If this illegal immigrant bill passes, watch what you say to strangers

Legislation just introduced by state Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, to control illegal immigration is getting some scrutiny.

From my AJC colleage Jeremy Redmon:

Similar to Arizona’s controversial new law, Ramsey’s bill would require state and local law enforcement officers to investigate the immigration status of people they reasonably suspect of being in the country illegally. It would also authorize police to arrest them if they are in the country illegally and transport them to a federal jail….

Ramsey’s bill would also require private businesses with more than five employees to use a federal program called E-Verify. That program seeks to verify that newly hired employees are eligible to work in the United States. A coalition of businesses and immigrant rights groups is suing to stop a similar law in Arizona that requires all businesses to use E-Verify, arguing that it is unconstitutional.

Not exactly pioneering concepts. But below is an excerpt from the press release issued by Ramsey, describing his intent – the legislation itself has yet to be posted online:

”The bill also creates criminal penalties for any individual that encourages an illegal alien to come to Georgia or that transports or harbors an illegal alien once they arrive.”

If this passes, do not talk to strangers — at home or abroad — about what damn fine weather we have here in Georgia, or make reference to how friendly and hospitable this state’s people are. Under no circumstances are you to hum about moonlight coming through the pines. You could find yourself doing time.

Oh – and Greyhound? Call your lobbyist.

Hat tip to Jason Pye on this one.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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205 comments Add your comment

Inman Park

January 26th, 2011
1:38 pm

A nation (and the people in it) has a right to protect its borders, Illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL! WHy is that so hard to understand?

the law

January 26th, 2011
1:41 pm

its a crime to enter without inspection. 8 USC 1325. “shall … be fined … or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both…”

georgian

January 26th, 2011
1:45 pm

Hmmm. This would make our poultry industry and our farmers criminals.

General Spanky

January 26th, 2011
1:52 pm

“…or that transports…an illegal alien once they arrive.”

MARTA better get themselves a good lawyer.

It’s unfortunate, expensive and time-consuming but these state statutes (GA, AZ etal) are necessary because the federal government has failed to carry out its responsibilities to secure our borders and to apprehend and expel illegal aliens. Very few Americans are anti-immigration; most however are anti-illegal immigration. Big difference.

RetiredSoldier

January 26th, 2011
2:06 pm

Well said General.

Jon

January 26th, 2011
2:11 pm

We’re not “hospital” we’re “hospitable”

Just Wait

January 26th, 2011
2:19 pm

We obviously need to do something about illegal immigrants, but if this type bill passes, DO NOT complain about police response when you need them. They will be very busy carrying prisoners, not to the local jail, but to a federal facility. The police can hardly keep up now. Not to mention the money it will cost the the Feds sue Georgia and the the illegals sue the cops!

raj52

January 26th, 2011
2:27 pm

WHAT A HIPPOCRATE what do you think these politicians are these are the same peoples sitting inthe congress and there they do not want to pass any immigration reform bill but in the states they become champions of the cause what a shame why does an average AMERICAN cannot understand their games and vote for those who stand on their feet with their spine straight and look into the eyes of the people and speak out that they want this immigration mess to be cleared or not stop playing with this just to get votes.Please be true to your self if not the country.Why pass the stupid bills state wise,,county wise or city wise why the public has to speak? why not these elected congress men and senators? they are their because of us so they should be representing us and speaking to fellow congress men and senators to clean this mess up BUT NO they will not because they need some burning issues for every election and immigration could be the best for them.What they preach they do not practice and what they promise they do not fulfill .I am surprised waht we Americans cannot understand and we get carried away with false promises instead to cursing the illegal immigrants why not curse the politicians who have put the country in this mess.
LET THEM BE ANSWERABLE AND NOT CURSE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TO MAKE A LIVING AND BETTER FUTURE and believe me these politicians if they want they can pass such a law without hurting anyone that all these illegals will go home in a day and that is be strict on the employers the simple funda is no jobs no money why would they stay here.Have you guys read the numbers that the illegal immigration fell due to bad economy so why these world renowned politicians cannot understand that let the economy be bad for these illegals they will never come back

tony

January 26th, 2011
2:30 pm

I am a booking officer at a small county jail in southeast Ga. This bill would put a burden on the taxpayers in the county.Who do you think is going to house them? Not the feds.We can’t get ICE to pick up the ones that we bring in. They pay cash for their traffic fines and they leave. We also do not have in place a system to find out who’s illegal or not.The county tax payers would have to foot the bill for the system. Mark my words.The feds will not pick them up and the local tax payers will foot the bill to keep them in jail because it will be a state charge.That also includes their medical costs.So be careful what you wish for.

Last Man Standing

January 26th, 2011
2:31 pm

General, you said it very well. I know of no one who is anti-immigration. I also do not know anyone who supports illegal immigration. One of the very few responsibilities that the federal government is charged with is the protection of the borders. They do not perform that task well. If we adopted Mexico’s laws and penalties concerning illegal immigration, I believe that we would drastically reduce the number of illegal immigrants.

thebob.bob

January 26th, 2011
2:36 pm

All whites of European ancestry are illegal immigrants. They were religious fanatics who invaded the continent and murdered, raped and pillaged the native-born Americans. Their descendants should leave at once.

GaBlue

January 26th, 2011
2:37 pm

Officer Tony,

Thank you for explaining the importance of logistics. But since the armchair ideologues rarely think beyond the task of justifying their latest rant, don’t expect the people of Georgia to hear or understand what’s really involved in “solving” this problem.

Black Conservative

January 26th, 2011
2:39 pm

@ General and Soldier – How do YOU propose the feds protect the borders without increasing the size of government? This is a complicated issue and the solution is not that simple. I am for proper enforcement of current laws on the books, but as we have witnessed, the last concern most politicians have (especially those here in GA) is paying for the laws they pass. What Ramsey proposes will be expensive and it will burden our court systems with law suits. Plus, it has the potential to infringe on First Amendment rights.

Sea Worthy

January 26th, 2011
2:53 pm

Illegal aliens SHOULD be arrested, prosecuted and exported from the country as soon as they are found. I hope Ramsey’s bill passes with a unamious vote!

RetiredSoldier

January 26th, 2011
2:56 pm

Black-

Last part first, you need to explain why you think it violates the 1st amendment, I don’t think so.

How do we pay for this and do this without increasing the size of govt? Simple, if this is a priority then you reduce spending in other areas and reduce personnel in other areas and add personnel to enforcement. It can be a zero sum decision if hard choices are made.

Law suits? One should never chart their path based on fear of a law suit. The right thing is the right thing regardless of others actions.

Sam of Georgia

January 26th, 2011
3:02 pm

Were the borders secure during the 8 years that Bush was president or during the 12 years when Reagan/Bush served as president. This and other state immigration bills are just for show and to grab headlines. Let’s focus on things that create jobs for all that want to work.

mj

January 26th, 2011
3:03 pm

Perp walk the CEOs of any company or government agency where illegal workers are found. That’s also a law that’s not being enforced.

….now sit back and wait for the farm lobbyists to switch from lobbying for the annual Farm Bill subsidies to demand the government leave the poor farmers alone.

td

January 26th, 2011
3:03 pm

“How do we pay for this and do this without increasing the size of govt? Simple, if this is a priority then you reduce spending in other areas and reduce personnel in other areas and add personnel to enforcement. It can be a zero sum decision if hard choices are made.”

I am sure the savings in Medicaid cost and education will more than pay for the initial expense.

td

January 26th, 2011
3:06 pm

Sam of Georgia

January 26th, 2011
3:02 pm
Were the borders secure during the 8 years that Bush was president or during the 12 years when Reagan/Bush served as president

No they were not and I was raising H3ll then and am raising it now. The only bad decision Regan made in office was amnesty.

Atlanta-born Latino

January 26th, 2011
3:09 pm

It’s still amazing to me the level of bigotry and hatred that I see expressed about illegal immigration. By definition ANY individual who overstays their visa is in the country illegally, and that includes millions of people from Europe, Asia, Africa, even Canada.

However, it is obvious from the language and the intent of this proposed legislation and from your comments that the only “illegal immigrants” that you have a problem with are those who are hispanic!

On top of that, I’ve never heard any of you express that you’d be willing to pay thousands more for housing, and a substantial amount more for your fruits, vegetables, and meats if they had to pay Americans to pick them off trees and work the meat processing plants. Illegal immigration exists for the simple reason that the demand still exists for their services.

And as far as the cost of burdening the system, which costs less??? SPENDING resources to round em up and hold them here til the feds come get them, or provide a path for them to legalize themselves and pay the appropriate fees? Do you realize that just the basic fees to attain a green card with no extra fines is over $3,000 per person??? With over 12,000,000 “illegals” here that is over $36 BILLION in revenue if we opened that path….

clipper

January 26th, 2011
3:17 pm

Matt, pass is guaranteed. Stick to your guns, damn the idea of me and fellow americans paying the tab for illegals.

Flat Tax

January 26th, 2011
3:19 pm

Give us a flat tax and let everyone in! The rich should not burden the poor and the poor should not burden the rich. Drug dealers, bartenders, illegal immigrants… everyone will pay equally and it will be the end of the discussion.

Trey

January 26th, 2011
3:19 pm

Do what you gotta do. Send ‘em back.

SirReal

January 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

@bob well said…

Beth

January 26th, 2011
3:25 pm

I handle all new hires for a private company, well over 100 a year. I am not mandated to use E-verify as I have no government contracts. I have been waiting YEARS to be forced to use it. You have no idea whats going on in the real world. Think all the way to workers compensation settlements that end up in Mexico via Western Union. Makes me sick and we all pay.

Mr. Chamber of Commerce

January 26th, 2011
3:26 pm

Businesses will leave the state. Agriculture will take a huge hit. Boycotts will occur. Conventions will cancel. Hotels and restaurants will go out of business. Police won’t be able to their job b/c they will be hauling brown people around.

You shallow idiots in support of this legislation are going to bring this great state to its knees. Idiots!

HereandThere

January 26th, 2011
3:27 pm

You guys many here without papers were here when the policy was you only got deported if you committed a felony. Hiding behind the “they are illegal” argument is just that, hiding. The State of Georgia economically is dependent on these so called illegal immigrants. Sales tax revenues, income tax revenues, property tax revenues, business revenues – I could go on. This law is an intrusive thrust into our lives by the government and for a conservative state to promote such unnecessary intrusion illustrates the hypocrisy.

peace

January 26th, 2011
3:28 pm

@Atlanta-born Latino
good point

Voice of Reason

January 26th, 2011
3:29 pm

I am all for ending illegal immigration. If this bill would do it, fine. BUT…why could we not simply make it illegal to pay an illegal immigrant or receive payment as an illegal immigrant? Also, why could we not disallow any government funds, ie medicare, medicaid, WIC, emergency room treatment…disallow ANY funds to illegals…? This would solve the problem with no shots, no walls, nothing. They come for the MONEY people!!! Money that taxpayers provide. Also, we should end citizenship for so called anchor babies. The original intent of this law was not massive subversion of our immigration laws.

NE Ga. Poultry Guy

January 26th, 2011
3:29 pm

I reckon I will have to move my farm. I never thought Georgia would get worse than Alabama or Mississippi but it’s happening before my very eyes.

HereandThere

January 26th, 2011
3:30 pm

@Beth does your company withold social security and medicare payments on the wages of these workers you feel are undocumented? They are supposed to be. And guess what these undocumented workers can’t collect any benefits from the 14% in social security and medicare payments being withheld from their paychecks and they don’t get unemployment benefits. Believe me they are paying their fair share. The State of Georgia is not losing money on them.

If your company is not withholding taxes then you don’t need EVerify to report them.

HereandThere

January 26th, 2011
3:31 pm

14% includes employee match so more correctly stated as 14% paid on their wages by employee and employer.

Moonlight

January 26th, 2011
3:32 pm

Let the word go out… Georgia is no longer the state too busy to hate. We don’t want your kind here. This legislation makes it clear.

Beth

January 26th, 2011
3:32 pm

Here and there: I wish you could see all the W2’s I just printed that ZERO was paid to Federal and State. Not 1 dime. But then that would be illegal to show them to you……..some of us follow the rules!

Neighboring States

January 26th, 2011
3:34 pm

Thank you so much for doing this Georgia! The Economic Development departments of all your neighboring states could not have planned this better! We will gladly take the businesses you want to run off.

Beth

January 26th, 2011
3:34 pm

Yes, the mandated 7.65% Wish that was ALL that came out of my check.

HereandThere

January 26th, 2011
3:35 pm

@ voice of reason the term anchor baby applied when the baby could sponsor the parents to become citizens. Law was changed so they can’t sponsor them until they reach the age of 21 so hardly an anchor.

People aren’t risking their lives to come here just to have a baby.

And yes it is about money. Not money the state is giving them. Heck if you aren’t in DeKalb or Fulton you aren’t paying for Grady anyway. And what money is the state giving them? The state is making money off of them. Heck look at all the lottery scratch of tickets geared towards people from Central America – the Lotteria scratchoff? The can’t afford for to lose the revenues they collect from this group.

Atlanta-born Latino

January 26th, 2011
3:36 pm

@HereandThere, and Mr. Chamber of Commerce: Well Said

@Beth – and how do those payments compare with the MILLIONS your private company saves every year in lower wages???

Economic Observer

January 26th, 2011
3:37 pm

As the nation recovers, Georgia will decline. I cannot imagine a worse anti-business bill as this one.

HereandThere

January 26th, 2011
3:39 pm

Beth if they are claiming to many dependents the law as they exist now allows the state to audit their taxes and collect taxes due. Then again maybe they aren’t making enough to be subject to taxes after deductions anyway. What’s the wage level – in general.

And most americans aren’t paying more than a 14% effective rate anyway which is the amount being paid for there SS in Medicare. You get the benefit of that 14% they don’t. So that makes it a tax. Most people paying less than 40k a year are paying less than 15% income tax.

wow

January 26th, 2011
3:41 pm

This state is going downhill faster than the economy. Last thing we need is uneducated and angry cops having a yet another excuse to screw with you because their life sucks.

There is a reason why immigration is a federal matter and not the jurisdiction of a 21yo GED idiot barney who hasn’t left his own county his entire life

td

January 26th, 2011
3:43 pm

NE Ga. Poultry Guy

January 26th, 2011
3:29 pm
I reckon I will have to move my farm. I never thought Georgia would get worse than Alabama or Mississippi but it’s happening before my very eyes.

And you do not think these states are not going to follow suit?

HereandThere

January 26th, 2011
3:43 pm

Although it might seem that deporting all unauthorized immigrant workers from the labor force would automatically improve job prospects for unemployed Americans, the fact is that employment is not a “zero sum” game. Mass deportation would actually reduce U.S. GDP by 1.46% annually, amounting to a $2.6 trillion cumulative loss in GDP over 10 years, and cost an estimated $206 billion to $230 billion over 5 years. The notion that unemployed natives could simply be “swapped” for employed unauthorized immigrants is not valid economically. There is little apparent relationship between recent immigration and unemployment rates at the regional, state, or county level.

CT

January 26th, 2011
3:43 pm

I think we should have the Georgia Air National Guard on standby at the major hospitals in Georgia. As soon as an illegal immigrant arrives for childbirth, we fly them to back to their native country. Sure it’d be expensive but when you consider the costs of childbirth, WIC, Medicaid, welfare, ESL education and more, it might be a good deal. Or we can invoke the 13th Amendment that permits involuntary servitude for criminals. If they want to break the law to obtain work, then put them to work.

Merleliz

January 26th, 2011
3:45 pm

We have to stop the flow of illegals into this state unless you want Georgia to end up like California…flat broke! Do you realize how much taxpayer money goes to supporting illegals? 10 BILLION dollars a year! We have fellow Georgians out of work and desperate for money to feed their families. Dalton and Calhoun are about to become ghost towns. Americans first, people…and by Americans first, I include LEGAL immigrants to this country…who followed the law and did the right thing to get here!

@crazyforliberty (Doug Craig)

January 26th, 2011
3:45 pm

They proplem is not illegals but our Government. You pay for thier kids because we have government schools we paid for thier food because we have welfare.The average wait time for a Mexican to do the right thing and wait in line is 105 years even is they have a legal family member here. This is one of the longest waits for any one country.Most of the Mexican would do what ever we ask of them, they just want the American Dream I believe most do not want amensty but a chance not to be Illegal. Most Illegal are better workers and Americans than native born Americans

USMC dawg

January 26th, 2011
3:49 pm

Leave it to a Moronic Liberal like Jim Galloway to draw a conclusion like this.

Jim, how about having a spine and let’s address the F’d up situation we find ourselves in.

They are adressing the employers that hire ILLEGALS by persuading them to come and work here in the U.S.

But NO! Jim Galloway and the AJC try to pull the victim card out and draw the wrong conclusions, AS USUAL!

Please remember they are ILLEGAL! MORON

Beth

January 26th, 2011
3:50 pm

Here n There: What on earth makes you think they even file income tax??? I have never received a levy from the State of GA in 12 years…..not one. Other states, yes. I have received Federal levy’s but the employee is long gone. And no past employee, that I suspect but cannot prove status, has ever called looking for a missing W2. And the wage….all are well above the poverty level.

Small town citizen

January 26th, 2011
3:51 pm

HereandThere, We can shed your cost by the billions that it costs to provide social programs and welfare for these people, educating their kids, and funding their healthcare. IMO if the feds wont provide legal relief for this then the states have every right to do such. States like California and Georgia are being bankrupt by the illegals and citizens in Arizona are being KILLED by them, not to mention the cost there.

As far as your farmers needing the help, well I have a solution for that too. Every person on the welfare roll will report to a farm for a 40 hour job. There, the farmers can pay into the welfare system, the welfare people will get off welfare and the illegals can go home and come back the right way. The way I see it, that will save Trillians to the US taxpayer who does not deserve to be robbed every week because people are either illegal or to lazy.

Corey

January 26th, 2011
3:52 pm

Conservatives- epecially the red state variety- are driven by fear, paranoia, mean spiritedness and spite. They always look outside of themselves for thier own misery and lay blame at the feet of this or that group. If it isn’t the blacks, it’s the hispanics, or the Muslims, or the gays, or the welfare recepients, or the libs ad nauseam. The very same people who are so afraid of their fellow worshippers and want to sit in the pew on Sunday morning packing heat.