federal computer registry known as E-Verify to ascertain whether a new hire is a legal resident of the United States.

Gov. Nathan Deal/Bob Andres, bandres@ajc.com

Gov. Nathan Deal/Bob Andres, bandres@ajc.com

SB 40, sponsored by state Sen. Jack Murphy, has a clause intended to exempt farmers. HB 87, sponsored by state Rep. Matt Ramsey, does not.

This afternoon, after a speech to the Georgia Farm Bureau, Gov. Nathan Deal was asked whether farmers should be exempted. He didn’t answer that question directly – but he did indicate he had been approached by some who don’t think the system should be used at all.

Said Deal:

“There are questions being raised whether or not the E-Verify system is what we all assume that it is – easily used, reliable and accurate. I have not investigated those concerns. If that is a problem, then, of course, forcing someone to do something that’s not going to produce the results that you want is non-productive in the long run.

“We’re going to look at that, because the issue has been raised recently. We don’t want to become an undue burden on those who are trying to do the right thing. If E-Verify is a viable source of determining status – and that’s what it is intended to be – then I think it is a legitimate way of trying to determine what you’re really asking. And that is, are you actually authorized to work here in the United States.”

But as a congressman, Deal sponsored legislation to require that all businesses use the E-Verify system. Have his views changed?

”I’m just hearing some concerns expressed lately about the complexity of the use of the system by those who apparently have tried to use it [and] feel it is not what it has been proposed to be. I think it deserves to have those concerns investigated, and I have not done that up to this point.”

Would he accept an E-Verify exemption for farmers?

”I would hope that we would avoid that carving out of anybody in any particular category. I do recognize the great difficulty that they have – seasonal in nature, in some cases – which is not necessarily the same environment of a work force that other industries depend on.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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51 comments Add your comment

Road Scholar

February 8th, 2011
3:02 pm

Cmon Deal, whn will you do something besides talk about it!

another comment

February 8th, 2011
3:08 pm

e-verify for all, no exemptions. Now special interests. Stop the invasion. Save jobs.

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PO'ed Pundit

February 8th, 2011
3:22 pm

When are we going to stop allowing concessions for something that is law. There is far more at stake here than worrying about where the field or construction workers are going to come from once the E-Verify system is implemented. The people are here illegally, plain and simple. Sure, any system being presented to the masses will not be accepted with open arms initially. There is value in this proposal and I believe there will be a learning curve to the use of the system. Once it used and fully implemented, it will be a accepted norm in business.

Let’s not forget that these are positive steps to overcoming both economic and immigration issues. At least we are taking the steps to fix a broken system of legistlation and law.

Get on board people and make a difference.

JP

February 8th, 2011
3:24 pm

“But as a congressman, Deal sponsored legislation to require that all businesses use the E-Verify system. Have his views changed?

”I’m just hearing some concerns expressed lately about the complexity of the use of the system by those who apparently have tried to use it [and] feel it is not what it has been proposed to be.”

Makes you wonder what the heck he ever did in Congress….

On another note – why should farmers be exempt from doing what’s right?

Marie

February 8th, 2011
3:26 pm

Once again, when it is time to put up or shut up the politicians stammer.

Double Zero Eight

February 8th, 2011
3:41 pm

Looks like the politicians want to keep treating illegal
aliens as indentured servants. There should not be an
exemption for the farmers. By the time the legislature
gets through with the bill, it will be a watered down
version with loopholes for special interests and lobbyists.

mark

February 8th, 2011
3:48 pm

What part of “illegal” does that republican not understand?

Ric

February 8th, 2011
3:49 pm

If you don’t like Nathan Deal’s position on an issue, just wait a little while and he’ll change it to suit you.

i'm not illegal

February 8th, 2011
3:54 pm

Nathan “flip flop ” Deal will do whats best for his buddies with the fat pockets.Get rid of illegal workers so people without jobs can have them. Illegals are not in the unemployment line

Rick

February 8th, 2011
4:05 pm

And where does it end…When a tomato cost $10.00! I guess myself and the other medium income earners will quit sending our children to college and start telling them there is a future in being a tomato technician. Maybe we can create courses for them to study at college and have them get their degrees in advanced tomato picking. I love a BLT sandwich but I’m not picking any tomatoes. Maybe we can buy our tomatoes from China.

Steve

February 8th, 2011
4:13 pm

E-Verify does nothing except tell you whether the Social Security number entered is a valid number. There is no way of ascertaining whether or not the number provided actually belongs to the person who is applying for a job. They could be using someone else’s number, or a dead persons number, and E-Verify will not alert the employer in either case.

Ric

February 8th, 2011
4:20 pm

i’m not illegal,
If only it worked that way. There’s not a fixed number of jobs in our economy because we don’t have fixed labor markets; we have flexible, fluid labor markets. If we removed immigrant labor from the equation, regardless of their legal status, that would not necessarily free up those jobs for native-born workers. It’s simple math.
Immigrants typically create more jobs in our economy than they fill.

Rule .303

February 8th, 2011
4:20 pm

Deal will do whatever Chris Riley tells him to do.

Jason

February 8th, 2011
4:22 pm

Rick, how on earth did the people of the United States feed themselves before we started importing undocumented labor? It must have been a nightmare living in the US before the late 70s. Did anyone even know what a tomato tasted like back then besides the Rockefellers and Carnegies?

I’m pretty sure the United States of America will be just fine without indentured servitude. We got rid of slavery in the 1860s and were able to adjust to that change. We’ll be fine.

Fletch

February 8th, 2011
4:24 pm

Steve – “E-Verify does nothing except tell you whether the Social Security number entered is a valid number. There is no way of ascertaining whether or not the number provided actually belongs to the person who is applying for a job. They could be using someone else’s number, or a dead persons number, and E-Verify will not alert the employer in either case.”

Steve, we use E-verify for all of our clients across the country. Your right, E-verify will identify the discrepancy in the SS number. Once that happens, the employee is allowed 2 options:

1. Dispute the findings, and take the employer provided form generated form the E-verify system to the SS administration office to correct the error. Then they can return to work.

2. Accept the findings and agree to immediate termination.

Last year we processed over 1500 employees through E-Verify. Of that 1500, 300 came back with discrepencies. Of that 300, 5 elected to dispute the findings and straightned out the error with the SS Admin. Office. No idea where the other 295 went, but we never heard from them again. Bottom line, E-verify works very well.

td

February 8th, 2011
4:28 pm

Rick

February 8th, 2011
4:05 pm

Cut off all the welfare, 99 week unemployment, subsidised housing and free energy assistance and we will have a great many people out there ready and willing to pick those tomatoes at a good price.

Ric

February 8th, 2011
4:38 pm

Mandating E-Verify does not mean employers will actually comply with the mandate. Since Arizona passed the Arizona Legal Workers Act in 2008, only 33% of businesses in that state have enrolled. Among those that have enrolled, businesses don’t comply with the rules of E-Verify as well as businesses who use the program voluntarily. The problem with HB 87 and SB 40 is that they don’t allocate any resources to enforce the mandate. For that matter, while we’re furloughing teachers and cutting public safety budgets, do we really want use our limited law enforcement resources to target farmers, poultry plants, and construction companies?

What an E-Verify mandate does ensure, though, is that identity theft will skyrocket in Georgia. It also ensures unfair obstacles for legal immigrants, while doing very little to discourage undocumented immigrants from working.

Steve

February 8th, 2011
4:41 pm

Fletch,

My point was that no discrepancy is detected by E-Verify if the person is using a stolen SS number and a fake ID. Are you saying that it does?

sol

February 8th, 2011
4:44 pm

All the racist groups like the Tea Party would rather ruin the economy of this state even more than it already is than have unocumented labor. The agricultural and constuction industries in Georgia would be irreparably damaged if this kind of legislation is passed. But obviously people who are so blinded by racism and bigotry do not care.

al

February 8th, 2011
4:46 pm

With our economy in shambles, this is no time to do anything to hurt our economic recovery even more. All you racists just take a deep breath.

Drooly

February 8th, 2011
4:51 pm

Nathan Deal, you traitor.

td

February 8th, 2011
4:51 pm

Ric

February 8th, 2011
4:38 pm

“It also ensures unfair obstacles for legal immigrants”

What unfair obstacles? IS not the law very clear that all new employees have to be screened? How is this any more unfair to legal immigrants than citizens?

Ric

February 8th, 2011
4:54 pm

td,
E-Verify’s error rates are much higher for legal immigrants than for natives.

Fletch

February 8th, 2011
4:54 pm

Steve – “My point was that no discrepancy is detected by E-Verify if the person is using a stolen SS number and a fake ID. Are you saying that it does?”

Steve,

It’s not a perfect system, and if all of the information is aligned along with the I-9, then it may or may not catch the error. However, I’d still prefer to use a system that will catch the majority of the violators rather than none at all.

Fletch

February 8th, 2011
4:57 pm

Ric – “E-Verify’s error rates are much higher for legal immigrants than for natives.”

Great, then all they have to do is choose to disagree with the findings and go to the SS Administration, get squared away and return to work. It’s not much different than the current regulations under I-9 requiring verification of identity within 72 hours or face termination.

Steve

February 8th, 2011
5:03 pm

Fletch,

I agree with you that we should use the E-Verify system. But we can’t pretend that it is perfect. I’ve heard so many people say that the employers are to blame for the hiring of illegals. I’m just saying that the employers can follow all the rules and still have people slip through and end up on the payroll. If that happens, there should be no penalty to the employer, but the employee would be guily of fraud and should be deported or jailed.

yuzeyurbrain

February 8th, 2011
5:04 pm

I have heard that Deal’s own busn. interests have extensively employed illegals. I’m truly sorry that all you folks who voted for him thinking he meant what he said are so disappointed. But I suspect you would have voted for him no matter what and therefore you deserve what you get. In the meantime, his millions of dollars of debt are no longer mentioned because it has been “refinanced”. I’ll bet it has.

Ric

February 8th, 2011
5:07 pm

Fletch,
That would work well with businesses that comply with the rules of E-Verify, such as your own, but many businesses do not. In fact, about half of employers who use E-Verify to pre-screen job-applicants don’t inform the applicant of a TNC notice. If the job applicant doesn’t know about the error, he or she can’t file an appeal within the eight-day window and the tentative non-confirmation becomes a final non-confirmation, through no fault of the job-seeker.
This is compounded by the fact that DHS’s E-Verify department is understaffed.

Transpartisan

February 8th, 2011
5:20 pm

Georgia Agribusiness Council opposes these bills.
Georgia Farm Bureau opposes these bills.
Georgia Municipal Association opposes these bills.
Association of General Contractors opposes these bills.
Presbyterian, Catholic, Methodist, and UU groups oppose these bills.
Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police oppose this bill.

So who is it that supports this bill?
1) A guy who paid homeless guys $10 to hold signs at his rally
2) Corrections Corporation of America, of Tennessee, which would stand to profit from the passage of HB 87 and SB 40, and dozens of Georgia politicians (including Ramsey, Golick, Hatfield, Seabaugh, and Hamrick) who have recieved campaign contributions from CCA.

Last Man Standing

February 8th, 2011
5:22 pm

JP:

No one should be exempt. Farmers lobby hard to keep their farm subsidies (farm welfare) and they want to hire illegals and pay less labor costs. This absolutely adds to the problem of illegal aliens.

No exemptions. No passes – for any group!

Verify, not refry

February 8th, 2011
5:25 pm

Farmers already receive government subsidies. Reduce welfare benefits and the people receiving them will move from the govt daycare to the onion fields of Vidalia. There is over 10% unemployment. Someone do the math. Are there really not enough unemployed people with real SS#’s available to pick an onion? Don’t think so. Let’s quit propping up farmers. Get rid of illegals and the farmers will have to pay a fair wage and we’ll have to pay a dime more per onion but alot less for illegals hijacking our services and by default farmers doing the same thing.

catlady

February 8th, 2011
5:42 pm

Our main industry has employed a person whose job it was to be sure people’s ID and SS numbers “matched up”. All Everify does is check that–it does NOT check to see if the person really IS who the ID says. And the industry victoriously proclaims that it uses Everify! Got a lot of people who claim to be someone they are not, and absent any biometrics, they pass everify. A large employer who skates by the law by using everify.

td, if we cut off all welfare, etc, we will also need to cut off the exemptions for housing loan interest, the subsidized student loans, Medicare, and Social Security (the latter two because you get in FAR more than you pay out). You want to be first?

I DO absolutely think we have made it too easy to NOT work. Time to change that. Hungry and cold is a stern taskmaster. Work is a (at least partial) cure for poverty.

deegee

February 8th, 2011
6:15 pm

I live in Nathan Deals old congressional district. He did nothing in the 18 years that he was in congress. He sponsored and cosponsored a lot of anti-abortion and anti-illegal legislation that went nowhere. He did nothing to resolve the problem with sharing water out of Lake Lanier, which happens to be located in the district that he represented. But, what the heck. He was the first out of the block of republican contenders screaming “eeeeeleeeeegals”, and you voted for him.

Eva

February 8th, 2011
9:26 pm

Well well, Nathan Deal the centrist (scratching head). If it’s illegal for any industry to hire illegal immigrants then it should be illegal in agriculture as well. It’s not just about US, those who work illegally are taken advantage of, work in terrible conditions for very little money. And from what I’ve read and heard, E-verify works very well. I’m an immigrant and I was in the system as not authorized to work in US, even though I am. I was still allowed to get the job until I resolved the issue. I simply had to scan and send my documents to US Immigration Dep. It took about 5 minutes of my time and it did not affect my employer at all. I still got paid and my employer had nothing to do with any of it. What happened to me has happened about 2-3% of time, so about 97% of time E-verify is accurate. It certainly didn’t bother me…

Hot tamale

February 8th, 2011
10:15 pm

“– but he did indicate he had been approached by some who don’t think the system should be used at all.”

Some? As in, some with campaign contribution cash in hand.

Rabbit

February 8th, 2011
11:57 pm

Okay. You’ve read the bill and you’re saying to those who,question it “what part of illegal don’t you understand?” But you won’t mind that the bill will violate the law that requires a cost analysis before getting out of committee since that law is widely ignored anyway. What part of illegal will taxi drivers who don’t e-verify not understand? What about getting E-verified at the parkNfly, the airport, Marta. will school bus drivers e-verify students? Church buses?They sure don’t want to commit an illegal act. Will the state catch the bill for the local jurisdictions holding the illegal persons until the Feds pick’em up? How long can they be held if the Feds don’t come?
The cost of this bill has not been weighed and until it is, there’s no way you can argue a balancing test.

Rabbit

February 9th, 2011
12:04 am

The 7 or 8 new crimes created by this bill should be carefully evaluated to assess the unintended consequences. Will the transportation restrictions require church bus drivers to e-verify or face criminal charges for transporting felonious numbers of undocumented people? Or any common carrier for that matter?

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oskar

February 9th, 2011
1:57 am

Y’all need to get your nomenclature right – it’ll help you understand the problem. Don’t say “farmers” say “Corporate Farms”. Bubba Countryboy with his 10 acres of turnips isn’t luring thousands of illegals here to work under the table for him.

LL

February 9th, 2011
9:15 am

Just to E- verify this for everyone vegetable growers do not receive government subsidies and the only way they will ever be able to use domestic workers is to as someone mentioned reduce the welfare benefits and all the loopholes for Americans and then they might start wanting to spend hours in the heat, bending, pulling, and working hard to make a living. Till then guess who has to do the work.

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findog

February 9th, 2011
10:13 am

Steve @ 4:13
The E-Verify system is a little more than what you state. The prospective employee has to provide several pieces of identification like say: driver’s license, social security card, and voter registration card; that can then be verified through a big brother data base. There will always be vendors of false documents but at least with this system we make them work harder. Further employers are then covered from liability claims for improperly documented workers…
or
cut off internet access to idiots who do not check their facts

LRAdams

February 9th, 2011
10:25 am

We should have seen this coming an eight million dollar *I forgot*. Then bailing out his alleged adult son. Topped off by property problems. Here we go* we elected another *mama’s boy*. Get ready for a four year disaster.

rafa

February 9th, 2011
7:20 pm

tabacco season begins next month ,who ’s ready ?

rafa

February 9th, 2011
8:09 pm

WHERE IS THE MONEY OF INCOME TAX OF ILLEGAL PEOPLE ??????
HOW MUCH THE POLICE GOT FOR TRAP ILLEGAL WHIT OUT LISENCE WHEN THEY CHARGING $1500 JUST FOR ONE. ????????????????????????????????????????
I GUESS THE NEW CHARGERS WHIT LEDS EXPLAIN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what a fine state of denial we live in

February 9th, 2011
10:20 pm

Let’s be honest- Georgia business wants to hire illegals. And the Republicans are in the pocket of Ga business. Ergo, forget a bill that will penalize businesses for hiring them. In fact, the President of each company should be duck walked to the patrol car to take him to jail.

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Battaglia

February 11th, 2011
9:10 am

Now listen to Rick you bunch of lazyyyyasss lambs! like he says I’m not going to pay $5.00! for 2 freaking apples $6 for a freakingg lettuce etc etc etc And I freakinggg doubbbt 99.99% of you would want those jobs!! Get up @ freaking 4am in the morning go to the fields and do the picking for 16 hours!!!!! 7 days a week!!!

Rick

February 8th, 2011
4:05 pm
“And where does it end…When a tomato cost $10.00! I guess myself and the other medium income earners will quit sending our children to college and start telling them there is a future in being a tomato technician. Maybe we can create courses for them to study at college and have them get their degrees in advanced tomato picking. I love a BLT sandwich but I’m not picking any tomatoes. Maybe we can buy our tomatoes from China”

Marge

February 12th, 2011
12:59 am

E-Verify for all. We want businesses who use illegal aliens to FAIL. I’ll import my damn onions. If the farmers knowingly use illegal aliens and who do not get them their allowed legal visas for farming then they should fail. We are tired of all this excuse-making for cheap labor while their families flood our schools and hospitals. Deport them all. Get out of my country! Our quality of life will improve when we deport these parasites. The whole world wants a better life. Clean up your own countrly and stop invading ours.