Senate GOP to require pledge of allegiance to state flag
In an apparent nod to state sovereignty, Senate Republicans will require members of their chamber to recite the pledge of allegiance to the state flag of Georgia every morning they gather – after a daily devotional and a pledge to the U.S. flag.
The addition to the chambers’ rituals was adopted Friday at a caucus meeting in Macon, as part of a wholesale change in state rules that included the stripping of Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle of most of his powers.
Both the House and Senate now include a daily sermon and a pledge to the U.S. flag as part of the beginning of each day’s business.
Afterwards, in the House, state Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-Cobb County) has led a small group of GOP lawmakers in a wildcat recitation of the Georgia pledge:
“I pledge allegiance to the Georgia flag and to the principles for which it stands: Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation.”
This afternoon, Franklin said the Senate was highly appropriate, “given the usurpations of Washington.”
“It’s time for the House Leadership to join the Senate and add the Pledge of Allegiance to the Georgia Flag to the House’s morning order of business,” Franklin said.
We’ve obtained copy of a draft of the rule changes, which you can see here.
(The draft does not include a notation of a daily pledge to the state flag. Neither does the draft include Cagle’s two appointments to the Committee on Assignments. Also, simply cross out Section 12.)
From the draft and other sources, we can say the following about the new eight-person Committee on Assignments, the new governing unit of the Senate:
– The Committee on Assignments will name the chairmen of all committees, and will determine the number and identity of all senators who sit on committees;
– Cagle will have two appointments to that committee. Other members will be – as stated before – the President pro tem, the majority leader, the chairman of the majority caucus, the majority caucus vice chairm, and the majority caucus secretary;
– The “hawk” provision that gave the lieutenant governor the power to pack committees with ex officio members – in order to move favored legislation — now shifts to the Committee on Assignments;
– Gubernatorial appointments that require Senate approval will be handled by the Committee on Assignments. You’ll recall that last year, Cagle was blamed for sabotaging Sonny Perdue’s appointment of longtime GOP activist Fred Cooper to a seat on the Board of Regents.
– Cagle will retain the right, as president of the Senate, to preside over the chamber. But should two or more senators rise to speak at the same time, he “shall recognize the President Pro Tempore (Tommie Williams of Lyons), the Majority Leader (Chip Rogers of Woodstock) and the Minority Leader (Robert Brown of Macon), in that order of precedence, should any of them rise to speak, prior to recognizing any other Senator.”
That’s a rule that had been in place during the GOP icing of Lt. Gov. Mark Taylor, a Demcrat.
– Points of personal privilege – opportunities for senators to speak on any topic they want – will be moved to the bottom of the days business. Which could make a long day for 4H groups in the galleries, waiting for a shout-out from their senator.
– In addition to maintaining the limited power to direct legislation to individual committees, Cagle apparently retains the power to name the conference committee members who will negotiate with their House counterpoints over specific pieces of legislation. That’s not a small thing.
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201 comments Add your comment
Ric
November 9th, 2010
3:27 pm
Nice sentiment, but at the end of the day it’s just more political grandstanding.
Texas Pete
November 9th, 2010
3:28 pm
First? seriously?
Irony
November 9th, 2010
3:30 pm
Nothing says moderation like a forced pledge every morning.
Drew
November 9th, 2010
3:33 pm
Cagle did this to himself…..No pity here
mike 'hussein' smith
November 9th, 2010
3:33 pm
A daily sermon? What’s next, goose-stepping?
Darin
November 9th, 2010
3:37 pm
I’m on board for pledging allegiance to wisdom, justice and moderation. Not that the Georgia GOP has any of these three attributes in mind, but…
The General
November 9th, 2010
3:38 pm
Wonder how many times they’ll pray to Allah, or Zeus, or Poseidon? What a bunch of putz’s…
you_r_kidding_me
November 9th, 2010
3:39 pm
This crappy state never fails to amaze. First we elect a common criminal, a con man for pete’s sake as governor, and now this blathering ballyhoo. It’s official, the state government of Georgia has officially gone straight to hell. Oh well at least one ray of hope. I’m quite sure that at some time during his term our new governor (along with his little a$$ kissing, crooked chief of staff will both be placed under indictment once the full scale of their past and future crimes are made public. Trust me, come January the governor’s office will be available to the highest bidder. There will be no telling what these fools will get up to. I hope the democrats have started looking around for some good watchdogs because they’re going to have their hands full.
Bubba
November 9th, 2010
3:48 pm
A pledge to wisdom, justice and moderation? I hope they mean it!
BlahBlahBlah
November 9th, 2010
3:50 pm
Pure foolishness. Welcome to Georgia, where words speak louder than actions!
gerald foskey
November 9th, 2010
3:51 pm
I understand that Nathan and his chief of staff have formed their new business venture: Deal/Riley Gold Dome Ventures, LLC.
Question Man
November 9th, 2010
3:53 pm
Are you serious with this post? Is it April 1 already? Are we in trouble, or what?
A politically freighted pledge of allegiance | Jay Bookman
November 9th, 2010
3:56 pm
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Observer1
November 9th, 2010
3:56 pm
Wow unbelivable! Now I see why we threw this jerks out in 2008. And here we go again. Now they dont even respect the US flag. Are we in Nazi Germany now. Only in Georgia would the a body of Government refuse to recite the REAL Pledge of Allegiance, just because they dont like who lives in the White House. I cant recall not one time when the GOP, Bush and Cheney were running the country in the ground and stealing every dime did s Democrat say we no longer respect the US Pledge of Allegiance.
Just incomprehensible that such a rule was even suggested by these idiots, but what do you expect from a bunch of misfits who call themeselves respresentatives of the people. To stripped the LT. Gov of his ceremonial power because you dont like him is just petrid to me. They dont even like repubs who dont think according to thier way. Georgia, YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR>>>> WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS IN THIS STATE. But hey this stat is full of backwards, dumb, redneck who still think its 1877.
three jack
November 9th, 2010
3:57 pm
update to gerald foskey post: Deal/Riley just secured a $2M non-collateralized loan from {fill in the blank} Community Bank and on their first day of operation were awarded a multi-million dollar no bid state contract.
three jack
November 9th, 2010
4:00 pm
if these sanctimonious gop ‘leaders’ were so disappointed in cagle, why didn’t they either step up to run against him or at the very least, throw their support behind carol porter?
how about they do something real and eliminate the lt. governor’s position saving millions in wasted expenses.
GaBlue
November 9th, 2010
4:04 pm
They’ll pledge allegiance, to the Plutocracy, of the Corporate States of America. And to the megaconglomerates, to which it was sold, one party, in charge of the state, with prisons, and Talibaptist rules for all. Amen.
L.
November 9th, 2010
4:10 pm
Next thing you will know, African-American will be called Negroes once again, and the Confederate Flag will rise at the Capitol grounds.
Jane
November 9th, 2010
4:10 pm
Moderation, heck no, sounds like a RINO talking
dawg
November 9th, 2010
4:18 pm
The pledge and a sermon. How freaking silly and a what waste of taxpayer money. The Senate and House need to focus on these big problems – high unemployment in GA, traffic congestion, low test scores and APS cheating, GA’s water problem, and the State’s broken promise to tax payers to end the GA 400 toll in 2011.
Rich
November 9th, 2010
4:25 pm
You people voted them in. The GOP is a huge joke. As long as they push baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet, the no brain cousin humpers here in GA will vote for them. Oh and let’s not forget to do everything we can to make sure the Gay folks move back to San Francisco. Maybe that witch from Delaware will come down and make all the masturbater’s go away. Yee haw!!!
GaBlue
November 9th, 2010
4:27 pm
dawg,
Relax!! They will address NONE of those issues, continuing the tradition of 8 solid years of Republican “leadership” of this state. They will do absolutely nothing of any useful value to anyone other than themselves and their own financial advancements, and they will continue to blame Democrats and poor people for these problems. Furthermore, there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it. Zip, zilch, nodda. The only chance Georgia had died last Tuesday, when we could have voted a little “free market competition” into the government, so they’d be forced to try to out-solve each other once in awhile to compete for little gold stars. With one-party rule and zero checks or balances, the government monopoly rolls over on us, sucks our money from our pockets, and gives us absolutely nothing in return. Congrats y’all! This is your state.
lifecrystalkid
November 9th, 2010
4:38 pm
I still can’t believe Deal was voted into office… it’s like a nightmare… come true? *smh*
Maybe I should seriously consider moving out of the state…
Bob
November 9th, 2010
4:39 pm
What a great idea! I am glad there are some people with some sense in state government like Mr. Franklin et al.
If you have a problem with swearing allegiance to Georgia, why don’t you get the hell out? Thank you.
Darwin
November 9th, 2010
4:39 pm
What’s the difference in one party rule if the votes want it that way?
humble pie
November 9th, 2010
4:39 pm
Where on earth are the tea partiers defending these clowns. They are surprisingly absent in their posts. They were talking plenty of bs before the midterms. Have not heard a peep from them since…. What’s up wit dat?
police911
November 9th, 2010
4:42 pm
The “South” GA Will fall again! Even lower than a dime’s wedge…
Douglas
November 9th, 2010
4:49 pm
“Observer” read the text! They will say the state pledge AFTER the pledge to the stars and stripes, for God’s sake!
Douglas
November 9th, 2010
4:52 pm
What is REALLY going to be fun is, should Mr. Deal get indicted and have to step down, guess who gets to be Governor? The Senate leadership might just reap a righteous whirlwind from a Gov. CAGLE. That will be some show. Bring popcorn!
Douglas
November 9th, 2010
4:53 pm
And perhaps if they recite the pledge often enough, they might think to actually practice moderation, show wisdom, and work for justice. I ain’t holdin’ my breath on that one, though!
Trey
November 9th, 2010
4:58 pm
Well, at least the Dems aren’t in office! I wish the Libertarians were in power, but at least it’s not the Democrats.
GaBlue
November 9th, 2010
4:59 pm
To all the “you can just leave” people: Unlike my rich yankee Congressman, I am actually FROM here. My family and my roots are here. I’m not leaving, and I’m not turning “red” just to fit in with YOUR idea of what Georgia is “supposed” to be. Newsflash: The soldiers burned this state down, but they didn’t run us out. Now the Neo-Confederates wants to run the actual thinking people out of here? Good luck, azzholes. If we burn the state down again, will YOU leave? I’m not leaving, and I’m not giving in to the Retardo epidemic that threatens us all. Suck your Pekoe leaves, numbnuts. With your arrogance and stupidity, you’ll dig your own graves like you did 150 years ago. I can wait.
Eric
November 9th, 2010
5:00 pm
Would be nice if business would allow its employees a few minutes each day to pray and recite to the flag(s). But, no, that would be considered “unproductive” time, inappropriate to the work place when we’re supposed to be serving customers and making profits for the boss. I have to work weekends too, so where is time/place for civic pride?
eli
November 9th, 2010
5:08 pm
Does this strike anybody as inherently undemocratic? Everyone has the right, as a citizen, to not recite the pledge. Requiring it seems…un-American.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
5:13 pm
eli, we are not a Democracy but a Republic.
Peachtree Pete
November 9th, 2010
5:22 pm
That’s some really important stuff there, man, whoop-ti-do. Remind me again why we have a state legislature?
Lum
November 9th, 2010
5:22 pm
Hey Trey? You’re a poseur.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
5:25 pm
Lum, having to resort to insults? How am I a “poseur”? Don’t talk crap junk if you can’t back it up. Lum? What kind of name is that?
Trey
November 9th, 2010
5:27 pm
Lum, what do you do for a living anyway? My bet is probably nothing as you just start trying to insult me out of no where. You are probably a welfare sucker who leaches off of society.
Travis McGee
November 9th, 2010
5:27 pm
When will they pass out the brown shirts?
Art Vandelay
November 9th, 2010
5:27 pm
So, what are these backwoods knuckle-draggers going to do when someone refuses to recite their pledge and sit through a sermon?
Trey
November 9th, 2010
5:29 pm
GaBlue, I don’t think many people want to try and run you out, as you have as much right to be here as anyone else who comes here legally.
Red
November 9th, 2010
5:29 pm
Which state of Georgia are we referring to? Businesses and special interests or the actual people who elect these bozos? “Require”? What are the consequences if one says no? No stripclub passes? No bills passed to benefit their business or land holdings? Country club membership revocation? An “ignore” from the lobbyists with the perks and handouts?
GaBlue
November 9th, 2010
5:31 pm
Trey, we WERE a Republic. Now we’re a defacto Plutocracy disguised as a non-democratic republic. The day the Supremes said that foreign conglomerates can buy as much of our government as they want, the voices of the people were rendered moot. If you don’t shovel million$ at the leaders who set the agendas our so-called representatives follow, you’re not actually represented. Only if you already agree with their actions is the illusion temporarily possible.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
5:32 pm
Art, name calling is not right. Haha, but in all seriousness, I don’t know what will happen. I personally don’t believe forcing regular citizens to recite the pledge is good. I do think that the people who work in a government institution should be required, judge, mayors and etc. I do think the regular citizens should at least stand up out of respect.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
5:33 pm
GaBlue, yeah, you are right. The government, left or right are both just in it for the money and don’t represent what our country was initially supposed to be, as a Republic.
Last Man Standing
November 9th, 2010
5:36 pm
Let’s see . . . .
Not much new here . . . .
Same liberals venting (lamenting) the great loss, taking shots at conservatives and resolving nothing but their frustrations.
Tune in tomorrow, same time, same station, for the same stuff . . .
Rich
November 9th, 2010
5:39 pm
Southerners are dumb.
GaBlue
November 9th, 2010
5:46 pm
Trey, yes, both parties are bought and paid for. They just sell different illusions to the voters. They throw wedge issues at us to divide us over things that are insignificant in the big picture. From the looks of things, this tactic is quite successful.
Kevin
November 9th, 2010
5:50 pm
A daily sermon? WTF? Did they not read the Constitution? The first Amendment is about keeping religion out of Government. Starting your daily Government work with a sermon is not what our founding fathers had in mind!
DannyX
November 9th, 2010
5:51 pm
Georgia Republican Pledge:
“I pledge allegiance to the Almighty Dollar and to the principles for which it stands: Greed, Power, and Domination.”
techengineer
November 9th, 2010
5:55 pm
Secession is the only hope! But I’ll take a little more State sovereignty in the meantime.. Thank you Senate leaders.
Who Me
November 9th, 2010
5:56 pm
Georgia and the southeast will always rank at the bottom of educational standings because Republicans dont believe in education of the masses! They learned early mention God, the Bible, and hate in a speech and all the ignorant masses will follow! Sheep keep following the shepherd and you will be sheared for your coat regularly to keep him warm and slaughtered for your meat so he wont starve and you will always follow without question! Because you are dumb!
Georgia Pledge???
November 9th, 2010
5:58 pm
How many of you even knew that there was a Pledge of Allegiance to the Georgia Flag? I sure didn’t, and I doubt that Nathan Deal did either.
ATL
November 9th, 2010
6:00 pm
Dumb and Dumber come to mind– Just when you think GA’s guvment can get no dumber…
The golden age of sleaze is about to begin– and the only folks to win will be be the fat cats who supported Mr. Deal and the rest of the ‘publicans…
you_r_kidding_me
November 9th, 2010
6:02 pm
Now we can tell everyone our governor is Nathan “Let’s Make A” Deal. Come January the confidence men, shysters, and thick fingered vulgarians will be knocking down the doors at the Capitol for their piece of the pie. And just you watch, Deal will have his family members all on the state payroll post haste along with the family members of that little lap dog chief of staff/enforcer/gopher creature.
lou
November 9th, 2010
6:07 pm
What’s next? Singing Dixie and pledging the Confederate flag? Who Me, sadly you are correct.
God help us.
ATL
November 9th, 2010
6:09 pm
One more thing– secession– yeah– I’m all for it– Atlanta should secede from GA and join the the US… and let the rest of the state devolve into the neo-confederate Mississippi of the mind that it so desperately desires to be…
BehindEnemyLines
November 9th, 2010
6:14 pm
As meaningless gestures that apparently annoy our worthless liberal wastes of oxygen go, I approve of this action.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
6:18 pm
GaBlue, that is very true. I am a third party supporter, since they haven’t proven to be disgraceful like the other two parties. However, they will probably be not much better if they ever take power.
mark
November 9th, 2010
6:19 pm
I will sleep better tonight.
Georgia Pledge???
November 9th, 2010
6:20 pm
I decided to look up when the Georgia Pledge originated and found that it was adopted by a Joint Resolution of the Georgia General Assembly on March 28, 1935, and was later codified in O.C.G.A. Section 50-3-2.
In finding the above I came across another Georgia Code section that it sounds like some of you may be interested in:
Section 50-3-5 Preservation of Confederate flags—– The flags of the Georgia troops who served in the army of the Confederate States, and which have been returned to the state by the United States government, shall be preserved for all time in the capitol as priceless mementos of the cause they represented and of the heroism and patriotism of the men who bore them.
EagleNationRising
November 9th, 2010
6:21 pm
These guys are pathetic! I am far from impressed. Unfortunately, we don’t have any other options. The Georgia Democrats are clueless. Meanwhile, we have the Georgia GOP that is led by guys with guns in their mouths and the sham better known as Casey Cagle. UNREAL! The silent majority desperately needs a third party that governs in the middle.
EagleNationRising
November 9th, 2010
6:24 pm
FYI Georgia Pledge?: The Georgia state flag is the Confederate flag. I hate to be the person to inform you. Why not pledge to the preservation of the Confederate flags? The state flag is the Confederate flag. To imagine that we live in the 9th largest state in the United States, which is large enough to be a nation, are led by these “showmen” that have displayed over the past eight years that they are completely incapable of governing our state in an effective manner…just like the useless Georgia Democrats.
Last Man Standing
November 9th, 2010
6:27 pm
If you are from Georgia, have roots here but just can’t stand the political landscape, maybe you should consider relocating to another state whose politics are more closely aligned with yours? If you are not from Georgia and dislike the political picture, you are free to return to whatever state you resided in before arriving here. This is the only logical solution to your unhappiness because Georgia is a conservative state and will, in all probability, become even more conservative with the passage of time. All of your collective bellyaching isn’t going to change that fact and it will only become more and more upsetting to you. If at all possible, do yourself (and us) a favor and just move on . . .
Trey
November 9th, 2010
6:28 pm
EagleNation, what are you talking about the Confederate flag has not been the GA flag since Roy Barnes was governor.
catlady
November 9th, 2010
6:36 pm
Won’t it be funny when Roy Barnes makes a few more millions suing the Legislature or the individual representatives because they are promoting religion!! I will LOL, even though it means we will be paying for it. However, since we did not elect these fools to pull (stuff) like this, I would guess they will be individually liable for their folly. Think again, brainless bubbas!
John
November 9th, 2010
6:38 pm
What a great way to waste their time!
Hector
November 9th, 2010
6:38 pm
EagleNation, will you help us bring back the Confederate Flag?
Alabama Communist
November 9th, 2010
6:49 pm
The Furher Ghost will be well please with this honor toward a greater Georgia and the Darth Vader Republican Empire………What’s next? Pink Tea Party Brownshirts giving the high five Hilter salute?
Who says the Republican party isn’t run by a ton of psycho paths
wbj
November 9th, 2010
6:51 pm
GaBlue: The individuals that you say will be digging their own graves just like they did 150 years ago…..to whom were you referring? It’s my understanding that people dug their own graves just before they were to be killed. Are you hoping for a return to the “good old days”?
GaBlue
November 9th, 2010
6:59 pm
Last Man Standing,
Nope. I’m not leaving. I stand proudly in the minority: progressive-minded white folk who eat collard greens, support civil rights for everybody (everybody! y’all hear me?), believe science should be taught in schools and preachin should NOT. We think it’s better to invest in education than prisons, wish our factories had had a little more regulatory interaction so they wouldn’t kill people from salmonella (how’s that free market working for the dead folks and unemployed peanut butter makers) or exploding sugar dust, think we should legalize and grow hemp for it’s million and one industrial uses, let the potheads out of jail so there’s more room for meth heads, and let any two adults who want to torment themselves via marriage have the darn license already. Let’s invest in transportation and renewable energy, attract new industries with our quality of schools and infrastructure instead of corporate welfare that does NOT actually create jobs, and find new ways to utilize our waste products, including the melted, waxy, garbled mess that is the minds of our many Republicans who vote for corruption over substance year after year. NOT. LEAVING.
pn
November 9th, 2010
7:00 pm
The GA unemployment rate is still 10%
And counting.
Get to work nitwits or you will be toast in the next election.
pn
November 9th, 2010
7:03 pm
Go GaBlue. The sweet voice of reason!
WOW
November 9th, 2010
7:22 pm
MAY I REPEAT(HOW CAN WE BRING JOBS TO GA.WHEN EVERYONE IS LAUGHING AT US)
Steve
November 9th, 2010
7:33 pm
Trey at 6:28. Look up Stars and Bars flag, It was the Confederate flag until 1863. It might look familiar to you.
stands for decibels
November 9th, 2010
7:40 pm
Nothing says moderation like a forced pledge every morning.
And Liberty! and Freedom!
Jim
November 9th, 2010
7:55 pm
And the purpose of the pledge to the state flag would be???? Me thinks they will eventually want to meet to secede again – I think it is still spelled PUTZ. I can see it now – the state repubs leading the charge to take over Ft. Benning and/or Ft. Stewart. Yahoo – oh wait, yahoo is not a yell – it is the singular of the republican party in ga.
Crazy people on here
November 9th, 2010
8:23 pm
You people are the real nuts! Don’t any of you READ? They already say the Pledge to the American Flag in the Senate, and they already have a sermon every day! This is in addition to that, not instead of! You want to know where the dumbsh!t$ are, look in the mirror!
td
November 9th, 2010
8:24 pm
I thought this blog was fun before the election. It is just plain funny now listening to all these uneducated libs on here that do not even know what the legislature has done for many years. The state House and Senate, the US House and Senate and even the Supreme court has opened their sessions in prayer and the pledge for as long and they have existed. Did you know there is a house Chaplin in the US House and Senate? You libs talk about the education level in the state over and over again. I would really like the DOE to roll out SAT scores compared by parents party affiliation. I would be willing to bet that the Republicans are higher and this blog definitely proves that you libs do not know history very well.
@GABLUE: You really need to stay around because we conservatives need you to keep spouting off that liberal dribble so that we can remember why we are conservatives.
For the rest of you that are so unhappy with the conservative nature of this state then we are not holding forcefully holding you here. You are more than welcome to go to some place that you will be happy because I sure do not want to be blamed in the future when you claim mentally impaired due to the conditions you had to live with.
Blago
November 9th, 2010
8:25 pm
One party rule in the state capitol = recipe for disaster. There are no checks and balances.
GA future
November 9th, 2010
8:28 pm
Can you please post some information about the GA GOP’s plans for improving education and rebuilding the economy?
George Carlin disciple
November 9th, 2010
8:34 pm
GaBlue for Governor in 2014!
The Truth
November 9th, 2010
8:39 pm
You have run this state for a good while now but have literally done nothing. You have a recent overwhelming mandate from the public to see what you can do in regards to the national scene. You want to take a step forward and show your leadership….you call a caucus in Macon and you…..do….are you kidding me??? Is this for real??? Are you kidding me???
All that is left is to see how Wooten will spin this one.
Robert
November 9th, 2010
8:46 pm
Hey td, speaking of education, look up the spelling of chaplain. I can’t stop laughing.
NoLogicInGovt
November 9th, 2010
8:46 pm
Hey Repub & Dem politicians – a message to you morons: SOLVE SOME DAMN PROBLEMS and quit worrying about crap no one cares about!
NB Forrest
November 9th, 2010
8:47 pm
Makes me proud to be from Georgia. Washington, DC is out of touch with Georgia. What is the federal government going to do? Invade Georgia again and install a puppet government like they did in 1865? Look at the portraits of Governors at the Capital. Georgia was occupied for several years after CSA defeat. A Yankee in blue was Governor during occupation. Way to go Bobby!
Travis McGee
November 9th, 2010
8:50 pm
The fool and his money are soon elected.
The Truth Shall Set You Free
November 9th, 2010
8:52 pm
Our history is so mottled with incompetent, crooked, perverse and corrupt governors that we’ll survive Nathan Deal and his impending bankruptcy. We’re immune to embarrassment.
steve
November 9th, 2010
8:54 pm
insanity rules the georgia government ..this pledge is more not less government and government telling you what to do. . Very nationalistic like Nazi nationalistic …These assinine “rituals” are a waste of time , they should be working instead wasting time and money with these shenannigans.. I guess the power that have controlled Georgia since before the Civil War still rule . Look at the statues on the capitol grounds , all but Jimmy Carter were clans men or just rabid segregationists …Hateful theocratic republicans are instilling a facsit dictatorship in Georgia
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
8:59 pm
To: “L.:”
“Next thing you will know, African-American will be called Negroes once again, and the Confederate Flag will rise at the Capitol grounds.”
The terms African-American and Negroes are “politically correct” terms. I don’t like politically correct terms!
I say call a spade – a spade… and all of you that don’t like that (or any other Christian principles) can get a bus ticket right on out of the Great State of Georgia! …and take Jesse Jackson with you… if you find him “up in hea!”
td
November 9th, 2010
9:07 pm
steve
November 9th, 2010
8:54 pm
insanity rules the georgia government ..this pledge is more not less government and government telling you what to do. . Very nationalistic like Nazi nationalistic …These assinine “rituals” are a waste of time , they should be working instead wasting time and money with these shenannigans.. I guess the power that have controlled Georgia since before the Civil War still rule . Look at the statues on the capitol grounds , all but Jimmy Carter were clans men or just rabid segregationists …Hateful theocratic republicans are instilling a facsit dictatorship in Georgia
Do you need some cheese with that whine? You are freaking over the top but funny as h3ll. Bless your heart and lets get together for our state holiday (confederate memorial day)? Maybe we can get this legislature to install Confederate history month for April every year?
BTW: no one is forcing you to stay in a state you hate so much. I am sure Vermont would be happy to have your progressive self up there.
OhPlease
November 9th, 2010
9:29 pm
When they say, “Git outta mah state,” they’ll just attack you even more when you actually do it. I’ve seen plenty of expatriates who left the USA for political reasons keep blogs, and who’s attacking them in the comments? The same ones who said, “Love it or leave it!” It’s a trap.
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
9:36 pm
April sounds great, td! I work for the state. When “Confederate Memorial Day” was first mentioned (in it’s conception) in our shift briefing, almost everybody laughed out loud. Out of about 30 state employees, I was the only one that didn’t think the subject was funny at all. Even a high ranking state official laughed. Of those mentioned, I was one of about five white people in briefing. Two of those were “sleeping with”… guess who. The other two were your typical, white cowards. Isn’t it strange that many think that white people were the only folks fighting for the South?
Thomas
November 9th, 2010
9:41 pm
GOP rules change…what a joke…I am laughing so hard my sides are hurting from the POTHOLES on the state highways. Ethics in State Government is now a oxymoron.
Gee
November 9th, 2010
10:01 pm
These redneck GOP xenophobes have run this state into the ground. No one with a brain wants want to move here anymore. All those college grads that used to flock to Atlanta- no more. Not just because there are no jobs- but because the politics are oppressive. Sad.
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
10:02 pm
GOP rules don’t change, Thomas.
Liberal, “I’ll do anything to get elected,” slime like King Roy and Perdue fooled unsuspecting Georgians into voting for them. In time, even those folks learned from their mistakes. This November, many Georgians learned from their mistakes! It was past time for them to wake up!
What am I talking about? King Roy (being a staunch, liberal democrat) ran on a Republican ticket to get elected, and Perdue promised us a vote on our beloved ‘56 flag to get elected.
Even though Perdue was re-elected, Georgia couldn’t afford another, more – liberal jackazz during this time frame. Even though we couldn’t afford that, I did not vote for Perdue for re-election. Lie to me once – always a lier! Yes, Perdue lied to my face in Cordele, GA!
So, as far as GOP principles are concerned… no… those don’t change. Idiots that pretend to be who they aren’t are a dine-a-dozen!
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:12 pm
Steve, I am not talking about our current flag. I am talking about the confederate flag with the crossed stripes. The one we had before Roy Barnes gave us that ugly blue flag.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:13 pm
Gee, who cares if people want to move to GA or not? It’s crowded enough.
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:16 pm
God grant me the strength to survive 4 years of Nathan Deal as Governor.
If anyone is doing any usurping, it is that crook deal sticking his paws into the taxpayers pockets to make himself a little more scratch.
td
November 9th, 2010
10:16 pm
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:13 pm
Gee, who cares if people want to move to GA or not? It’s crowded enough.
Good point. I could support no more housing starts in metro Atlanta, unless of coarse they are more conservatives.
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
10:20 pm
To Gee
I think that’s great, Gee! I was a “grad” in 1990 with a BSEE degree. My GPA was 3.0. (I received my degree after serving six years in the U.S. Army.) I sent out (at least 150) resumes to prospective employers in Atlanta, GA. Out of those 150 resumes, I had about three interviews in Atlanta.
Keep your butts out of GA, if you don’t like our politics! We’ve made Georgia what it is today, and I plan to keep it that way!
I’ve lived in other states, and I’ve lived over seas! There’s no place like Georgia!
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:21 pm
td, it’s just too crowded. The traffic is horrible, the pollution is bad and it’s becoming too crime ridden.
td
November 9th, 2010
10:22 pm
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:16 pm
God grant me the strength to survive 4 years of Nathan Deal as Governor.
It is going to be eight years not four. I hope you get some knee pads for the prayer rug.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:25 pm
JJ Harper, you can say that again. I have been outside of Georgia before and in the Navy and nothing has been as nice as GA.
td
November 9th, 2010
10:25 pm
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
10:20 pm
“I’ve lived in other states, and I’ve lived over seas! There’s no place like Georgia!”
If heaven ain’t a lot like Georgia then I don’t want to go.
LMAO@GAVoters
November 9th, 2010
10:26 pm
I REPEAT since the Repubs think we are giving them a second chance I expect 2% unemployment in Georgia and the budget balanced by January 2, 2011. Come on Repubs you CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show us why you ran those chessy campaign slogans…Lets GO
OhPlease
November 9th, 2010
10:28 pm
“I’ve lived in other states, and I’ve lived over seas! There’s no place like Georgia!”
Indeed.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:28 pm
LMAO@GAVoters, we have had Democrats in power since 2007 and now a Democrat president and I still haven’t seen the Dems do anything about unemployment.
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:30 pm
Deal is no spring chicken, he will either be in prison or decide he is too old to run for re-election.
Before moving to the south I never knew what it was like to be a minority, but well educated Christian white people down here are few and far between….sorry td but you don’t make the cut.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:30 pm
LMAO@GAVoters, also the unemployment will keep getting worse as long as jobs are going over seas. You may want to think of that next time you use 411 and you talk to Patel on the other line.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:32 pm
B. Thenet, is there really any reason for you to disrespect pretty much a whole state? If you think GA folks are so stupid why do you live there?
zoom1717
November 9th, 2010
10:36 pm
what next cow tiping!!!!!!!!!!!
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
10:39 pm
To B. Thenetz
Now that you know what it is to be you, how about moving back up north?
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:40 pm
Not disrespecting the whole state, just fools like you and td who are celebrating keeping the same people in charge in Georgia that have made this state a complete joke.
Our banks are failing week after week because of no government oversight over what the heck they are doing.
Our politicians are among the most corrupt in the country and the GOP majority still refuses to sign any meaningful lobbyist reforms….despite numerous scandals over the past couple of years.
Our teachers are being furloughed all over the state because we have no money to pay for our educational system.
Now tell me Trey, why on earth would someone like you not only continue to re-elect the party that is responsible for this….but actually celebrate it? Is that the act of a well educated person? I love Georgia, really do. Just wish the populace would remove their heads from their bottoms once in a while and understand there is more to life than one tax cut after another. If you want nice things, you have to pay for them. It is a real simple concept.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:44 pm
“Not disrespecting the whole state, just fools like you and td who are celebrating keeping the same people in charge in Georgia that have made this state a complete joke.”
What prestigious college did you attend that teaches you how to insult rather than focus on the issues? You call me a fool, yet you do not know me. How very liberal of you.
“Now tell me Trey, why on earth would someone like you not only continue to re-elect the party that is responsible for this….but actually celebrate it? Is that the act of a well educated person? I love Georgia, really do. Just wish the populace would remove their heads from their bottoms once in a while and understand there is more to life than one tax cut after another. If you want nice things, you have to pay for them. It is a real simple concept.”
Again, you resort to insults, how educated can you be? What makes you think I voted for these people who won? What makes you think I voted at all? I wanted to vote, but I left my absentee ballot back home. To assume I wanted the Republicans to win is ever so ignorant of you, as I am a third party supporter. Then again, what do I know? I am a fool to someone online, who must have gone to a really great college, as he seems to know how to insult people online rather than stick to facts.
OhPlease
November 9th, 2010
10:46 pm
I’m going to go out on a limb and propose that few here are seriously disturbed that Georgia’s two main political parties have become proxies for racial representation in state government. Race and politics have always been intertwined at some level, but when observers in 2010 can more effectively reduce the parties to the “white party” and the “black party” with a great deal of accuracy, I can’t find much to celebrate. If politics is so segregated, then it’s a toxic reflection of a segregated civic culture in all but name only. Little or no good can come of it.
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
10:47 pm
Since McDonnald Vs. Chicago, you might not even be interested in Illinois, eh…. Thenet? Try New York! You are Booomberg’s kind of people! If Booooomberg isn’t interested in you, you might could marry a queeer in Massachusetts. If all else fails, move to California! I know (for sure) that you’ll fit right in – there!
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:47 pm
OhPlease, it doesn’t really matter who wins between those two parties. They are both about greed and corruption.
BamaGurl
November 9th, 2010
10:48 pm
At the end of the day, any body can recite the Pledge of whatever. But, do you mean it. Quote me a scripture and practice it. That will impress me. All of these racist sit in church on Sunday and put their sheets on on Sunday nite. I am going to be my own senator, govenor and whatever. Those people in the Golden Dome don’t represent me. They represent the old (never left) South. All are Klu Klukers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATL Guy
November 9th, 2010
10:48 pm
They need to do the Macarena after the devotional but before the pledge to the flag. That would be awesome.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:50 pm
ATL Guy, that would be hilarious. Just think if they did the chicken dance too.
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:51 pm
Trey, you seem to spend your entire existence hurling insults on these blogs….please do not attempt to take the higher ground here.
You said yourself on this thread that you were glad the Democrats lost to the GOP, how can you possibly defend that statement based on where the state is right now. Surely Obama is not to blame for the state of affairs in this state, is he?
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:53 pm
B. Thenet, considering that I do not spend much time on these blogs, your logic is flawed. Also, I do not insult like you.
I said I am glad the Democrats lost to the GOP, but doesn’t mean I support the GOP. I just don’t like Democrats.
Ga. Peach
November 9th, 2010
10:56 pm
Man, the Dems are such poor losers!!!
staying_right_here
November 9th, 2010
10:57 pm
Why should I leave the state of my birth and where I’ve lived all my almost 60 years just because a bunch of morons are camped out in Atlanta? I ain’t never thought much of Atlanta anyway.
It’s those bozos that need to leave – I was here first and I’ll still be here when they’re rotting in a federal prison.
And Georgia voters can be so very proud of our Congressmen representing us in D.C. – like this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/republican-study-committe_n_781122.html
Trey
November 9th, 2010
10:57 pm
Ga. Peach, I don’t know about all of them, but B. Thenet obviously can’t have an intelligent debate.
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:57 pm
The last time we had one in office in GA, times were good Trey. Things have gone on a steep decline since Purdue took over, and lets be honest…we will be left with whatever Deal cannot carry out of the Governors mansion in 4 years.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
11:03 pm
B. Thenet, Roy Barnes was not that great as governor.
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
11:06 pm
Roy was not great, in fact he was the master of his own demise with the horribly bungled flag fiasco. I would still take him over Sonny, our state certainly was better off 8 years ago….and Deal does not seem like he knows what is necessary to right the ship.
BamaGurl
November 9th, 2010
11:07 pm
B.Thenet Now you know that President Obama is responsible for EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! The two wars, Sept. 11, the economy, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and Bishop Long taking young men on trips. They really believe it themselves and have obviously gotten many of their dummies to believe it. However , while they are saying the Pledge of Allegiance to Georgia, I am going to be on my knees, as usual, praying and praying and praying that I am not in “Kansas anymore”. I can not believe that there are so many people willing to suffer and make others suffer because of race. And these people knock the preachers down on Sunday getting into church. A lie don’t care who tells it!!!!!!!!!!!
Trey
November 9th, 2010
11:09 pm
Anyway, I am going. I have to get ready for work in the morning.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
11:10 pm
B Thenet, actually before I go I do need to respond to your comment. Roy Barnes shouldn’t have worried so much about the flag, as there were more important issues. When he changed that flag, I was quite irked with the blue garbage that he gave Georgia.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
11:11 pm
BamaGirl, why would you even make a joke using September 11?
Trey
November 9th, 2010
11:11 pm
BamaGurl*
td
November 9th, 2010
11:12 pm
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
10:57 pm
The last time we had one in office in GA, times were good Trey. Things have gone on a steep decline since Purdue took over, and lets be honest…we will be left with whatever Deal cannot carry out of the Governors mansion in 4 years.
Now this is a wild accusation. What proof do you have to back up such an accusation? The only person I have heard of to carry everything not nailed down out of a mansion when they left office was the last Democratic President we elected.
Trey
November 9th, 2010
11:12 pm
Anyway, have a good night B. Thenet.
td
November 9th, 2010
11:16 pm
B. Thenet
November 9th, 2010
11:06 pm
Roy was not great, in fact he was the master of his own demise with the horribly bungled flag fiasco. I would still take him over Sonny, our state certainly was better off 8 years ago….and Deal does not seem like he knows what is necessary to right the ship
I am so happy to know that a Governor of a small backwoods state has the power to cause a world wide recession. Your comment was a joke? Right. I got a laugh out of such an asinine statement.
insider
November 9th, 2010
11:16 pm
Why don’t some of you come sit in and watch the Senate during session? It is open to the public and you will see that they recite the pledge everyday and after, have a 5 minute sermon to get the day started. You’ve obviously not read the article very well. They are only adding a Georgia pledge after the normal one and also state some rules that were changed. Please read over and over until you understand. Better yet, come and watch before you judge!!
FMX
November 9th, 2010
11:17 pm
Let’s give these guys a chance before you condemn them. I really felt as if our choices for governor this time were awful. My gut is telling me that we will be in store for the most corrupt government this state has ever seemed. Mr. Deal has surrounded himself with lobbyists. Do you all realize what that mean? Its a shame because Georgia is one of the poorest, most uneducated states in the union. They talk about working hard etc, but Georgia is a welfare state. Deal wants to give businesses huge tax breaks which end up offering low paying jobs and costing the state millions in lost revenue. I am a republican and really feel that we will come to regret making this a one party state. I just hope that they try to move the state forward and not backwards to 1955. THE CIVIL WAR IS OVER AND THE SOUTH LOST. PLEASE MOVE ON.
JJ Harper
November 9th, 2010
11:19 pm
BamaGurl
You said, “Quote me a scripture and practice it. That will impress me.
Which scripture would you like for me to quote? Would that scripture be about the Babylonians in Genises, the jews in John 8, or the Sodomites? …or would you like to hear about the money changers or mongrels?
I used to sit in church and “put my sheet on – on Sunday night.” I did that until the “church” kicked me out, and poor, white, trash decided to infiltrate the Klan. In fact, I still have my “sheet!” I was the Imperial Wizard of the American White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for five years. …and it is not “Klu Kluxers.” Try studying your history… and spelling. Google “Ku Klux Klan.” You might learn something. You might just learn that the Ku Klux Klan corrected corrupt white people just as they did black folks!
If you’ll Google “JJ Harper KKK,” you might also learn that I marched 300 members of a black church around the Fulton County Courthouse in support of Proverbs 13:24 in 2003.
If you’re going to preach about the KKK, at least study the facts!
td
November 9th, 2010
11:21 pm
BamaGurl
November 9th, 2010
11:07 pm
All of this mess is not Obama’s fault but he is the current face of the real problem. The real problem is the liberal/progressive/socialist/communist movement in this country. And yes there are also Republicans that belong to this movement (See John McCain and Sonny Perdue as examples). The good news is the conservatives along with the tea party is starting to expose them for what they are and rooting them out. We will need at least a couple more election cycles to complete the tasks but the recent election was a good start.
R. Gray Smith
November 9th, 2010
11:32 pm
I posted under my real name because I’m proud to support the brave Senators who finally said enough is enough to Mr. Casey Cagle. Cagle was a power hungry mad man that finally got caught with his pants down. Pretending to be a consevative Republican, 4 yrs. ago, then state Senator Cagle ” sliped” a little jewell into the “right to farm” bill that would have denied all citizens of the great state of Georgia to participate in their right to “due process of the law”……..This man wouldn’t know the constitution if it bit him on the back side, nor did he care. It was all about Casey……..Certainly not “We the people “………..Bravo ! Brave Senators……..and a special thanks to out going state Senator Dan Moody…….Keep-up the good work listening to “The People “………….And by the way, Cagles version of the bill never made it out of committee.
LizBeth
November 9th, 2010
11:50 pm
It seems like it is really difficult to have a serious conversation on these AJC blogs. Mostly, everyone’s so busy running “smear campaigns,” no one really discusses what is happening and what could be done.
This article says that our representative government is going to require everyone in the same chamber with them to recite the pledge of allegiance, listen to a Protestant Christian sermon (I’m assuming here), and then recite the state pledge. What does choosing not to mean…treason? To the GOP or the state of Georgia? Which will the GOP choose to describe dissenters? USA, the Bible, Georgia, GOP, self….how many allegiances can one person have? Or are they one and the same to these folks?
captguitarman
November 10th, 2010
12:02 am
Well, at least Georgia did make a credible stab at it. I remember way back when — when I worked in the north and traveled to Atlanta a lot in the late 80’s — to Georgia, the new capital of the South. It was exciting to see the rise of Atlanta and to watch Georgia move forward and begin to compete for companies, jobs, growth, with the rust belt states, and to read Lewis Grizzard in the AJC every day, a steady voice for Georgia and the New South. Then I moved down here, and the Olympics were coming, and all the economic growth was on fire, and it was just really a great and exciting place to live. Except then, after I moved here, I began to see the cracks between the old an the new south, and the “us vs. them” thing between Atlanta (full of African Americans, yuppies, gays, etc.) and Democratic hold on the state. I despised the regionalism, the us vs. them and did not really understand it, coming from a state, where cities, suburbs, counties, and neighboring states all worked together. I realized that beneath veneer the vesitges of the Civil War and Reconstruction remained. I despised the Democrats. King Roy and the legislature, and all their attempts to hold on to control with gerrymandering of the Congressional districts on steroids. I thought they were holding the state back until What, Me Worry? Sonny Perdue gained power in the Republican Revolution and Richardson became the Speaker of the House. I realized that it was bidness as usual and we had just traded party names, but nothing else. And now here we are. The glory days are truly over, and every important issue facing this state, that must be dealt with for it to move forward, is caught in the “them vs. us” vortex, and the new Gov is clearly set in the What, Me Worry? tradition. The Pubs/Dems (the party name really doesn’t matter) now control the Dome and the Mansion, and they and the lobbyists are now officially “Open For Bidness.” And the New South is looking for a new headquarters in Nashville, Knoxville, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Charlston. It can’t be a city that is running out of water and heading for no growth, and no one in the state government has the first clue to do about it, and could care less anyway. It was a great run while it lasted. But, I will admit, it will be lots of fun to watch if the Shady Deal gets indicted, and the good old boys and girls under the Dome and their lobbyist pals have to suddenly deal with the scorned Cagle. We can only dream.
JJ Harper
November 10th, 2010
12:30 am
LizBeth
Here’s what it is all about, dear…
It’s not about the USA, Georgia, GOP, or Democrats. It is about a set of morals which we mush all follow.
Everybody lives by some kind of moral background. The laws of this land are (for the most part) built upon some “moral” foundation. Our moral foundation is built upon the oldest known foundation called the Bible. There is another known “foundation” called “satan.” You are either for or against either. There is no in-between according to both foundations. In other words, you cannot support any configuration of both. Even though, God’s chosen people have only one choice, we can choose (in an earthly sense) that which we want to believe. Though not saved by works and by God’s grace alone, works are a very good sign of God’s grace.
How does all of this play in with the First Amendment rights regarding the fact that government cannot make any infringement upon relgious freedom? Think about it. Our Government has never forced any kind of religion one over another or lack thereof on anyone. But, in effect, our government has always enforced and espoused the Christian religion on the people through our legal, moral foundation.
Many can call that foundation anything they wish – whether “of God” or not, but the fact remains that our founding laws were created by the very foundation God set before us. One may chose (in his/her own mind) from wince those laws originated. Law (and mankind – through fore-ordination) does not have the power to neglect such foundation in a spiritual sense. The laws of the land may be altered to deny the very foundation upon which that land was afforded the right to life as we know it on earth. And, many liberals are taking that right to extemes to do what God has forbade.
While our government (especially in Georgia) has chosen not to deny God, “it” has not infringed upon the satanic rights of those who are lost. Government (still) gives everyone the right to be ignorant and “lost” according to the moral foundation upon which this country was built.
To my knowledege, not one law-maker of any capacity has been dismissed because of his or her beliefs – moral or otherwise.
JJ Harper
November 10th, 2010
12:43 am
Correction…
I said, “Though not saved by works and by God’s grace alone, works are a very good sign of God’s grace.
…shoud have read, “Though not saved by works BUT by God’s grace alone, works are a very good sign of God’s grace.
FMX
November 10th, 2010
12:44 am
It just seems to me that the folks that are always talking religion are the most racist and corrupt people you will encounter. A lot of folks around here seem to have more loyalty to the confederacy than to Christianity. They want respect but they don’t want to give it.
JJ Harper
November 10th, 2010
1:02 am
FMS
I understand.
At the same time, I know that what you say is true. Many who “go to church” are damed to hell. Many of them “go to church” to be socially accepted. Many churches are nothing more than social gatherings. Many use religion to justify evil. Those are no different from satan, himself.
You might know of much scripture regarding those who say “they are” but are not – but are of their father – the devil. If not, believe me, the world is full of them.
I am racist, and I am very judgemental of others. Many people believe that God’s people aren’t to judge others “lest ye be judged.” Many people don’t understand that god commands His people to judge otheres, however. We must judge others to know right from wrong. Even the laws of this land judges others to punnish those who violate “morally” unnaceptable behavior.
While this is not the place to hold “Bible Study,” I am willing to discuss the topic of “judging others” personally. Simply email me at “admin at americanmilitant.org.”
FMX
November 10th, 2010
1:14 am
Its judging others based off of their actions. Sir there is no double standard. You can twist the bible all you want to but you know that Jesus expects of us. Hate and bigotry are the tools of the devil and you justify this by using the bible. Someone has to stand up for whats right and whats just even in the midst of madness. I refuse to judge anyone that I don’t know especially based off of their race. I can judge someone based off of their own individual actions rather than by looking at them and passing judgment because they are white, black, asian, or hispanic.
JJ Harper
November 10th, 2010
1:50 am
FMX
I believe that everybody in Georgia should have to work for the GA Dept. of Corrections for at least one year.
Then, and only then, should they be allowed to comment on the subject of “bigotry.”
Those of you who have at least one eye and half sense can look up demographics regarding our prison population.
…I guess the facts doesn’t speak for itself.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
November 10th, 2010
3:19 am
Bush, a draft-dodging closet-queen cheated into.the WH by only the RC’s on the SCOTUS, whose family has served Vatican banker Rockefellers five generations, since SO was built on murder and arson, and whose Knight of Malta grandfather was the money conduit from the U.S. RC collection plate to the author of “I Paid Hitler” and whose CIA, bigamist father “can’t recall” his whereabouts upon which he learned of JFK’s assassination by the CIA (’Hunt v Marchetti’) sending 58,000 of us to die for papal interests in VN, committed 9/11 (Viz. “The New Pearl Harbor,” Griffin, Ph.D.).
Don’t “get” it? You aren’t an American, you’re a Tory.
Gerald West
November 10th, 2010
5:39 am
What a completely useless bunch of yokels! Let them spend all their time on pledges and prayers if that’l divert them from their mischief.
Lee Howell
November 10th, 2010
6:14 am
I swear, I’ve voted GOP for the past 36 years, but on a state-wide level at least, these clowns are turning me into an Independent fast! I couldn’t even vote for most of them while holding my nose!
Willis
November 10th, 2010
6:24 am
So, how long will it take for their pledges and sermons and such to result in jobs for Georgians? Next thing we know they’ll be wearing their pistols in holsters while they are under the gold dome. Idiots.
Willis
November 10th, 2010
6:32 am
I hope new people don’t move to Geogia. That way, the Republican in-breeding will just get better.
The Centrist
November 10th, 2010
6:32 am
What a great start to a legislative year. Top priorities for protocol? Sermons and pledges. By the way, how many conservatives signed their loyalty oaths?
Us vs Us
November 10th, 2010
6:34 am
Re: JJ Harper at americanmilitant.org
Wow, a real live weekend warrior anti-american rambo survivalist wannabes playing army man with a mind to create a theocracy in the US.
I especially like the ” We don’t “tolerate” much outside the realm of Christianity.” Perfect, you stay classy dude. Have fun at your little jamborees.
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From that site
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We are vigorously active in what we stand for. We must reform so-called “Christians” back to the old-time religion! Our mission is that of “warfare!” America must start fighting for our Christian rights!
We are a “non-violent” organization, however, our aggressiveness might seem violent to some. We are an “in-your-face” organization. We don’t “tolerate” much outside the realm of Christianity.
If you plan to introduce anti-Christian ideologies to Americans, we plan to confront you with a welcome out of this country!
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Bobby
November 10th, 2010
6:44 am
We have a crook for Governor, an adulterer Family Values person for Lt. Governor. Sounds about right for Georgia politics.
Keith
November 10th, 2010
7:11 am
Shouldn’t all legislators at every level be pledging allegiance to the constitution instead or a piece of cloth? In particular they should be pledging to defend the concept of the federal government having a role of specifically enumerated powers. These people are not sent to office for their own personal profit or power. They are sent to serve the interests of the voters that elected them. Every single one of them owes their allegiance to the Constitution; not to a flag. No spending bill should ever be approved without asking if it is Constitutionally legitimate and if it is appropriate that the government steal money from taxpayers to provide it.
LizBeth
November 10th, 2010
7:12 am
JJ–
Honey, Sweetheart, Dear…
I get it. You’re a Pharisee.
Keith
November 10th, 2010
7:14 am
(gaah – words disappeared from my posting – That should have read: “In particular they should be pledging to defend the concept of the federal government having a LIMITED role of specifically enumerated powers.”)
JB
November 10th, 2010
7:29 am
Jez, these kids don’t even play well with thier own kind.
professional skeptic
November 10th, 2010
7:29 am
MODERATION?? Tell that to our bankrupt, spendthrift Gubner Elect.
A.B. Davis
November 10th, 2010
7:33 am
Hey, all you people who are critizing Ga., how about getting on the next northbound plane, train or bus. Go back to the rust belt and pay your stinking Chicago style taxes up there.
Jeff
November 10th, 2010
7:37 am
Pledging to the Ga flag is a step in the right direction, Constitutionally speaking. Another issue, why do state buildings fly the federal flag? Federal buildings don’t fly the state flag. As far as I’m concerning we could save ourselves a lot of money by not flying the fed flag on state property. And why is the fed flag flown higher than the state flag? Read your history folks, the state was here before the union and the states created the union.
Gwinnett GOP
November 10th, 2010
7:47 am
Gwinnett County – one party Republican rule = corruption. State Capitol = one party Republican rule.
kdd
November 10th, 2010
7:52 am
Glad I left GA for KY, it’s way more moderate…I never thought I’d ever say that! GA will soon be more backward than MS. Enjoy the ride!
common sense
November 10th, 2010
7:52 am
as the saying goes, people be afraid very afraid!!!!!….
professional skeptic
November 10th, 2010
7:58 am
AB Davis:
It is our God-given right to criticize Georgia government. I plan to exercise that right until we stop electing crooks, shysters and philanderers to state office.
What’s the point of a daily sermon during the legislative session if these jokers and clowns just turn right around and commit adultery with staffers and lobbyists while they’re in public office? Or, if they use the resources of their public office for personal financial gain?
There’s certainly no shortage of things to criticize.
Rob
November 10th, 2010
8:09 am
wow – this is disheartening – oaths to State flags – oaths to Political Parties – we all know what is next – Georgia will not attract new business with these puritanical and hypocritical legislators
NXS
November 10th, 2010
8:11 am
So the Republicans have ruled this state for over six years now, as they continually complained about one party rule at the national level. How has this worked out for Georgians? Well, at least we can legally collect and eat road kill.
This current group of Talibaptists is now demanding adherence to religious doctrines which, I would think, is unconstitutional. Of course, I’m sure our illustrious lawmakers are all constitutional scholars in one way or another so maybe this isn’t an issue. What a pathetic joke this state is becomings under a bunch of redneck, religious zealot. How long will it be before they try and make all of us take a pledge to their party and their savior?
John K
November 10th, 2010
8:23 am
A sermon? Seriously? Georgia: Spearheading the way to 1952.
SAMESTUFFDIFFERENTNAME
November 10th, 2010
8:31 am
REMINDS ME OF WHAT THE STATE DEMS WERE DOING FOR DECADES BEFORE THEY ALL BECAME REPUBS IN THE 90′S. ANYONE REMEMBER JOE FRANK SELLING OUT TO THE PAPER COMPANIES. FACE IT GUYS THIS IS THE SAME CORRUPT POWER STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD. SCREW EVERYONE THAT IS NOT RICH AND POWERFUL THEN DIVIDE THEM ALONG PARTY LINES. I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF GEORGIANS ARE MODERATE, INTELLIGENT, HARD WORKING PEOPLE BEING REPRESENTED BY THE OPPOSITE. WE DO NOT GET A PROPER CHOICE WHEN WE ARE IN THE VOTING BOOTH BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE CONTROL THOSE CHOICES.
Paul in RDU
November 10th, 2010
8:33 am
Is it 1861?
lmno
November 10th, 2010
8:35 am
Great, they are reciting a pledge as a way to give the proverbial finger to the Federal Government. They did something like this in 1956 to give the finger to Brown v. Board of Education. I suspect that their current actions will be viewed historically much like that 1956 move.
Are we ever going to get tired of dragging behind the rest of the country?
Rural Georgians are Ignorant
November 10th, 2010
8:35 am
Let’s see … The state GOP-lead agenda so far has produced:
1. Praying for rain
2. Ok to carry guns to church
3. Ok to eat road kill
4. Pledge allegiance to the State flag
5. Strip the Lt. Governor of his power
6. Consistently finish in the bottom 3 of education
Oh yeah, this state is definitely on the right track.
All politics are local. WHERE’S THE JOBS!!!!!!!
lmno
November 10th, 2010
8:41 am
Don’t forget that they also passed a bill that bans anyone from forcing others to have microchips planted under their skin!
Dodged a bullet on that one! Good looking out Georgia GOP.
I look forward to your many other progressive forward thinking ideas.
If you are taking suggestions, I think maybe you should make it illegal for anyone to use a ray gun for controlloing womp bat populations. Think about it.
pete
November 10th, 2010
8:50 am
smells like a breath of stinky air from the American Fascist party.Republicans are just left overs of the Italian fascist party.Corporatism and the republican party are funding the death of our free REPUBLIC.Wake up working people do you want to go back to slaving all day for pennies, if not then start researching what and who you vote for.I mean really who would vote against themseves, Amendment 1 for example this should have never happened do we not have enough laws on the books.We are going to enslave ourselves thinking we are doing something for this or that goverment party.Think before you do, United We Will Stand Divided We Will Fall.
GT/MIT
November 10th, 2010
8:53 am
Ah, the blues are blue, the grapes are sour, the chops are bursted, and God forgive me, your angst is a joy to behold !!
John Goldsmith
November 10th, 2010
9:29 am
Rep. Tom Price is an idiot!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/republican-study-committe_n_781122.html?view=print
td
November 10th, 2010
9:30 am
GT/MIT
November 10th, 2010
8:53 am
Ah, the blues are blue, the grapes are sour, the chops are bursted, and God forgive me, your angst is a joy to behold !!
LMAO. Very well said and so true.
SpaceyG
November 10th, 2010
10:18 am
*Usurpations* is a popular word… on some other planet.
OldFarmer
November 10th, 2010
10:20 am
More Elephant Party bull.
DJ Sniper
November 10th, 2010
10:38 am
Rural Georgians, you said it. As time has gone by, I’ve started paying more attention to local politics, and Georgia just seems to keep shooting itself in the foot. I swear, our elected officials seem hellbent on keeping this state stuck in the past instead of moving to the future. We are way behind on public transportation (which I’m sure will cost us jobs), we haven’t made any progress on the water situation, our education system is terrible, but none of these issues have been addressed. Our elected officials are more concerned with gun rights, microchip implants, and other such nonsense.
I just love it when people come on here and talk about how people should leave if they don’t like it here. Some of us do like it here, but we would prefer that the people in charge would actually serve the state and the people instead of their own interests.
backwards is the new forwards
November 10th, 2010
11:00 am
I hear they’re instigating a new dress code too, white capes and gowns and a fancy white pointy cap. Sometimes they sun is too hot for their fair skin so they can pull the cap down to cover their face.
GT/MIT
November 10th, 2010
11:35 am
I can’t recall off the top of my head which biblical character said,”its better to plant thy seed in the belly of a (lady of the evening) than to cast it upon the ground”. After reading through the comments posted on this forum, I think he was mistaken.
catlady
November 10th, 2010
11:49 am
Georgia Blue, Here are the Republican plans for education and the economy: !
Dan
November 10th, 2010
11:50 am
Really??? Don’t they have real work to do?
Will
November 10th, 2010
12:05 pm
Although a native born Georgian who loves my state, I pledge allegiance to no flag other than the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
Make no mistake about it, there are radical republicans in our state who are plotting and planning to lead a secession movement in Georgia. When the republicans lead our state out of The United State of America, I will proudly stand with our grand republic.
LMAO@GAVOTERS
November 10th, 2010
12:11 pm
TREY I hate to burst your bubble, but do your research my friend, the Repubs ran our country into the ground the last 8 years and for the majority of that time the Repubs had the White House and Congress under thier fingertips. So seeing that it took us 8 years to get in this mess, dont you think its going to take the current administration JUST AS LONG TO GET US OUT THE DITCH??
People like you have selective memory only when it chooses to fit your cause. Bill Clinton left office and this country had all its bills paid and a surplus. Within the first 18 months of Former Pres. George Bush’s term that surplus was gone and we were back in debt and we’ve never seen the light of day since then. So save me the rhetoric for another time.
As for sending jobs overseas, well all I can say is Whats the largest company in America that currently moved its entire operation overseas for tax breaks and was Chaired by an former Vice President? Repubs only say what we want to hear then do whatever the hell they want once elected. I REPEAT SINCE THE REPUBS THINK THE COUNTRY IS GIVEN THEM A SECOND CHANCE I EXPECT 2% UNEMPLOYMENT AND THE NATIONS DEBT REDUCED BY January 2, 2011. I’m given them less time than they are allowing the current president to fix this mess that took 8 years for the Repubs to create. Please TREY you been drinking too much of the Repubs KoolAid, but thats typical. Like my grandfather always said if you want to know a man’s future actions study his past.
Ignorance is bliss
November 10th, 2010
12:14 pm
I didn’t have time to read all of the comments, but has it been noted that the current GA flag is also the original Confederate States flag!!! Pledging allegiance to that flag is like saying a pledge to the Confederate States! Something has got to be done about this party gone wild. Next thing you know, they will try seceding (sp)from the union.
BBW
November 10th, 2010
12:16 pm
Maybe I am lost, but I’m proud they take the time to have prayer, pledge the American Flag and if they want pledge the Georgia Flag. Lets not loose our faith. Maybe we did elect the wrong Governor, all the more reason for prayer.
td
November 10th, 2010
12:26 pm
Will
November 10th, 2010
12:05 pm
Although a native born Georgian who loves my state, I pledge allegiance to no flag other than the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
Make no mistake about it, there are radical republicans in our state who are plotting and planning to lead a secession movement in Georgia. When the republicans lead our state out of The United State of America, I will proudly stand with our grand republic
I hope so because I do not really want to pay for bailing out Calf, NY, and Ill and Mich because their masses were to stupid to elect conservatives that would cut their budgets instead of continuing to amass debt.
luangtom
November 10th, 2010
12:36 pm
When are the whiners going to get over it and quit their p%$$ing and moaning? These people have not held a session yet and their detractors are out in force whining and complaining. Why are you not doing the same due to your Messiah, B. Hussein Obama, not going forth with his promises and lies? I suppose the tax-payer paid vacations for Michelle and daughters to shop overseas is not worth mentioning when many here are on unemployment and getting no help from the Messiah. Neither party is without fault or missteps. Wait until January for your clamoring and discontent. Let them at least convene the session.
backwards is the new forwards
November 10th, 2010
1:02 pm
@luangtom: Really? Whiners? Fox News, The Tea Party and the Republicans have been doing nothing but whining for the past two years, laying an assault on Democrats and blaming the for all the problems in this country. Maybe you should do a little more research into GW Bush. Selective memory indeed.
BPJ
November 10th, 2010
2:56 pm
I think it’s wonderful that Georgia republicans will be pledging allegiance to the principle of moderation! (After all, hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.)
GT/MIT
November 10th, 2010
4:08 pm
@ backward is the new forward
I find your comment somewhat perplexing. While I agree that politics has been really ugly on both sides, the Tea Party has been making some waves, and the Republicans “have been laying an assault on Democrats”, even to the extent of blaming them for the unprecedented debt that will be passed on to our grandchildren. All of this, even though those of us with our heads up our a.., no let me rephrase that, with our heads in the sand know that it cannot possibly be true. Isn’t that right backwards? You neglected to mention the one most important thing that conservatives have been doing, and thats kicking your left wing butts out of office!!!
Right is Wrong
November 10th, 2010
8:51 pm
GT/MIT. I thought perhaps your moniker might stand for GaTech/Mass. Inst. Tech; however, after reading your post, maybe it stands for Gigantic TeaTard/Missing Intelligence Traits. How’s that good ‘ole “CON”servative leadership been working out for us here in Georgia? What have the Repubs done since they took control of the legislature, after Sonny came in and then immediately began helping himself to sweetheart tax breaks for himself and his corporate enablers? Nationally, Dems got thrown out for not creating jobs (which interestingly CONservatives claim is not the goverment’s job, while they pillory Obama for not doing so). How many jobs have our state’s one party RepubliCONs created? Last time I checked we were at 10% in Georgia which is higher than the national average of 9.6%. Yea, great CONservative leadership alright!
And you may have “kicked our left wing butts out of office” for now, but how long do you think the people of this state, and of this nation, will be attracted by the shiny little lures of CONservative politics (hey, look over here, liberals are communists, they hate God, they love queers, and a lot of them “don’t look like us” wink, wink, nod, nod). The dissension that the party you, apparently, support has caused is truly degrading to the fabric of our nation and has poisoned political discourse with all of its fear-mongering and hate speech coming from the AM echo chamber and GOPTV, aka Faux News. So while we liberals and progressives may be in the wilderness for some time to come, at least we know that our motives and policies are based FAR more on altruism than on the greed and the “I got mine” policies that permeate the Republicon Party.
I’ll close with a question for you. Just how many jobs did that great CONservative tax plan for millionaires and billionaires create? You know, the tax cuts that helped to break our long-term discretionary budgets (which is why it has a sunset provision) and to defund everything in our government except a never ending war of choice, i.e. the Bush tax cuts. Fewer jobs were created under Bush than in almost any other modern presidency except for daddy and Ford (even Carter kicked his butt, soundly!) -read it and weep, straight from the WSJ http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/.
Nationally, people will figure out that the Republicon scam of “look the other way while we take care of our rich buddies and continue to shrink the middle class” sooner than later. In Georgia, I’m not so sure as being 48-49th in education for so long has clearly taken its toll!
GT/MIT
November 10th, 2010
11:43 pm
Right really is Wrong//You have obviously invested quite some time in the construction of your comments, by that I mean you’ve spelled most of the words correctly if we can assume that the convolution of certain words was done purposely. But like most liberals that I have encountered lately you have somewhat of a problem processing the information you collect in any kind of a rational way. First you find it acceptable to attack FOX news simply because you don’t agree with their opinion while you make no mention of MSNBC, an admittedly far left media. Secondly, and this I find to be most distasteful, you tend to try to elevate your ideology by myth, half truths, and outright lies. I don’t recall calling anyone a communist, don’t know how you feel about God, and I have no idea of your relationship with homosexuals, wink wink, nod, nod. Finally, in answer to your question, I don’t know how many jobs we millionaires and billionaires created, but I know you liberals caused millions of them to vanish. In closing let me say once again, I am not a Democrat nor am I a Republican but I am true to the belief that fiscal conservatism is the only way our country can survive. I bid you a good evening sir.
Michael
November 12th, 2010
10:35 am
Soon, reinstatement of slavery but this time based on national origin.