Bill would bar all illegal immigrants from Ga. universities
From the Associated Press:
A Republican state lawmaker has introduced legislation that would ban all Georgia’s public colleges and universities from accepting illegal immigrants.
The Board of Regents last month adopted a policy under which the university system’s five most competitive schools are effectively barred from accepting illegal immigrant applicants beginning in fall 2011.
The legislation prefiled on Wednesday by state Rep. Tom Rice, a Norcross Republican, would prohibit all of the university system’s 35 schools from admitting illegal immigrants.
Rice said he did not think the Regents went far enough.
Immigration is expected to be a hot topic at the state Capitol when lawmakers reconvene in January.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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PR
November 17th, 2010
10:50 pm
Foreign companies, I would hope, have legal aliens working for them here in GA. I am glad to see this bill introduced. Why the hell should my tax dollars be used to teach a bunch of illegals? As far as I’m concerned illegals do not deserve any kind of break from this country. No protection under the law, nothing. If you are here illegaly you are a criminal! Illegals bring drugs, crime, filth and no morals. Ship them home in a cattle truck cause that’s what they are…animals.
Common Sense 752
November 17th, 2010
10:54 pm
Actually, Republicans have bankrupted us by giving tax cuts to millionaires. See Bush, George W. He doubled the national debt from $6Trillion to $12 Trillion. Ronald Reagan tripled it from $1 Trillion to $3 Trillion. They also took away the interest tax deduction on the automobiles we drive to work but left them on vacation homes, yachts etc. Not a real good track record for the middle class.
Immigration will never cost as much as we blew in Iraq and Afghanistan but you guys will never get that.
Common Sense 752
November 17th, 2010
10:59 pm
Not a history buff huh. The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964, by Lyndon Johnson…but why would you let the truth get in the way of a good rant.
eatmotacos
November 17th, 2010
11:04 pm
The lack of immigration enforcement is bipartisan – Zaxby initiated the moratorium on rounding up illegal aliens – it is well documented. The “Carpet Cartel”, who sacrificed Dalton, are all Republicans. They are more than happy to use your tax money to subsidize cheap labor for their cronies.
Edie
November 17th, 2010
11:06 pm
When are we going to talk about what price the parents of illegal alien children should pay for breaking the law? “Community service” for 5 years, two days a week? Many states are in a state of mess right now due to the bad economy. State Buildings need painting, parks need to be cleaned up, calls could be made to educate the public on so many subjects, …
Until we talk about the punishment, we should not be talking about the rewards from their illegal actions.
aladawg
November 17th, 2010
11:06 pm
To all you simpleton, idiotic moron imbecile damn liberal sh–heads that don’t like this bill get the hell out of the United States and go live in that stink hole called Mexico.
Common Sense 752
November 17th, 2010
11:10 pm
I am proud to stand up for people…you can call me any name you want to…but I was born here and there is nothing you can do about it.
Frank
November 17th, 2010
11:19 pm
I served in the U.S. Army for 28 years and lived around the world. I paid attention to the natives when they would comment about Americans being slow, backward and did not or could not fit in. I began to realize and understand just what they were saying. Take a good look at yourselves and you you will understand what I am saying. How many languages do you speak, or should I say how many languages which you are capable of learning. The south with buba and the belles are as backwards today as they were in 1861. They fly the rebel flag between they cheeks and swear they are God,s gift to the world. I truly feel sorry for them, for they no not the fools the world see them as and wonder why they rest of the world hates them so. They would argue jealousy, that the world is just envious of America. I guess that could be so since we have such a wonderful society where murder, rape and robbery has made us a armed camp, did I forget the crimes against chrilden. Things are changing and will change, there will be no place to hide your lies because the world has grown up and sadly to say this false claim of being a superpower is only a mirage. The bill owed is coming due. Hate will lose as the evil beings who provide the engine which drives the vehicle. What does getting an education hurt any one of us? Realize that Georgia is not the only player in the game. I would advise them all to go elsewhere where they are appreciated, and the same for big business. I could care less, if the tax base get worse, it will make Sherman,s march seem as days of wine and roses. Keep hating, you have much to look forward to and will continue to be a third rate looser.
John
November 17th, 2010
11:30 pm
To all idiots not listening to the problem. We do not want to send 2 year olds back. We do not want to deny anyone an education. We do not want to deny hard workers employment. We do not want these illegals to “disappear”. But by God, attain these things the same way as those who founded this country and the other millions who migrated here…LEGALLY!!!! How freakin hard is it to understand? We all want others to enjoy the same rights we have enjoyed. This is the greatest country in the world. But it won’t be for long if immigrants continue to break the law.
John
November 17th, 2010
11:32 pm
What are you talking about Frank? This string of posts is regarding illegal immigrants.
John
November 17th, 2010
11:38 pm
752: My 2 least prosperous years as a business owner have been under this administration. Consequently, my employee’s least prosperous as well. Who are you employed by? The homeless? By the way, Obama said during his campaign, he would bring the troops home. 2 years in, still waiting. This isn’t a lie, it is the definition of a lie.
Frank
November 17th, 2010
11:39 pm
I love it, what fools. I assure you the world is also laughing. These people work, hard doing what you will not do. Who will do these things when they are gone. The blacks will not , maybe the redneck flag waivers will. I have a college education and will make sure my grandchildren continue to get a college education so they will never go back to where I came from, I laugh because I don,t need you, I don,t worry about a job or money, how many of you haters` can say that.
IAMJUSTSAYING
November 17th, 2010
11:45 pm
I totally agree with this bill i HOPE IT PASSES…ONLY IN AMERICA CAN PEOPLE COME AND JUST RUN AMUCK!!!!…..I AM TIRED OF US MAKING SPECIAL ACCOMMDATIONS FOR OTHERS THAT WE ALL KNOW THEIR COUNTRIES DON’T AND WON’T MAKE FOR US…………..AND WHAT -PART OF ILLEGAL IS A UNDERSTANDABLE!!!…….GEEEEESH
Frank
November 17th, 2010
11:46 pm
Another thing for the Obama haters, he did not make this problem, the Republicans did, he has tried to turn things around and has been disrespected in public when your good buddy Republicans have shown and told the world how they want4ed him to fail. If all was so great under Bush,m you must -have been given a share of the loot.
John
November 17th, 2010
11:51 pm
Ric: By not having a SSN, not paying taxes, local, state, federal, by collecting govt. funds i.e. welfare, food stamps, wic, ss, attending public schools free of charge, etc. people are breaking the law. Theft by taking. Stealing. i don’t know any plainer English. Its breaking the law. As this continues unpunished, more will do it. Eventually more people will be pulling cookies out of the jar, than are putting in. Are you getting any of this. This is common sense. I’m not making it up. Its simple math and common sense. People entering this country and society illegally is but the first on a long list of laws being broken and problems being created by these criminals.
John
November 17th, 2010
11:55 pm
I knew there was someone left with faith in Obama. Frank, your approval rating is 0. You and your posts are a joke just like your CIC.
Frank
November 17th, 2010
11:58 pm
To John, if you were smart enough, you would understand, just what I am saying. I made that clear in what `I wrote above. The days that your fathers enjoyed died with the civil rights movement, you and your children had better get used to the day when you cannot take advantage of those who today have no voice as the -blacks did after slavery and through Jim Crow. Maybe you should move to Mexico because the rest of the world will recognize you as soon as you open your mouth, if you went someplace such as Europe, even England.
eatmotacos
November 17th, 2010
11:58 pm
Frank, Goldman Sachs hasn’t missed a beat under Obama. You may need a refresher course in politics – its a lot like professional wrastlin.
TjAtl
November 18th, 2010
12:09 am
What you people don’t understand is that it takes damn near a GENERATION to be approved for legal immigration into the US from Mexico. Seriously. Due to our current immigration quotas, a poor person with no work visa granted for specific skills not filled by citizens would wait nearly 20 years to be *possibly* granted legal entrance. You all act like it’s as easy as filling out the paperwork and going through the “process”, and these people just flaunted it.
This is why Bush proposed the guest worker visa program — there are needs in our economy that these workers fill. Give them a way to get here LEGALLY to work, and have them pay taxes. Then you can lay out a possible path for citizenship for those workers (certain amount of time here, maybe military service, no criminal record, etc.)
Immigration laws and quotas as we know them in this country really didn’t begin to kick in until the 1920s. Before that (and even for some time afterward), pretty much anyone who managed to get here got to stay. How many of YOUR ancestors does that cover?
ReaderAndWriter
November 18th, 2010
12:19 am
Just to set the record straight, desptite what most Georgians, at least those who have been commenting on this topic, believe, we cannot legally pass a law to deny K-12 education to any child who lives within the borders of our state. We are prohibited by Supremem Court (federal) case law (Castañeda v. Pickard and Lau v. Nichols), which has the same effect as that of federal statutes, and the Equal Access clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Consitution from denying such a child admission to a K-12 school. In point of fact, we are barred even from asking the child and his or her parent/guardian for proof of legal immigration status. Do you understand what I am saying: school personnel cannot legally ask for any documentation or even ask if the family is in the country legally. It would be illegal to do so. That is why our schools no longer ask for or collect Social Security numbers; it would be an indication of immigration status or not (aside from the fact that our Social Security numbers are never allowed to be used for identification purposes, by federal law!)
I once had to write an explantion of this very issue for our newly-elected governor in another setting several years ago. Don’t even think about trying to legislate any child living in Georgia out of a K-12 education. I and, I supect, any number of others.
Frank
November 18th, 2010
12:19 am
I just love it. I realize that the people in this country who need the most help, do the least to help themselves. The rich know this and keep the populace divided. I was educated when I came into the military and became better educated through the military and I thank God everyday for allowing me to served and survive Vietnam when we were loosing over 3000 men a month. I hate all those who have never fought anybody but talk the loudest. There is a big world out there but each day it gets smaller. Hate is not acceptable when you are hating because of the skin.We need to take a good look at ourselves. Things could be worse, politics are what they are, lives are more important.
Olympics
November 18th, 2010
1:13 am
The whole thing about immigration has to do with unemployment and the 9/11. Also you have put one and one together. We have the latest technology in the world. Do you think illegals are making sophisticated holes at the border? Immigration Officials are been paid by coyotes to let them in to the country.
Andrew
November 18th, 2010
1:42 am
They already banned illegals from the Hope Scholarship and they are not eligible for the resident rate. They have to ironically pay the ‘non-resident rate’. Why should anyone care if they are illegal and paying the full price of admission. It is the k-12 illegal students we should toss out. They are crowding the schools, do not speak English all on my tax dollars.
The Centrist
November 18th, 2010
1:46 am
Hey John 11:38pm: NEWS FLASH. Aug 22, 2010 … Early Thursday, less than two weeks before the president’s Aug. 31 deadline for ending American combat operations in Iraq, the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division crossed the border from Iraq into Kuwait. With the departure of this last combat brigade, the U.S. military presence in Iraq is now down to 50,000 troops, fewer than at any time since the 2003 invasion. John. Don’t let facts get in the way of a neo-con truthism.
The Centrist
November 18th, 2010
2:04 am
Back to undocumented children. Has anyone considered that HOPE Scholarships are actually funded the Lottery not taxpayers?
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
November 18th, 2010
2:10 am
Good to see among Georgia’s supporters of the 9/11-committing, draft-dodging closet-queen, George W. Bush a few actual Baptists and Freemasons who recognize illegal immigration for that which its papist promoters intend: an organized invasion for conquest. Doubters and fence-straddlers who would otherwise be patriots need merely reference Rome’s marching orders, the “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry,” outlining in Spanish and English the means by which the RCC is effecting the usurpation of Our Constitution and People through the promotion of illegal immigration…tax-free.
Shannon
November 18th, 2010
5:27 am
How illegal immigration is like prostitution:
It’s best treated by cutting demand, not cutting supply.
Your outrage is misplaced. Instead of the illegal immigrants, you should be fiercely angry with any citizen or business that chooses to employ them. *They* should be the targets of wrath and legislation.
If you arrest the prostitute, more prostitutes will spring up.
If you arrest the johns, the demand for prostitutes dries out: voila, no more prostitutes.
If you arrest the illegals, more illegals will spring up.
If you arrest the people who employ them, then they will have no reason to come here: voila, no more illegals.
phil
November 18th, 2010
6:32 am
I think Dan is referring to illegal companies such as drug cartels that will not move here.
Straight Talk
November 18th, 2010
7:22 am
It’s all George Bush’s fault. Just ask Cynthia Tucker. LOL
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
November 18th, 2010
7:33 am
Just as much “straight talk” as the Hanoi Hilton’s “Songbird” who threw away five jets, blew up the Forrestal, betrayed his faithful wife, married into the Mob, and gave us racist, Inbred whitetrash Palin fronting for Rome and Rockefeller.
It's About Time
November 18th, 2010
7:33 am
It’s About Time that someone started doing something to prohibit the free education of illegals. As it is a REAL American cannot got to college if they have a criminal background. So …. why is someone here illegally allowed to go? THEY HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. And to the little idiot just convicted of driving without a license in Cobb County. GO HOME….. to MEXICO …… You have been given a FREE High School diploma. You would be considered highly educated in MEXICO. Also. “OUR” immigration laws are not broken. Since you are here illegally … “OUR” LAWS DO NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO CLAIM THEM. Maybe you with your free education should go back to Mexico and change Mexico’s Immigration Laws ……
AMERICAN POLITICIANS …. You need to start enforcing ALL of “OUR” Immigration Laws … Send the bums back to where they come from and then let then appeal their deportation ….
George P. Burdell
November 18th, 2010
7:54 am
Is this issue truly a problem worth spending much or any time on? I mean, really, where does it stack up with education, water, and transportation? How much more economic activity will this issue generate?
JONE
November 18th, 2010
8:00 am
I”M A Democrat has spoken a true statement. If your here legal you have a right to attend schools to get a higher education. those who seek to get around the system for schools and jobs and health care need to be sent packing. If and when this state and the USA gets it right we will become a better place to live. Those that think its ok to let the illegals stay need to go get a brain scan because something not functioning correctly.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
November 18th, 2010
8:03 am
I knew “George P. Burdell” was a joke at Tech, did know “he” is also RC.
Willis
November 18th, 2010
8:10 am
The WAY to go Rep. Rice. Keep them uneducated – that way, you’ll always have cheap labor to cut your grass.
Buzz G
November 18th, 2010
8:17 am
Now what we need is a ban on hiring illegal aliens.
Keith Helms
November 18th, 2010
8:19 am
I can’t believe there are this many traitors posting on here. If you support the presence of illegal invaders in this country you also support the presence of the North Korean army. There is no difference. You need to go to their native home with them since your allegiance is NOT to the USA. Don’t rant about me questioning your allegiance, you did it yourself.
beep beep
November 18th, 2010
8:32 am
Wow Frank. Let’s talk about slow, backward and cannot fit in. Slow (uneducated) is having too many misspellings or punctuations to count. You talk of several languages, yet you have not mastered your own. Backward is still pushing stories about the old days when you were a slave during the Civil War. That’s how your message reads. Also, maybe that is also why you can’t fit in. You mention hate a lot! Your posts ooze hate. You are correct that Georgia is not the only player in the game. There is a reason there has been a mass migration to the SOUTH for many years and it’s not just for the weather. Feel free to take up residence in another state or country where you can be accepted for the person you think you are. Countries like Cuba, North Korea, Brazil, China and Iran all come to mind. I am sure these are the super powers where you dream of living. If you have been so many places, then you would have to have been blind to not see countries that still are LEGALLY divided by race, religion and wealth. You may not like all that is here, but try being yourself in any Country.
jose
November 18th, 2010
8:45 am
what,we should do is get all old,really ,really old senator,congres,legislator out the power,whit all the obsolate ideas
phil
November 18th, 2010
8:49 am
Commode Scents 752 is weird.
jose
November 18th, 2010
8:50 am
rob,you have to be ,a wt,iam 100% s,you family is not from this hole we call usa
Jimmy D
November 18th, 2010
8:57 am
Everyone has a right to there opinion, and beliefs. But it is amazing how we are suppose to be the great nation, and a Christian nation, except when you are considered to be below me. Yeah illejal is illegal, and the law is the law. So when the next time any of you break the law, regardless of what the law is, turn yourself in or stop a cop to write you a ticket.
daniel
November 18th, 2010
9:10 am
Dan,
Surely you are joking with your comment!
Ric
November 18th, 2010
9:28 am
John at 11:51 pm:
That may be a legitimate argument if it were true, but it’s not.
Undocumented immigrants are paying taxes and are not receiving most forms of public benefits and services.
Each year, undocumented workers pay $6-7 billion a year in Social Security taxes they’ll never be able to draw and $1.2-2.2 billion in Medicaid taxes they’ll never be able to draw. In fact, the earnings suspense file at the Social Security Administration is being bolstered by hundreds of billions of dollars contributed by undocumented immigrants, and those reserves are growing by about $51 billion each year.
On the federal and state levels, undocumented immigrants are generally net contributors to government (the costs add up on the local level, though). The average immigrant, regardless of legal status, pays about $80,000 more in taxes than he or she receives in public benefits and services over a lifespan.
As I’ve already mentioned, most of the states with the highest undocumented populations have found that their undocumented immigrants provide net fiscal gains to their state budgets, even when accounting for the costs of educating their native-born children. Texas found that undocumented immigrants pay $424.7 million/year more in taxes than they receive in benefits and services. Similar studies have been done in Arizona, New Mexico, Illinois, Nevada, and North Carolina.
All undocumented immigrants are banned from using any welfare or public assistance programs. In fact, since 1996, even most legal immigrants have been severely restricted from using public assistance. The only exceptions are emergency medical care and public k-12 education.
Are there cases of welfare fraud among undocumented immigrants? Sure. But studies have consistently found that welfare fraud among undocumented immigrants is at considerably lower rates than welfare fraud among the native-born. As the undocumented population in the United States doubled, we saw federal welfare caseloads decrease more than 30%, and state caseloads declined about 60% in the states with high concentrations of undocumented immigrants. When undocumented immigrants do use the emergency medical services for which they are eligible, they use less than one-half the dollar amount in medical services that the native-born do. Immigrants tend to use medical services far less frequently than the native-born. Communities with high undocumented populations also typically have lower rates of ER usage.
John, using your logic that people who consume more in government than they contribute are criminals, we should arrest and deport 67% of American citizens and keep most of the immigrants. Thank you for supporting the pro-immigrant movement, John!
Danzy
November 18th, 2010
9:28 am
1980-2010 = 30 years
Republican Presidency: 1980-1988- Reagan,1988-1992- Bush Sr. (12 years)
Democratic Presidency: 1992-2000- Clinton (8 years)
Republican Presidency: 2000-2008- Bush (8 years)
Democratic Presidency: 2008- present: Obama (2 years)
If you look at it, the Republicans have controlled the White House for 20 out of the past 30 years. Why are the Republicans so hard pressed to make illegal immigration a huge priority now? It has been an issue for more than 30 years, and they had 20 years to do something about it, but did not. Its funny how these GOP politicians want to blame the liberals and Obama for everything, when in fact they were in charge for the majority of the last 30 years… Don’t blame the current administration for the illegal immigration problem, when all of the former presidencies had a chance to do something but did not.
Where were these anti immigrant groups and the tea party people when Reagan and Bush(es) were president, and did nothing to stop illegal immigration??
Blah blah blah
November 18th, 2010
9:57 am
I am a teacher here in Georgia. I honestly believe if we weren’t spending so much money to educate the illegal kids in the k-12 with programs such as ESOL, ELL, etc. (on top of spending the money to actually educate them) our school systems would have a lot more money. The burden of these kids probably led to my pay cuts, furloughs, etc…Also, think about how the money being spent to educate the illegals is taking away from children who are citizens or here as legal immirgrants. The money spent per student has drastically declined over the years. We would also probably have a much smaller student-teacher ratio in our classes if some of these kids weren’t here. These kids are also the sub-group that keeps schools like mine from making AYP – I realize these are children and they didn’t make the choice to come here BUT if we didn’t allow them in our schools the parents probably would be less detered from bringing them here.
Blah blah blah
November 18th, 2010
9:59 am
I meant to say more detered not less detered….
Normal
November 18th, 2010
10:02 am
The College big wigs don’t care who applies as long as they pays their money…ain’t that the Republican way?
Normal
November 18th, 2010
10:04 am
If the kids were born here, they are NOT illegal
minustoplus
November 18th, 2010
10:06 am
Can someone explain to me how in the first place can an illegal enter school without a social security number? And then explain to me, once they have entered school, who’s social security number are they using if they are here illegally? So if you stop them on the front end, no need to worry about the back end. Again, if I am caught breaking the rules, why cry about the punishment?
Just a thought.