Trauma network supporters tout backing from Nathan Deal, Roy Barnes

Supporters of Amendment 2, which would levy a $10 car tag fee to finance an $18 million-a-year statewide trauma network, say they have internal polling that now shows a majority of Georgia voters in favor of the measure on Tuesday’s ballot.

Jane Langley, spokeswoman for Yes 2 Save Lives, said polling of 500 registered voters statewide produced the following results:

– Yes, 52 percent — up from 48 percent last week;

– No, 37 percent – down from 45 percent last week;

The survey was conducted by Public Opinion Strategies. MOE is +/- 4 percentage points.

Yes 2 Save Lives, financed by the states business and medical communities, has blanketed the state with some powerful 30-second TV spots.

But it hopes to seal the deal with a 60-second radio ad that touts support from two candidates for governor: Democrat Roy Barnes and Republican Nathan Deal.

Here’s the script:

Female narrator: You don’t find candidates agreeing on much these days.

Male narrator: But we have a Republican, Nathan Deal, and a Democrat, Roy Barnes, both saying vote yes on Amendment 2.

Female narrator: They both agree. Yes on 2 saves lives.

Male narrator: But this is not a matter of politics. It’s a matter of life and death. You see, Georgia loses nearly a thousand lives a year just because we don’t have enough trauma centers. Roy Barnes learned that first hand when his daughter and granddaughters were in a car accident a few weeks ago. He knows it could happen to anyone.

Female narrator: And Nathan Deal also says yes on 2.

Male narrator: Trauma care funds will be safe from politicians. The money is locked away, protected by our constitution.

Female narrator: Barnes, Deal and Georgians agree. Yes on 2 saves lives.

Male narrator: And the money is safe from politicians.

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Common Sense

October 29th, 2010
3:01 pm

A Yes vote is a no-brainer. $10 a year for the most effective insurance you could buy.

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:04 pm

So now BOTH Big Government Party candidates openly support a tax increase.

Makes the decision to give them the Third Finger and vote for John Monds – the ONLY fiscal conservative in the race who WILL lower your taxes – that much easier.

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:05 pm

The ad lies, btw. Because there is no definition for “statewide trauma network”, the General Assembly can define that term however they want to in OCGA and direct that money anywhere they want.

BW

October 29th, 2010
3:09 pm

Jeff

So just torpedo the whole thing right? You can’t trust Dems and you can’t trust R’s….where does that leave you?

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:11 pm

BW: Give the Ds and Rs the Third Finger – vote Libertarian. At least they haven’t had a part in screwing everything up to this point – they can’t be any worse than the other two yahoos!

eli

October 29th, 2010
3:12 pm

Jeff,

What makes you think taxes aren’t too low?

Furthermore, define fiscal conservative.

In my book a fiscal conservative is one who merely works to ensure the budget is not in the red (ie, that revenue is equal to or greater than spending).

Also, Monds can not lower taxes

Sallie Brown

October 29th, 2010
3:13 pm

Nice contradiction – trust these politicians (Deal and Barnes) and vote the way they suggest, but we’re going to keep “the money safe from politicians.”
It’s sad that we have to tax car owners to pay for what the state should provide with its general fund, but I’m gonna vote “yes” for the sake of my friends and neighbors who don’t live near a trauma center.

thrash223

October 29th, 2010
3:14 pm

It’s just money… today it’s a $10 tag tax… tomorrow who knows. Whatever it is it won’t be enough… it never is. It will just end up allocated for other purposes as soon as they have it in their state piggy bank. Like a 4 year old with $10 at ToysRUs they won’t know what to do with all this new money pouring in but spend it as fast as they can and dig a deeper debt hole. Grow a brain people… Stop turning your money over until they prove themselves responsible to spend it wisely (and that will take a while to prove.)

Karl Marx

October 29th, 2010
3:17 pm

What happened to the Supper Speeder Law. That was suposed to fund This So called Trauma Network. Now they want more Money, NO. All this is, is a wefare plan for Central and South Georgia because they will not vote to fund these improvements and want the Metro Atlanta area to fund it for them. Don’t buy into this hog wash. Vote NO

Hypocrite hunter

October 29th, 2010
3:17 pm

“Trauma network” is not a hospital, it is a categorization of a hospital. This is $80m of corporate welfare to the medical lobby, wildly approved by every elected official that receives contributions from them. If its such a smart idea, why doesn’t the private sector fund the improvements? How many lives are going to be saved and at what cost? Is there a less expensive and more effective alternative? Why is raising taxes and having government determined benefits “Obamacare” when done at the federal level, and a compassionate Republican idea when done at the state level?

BW

October 29th, 2010
3:18 pm

thrash

They all write their bills in that way, D or R. Those who believe that small government reps don’t believe in control of our tax money is fooling themselves. That being said it’s difficult not to get behind something that makes sense such as adequate coverage of the state in trauma centers. The only difference between a public entity and a private entity in the case of implementation is that at least with the public entity you can see where the dollars went if they were misallocated and the appropriate parties can be held accountable whereas with a private entity….well good luck with any transparency

The Snark

October 29th, 2010
3:19 pm

Jeff:

Wrong, buddy. We have a statutory commmission on developing a statewide trauma network pursuant to a statutory definition of trauma services. OCGA Code Sections 31-11-100 et sequence.

BW

October 29th, 2010
3:20 pm

Karl Marx

It’s like with traffic cams….people adjust their behavior to compensate. They just told everyone that nonsense in order to avoid actually asking people to fund something.

thrash223

October 29th, 2010
3:21 pm

I can here it now…”When this Trauma center project is completed we’ll cancel this additional tax… trust us!!!” Just like the GA400 toll booth was a temporary tax for a specified purpose… As soon as its all paid off it will go away… we promise… same crap different tax.

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:23 pm

eli:

Because I pay at LEAST 40-50% of my income in taxes, that’s why I think taxes are TOO HIGH!

When it takes the average American worker 99 days to work for NOTHING but to pay their taxes, taxes are TOO HIGH.

When a man has to choose between feeding his family or paying his taxes, taxes are TOO HIGH.

Right now, we’ve got out of control spending in both Ga and Congress. Cut the spending, which the Governor has the power to do, and you lower taxes, because less tax money needs to be stolen from the taxpayer to pay for all the spending.

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:24 pm

Snark:

Guess who gets to change the statutes every time they’re in Session? You just proved my point.

eli

October 29th, 2010
3:25 pm

What is with all of this talk of “they.” Do not forget that “we” elect these people.

Just because you do not want something does not mean that 50% +1 voter in your district or in the total population of the state does not want it.

They are fiscally responsible. They are as fiscally responsible as the people want them to be. You obviously can not do the math, trash, but some of us took the time to learn to do so.

As Walker so famously stated: “You can not have guns, butter and low taxes. The number just don’t add up.”

Do you want clean water? Do you want traffic lights and signs? Do you want roads maintained and safe? Do you want a power grid? a military? a national gaurd? medicare? social security? libraries? schools? an educated and healthy work force? safe products (ie leather car interiors that will not cause cancer and/or birth defects)? what about safe food? safe drugs? law enforcement? jails? armor and ammunition for police? court houses? a legislature? I can keep going on, but guess what all of this has in common. Tax revenue. Freedom is not free, it costs trillions of dollars in tax revenue.

If you do not like it, leave and be a hermit. Drink water with lead in it. Drive in streets without rules. Live in a world in which wrongdoers can not be brought to justice. Otherwise get with the program.

Or do you want to cut a few thousand checks a month to pay private contractors what you want? I hope you do not forget how much the government actually does…because when you forget that government regulates and oversees water quality you may actually end up drinking leaded water. Though your inability to connect the dots tells me you probably have a lot of experience drinking leaded water.

Sick&Tired

October 29th, 2010
3:25 pm

Karl Marx

October 29th, 2010
3:17 pm

You are 100% correct. They should totally fund their own trauma centers. The people in Metro Atlanta pay out the WOOHA in taxes and everything else. These people are just trying to take advantage.

eli

October 29th, 2010
3:26 pm

Jeff, if you can not feed your family cut back on your own spending.

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:30 pm

eli:

There are private ways to do virtually everything you just described, and these private methods would be MORE effective than Big Government.

Think about it: If you’re in the business of providing water, are you going to let it become contaminated and lose business to your competitor who provides clean water? NO! You’re going to invest in making sure your water is absolutely sparking at all times, from the time it is collected through the time it enters the consumer’s hands.

It wasn’t private business that failed and let the peanut butter from South Ga get tainted a few years back – it was government. Had the private business been left to its own devices, it would have gone out of business with no government intervention at all.

MidGaRetiree

October 29th, 2010
3:32 pm

Bloggers say people in middle and south GA want Metro Atlanta to pay for the trauma network. People in Atlanta have been demanding the the entire state of Georgia pay for MARTA and Grady. Do you think that some where there may be some common ground or basis for a trade-off?????

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:33 pm

Gotta love the elitists like eli who think that a man should work 50% of the time “for the common good”.

Eli: There is no such thing as the “common good”. When a man claims there is a “common good”, he is nothing more than a thief who is looking to live off someone else’s productivity.

It is absolutely morally WRONG to force a man to live for the sake of another man. We fought a war to end slavery 150 years ago, and you want to continue to practice it.

eli

October 29th, 2010
3:36 pm

Jeff,

Would you let it be contaminated and lose business? Sure. Private business has a distinct history of finding a profitable cut off point. Government is concerned with just outcomes, business profitable ones. Business would likely find a treatment cut off point allowing so much lead to flow through the water supply whereas government would not allow any. It was private business that failed with the peanut butter contamination. If private business is the end all be all of efficiency and safety those companies would have standards that exceed those of the government. That is not the case though. Private business is all about the drive to the bottom.

How is that incorrect? honestly, if business wants to do better it can. The regulations never say that a contamination level must be x%. They state that contamination may not exceed x%. Sure a few bureaucrats did not do their jobs, but that is no different than private business.

That is not Big Government either. I have always been curious though…define big government.

Bill

October 29th, 2010
3:40 pm

Jeff: You are paying too much in taxes. Find yourself a good tax lawyer or accountant. Maybe try Nathan Deal’s.

john

October 29th, 2010
3:41 pm

An earlier poll showed strong resistance. I bet there will be a similar swing in Barnes’ numbers.

Virginia

October 29th, 2010
3:42 pm

Karl Marx

October 29th, 2010
3:17 pm
What happened to the Supper Speeder Law. That was suposed to fund This So called Trauma Network. Now they want more Money, NO. All this is, is a wefare plan for Central and South Georgia because they will not vote to fund these improvements and want the Metro Atlanta area to fund it for them. Don’t buy into this hog wash. Vote NO.

Karl: Good thing you never drive south of metro Atlanta! If you did, you just might get hit by one of those logging trucks in south Georgia if you’re driving backroads, or a semi if you’re on the Interstate. Then you or your kids or grandkids might just need a trauma center nearby. $10 doesn’t seem like all that much when you think about what you might lose.

Sick&Tired

October 29th, 2010
3:43 pm

MidGaRetiree

October 29th, 2010
3:32 pm

Are you kidding, MARTA has been raising their ridder fees for years. What exactly has the state done to fund MARTA? People come in from all over the country, state and other countries to events in Atlanta.

What exactly do we get out of South or Middle Georgia?

Jeff

October 29th, 2010
3:44 pm

eli:

What is their incentive for being better than the government, when government caps what they can make and how they can make it? Without Big Government telling them what to do, free market capitalism provides their incentive in the form of cold hard cash. The better their product, the more they can charge for it and the more money they can make – which they can then use to both line their pockets and make their product even better.

We’ve got kids that can barely read “See Spot Run” that are *graduating from public high school*, and you say PRIVATE businesses are a “race to the bottom”????

Sick&Tired

October 29th, 2010
3:45 pm

If you want a trade off, try paying what we pay in taxes and we’ll meet you half way on the trauma centers.

john

October 29th, 2010
3:46 pm

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/10/07/insideradvantage-poll-trauma-care-vote-on-life-support/

22 days ago, Forty-eight percent of all Georgians are against the proposed amendment. Only 26 percent support it.

DannyX

October 29th, 2010
3:51 pm

“People in Atlanta have been demanding the the entire state of Georgia pay for MARTA and Grady.”

You have got to be kidding me! 35% of all taxes collected in metro-Atlanta go to other parts of the state. THIRTY-FIVE percent. Read the recent editorial about the total lack of support from the state and the effect it is now having on growth. Nobody from south Georgia is paying anything to Atlanta.

MARTA and Grady have been squeezed by the state. Fulton and DeKalb taxpayers have had to pick up the slack, we have taxed ourselves extra for MARTA trains and Grady trauma. Now we are expected to fund extra regional and state wide projects too! What a deal.

Then Atlanta gets trashed. Everywhere in Georgia. At the same time these same people have their hands stuck out demanding their entitlement.

double

October 29th, 2010
3:52 pm

Halloween late this year Nov 2nd.

thrash223

October 29th, 2010
3:56 pm

Eli – Yes we do need to pay taxes and yes we vote reps in, the problem being they do not hold to the standards most constituents expect, we trust them too, but they have failed us.

GA has a 44 million dollar debt currently. Yes, govt helps to give us fresh H2O, police, and streets, but for example Atl. Water is one of the most inefficient ops I’ve ever witnessed. 10 people doing the job of 2… That’s Gov’t for you.

Oversight and regulation are good in places they need to be (when also regulated themselves)… however, millions of funding for arts, useless money losing public transit operations, and personal interest bearing pet projects eat up tons of tax payers dollars. Budgets are laughed at within Gov’t circles. No accountability exists except trough our voting power.

When they show they make the real cuts needed, then I might be willing to give them more than the 35% of my hard earned income that I already do.

eli

October 29th, 2010
3:58 pm

they do not cap anything. cash is not an as big of an incentive as you think it is. can I pay you $350k plus funeral expenses to murder your child without legal repercussions? Probably not. Why? Because money is not everything. Power and sentiment play big roles in decision making.

Furthermore, when we begin talking about commodities, we are really talking about rights. You have the right to clean water. I have the right to clean water. Why? Because we have the right to live healthy productive lives. We should not be paying competitive rates. Also, there is nothing in your argument to suggest the absence of a cut off point. Just look at the public opinion polling industry. Why do private companies stop making calls when they reach the +/-3.5% error mark? Because it is good enough. ANES is an NSF funded opinion polling project that has a margin of error of less than .5%. Why? Because of the ends pursued.

What makes you think businesses will reinvest profits? They have not done so for two years. Chances are they are just going to hoard away the money to spend on political advocacy in 2012.

Last Man Standing

October 29th, 2010
4:08 pm

Virginia:

I think I’m in need of a trauma center now because I actually agree with you on something!

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
4:19 pm

Let me get this straight… I’m asked to vote for a $10.00 tax to build something that (in effect) will cost me an arm and a leg if I ever have to visit the place? Just let me die already!

john

October 29th, 2010
4:53 pm

I’m sure there are a lot of people like JJ that would rather die then pay a bill.

Bob

October 29th, 2010
5:19 pm

If we had gun control in this state, we’d need fewer trauma centers. Maybe a $10 registration fee should be charged for each gun. That would probably be enough to fund Grady and MARTA too.

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
5:20 pm

That’s why I try not to have any. Now you want me to vote in favor of one?

By the way… I have some ocean-front property in Arizona for sale. If you’ll vote for another $10.00 tax hike, the government can clean the property so all of you liberals can enjoy it. I will have to charge a small fee for entering the property, however.

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
5:22 pm

“GUN CONTROL:” USE BOTH HANDS!!!

Try it, Bob! It works for me.

Bob

October 29th, 2010
5:23 pm

JJ: The liberals in Atlanta have trauma centers. We’re being asked to pay so necks in Middle and South Georgia can have some too.

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
5:30 pm

That’s great, Bob! YOU pay my ten dollars. You liberals might just be ok afterall!

Virginia

October 29th, 2010
5:37 pm

Last Man, I can’t believe it either, but I’m glad it’s true. Maybe there’s hope for all of us yet!! Have a nice evening.

Bob

October 29th, 2010
6:29 pm

JJ: I’m moderate. Let Middle and South Georgia pay for their own trauma centers.

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
6:44 pm

Bob: I’m conservative. Keep government out of the medical business altogether! When I get to stop paying for everybody else’s injuries and/or babies, I might think about helping to build a trauma center in south Georgia.

Paddy O

October 29th, 2010
7:08 pm

This tax will raise $80 million per year for infinity. This “trauma network” should not cost that much money – however, if you read what they wish to pay with it, then they will be able to gobble up all the money. Also, DO NOT believe that the general assembly will never reprogram the money – there are a couple other “trust funds” that have revenue dedicated for a purpose that, when the tax receipts are down get siphoned to fill the holes in the budget. If this tax was proposed at $5 per tag, I might opt for it. As it is, it is way too expensive. BTW, they intend to pay medical expenses for idiots who get into these trauma events, but do not have any $$ or insurance. Also, they hope to fund the actual training of employees with these funds. It is a gigantic slush fund for the medical community – who already skip paying property tax for hospitals throughout the state – or did you not know the hospital administrators are already screwing the general populace out of taxes?

Bob

October 29th, 2010
7:51 pm

JJ: The private sector has not paid for trauma centers in parts of the state. If they are necessary, then the government should pay. However, the issue is whether we in Atlanta should pay or whether that should be funded locally. In Fulton and Dekalb, we’re paying for Grady.

Personally, I don’t have a second home on Sea Island and I don’t go quail hunting in South Georgia so I’m not seeing any personal benefit paying for trauma centers in those areas.

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
7:56 pm

…oh… I almost forgot. You’d have to have a rainbow on there to support “CHANGE!”

Bob

October 29th, 2010
8:00 pm

JJ: People making comments like that at 7:49 usually have a wide stance in the airport restroom (or preach in megachurches). The rest of us are not especially threatened and live and let live.

JJ Harper

October 29th, 2010
8:10 pm

Believe me, Bob. I have “paid.”

“If they are necessary, then the government should pay.” You’re showing your true colors, Bob.

What ever happened to “the people” being responsible for ourselves? What ever happened to the people paying our own way? What ever happened to private enterprise – even in the medical profession? Why is it that you people think everybody else owes you a living?

Why don’t you simply move to a country controlled by a dictatorship or complete socialism? Where were you when Hitler needed you? Oh… nevermind, you would have been one of the misfits in society who believes the “government” owes you a living.” …and a trauma center.