Hem and huff over hammers and sickles in the 7th District

Over the past two mornings, Tim Bryant of WGAU (1340AM) in Athens has hosted the two GOP runoff candidates in the 7th District congressional contest – Rob Woodall, the former chief of staff to retiring John Linder, and Jody Hice, who is also in the talk radio business.

The “Had enough of Obama’s change?” billboards placed by Hice in the district, prominently spelling the word “change” with a hammer-and-sickle, were a natural topic.

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Bryant asked each candidate if he thought the communist symbolism was over the top. Said Hice on Wednesday:

7th District GOP candidate Jody Hice

7th District GOP candidate Jody Hice

“I make no bones about it. I respect the office of the president, but I make no bones about it – I do not respect the policies of this president, which are socialistic.

“We are watching this administration take over the health care industry, the banking industry, the student loan industry, the insurance industry, automobile — one part of the private sector after another.”

But Woodall was of another opinion, and gently implied that Hice himself was dabbling in a little Leninism:

“It’s one of those sad things that happen when folks start to believe the end justifies the means.

7th District GOP candidate Rob Woodall

7th District GOP candidate Rob Woodall

“I know that Jody’s a good man. I know his heart’s in the right place. And kicking sand like that is exactly the way to get elected in a Republican primary. I’m sure he had someone give him some very good advice….

“But the truth is that’s not how you get good policy passed in Washington. Kicking sand only gets you through the primary.
It doesn’t help you implement good policy for the country.

“So do I think that was a clever electoral ploy? Absolutely. I think he got out of it exactly what he wanted to get out of it. Do I think that’s going to hurt him, in terms of being taken seriously in the halls of Congress? Absolutely, I do.”

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Disavantaged Insider

July 29th, 2010
6:14 pm

Make no bones about it — Jody is an idiot — a “useful idiot” as Lenin would say — but not useful to Georgia. I agree with Newt: Obama is not evil…he’s just wrong. He is a Liberal with a capital “L” but that doesn’t make him a communist, and the communist emblem is the one you used Jody, even though you say you don’t like his “socialist policies.” And if going so far down in the gutter gets Grice elected, then may God help us even more than he needs to right now.

Just Peachy

July 29th, 2010
6:15 pm

Rob couldn’t have said it better! Man on man, I’m conservative myself but I don’t in anyway pretend to think Jody Hice could work across the aisle to get work done. I’m afraid he’d just offend everyone in congress. I need someone to go that can talk reason and actually have a conversation with the other side of the aisle. My support has been and remains with Woodall

Just Peachy

July 29th, 2010
6:28 pm

should have proofed before hitting submit… but you get the idea Hice will NEVER be able to work with anyone from the other party and a good portion of his own party.

Nick

July 29th, 2010
6:33 pm

Mr. Woodall you have the respect of this Obama supporter.

jconservative

July 29th, 2010
6:35 pm

Wonder where Jody Hice has been for the past 75 years. He is worried about socialism and he was born & raised in a socialist country. Every president but Ford & Carter have added more socialism to the Great American Social Welfare State. And Hice just noticed? Wow!

Dirty Dawg

July 29th, 2010
6:50 pm

Let’s see now. The Administration has had to wade in to save a failed, or failing banking industry…a health-care ‘industry’ that was, and is, failing Americans everywhere…a student loan industry that has been gouging families of students and students themselves for decades…saved the American automobile industry…and in none of the above have they ‘taken them over’, just tried to bring some sanity to the greed…and you call that Socialism? Of course that label plays well with Conservatives and many, if not most, Georgia voters. But the truth is the policies of the Republicans, particularly over the past eight years, have been disastrous to everybody but the most well off and it can’t continue.

Independent

July 29th, 2010
6:54 pm

I hope voters will tell Hice to take his online degree and his ignorance of real socialism and go away.

lmno

July 29th, 2010
7:15 pm

Never underestimate the stupidy of the masses. I say that Hammer and Sickle will win “Jody” the election. However, the fact that his name is Jody will hurt him. Let’s face it, a lot of people base their vote on name alone and Jody versus Rob isn’t a good match up.

JL

July 29th, 2010
7:20 pm

Are there any Republicans that own a dictionary?
There are those that wish American auto companies had locked it’s doors but were they ready for the consequences of putting two million out of jobs. What would that have cost in unemployment benefits. The two million number is the number arrived at because of all the companies that supply them.
There are those that disagree with the health care plan. Health Care is not a right. Sorry it’s already a right. If you are ill, emergency rooms have to treat you. We all pay for that care. If you don’t like that law and would prefer them on the street, write your representative to repeal the law.
Before the name calling though read a history book, economic book or at least use the dictionary.

LWilson

July 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

Ever been down to Georgia Public Broadcasting? In one room I know of the decor is communist symbols, etc. I guess it’s okay to use the symbols of communism in a positive way but not to show the destruction of our own country. Jody, you are what we need and your point is as it should be. Wake up Zombies!

Independent Voter

July 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

I don’t think “socialistic” is really a word.

rufus

July 29th, 2010
8:06 pm

LWilson, you are one funny guy…dude you crack me up! Not since the days of Monty Python have I witnessed such razor sharp wit. “decor is communist symbols, etc.” You are indeed a national treasure.

Jim Nichols

July 29th, 2010
8:21 pm

My political theory professors are slapping their heads in disbelief right now.

I wonder where Hice stands on the pre-marx split Feuerbach made from Hegel? As i’m still trying to figure out that one myself (I mean does anyone understand Hegel?) Would love to learn more from Hice on Obama Socialism [of the center right variety]…

Cee-lo

July 29th, 2010
8:29 pm

Obama has ’socialistic’ policies, yet Medicare Part D, the Patriot Act, and going to war in Iraq (doesn’t the Constitution say something about a Declaration of War being issued by congress) are purely democratic policies? Republicans are retards if they elect this guy.

P.S.- Bush and a whole lot of republicans currently in congress were in favor of TARP.

Someone else

July 29th, 2010
8:33 pm

Its only socialism if the Democrats do it.

Doug Henwood

July 29th, 2010
8:53 pm

Hmm, how about that military? Total welfare state for members, generous child care, education allowances – and affirmative action. If that sort of thing is good enough for the folks in uniform, why not the rest of us?

Truth Speaker

July 29th, 2010
8:54 pm

Hice is a moron.

Since when is passing consumer protection legislation socialistic?

Steve

July 29th, 2010
8:56 pm

It’s pretty hilarious that Rob is trying to take “the high road” now. He’s got his Freedom Forums all over the district about ’saving America from socialism’ – but he can’t help but do a little back tracking and show that nice soft spot in his spine. Thanks, Rob, for showing me exactly why I won’t be voting for you.

Travis McGee

July 29th, 2010
9:05 pm

I’d like to express my appreciation to Dirty Dog and others who responded in a rational and intelligent way to the actions of this radical panderer.

And, so it goes. . . .

BehindEnemyLines

July 29th, 2010
9:27 pm

Woodall sounds quite willing to appease the enemy & play go along to get along. Not sure Hice is the right guy but after reading Woodall’s comments I’m almost certain he’s the wrong one.

Red

July 29th, 2010
9:32 pm

Kicking sand doesn’t work? Hey Rob. Will another decade working on the Fair Tax finally get a majority? I mean after 10 years and we’re still not in the triple digits on sponsors of the only issue you know anything about? I think we’re talking pot calling kettle black for going after Hice on this one. I guess handpicked, elitist, chosen out of state successors do a much better job as well?

How are those DC insider contributions coming Rob? Looking at the report, you know the FEC report you were critical of Jody on? I’m looking at how much DC and special interest contributions you have coming in.

Sorry Rob. DC insiders like you are the reason DC is in the shape its in. DC insiders like you have been “working across the aisle” for entirely too long. People who are just a little TOO familiar with the process on “how DC works” are the reason special interests rule the day. I am much for someone who has local values actually from the district than a guy whose career and living arrangements has been DC. Keep your smirks, fake good old boy charm, and your “I’m sure Jody is a nice guy” platitudes. You’re fake charm may get you tickets to a Skins game bbut it does not work on people who are actually suffering because of wrapped up in special interest crooks like you.

Smarmmy

July 29th, 2010
9:39 pm

Peachy….the go along to get along types are why we have the crises in this country. Working across the aisle has done so well over the years. And Rob’s done a stupendous job up to this point. If I were Linder, I’d begin wondering if Rob is taking credit for everything I did. The debate was a classic example. You’d think Linder was a sock puppet and Rob was the one telling John Cratchety what to do. Rob singlehandedly did this…and that…and this…and that. And the Fair Tax people have to wonder if all the work they’ve put in was for naught because Rob did it all…or are they just puppets to Rob’s masterfully controlling grasp?

Patriot

July 29th, 2010
10:16 pm

Red….you said it sooo right! I’m sick of Washington and 90% of anything associated with Washington. All Washington wants is our money to spend on their special interests. Rob is from Dekalb…nope I meant Washington…call it what you want I’m not fooled.

Jasmine

July 29th, 2010
10:21 pm

Woodall is 40+ years old, never been married, knows little about family values, didn’t even live in the district, has inside DC money all over his campaign – is this the guy we want representing us??????? Jody Hice is a God fearing, law breaking (speaking from the pulpit and endorsing a candidate), not caring (putting the tax-free status of his church at risk and potentially screwing all the people of the church), Obama hating, televangelist that was kicked out of his own church……..How is our choice looking???????Where is Clay Cox???

Red

July 29th, 2010
10:40 pm

Jasmine – fact check for you. law breaking? Check the Constitution. Where does it say a person gives up freedom of speech just because he stands behind a podium? Not caring? He led a movement of many other churches VOLUNTARILY choosing to ignore the IRS and honor the Constitution. Frankly we need more people willing to actually stand up for the Constitution instead of special interests, people willing to challenge laws which are clearly wrong, people willing to put power back into the hands of the people.

I’m frankly tired of DC elites, you know the ones WE elect, telling us what we can and cannot do. And frankly I’m tired of the arrogance of people like Woodall telling me what is good for me and that some DC insider status is best for deciding what is good for the district. And if I had a dollar for every time Rob says Jody’s a nice guy and his heart is in the right place, I’d be a millionaire. Saying the same thing over and over does not make it right. Rob, you are a career DC politico. Your job was to meet and arrange deals with special interests. Your own FEC report identifies who you have more ties to. Most of the contributions you get are from outside the district, the state, and through government affairs, and special interests in DC. You crack Jody for investing his own money in his campaign. I ask you this…who is investing in yours? The answer is telling to say the least.

Jasmine

July 29th, 2010
10:50 pm

Red
You make some great points on Woodall.
Fact check on Jody – he, in fact, broke the law – you and he may not like the law – but a law none the less. That begs the question – “Which laws will Jody choose to follow in DC? Will he selectively follow the laws of the body he purports to join? It is a slippery slope!!!!! Then to his mail-order degree………..the Reverend Doctor – sounds like Jesse Jackson…………

I’m tired of “DC elites” too. Lets get a quality person in there!!!!!

[...] Tim Bryant of WGUA in Athens interviewed both Hice and Woodall this week and the subject of the billboard came up. As you might imagine Hice and Woodall disagree about the appropriateness of the hammer and sickle (hat tip: Political Insider) [...]

IggyDad

July 29th, 2010
11:18 pm

Sure, nominate this silly fool Hice. It doesn’t hurt to have another loony GOP flagbearer. They are going to have about 60 loyal supporters in a few years.

Pete

July 29th, 2010
11:41 pm

The hammer and sickle, used by this candidate as his own, was never a symbol of socialism, but of communism, which is different, and stood for a dictatorship, under which anyone had to be prepared to produce their proper papers or risk jail, in which travel was restricted, train stations were watched for unauthorized travelers, in which there was no protection against wiretap or search and seizure. Hice is waving a flag he does not understand, and apparently applying for a job he is not qualified for. Obama’s change has been weak, because at every step of the way he is having to compromise with ignorant men like Hice, who have no understanding of liberty and history.

kevin

July 29th, 2010
11:48 pm

vote woodall and get exactly what obama is shoving down your throats!!!! hes a moron running on the fair tax tactic that he well knows will never happen ..hes a part of the agenda and you moronic idiots need to wake up. socialism is here and rob is part of it

Joe Christmas

July 29th, 2010
11:48 pm

Rob Woodall looks like hes going to be a heck of a good Congressman.

Dinosaur

July 29th, 2010
11:50 pm

paging chuck efstration…

kevin

July 29th, 2010
11:52 pm

Jasmine exactly what law did jodt break? recite it to me or can you?

Citizen Cain

July 30th, 2010
12:00 am

I live in the 7th district. This week one of the Hice mob placed, without permission, one of his campaign signs on my private property. Now, how can this godly man purport to make laws that govern the rest of us when he violates the law himself? And, BTW, his 10 commandment crusade cost Barrow county a $100,000 fine handed down from the federal court when his bible-thumping myrmidons lost their case.

agnes

July 30th, 2010
12:29 am

Great. The Republican choices are a red baiting nincompoop and a Washington insider wimp who isn’t really from our district. That’s the best they can do? You know there’s another candidate in this race who is a moderate, intelligent voice of reason with proven leadership skills and positive community involvement. His name is Doug Heckman. You can’t call an Iraq & Afghanistan combat veteran a wimp or a socialist/communist. And he actually lives in our district!

patty

July 30th, 2010
12:36 am

Jasmine, Get your facts straight! What Jody did from the pulpit was not unconstitutional. The IRS backed down because they had no ground to stand on. The church did not loose their tax exemption. Go figure why! Jody and 32 other ministers took a bold stand against government intimidaters instead of rolling over and giving in like so many polititians have done over the past couple of decades. Yes, it was a risk, but do we just give in everytime our liberties are threatened? Jody’s church was behind him! I am not a member of his church, but live in the area, know the people and attended his church that Sunday. His church was proud of and appreciated his bold stand. As for Clay Cox, you ask where is he. He was put out of the race by the voters. You might check him out a little more. We need new faces in Washington. As far as being able to work in Washington, how successful and fast have you seen the fair tax move thru? When have you seen the democrats reach across the isle and listen to anything the republicans have said lately? Many people are tired of the usual Washington games and trading favors for favors, hiding earmarks in bills and costing tax payers money that we don’t have. Just because Jody is a former minister and christian doesn’t make him less smart. He is very knowledgable about the constitution and government. We need people who are bold and stand for what is right. The lack of that is why this country is in the shape it is in.

PatriotPat

July 30th, 2010
12:46 am

Just a short comment or two for all of you arm chair politicians, liberal Socialists, Marxists, Leninists, Taoists, Porgressives and worse. These are not political games were playing here folks. What hangs in the balance is the “soul” of this once great nation, literally! You guys are are a large part of the problem in this Republic. You have been brain washed by your Socialist professors. You refuse to dig for the pure history of this nation while leaning on your revisionsist history which has become so polluted by your Socialist professors you seem to love so much. The comments, statements and stances that Jody Hice has made publicly can and are backed up with truth and pure history. The truth hurts. I believe that Rob Woodall, by his comments and baseless aspersions toward Jody Hice, has exposed his true nature which is same old smoke and mirrors, Washington Insider ideology. I have heard Rob try to answer questions concerning his faith, his stance on abortion and other issues with flowery political jargon without truly answering any of the questions posed. I also understand that he really has no problem with “ear marks”. This is just the type of garbage that needs to be kicked to the curb on the streets of Washington. It has shown this voter that a professional or more correctly “career” politician will twist and turn everything he can to cling to the pay check afforded him by the U.S. citizen. We will no longer pay the bill for this type of service. No more “kept politicians”. If we keep electing the same kind of people season after season to represent us we will keep getting the same old “corruption” we see being played out today in the House Of Representatives. Jody Hice is just the type of person we need to represent us; A God fearing, Strict Constitutionalist who has nothing to lose but his country, family, community and church. He is not running as a careeer politician. He is a true Churchman & Statesman and seeks only to serve for a season. I insist that Rob Woodall (and the rest of you arm chair politicians & Progressives) repent of your slick, drippy sweet attacks on Jody Hice, strip off the venere and get real with the people. Answer a question straight up and stop all of the political pandering and dancing around the issues.
Q.Why doth the heathen rage? Because the truth exposes evil for what it is. And evil is what is prevailing in this country, but only for a season. Rage on dear heathen for the TRUTH will set you free!

patty

July 30th, 2010
12:54 am

Citizen Cain, I live in Barrow County. If someone put a Hice sign in your yard, without permission, we apologize. I don’t think Jody told them to put it there. Just before the primary, we had all kinds of Hice signs stolen and removed from places where other political signs were left, all kinds of signs of other candidates put on privite property. without permission. I don’t think that Rob Woodall and Clay Cox were out doing this. Unfortunately, this has gone on in every election; supporters of different candidates do this from time to time. Yes, it is frustrating. I am a volunteer for Jody Hice and I have seen many Hice signs stolen from supporters yards. I don’t think that we can blame the candidates themselves.
About the Ten Commandments case with the ACLU, Jody helped raise over $300,000 to fight against the ACLU. Barrow County loves and appreciates Jody Hice, and as you know the good guys don’t always win,but they have the guts to stand up for what is right, and they will win in the end!

Hice_Supporter

July 30th, 2010
1:02 am

To know Jody personally is to attest to who he is accurately. Every negative posting in this thread represents a person who knows nothing about him and would rather make outrageous comments then find out the real facts. If you did know him, you would know that he is the guy we need in Congress. Rob Woodall has been living in DC for over 10 years and only recently made himself a legal resident in District 7 so that he could run for this post. If you think he cares about the locals in his district I think you will be disappointed.

Jody is not a televangelist and was not kicked out of his church. He continues to care deeply about the church and its people and has had a massive amount of support for the past 12 years in the decisions he has made. His education was also top notch and he will do in Congress what he says he will do.

He proved he has what it takes in this election and I think smart voters will reward him with their vote on August 10th. I know he has my vote.

Citizen Cane – Do you not have something more intelligent to contribute then the unfortunate misplacement of a sign in your yard. I am sure it was an oversight by a volunteer. I can’t answer to the cost of the legal fight in Barrow County, but I do know that Jody helped raise $300,000 to cover those costs. In any case, $100,000 is nothing compared to the cost to this nation if the ACLU had won. Taking the 10 Commandments out of Barrow County would have been a precedent we would not have wanted to set.

Candidate Watchdog

July 30th, 2010
3:13 am

Hice says, “the hammer and sickle represent the socialist policies of Obama.” Evidently he did not learn the difference between socialism and communism while getting his online degree. The hammer and sickle was a COMMUNIST symbol.

Clearly just a media ploy – These types of candidates never accomplish anything if elected. They spend their time trying to earn media with the next big media ploy.

Give me a serious candidate like Woodall who actually knows the issues and is not in this race just to see how many times he can get in the news.

Larry

July 30th, 2010
3:28 am

Barrow did NOT lose the Ten Commandments case – it never went to trial. Think back. The ACLJ originally represented Barrow for free. Hice talked them into dumping the ACLJ and hiring Herb Titus. Hice started his fundraising because the BOC balked at giving up the ACLJ’s free representation to pay Titus. The trial was cancelled because, only days before it was to start, Titus gave in to the ACLU on every point plus handed them $150,000 for their trouble. After the attorney that Hice convinced Barrow to use simply gave the ranch away, Hice reneged on his promise to cover the costs. It was because of Hice that Barrow taxpayers never had their day in court and still ended up getting stuck with a bill. Better yet – since his lawyer never took the case to trial, what happened to the $300,000 that Hice raised for the big court battle that never happened?

BoDiddley

July 30th, 2010
4:21 am

Anybody besides me notice that this Tim Bryant guy is doing some pretty good political reporting?

Teddy

July 30th, 2010
7:26 am

Rob Woodall did not live in our district before he announced he is just another corrupt Washington insider. There are LOTS of things I DON’T like about Hice but I’ll vote for him. We need change in Washington not more of the same like Woodall.

Bill Orvis White

July 30th, 2010
7:50 am

Sorry, but Jody is right. I disagree with him that he ought to respect this intalled “leader” because the ideas are detrimental to the once-free nation’s future.

Jody’s billboard is a sign of the times and is accurate. There’s nothing wrong with that and anyone who disagrees with it has his head in the sand.

I respect a man who is going out there and is waking up the district and ultimately, the country, that Hussein Obama is implementing policies that benefit him and his far-left liberal cronies on the coasts, in the liberal media, the green movement and Hollyweird. Hussein doesn’t understand the concerns of Real America-the people who make this country work.

We need to return to the concepts that made this country great. I for one know that the Honorable Jody Hice is just the man to do it. I’m sending my check in today.

Amen,
Bill

Roy Barnes for Gov

July 30th, 2010
7:52 am

This why I am supporting Barnes, look another republicans running against Prez Obama what do Prez got to do with district 7.. Vote for Roy Barnes

Debbie Dooley

July 30th, 2010
7:54 am

I support Jody Hice. I want a Congressman that is not a Washington insider and GOP establishment candidate and that is not afraid to make the left angry. I want a Congressman that will take the fight to the socialists/communists. I want a Congressman that will say no to earmarks. I want a Congressman that will challenge the status quo. Tom Price has been very effective and he has frequently challenged the leftists and is not afraid to step on toes. He has also not requested an earmark in four years.

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
8:04 am

Unbelievable. Sixty years on and this travesty called the Republican Party has barely moved past having Joseph McCarthy as their most revered hero, spiritual leader and icon of “intellectual” thought.

What a sad indictment, that the Once Grand Old Party can do nothing more than play to the bigoted and lowest common denominator. And why outside of Dixie they are roundly derided.

Stuck on stupid.

Bill Orvis White

July 30th, 2010
8:20 am

@AmVet

First off, thank you for serving your country, but you’re betraying yourself by writing such inaccurate stuff on this board.

The Grand Old Tea Party is in the mode to take back this once-free nation. The new GOP will unshackle us from the constraints of unfunded mandates, illegal Obamacare and replace these socialistic concepts with free market principles — the very principles that made America number one years before the left took control in the 1960s.

Before the 1960s, we were a country that the world respected. That’s no longer because we let our schools crumble when God and discipline were thrown out only to be replaced by a foul culture that celebrates “personal freedom” such as abortion and unlimited debauchery.

The Red Chinese, Indians and Saudis are 1,2 and 3 respectively because they have order and a dedication to hard work. Now, I don’t like that the Chinese outlaw God — it makes me sick, but they’re kicking our butts because they cut corners.

Amen,
Bill

J. Davis

July 30th, 2010
8:25 am

Hey AmVet, Joseph McCarthy was right, so is Jody Hice. I don’t live in that district so I’m not prepared to say who I would vote for if I did live there. I think Hice and Woodall are good men and either one would be a good Congressman, better than 90% of those already there. By the way AmVet, I’m am AmVet too, 20 years, 2 of which were in Vietnam.

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
8:30 am

Bill, thanks for the reasoned response.

“The new GOP will unshackle us from the constraints of unfunded mandates, illegal Obamacare and replace these socialistic concepts with free market principles — the very principles that made America number one years before the left took control in the 1960s.”

The new GOP? To quote Pete Townshend, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The new GOP has been utterly scandal ridden, corrupt, deadly and inept. And the little men who “lead” it have sold the American people down the river. At least those of us who make less than $2million/year. As have the Republican-lites “across the aisle”. Otherwise where is this record of stellar accomplishments on behalf of we the people.

We live in ade facto and de jure plutocracy now.

And I contend that you are gravely mistaken in thinking their is a gnat’s ___ difference between the Tweedledee and Tweedledum Parties.

90% of Americans think this country is in decline.

82% believe that corporations have too much power over too many aspects of our lives.

70%+ feel the two major political parties are failing them.

!s that last point even arguable?

That you see some sudden, new redemption in this “new” GOP must be wonderful. But being a realist, I doubt I will share in your epiphany…