Tea party’s Dick Armey: Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton traded notes on girlfriends

Back in 2006, Marvin Olasky of World magazine was one of the few conservative Christian evangelicals willing to criticize Ralph Reed, then a candidate for lieutenant governor, for his involvement with Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Today, Olasky has a Q&A with former U.S. House majority leader Dick Armey, whose group FreedomWorks is a major financial backer of the tea party movement.

Armey alleges that there was some moral – or immoral – collusion between President Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich, then speaker of the U.S. House and a Georgia congressman.

Update: Gingrich was at a Gwinnett County rally this afternoon for Republican nominee for governor Nathan Deal. He told my AJC colleague Aaron Gould Sheinin that he was aware of Armey’s comments. “It’s just not true,” Gingrich said.

An excerpt of the Armey interview:

Olasky: What went wrong in 1994 after Republicans won Congress by pledging to “restore bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives”?

Armey: We went from trying to balance the budget to using the budget as a pork barrel. We went from entrepreneurs to bureaucrats, from the great ideas to the selfish ideas. But I also refine my understanding-there are two kinds of bureaucrats: benign bureaucrats and malevolent ones. The benign bureaucrat was Denny Hastert. He meant no harm to anybody. He just wanted life to be easy.

Olasky: And the malevolent bureaucrat?

Armey: A malevolent bureaucrat is a power maximizer: I’m in business for myself, and willing to do harm to other people to get what I want, for me. Tom DeLay….

Olasky: In 1998 during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, a reporter asked you what you would do if you were in President Clinton’s position. You’re said to have replied, “I would not have gotten a chance to resign. I would be lying in a pool of my own blood with Mrs. Armey standing over me saying, how do I reload this thing?” True?

Armey: True. By the way, she outshoots me with a handgun and knows how to reload it.

Olasky: Who did know?

Armey: When I heard that Newt had been carrying on an affair for all the years that we’d worked together, I went home and said, “Honey, I had no idea about this.” She said, “Of course not. You’re the last person in town Newt would have wanted to know about this.” Newt was scared of me. What I discovered: Clinton found out about the Gingrich affair and called Newt over to the White House for a private meeting between the two of them. Clinton said, “You and I are alike.” Which meant, shut up about Monica or I’ll start telling your story.

Olasky: Was it blackmail or bonding?

Armey: Newt and Clinton actually developed sort of a bond over it. They had many meetings that we didn’t know about where they’d drink wine and smoke cigars and talk about their girlfriends. It’s fascinating; why would you confess to your mortal enemy what you wouldn’t tell your closest friends?

Olasky: Why did he?

Armey: Politicians are fascinating. If you ever want to do developmental psychology, use them. They are much, much, much more skillful at developing rationalizations than developing rational thought.

Olasky: Is the psychology, “I’m important, I’m getting adulation, I can do what I want?”

Armey: It’s a prudent thing for a man to know his limitations, but when you’re in a position of authority like public office, it’s a moral imperative. There wasn’t a lobbyist in town who didn’t laugh at my jokes: How in the world did I get so funny? I’m amazed at how little introspection I see from privileged people.

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50 comments Add your comment

Rob

October 28th, 2010
10:44 am

And Newt will be advocating for our new Governor – Deal today in Gwinnett. Additionally, he will be advocating for Liz Carter and Rob Woodall – running for the Congress. If Newt endorses them – I say don’t vote for them! Throw all those rascals out!! You see what happened in Gwinnett with all the GOPers – throw them all out!! be thoughtful for once !

Birds of a Feather

October 28th, 2010
10:46 am

Clinton and Gingrich having regular bull sessions to discuss their sexual affairs. And this is what we elect to represent us and our nation. No wonder the country is failing! I guess birds of a feather really do flock together. God help the United States of America.

McGill

October 28th, 2010
10:47 am

So I assume the typical Left response will be, as for Clinton: Move On! as for Gingrich: Hang him! (See ROB, above)

john

October 28th, 2010
10:55 am

That’s creepy. Yet Newt and Deal are about to rally together. Speaks a lot about the “character” of Deal.

yuzeyurbrain

October 28th, 2010
11:04 am

I must say I am pleasently surprised to hear such candor from Armey, especially re the hubris of power.

roybama barnes

October 28th, 2010
11:10 am

“At one point, according to the book, Barnes personally calls Frank Ford, the county prosecutor, and says,” What’re you people doing down there? Ya’ll need to back off”…..and refused meetings with Howard.” Why did Roy Barnes attempt to thwart an investigation that netted the most notorious serial pedophile in U.S. history? Politicians and pedophiles, both lust for power. http://bibbrepublicanparty.com

Funny how reporters are selective of the salacious details they want to report. There are few issues that are as thoroughly documented as the issue of Roy Barnes emboldening and empowering a serial pedophile who fathered 200 illegitimate children and molested over 1,000 women, girls and boys, even a baby!!! It was Barnes lust for power that threw these victims under the bus.

bart

October 28th, 2010
11:12 am

No surprise. The surprise is Armey willing to admit it, but there is no love lost betwween him and Gingrich. Gingrich is the worst kind of hypocrite, and self-serving to the core, as is Deal. Both of them will do and say anything to get elected. It’s hilarious that in one of Deal’s commercials he talks about having honesty and integrity. That’s the biggest joke I’ve heard. If the voters of Georgia elect this crook to the governor’s office, then we’ll get what we deserve.

JD

October 28th, 2010
11:13 am

Where are all the conspiracy theorists — lessee — Deal was endorsed by Richardson while he was still speaker (cue Richardson resignation tape here). Deal supported Gingrich for speaker (cue Gingrich resignation tape).

gm

October 28th, 2010
11:16 am

Newt is comming back to Georgia to support Deal:
This is like the bigot holding the racist hand.

Poor Georgia””

Jon

October 28th, 2010
11:21 am

Armey is just upset that he wasn’t invited.

skeptomaniac

October 28th, 2010
11:29 am

There are many famous politicians who were womanizers. This is something that guys can understand. You have to pay the consequences if you get caught. They have a lot of power and this attracts opportunities that many guys can’t resist. I am more concerned with back room deals that waste my tax money. I would take a Gingrich or Clinton over some holy roller who is preoccupied with their moral agenda forced on everyone else at the expense of efficient, small government.

The Two Party Problem

October 28th, 2010
11:39 am

The problem is we only have two parties to choose from and neither have any desire to do the right thing for their constituents, including:
Spending Less of OUR TAXPAYER MONEY
Questioning the value of terrible bills bc they’re Scratching the Other Guys Back

We need SMALLER GOVERNMENT
AN UNCORRUPT GEORGIA LEGISLATURE

As your Legislature to sign a bill that WILL FORCE Them to include trips, meals, gifts etc as Income

Deal Will WIN and WE HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS ROTTEN SQUIRREL

Travis McGee

October 28th, 2010
11:47 am

That picture of Bubba and Newt sitting around smoking cigars and talking about their pokes should just about bring to an end Gingrich’s presidential aspirations — if he had any.

Of course, you never know. Some would vote for a serial killer if he ran as a Republican.

Anyway that ol’ boy carries more baggage than Zsa Zsa and Paris Hilton put together. And, so it goes. . . .

Rafe Hollister

October 28th, 2010
11:55 am

Clinton and Gingrich are both reprobates, but what about the selective outrage. Clinton is campaigning all over the country for the people who endorsed Hillary and getting no bad press. Newtie comes home to campaign for the Shady Deal and it is news? Both parties need fumigating.

Travis McGee

October 28th, 2010
11:56 am

It sure is funny when you have a liar and a womanizer vouching for a liar and a thief and business flop!

Hot dang, these politicians are sure funny. You could put ‘em in a basket, shake it up and spill ‘em out and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference which one you put into office.

They’re all the same. And, when you vote all you’re doing is encouraging ‘em.

professional skeptic

October 28th, 2010
11:56 am

Extremely interesting:

When confronted with evidence of Republican Joe Miller’s lies and past misdeeds, Alaskans are now withdrawing their support of Miller.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/10/28/the-incredible-shrinking-joe-miller.aspx

Here in Georgia, however, when confronted with evidence of Republican Nathan Deal’s lies and misdeeds, support for Deal only grows stronger.

I’m beginning to think that Alaskans are made of sterner stuff than Georgians; that morality and honesty mean more to Alaskans than they mean to the people of Georgia.

Please, Georgia: Let’s follow the example set by Alaska. When a candidate has demonstrated that he is liar and a crook, we need to put principle over party and choose the better alternative. Alaskans know that they need to choose the best leader for Alaska – one who doesn’t lie to taxpayers or use his government position for self-enrichment.

Alaskans are saying NO to Joe Miller, now that they know what a liar he is. Alaskans are NOT just “holding their noses” and voting for Joe Miller anyway.

Do Georgians have the moral fortitude to say NO to Nathan Deal? For the sake of Georgia, I pray that we do.

Bring back "Babe Alley" to the Capitol!

October 28th, 2010
12:08 pm

The Two Party Problem

October 28th, 2010
11:39 am
“The problem is we only have two parties to choose from and neither have any desire to do the right thing for their constituents, including:
Spending Less of OUR TAXPAYER MONEY
Questioning the value of terrible bills bc they’re Scratching the Other Guys Back”
“We need SMALLER GOVERNMENT AND UNCORRUPT GEORGIA LEGISLATURE”
“As your Legislature to sign a bill that WILL FORCE Them to include trips, meals, gifts etc as Income”

One word: BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…….

Good luck with that, you ole’ “stick in the mud”!

older conservative

October 28th, 2010
12:17 pm

Interesting, Mr. Galloway, that this article is posted just before the one saying that Gingrich will be at a rally for Mr. Deal. Just coincidental, right?

bart

October 28th, 2010
12:20 pm

Professional skeptic, I agree with you 100%. However, many Georgians would vote foir Hitler if he ran as a Republican. In order to fight corruption, we need to be a viable 2 party state, or better yet, a state with a strong third party. But, unfortunately, that’s not going to happen. So…we will continure to have a corrupt legislature , Governor, Lt. Governor, and other statewide politicians because they know they can do anything and get away with it.

td

October 28th, 2010
12:34 pm

professional skeptic

October 28th, 2010
11:56 am

Slate is your source. Please. BTW: I just heard on MSNBC that there is no gender gap this year. Now that bodes well for the Dems.

“Do Georgians have the moral fortitude to say NO to Nathan Deal? For the sake of Georgia, I pray that we do”

And do what vote for, if not more than equally, corrupt Barnes? Why did Barnes not get a second term 8 years ago. Oh yea, he lied while in office, was caught at the lies, and beat by a guy he out spent 20 to 1.

Try again.

Bring back "Babe Alley" to the Capitol!

October 28th, 2010
12:37 pm

Sorry, y’all but I forgot to mention the PINK PONY and the PINK PONY SOUTH as they always take care of me whenever I visit their fine, fine establishment (which is quite often, actually). I’m so excited today that I’m gonna suggest to speaker Ralston that we hold legislative sessions there, too (though, unlike former Speaker Richardson, he’ll probably say “NO”, which he says to all of my suggestions). Inspite of “stiffs” now running the joint, in the next few weeks I”ll be holding my “Hot Female Statehouse Lobbyist Appreciation Night” at the PINK PONY. If you’re a HOT female lobbyist or if you’re just a hot female who likes men in powerful “positions”, drop on by as admission and drinks will be free for you all night long. This is a can’t miss as both Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich will be there and there will be a special appearance by former Statehouse Speaker Glenn Richardson.

Bill

October 28th, 2010
12:39 pm

td: He lost because he pushed through the flag change without a referendum (so the Goobers couldn’t vote it down) and he ticked off the teachers with education reform (accountability, ending tenure). That was it.

Travis McGee

October 28th, 2010
12:43 pm

Ol’ Dick Armey is sure presenting himself as a paragon of virture and honesty — may be even laying the foundation for a 2012 run if they can’t come up with anyone better than those lining up at the trough.

professional skeptic

October 28th, 2010
12:48 pm

td
October 28th, 2010
12:34 pm

It is clear that you have been charged with the task of rebutting every anti-deal comment posted at ajc.com.

I’ll help you out: I posted the same comment at Kyle Wingfield and Jay Bookman’s blogs, too.

Better hurry before your bosses at the Deal campaign think you’ve missed one of my comments!

Oh, and Slate cited Hayes Research Group for the poll data.

lex

October 28th, 2010
12:48 pm

Newt makes my skin crawl. Clinton too.
The only person I’m happy voting for is Carol Porter. She’s got more integrity than a boatload of these hornytoads, and no zipper problems, like Cagle.

Bring back "Babe Alley" to the Capitol!

October 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

I forgot, Tiger Woods will be there, too! I tried to invite Jesse James (Sandra Bullock’s ex-husband, not the train robber) to my party, but he said that the Pink Pony was way too classy of an environment for him, which is fine because I didn’t want him at my party anyways!

td

October 28th, 2010
12:52 pm

Bill

October 28th, 2010
12:39 pm
td: He lost because he pushed through the flag change without a referendum (so the Goobers couldn’t vote it down) and he ticked off the teachers with education reform (accountability, ending tenure). That was it

Also the northern arc. Why were these two groups so angry? Was it just because of the issues or was it because it was right before the 2004 election he went to them and promised he would not do what he did while he was in office? Is that called a lie? You do realize that being lied to about the flag issue is what finally made all the blue dogs in south GA. finally come with the rest of the conservative and join the Republican party. This is the reason all the Republicans running for state wide office this year will win.

Texas Pete

October 28th, 2010
12:53 pm

Since so many people think Barnes and Deal are scum, why not vote Monds?

mehlman rings twice

October 28th, 2010
12:54 pm

Travis McGee@11:47am
If Newt has any presidential aspirations he has to consider dumping his current wife. The women of this country will never vote to have a First Lady in the White House who slept with someone else’s husband.

td

October 28th, 2010
12:57 pm

professional skeptic

October 28th, 2010
12:48 pm
td
October 28th, 2010
12:34 pm

It is clear that you have been charged with the task of rebutting every anti-deal comment posted at ajc.com.

I’ll help you out: I posted the same comment at Kyle Wingfield and Jay Bookman’s blogs, too.

Better hurry before your bosses at the Deal campaign think you’ve missed one of my comments!

Oh, and Slate cited Hayes Research Group for the poll data.

I wish Deals campaign was paying me. Will you give me a good recommendation if I go and ask?

Fair and Balanced is the reason I am on here. I know I will never be able to turn most of you from the dark side to see the light. I am pretty sure I have gotten at least 25 undecideds to com to the light and not for for the libs this election cycle.

mehlman rings twice

October 28th, 2010
12:58 pm

td@12:52pm
Could it have been that Barnes realized that symbols of the state should not be used to insult a specific group of it’s citizens? My bet is that the hotel owners in this state pushed him to do it so that they would not lose convention income.

Bring back "Babe Alley" to the Capitol!

October 28th, 2010
1:00 pm

lex

October 28th, 2010
12:48 pm
“Newt makes my skin crawl. Clinton too.
The only person I’m happy voting for is Carol Porter. She’s got more integrity than a boatload of these hornytoads, and no zipper problems, like Cagle.”

Lex, as a hornytoad politician with a zipper problem, I personally take offense to that. What you said is an affront to hornytoad politicians with zipper problems everywhere! We can’t help that our zippers frequently jam up and get stuck in the down position. You should be a lot bit more sensitive to our plight

The Centrist

October 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

td. Didn’t we have this discussion about Newt and Bill yesterday? As for Dick Armey: (1) “Honey, I had no idea about this. ” Bull, Dick was a 20-year career DC politician and while he was throwing rocks, he knew darn well about Newt, Bob Barr, and Bob Livingston too.” Just who replaced Bob “I’ve got too many skeletons in my closet” Livingston? David Vitter!!! Smoke and Mirrors folks, Smoke and Mirrors.

Bill

October 28th, 2010
1:10 pm

Td: Actually it was Sonny Perdue who promidsed a referendum on the flag if elected. He lied.

Bill

October 28th, 2010
1:13 pm

Bill

October 28th, 2010
1:16 pm

One clarification: Perdue later finessed it. There was a referendum in 2004 but the old battle flag was not included.

Last Man Standing

October 28th, 2010
1:21 pm

gn:

“Newt is comming back to Georgia to support Deal: This is like the bigot holding the racist hand.”

If you ever post anything that doesn’t infer racism or bigotry (if not using those words specifically), I will be astounded. What is it like to view the world through your eyes? Are you capable of seeing anything that isn’t tinged with racism or bigotry? I am sincere when I say to you that I feel pity for you.

Bill

October 28th, 2010
1:35 pm

Taking racism and bigotry out of it for a moment: Lecher holding the thief’s hand?

Left in the South

October 28th, 2010
1:59 pm

Armey may not be a womanizer but he is cut from the same cloth as Tom Delay

ncgreybr

October 28th, 2010
2:18 pm

What I love is how Armey is portraying himself as an outsider in Washington. HE IS ONE OF THE ONES WHO CREATED THE MESS WE’RE IN! It’s always “They” that did the wrong thing, never him.

Big Dude

October 28th, 2010
2:29 pm

” Strange bedfellows”…What else did they ’share’???

Liberal/Conservative

October 28th, 2010
2:32 pm

I don’t care how corrupt, immoral, two-faced and dishonest Newt is. He’s still de man! Go Newt! Sic ‘em! Woof, woof, woof.

The Two Party Problem

October 28th, 2010
2:42 pm

@Bring back “Babe Alley” to the Capitol!

You crack me UP. Making POLITICIANS REPORT additional income in the way of trips, upgrades, meals and gifts is COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. Do you work for some corporation where you’re skimming off of shareholders by taking a luxury room at your hotels and eating 5star meals?

However, I do think that your comments on Newt and Clinton and the like are fantastic. If we were more like France, the approval ratings for these men would both go through the roof.

OH, and btw, I happen to be a beautiful mid 30s woman. Read it and weep!

td

October 28th, 2010
2:43 pm

mehlman rings twice

October 28th, 2010
12:58 pm
td@12:52pm
Could it have been that Barnes realized that symbols of the state should not be used to insult a specific group of it’s citizens? My bet is that the hotel owners in this state pushed him to do it so that they would not lose convention income.

My point is even if he thought what you were saying, he went to them and said there is no way he was going to do anything with the flag. Why did he just not go to the meeting or do what most politicians do and say nothing? He needed their votes to get elected so he went out and deliberately told them a lie. Same story with the teachers. The teachers are probably the main reason he did not get reelected and are probably the main reason he is not polling over 40% now. I know several die hard democratic teachers that have told me that they will not vote for Barnes if he promised them a million dollars. They have said they went a voted for Deal and the rest democrats (and some of them are African Americans).

This in and by itself proves that Barnes has as big a ethical challenges as Deal, so the argument about Deal is not being received by but a handful of voters (mostly Dems that were going to vote for Barnes anyway).

Z

October 28th, 2010
2:49 pm

Anyone believing what comes out of Dick Army’s mouth, has to be truly delusional, or a clueless Fruitcake Tea Party nut.

The Centrist

October 28th, 2010
3:49 pm

Liberal/Conservative…Although Newt acted like a human Dog (woof, woof), he actually was a Lion, Eagle, Green Wave, and taught Wolves and Owls.

Ann

October 28th, 2010
7:15 pm

I can’t stand Dick A he need to go blow his nose or stick it up Sarah P a–.Both are just alike big mouth and blow hards.The Republican are awful will do and say anything.Just look what they did to the lady step on her head and shoulder.I hope they go to JAIL.

Alabama Communist

October 28th, 2010
11:33 pm

Armey: When I heard that Newt had been carrying on an affair for all the years that we’d worked together, I went home and said, “Honey, I had no idea about this.” She said, “Of course not. You’re the last person in town Newt would have wanted to know about this.” Newt was scared of me. * Interview

No doubt Dick, you would have been the last person to know about his visits to Gay bars in New Jersey before the impeachment trial and mostly been scared to death of him when you visited the Congressional Restrooms

Just a taxpayer

October 29th, 2010
7:41 am

So, according to the article, Gingrey stated it wasn’t true, not Gingrich. A typo?

Law-yer

October 29th, 2010
8:24 am

Nearly 30,000 women joined the Facebook Group Women Against Deal: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Women-Against-Deal/122229711168536