Southern Baptists, Obama and illegal immigration
A Customs and Border Patrol agent patrols along the international border in Nogales, Ariz. AP
For the next 13 days, all stops are off when it comes to debating the issue of illegal immigration.
The Obama administration’s court challenge to the Arizona law that gives its peace officers the authority to stop and impound undocumented residents is already serving as a stick to a wasp nest in Georgia’s race for governor.
Former congressman Nathan Deal’s first TV ad of the primary season on Wednesday focused on illegal immigration and a promise that Georgia would soon have an Arizona-style law.
On the answering machines of tens of thousands of GOP voters, former secretary of state Karen Handel left a message of endorsement from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer. Expect to see Brewer at Handel’s side before the July 20 vote.
The climate doesn’t brook dissent. Democrats have been uniformly silent on the Arizona issue.
So it comes as something of a surprise to learn that one of the most prominent voices pushing a bipartisan deal on immigration — and urging more cautious rhetoric when discussing it — belongs to an institution of the solid Southern right.
Richard Land is president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s public policy arm, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. It is through his Nashville offices that the nation’s largest Protestant denomination engages Washington on topics such as abortion and embryonic stem cell research. The SBC is against both.
But last week, when President Barack Obama gave his speech demanding action on immigration reform, Land was among those invited to sit in the audience. Because he had been among a group of conservative evangelical leaders who asked Obama to deliver it.
“I met with the president’s people about 10 days prior to that and urged them — for him to give a major speech on the issue,” Land said Sunday, after he’d delivered three sermons in Flowery Branch. “I said, ‘He needs to give a speech like the race speech he gave —which makes it clear that he understands both sides.’”
Afterwards, Land praised the president’s speech as a good start, likening it to an “initial proposal” of marriage.
“We need to call upon our congressmen and senators to behave like statesmen. Politicians think about the next election. Statesmen think about the next generation,” Land said.
And the Arizona law? “To me, it’s a symptom. It’s a cry for help from a state that feels the federal government has let it down and is not doing its job,” he said.
Land and his Baptist brethren were among those who supported the Ted Kennedy-John McCain compromise on immigration reform that exploded in 2007, damaging every Republican close to it — including U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson.
Land’s position remains much the same. Among active Southern Baptists, he said, “there’s clearly a consensus behind comprehensive immigration reform that secures the border first — and then lays out a compassionate, just pathway to earning citizenship or legal status.”
Obtaining that legal status would take about 10 years. “That’s not amnesty. What Jimmy Carter gave those who avoided service during the Vietnam war — that’s amnesty,” Land said.
While on the stump, in search of applause, it has become common for politicians to boast that they would load every illegal immigrant onto a yellow bus pointed for the Mexican border.
Land says the forced deportation of millions of people crosses another border — one that separates the humane from the inhumane. The punishment doesn’t suit the crime.
“We bear some responsibility for the fact that we haven’t enforced our own laws for the last 24 years,” he said. “And we’ve had these two conflicting signs up at the border — ‘No trespassing’ and ‘Help wanted.’”
Neither Obama nor Land is likely to get his way. With November at stake, the prospect of Democrats and Republicans tackling anything as volatile as immigration reform is beyond the politics of the possible.
Yet Land and like-minded Southern Baptists are significant on two counts. First, they provide a moral measuring stick that is often missing in red-meat politics.
Southern Baptists have also, in the past, served as a harbinger of the Republican party’s future. The denomination’s purging of moderates in the ’80s and ’90s served as a warm-up for a similar fight for conservative purity in the GOP that continues today.
Land says he’s been told that the Southern Baptist position on immigration threatens to shatter the conservative coalition that powers the Republican party.
“It may split the old one,” Land said. “It won’t split new one. If the conservative coalition is going to be a governing coalition, it’s going to have to include a majority of Hispanics. And you don’t get a majority of Hispanics by engaging in anti-Hispanic immigration rhetoric.”
There’s also the bothersome matter of history. The public policy chief noted that Southern Baptists ignored interior voices who urged the denomination to support African-Americans and the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s.
Had Baptists listened, he said, “we wouldn’t have had to have gone back and apologize to them.
“And I don’t want to come back here 15 years from now and apologize to Hispanics. It’s a kingdom issue,” Land said.
For instant updates, follow me on Twitter, or connect with me on Facebook.
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
85 comments Add your comment
Pork Chop
July 8th, 2010
8:35 am
I am way past being sick of hearing the term “undocumented” to describe criminals. Call them what they are: “illegal aliens” who have violated our immigration laws and, and in many cases, placed themselves front and center at the public trough. Some receive Social Security benefits (including health care) and many receive food stamps. All the while, they protest and make demands on their host – the U.S. taxpayer. I defy anyone to show me a nation which has long existed when they failed to control their borders. The crime rate reflected by these illegal aliens should speak for itself.
Red
July 8th, 2010
8:57 am
Still no comments on punishing the Americans who hire illegals or somehow benefit from illegal activity. Amazing how this issue is so one-sided. If you truly are principled about the rule of law, line up all of those Americans aiding and abetting this activity.
jconservative
July 8th, 2010
9:05 am
A couple of thoughts on the issue.
Two really remarkedly true statements from Land at SBC:
1) “We need to call upon our congressmen and senators to behave like statesmen. Politicians think about the next election. Statesmen think about the next generation,”
2) “And we’ve had these two conflicting signs up at the border — ‘No trespassing’ and ‘Help wanted.’”
Re the Arizona law.
Question: What will Arizona do with the illegals it rounds up under the new law?
Answer: Turn them over to the Feds.
Question: What will the Feds do with them?
Answer: Turn them loose, if they are not criminals.
This is why the Arizona law is a “pie in the sky” law. It is good politics but lousy law.
Port O'John
July 8th, 2010
9:07 am
We should amend the inscription on the Statue of Liberty to read:
“Give us your retired living on generous pensions, your wealthy, your white anglo-saxon protestants….”
After all the statue came from the French and we all know they can’t get anything right.
chefdavid
July 8th, 2010
9:17 am
meanwhile in TN they are getting along.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/jul/08/candidates-criticize-challenge-arizona-immigration/?politicssate
lem
July 8th, 2010
9:18 am
All you goobers who want GA to enact an Arizona style law…we cannot afford the lawsuits. Our economy is in the tank as it is. Let’s wait and see what happens to the Arizona law. Let them pay for the lawsuits and risk the economic repercussions. And as for the Southern Baptists and other right wing Christians, you are about as far from the teachings of Jesus Christ as you can possibly be.
Manuel
July 8th, 2010
9:24 am
I remember my Grandfather once telling me never to trust a Priest or Politician because those two professions were wholly responsible for 99% of all wars and human misery.. Land is an example of those the DOJ should be going after. Maybe if Holder weren’t so busy trying to figure out how to selectively apply the laws of this Nation, he would be doing just that and his job. I don’t believe that anyone should pay attention to the laws of this nation when President Obama and Eric Holder only respect those laws that serve their purpose and ignore all others. This President has a lot of nerve insinuating that all who disagree with his policies are racists, when he is showing himself to be one of the biggest racists in the history of Presidents. I.e., dismissing charges of voter intimidation against two very hateful and racist members of the new Black Panthers. I would bet a year’s wages that if those doing the intimidation had wore white sheets, they’d be beaten to a pulp & awaiting dozens of local, state, and Federal charges by now. Eric Holder & Barrack Obama are just plain wrong on this issue. Likewise, Suing Arizona for doing exactly what he swore and oath to do which is to protect the citizens of this Nation at all cost is the stuff that the last Civil War between the states was made of. Maybe that’s exactly what Obama & his Cronies want. Just how long can this nation, or any nation for that matter, survive or protect the quality of life for its citizens without effective immigration controls? And just what does Obama and AJ Holder think this sort of Racism will buy them, or anyone trying to live in peace here in the long run? Racism, Hate, and Contempt have proven only to create even more Racism, Hate, and Contempt from those discriminated against towards the groups doing the discriminating.
deegee
July 8th, 2010
9:26 am
HAHAHAHA, Chuy Dawg. I have personal experience with a restaurant that opened a couple of years ago with a largely hispanic(illegal) staff. The owner got spooked and slowly fired the hispanics. He replaced them with anglos. Over time the low-skilled anglos proved themselves to be what most low-skilled anglos are. The owner has had problems with theft, drugs, poor job performance, unexcused absences and high turnover. The restaurant is now pretty much half hispanic and half anglo.
If you support small business then you should support immigration reform. Small business owners are your neighbors, friends, church members, etc. They aren’t criminals. Small business owners should be able to LEGALLY hire the best person for the job.
free man
July 8th, 2010
9:37 am
I stopped reading when the words “baptist” and “moral measuring stick” were used in the same sentence.
Organized religion of all “faiths” has in total caused more human suffering in this world than it has prevented. Zealots are dangerous no matter the form.
casual observer
July 8th, 2010
9:50 am
Norcross, GA – The police in Norcross were connected to a federal data base and able to check the immigration status of ALL traffic stops – no racial profiling and no different than making a computer check for outstanding warrants. At the onset of the program there was a significant Hispanic population in the Norcross area.
After a short time the Hispanic population of Norcross dramatically declined and along with that came a decline in criminal activity. You may draw from that what you wish.
Apparently no deportation is required if the states and the feds will simply enforce the current immigration law.
As for the farmers and other businesses who complain about a shortage of “cheap” labor – become a responsible citizen and use the American work force.
As for illegal immigration forcing corporations to send jobs overseas, that is simply wrong. The Internal Revenue Code is primarily responsible for sending jobs overseas. The US has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate of the industrialized nations. There is nothing anti-American about corporate officers being good stewards of the company money. In fact, the Board of Directors and officers are open to a law suit for frivolous spending.
AND, before some nimrod argues the corporate rate is not high enough – Corporations do not pay income tax. The consumer of their goods and services pay the tax through higher prices and the corporation simply collects from the consumer and passes the money on to the IRS.
Pliny Elder
July 8th, 2010
9:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNptFKhwYuA&feature=player_embedded
casual observer
July 8th, 2010
9:59 am
Free man,
“Organized religion of all “faiths” has in total caused more human suffering in this world than it has prevented. Zealots are dangerous no matter the form.”
That comment is ignorant and mis-informed. Organized religion is present and in the forefront providing assistance after every disaster.
Christian groups were among the first on the scene in Thailand (a predominantly Muslim country) after the tsunami and in Haiti after the earth quake. Groups of Christian doctors traveled at their own expense to Thailand and Haiti, and at personal risk, to assist anyone in need as they traveled throughout the countries to provide assistance.
Uninformed, baseless comments such as yours, Free Man, tell us much more about YOU than provide any enlightenment on the topic at hand.
BP101
July 8th, 2010
9:59 am
I really wish the national and local media would check their work before publishing.
For the record there is no such agency as Customs and Border Patrol (stated in the picture caption) the correct agency title is Customs and Border Protection.
The Agent pictured is a U.S. Border Patrol Agent not a Customs and Border Patrol agent. There is no such thing. The officers who work at the Ports of Entry are Customs and Border Protection Officers.
Please do not refer to us as Border Guards; we are either Agents or Officers not guards.
seriously
July 8th, 2010
10:00 am
What a wise and appropriate position, Mr. Land. Way to go! I can’t blame anyone for wanting to come to the greatest country on earth. And if there isn’t a legal way to get here, I hope I’d ignore some gabacha law myself.
Red
July 8th, 2010
10:05 am
free man – I love the pinning of suffering on organized religion. I refer you to a man named Josef Stalin who killed at least 30 million of his own people, imprisoned millions more, and caused untold suffering to many more millions across the globe during his reign. He is one example of the opposite of your claim. Instead of pinning this on organized religion, let’s just say ideology. Because those of NO faith right now have a greater death and suffering toll than that of organized religion.
Captain Midnight
July 8th, 2010
10:47 am
HAHAHAHA, deegree. I have personal experience with a restaurant that opened a couple of years ago with a largely hispanic(illegal) staff. The owner got spooked and slowly fired the hispanics. He replaced them with negros. Over time the low-skilled negros proved themselves to be what most low-skilled negros are. The owner has had problems with theft, drugs, poor job performance, unexcused absences and high turnover. The restaurant is now pretty much half hispanic and half negro.
OldSnarkey
July 8th, 2010
11:06 am
lem, your post just goes to show how ignorant you are!!!
Southern Republican Focus on Immigration Intensifies | Progressive Fix
July 8th, 2010
12:34 pm
[...] whose primary is on July 20, immigration is indeed a big issue in the gubernatorial contest, as reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jim Galloway: For the next 13 days, all stops are off [...]
F.Bartonie
July 8th, 2010
1:19 pm
Are we the United States or not? The short sighted leaders of most of our states is totally irresponsible.
All states should back Arizona on SB1070, not boycott. If all states will join together, on this issue and all issues, the Federal Government will start doing what is required, getting off their butt and enforcing their own laws and earning the over-inflated income. This will also take the power back into the states where it belongs. Let us reduce the Federal Government and increase the State Government, bring the decision makers closer to the people.. Arizona has giver America a chance to come together, as a United States. All of you narrow minded idiots out there pull your heads out of your butt, and start smelling the roses. We are starting to lose one of the best windows of opportunity I have witnessed in my life time. If we let it pass without action we as a nation are doomed, United we stand, divided we fall.
You Asked
July 8th, 2010
1:19 pm
For those of you complaining that we stole parts of Mexico from the Spanish… Where were you when the Spanish were engaged in wholesale genocide of the Toltec? And where where you when the Toltecs were absorbing the culture of the Aztecs? And where were you when the Aztecs were engaged in kidnapping and sacrificing Mayans? And where were you when the Maya were engaged in conquering the Olmec?
Give Eden back to Adam and Eve I say!
Legend of Len Barker
July 8th, 2010
2:43 pm
I find myself agreeing with Land. I’m not for open borders, but the current immigration/citizenship process is a travesty.
An ordinary day laborer has no shot at becoming a legal citizen. Especially if he’s Hispanic.
The 1965 immigration laws – which are currently on the books – were supposed to replace the quota system, but are exactly that: a quota system. If the U.S. already has a large number of citizens from one area, they accept less of the citizenship applications from that area. Considering that 80% of all illegal immigrants originate from North America and only one third of the people accepted for citizenship last year originate from North America, I say it’s a serious issue. Especially since the respective numbers are in the neighborhood of 8.5 million and 300,000 (the last one is from memory, the stats are on the Department of Homeland Security site).
Citizenship is based on desirable skills. While a Hispanic farm laborer and construction worker are indeed doing necessary jobs, they’re going to be considered. Because their skills aren’t unique. However, Albert Pujols quickly became a citizen because … he’s a baseball player. Wandy Rodriguez gave a false name upon arriving in America and wasn’t deported because … he’s a baseball player. Sebastian Janikowski ran afoul of the law often and was only threatened with deportation because … he can kick field goals.
It’s a shame that every American-born slacker gets citizenship because s/he was lucky enough to be born here but the very individuals who are literally willing to die to provide a better life for their families are seen as scumbags.
Goodness Gracious Sakes Alive
July 8th, 2010
4:01 pm
Goodness Gracious Sakes Alive! I have never agreed with Richard Land on anything. Till now. A reasonable, moderate position on the issue of immigration??? He’s never had a reasonable, moderate position on ANYTHING! I left the Southern Baptist Church over people like him.
I don’t really believe in that Second Coming thing, but if I did, I’d say the Apocalypse is nigh!
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 8th, 2010
11:18 pm
Richard Land is a “Judas goat” leading good Baptists astray.
Out of Princeton and Oxford, longtime “Bush Boy” Land is a false Baptist siding with the Roman Catholic Church’s published stratagem for usurping the American People through the promotion of illegal immigration. His loyalty is with the Anti-Christ’s “Fifth Column” false-elite, whose fascist plutocracy will only continue to succeed as long as the eighty percent Middle Class is destroyed as the “stopper” it is in the Old Sectarian Order’s “shoot the moon” to once more “own the world.”
Our Founders received America, the Promised Land, in covenant from the Creator, G-d of the universe.
Vietnam draft-dodger Richard Land is not of G-d. If he were he would have alerted us to George W. Bush’s evil.
As he did not we can know with certainty that he and the 9/11-committing draft-dodging closet-queen George W. Bush are two of a kind: servants of the Anti-Christ.
Seal the border – Remove Rome from our shores – Expropriate the Roman Anti-Christ’s American “Fifth Column” to pay the debt they’ve created to make the People bond slaves – only when the treasonous Roman Catholic Church which has been promoting illegal immigration to take over America is banished and the border secure, can we begin to consider allowing illegals a path to citizenship, through inculcation in the meaning and power of the American Creed’s three mottoes, bequeathed to all who would be true Americans, by the Founders, by G-d.
John
July 9th, 2010
12:03 am
el diablo,
Still can’t get over your own racism, can you? Honestly, yesterday, you spewed enough hatred and bigotry (in another article’s comments) to spawn a war!
Do you not understand that your attitude provides all the fodder any person of any race has to avoid you like the plague?
Please be bothered to grow up and see virtue in others soon. ..And PLEASE get over your spiteful view of history! Fomenting violence along the border or anyplace in the Southwest won’t heal any of your supposed wounds.
John
July 9th, 2010
12:11 am
Mr. Jones (et al):
Please be bothered to overcome your hatred for my Church soon.
If you’re going to claim some form of Christian identity–Baptist apparently?–would you mind re-reading those things that Christ said about learning the Truth and/or compassion for one’s neighbor?
I’m not happy with some of our episcopal attitudes, but since these aren’t precisely the actual teachings of the Church in the first place….
How will we ever have true Christian communion if you view another faith tradition with such spite and contempt?
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 9th, 2010
7:48 am
Rome has many agents in other-named sectarian factions bent on destroying the New Secular Order established in covenant with the Creator, G-d of the universe, by America’s Founders. There is but one G-d.
It is anti-American and against the “King of America,” G-d Almighty, to attempt to impose some sectarian interpretation of the Infinite Power in the Public Common. The People is sovereign, with each Individual is guaranteed the right to his or her own relationship with G-d, or not, by the Constitution.
Understand the Creed’s three mottoes: “Annuit Coeptis” is the only legitimate reference to the Deity in American political discourse.
Richard Land, a “good buddy” and fellow Vietnam draft-dodger of the former Closet-Queen-in-Chief, is not of G-d, regardless of his sectarian affiliation.
Illegal immigration is a published, admitted and proclaimed vehicle by which the Roman Catholic Church’s Old Sectarian Order of king and pope, caesaropapism, is in the process of usurping and repealing the whig, American Revolution, which established Citizen Sovereignty and American Exceptionalism…the ongoing threat to the families of Europe which have used the Roman Catholic Church to enslave the bodies and minds of the masses for thousands of years, and their American “Fifth Column” which provided their finance of Hitler and the Holocaust, the assassinations of John and Martin to send us to die for the pope in Vietnam, and whose Roman Catholics alone, on the Supreme Court, cheated a dry-drunk, draft-dodging closet-queen into the White House (where he “received” his homosexual lover James Guckert/”Jeff Gannon” – documented at the social entrance by the Secret Service’s logbook – 202 times over a two-year period).
Their stratagem – a de facto signed confession of treason and an open invasion for conquest – is available for the patriot or merely curious to read:
http://www.amazon.com/National-Publication-Publishing-Promotion-Conference/dp/1555861997/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278675850&sr=8-1
Those with knowledge, whose affinity is support for Rome’s “Fifth Column,” like Richard Land, false Baptist, who support amnesty without sealing the border and punishing the Roman Catholic Church for its treason and other abominations, first, are also traitors against America.
Treason against G-d’s Promised Land is treason against G-d.
Face the obvious: if Richard Land were a Man of G-d he would have had nothing to do with the Roman Anti-Christ’s best friend, George W. Bush.
John W.
July 9th, 2010
12:33 pm
I’ve lived on the Mexican border for 10 years now and we don’t see many HELP WANTED signs that is the crux of the problem. These boys need to live and try to find work on the Mexican border to really have an opinion. There we go again making this a race issiue when it is illegal to be in this country illegaly no matter what your nationality is and this is NOT “anti-Hispanic immigration rhetoric”.
Anne
July 9th, 2010
1:00 pm
To Yankee in Gooberville……Delta is ready when you are.
Rural Education
July 9th, 2010
6:28 pm
Reagan gave amnesty to about 3 million illegal immigrants in 1986, I wonder why the Reverend doesn’t mention that. He hits Carter, but not “Saint” Reagan
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 10th, 2010
4:29 am
Reagan’s was a “Roman Catholic” White House. It was during his term that diplomatic relations were established with the Vatican “in the middle of the night,” rejecting the policy established for centuries, and Rome’s “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry” was implemented: a published, enumerated stratagem – in Spanish and English – for promoting illegal immigration by Hispanic Roman Catholics to America as an invasion for conquest.
Peter Q. Wolfe
July 11th, 2010
1:37 am
We need to look at the very onset of the history of immigration into this nation to see the problem. The colonization from europeans and then the manifest destiny moving forward to promote the manifest destiny issue at hand today. There is tons of land with not enough adaquate support for financial support for the infrastructure to support such a move between Canada, Mexico and the east to west coasts of our nation not including the air issue with underground problems. Americans of all stripes need to understand dividing up families whether deporting or legalization should be the way to go in a humane way. The fence needs to be put up in a logical and sensible time working with the mexican president as well as the people in Mexico on tougher sanctions if not taken serious.
Dude you guys in America are so anti-catholic when we save you don’t complain in our hospitals and in our catholic private schools. We provide you these services with usually non-profit at hand with parish support to people in need for only tax exemption. We provide health reform with medical doctors and nuns and others to change our inhumane system to a fair and balanced prospective with morals in place to help those in need. The Fourteenth admentth to the U.S Constitution and the 4th admendment of the Bill of Rights are being trashed by the 10th admendment. The plain simple fact is that we need to have more electronic database cross referencing to be a requirement in the next upcoming decades and to enforce existing laws in this nation of ours in a compassionant even handed approach to the issues. Baptist you guys are also evil gluttonous, death penalizing, selfish, illiterate, war mongering, slave owning, racist, biggoted, hypocritical, etc just as much as you claim the catholics of being. Come on man you guys aren’t being serious that you guys are any better than the catholics because they selter the defenseless in a family oriented judo-christian way? Dude they work to have the fruit of their labor cause of the tyranical circumstances in the mexican government and unstable settlement of all illiterate governments of populated supposed devweloped nations including the U.S.A.
Finally, we need comprimise not sniping from either side cause that won’t do any good. Both sides have good points and should be looked at for long term gains not temporary gains and my idea is about duration. Do the vote now today not for November for the American people! Easy right? No, not for Washington, D.C cause they don’t want to work on a devicive issues as device as immigration cause they might lose office if they vote with their conciance rather than their humane souls. Barack Obama has somethings that I disagree with (e.g. abortion support), however, I could say that of any president cause they have a wide platform to appeal to different voters like civil rights to etc that we don’t feel that affect us affect others. On moral grounds, defending children is 1 that and national security which encompasses them with other defenseless people like the elderly, disabled and unabled bodied inputent poor among us. I’m precatholic myself and these comments about a conspireracy are drugged in the head conspireracy theory like if that we’re the true case right, then why did John F. Kennedy get killed? He was pro-American like Robert Kennedy and Ted Kennedy even if you don’t agree with those tax payers who served our nation to a great capacity.
Couldn’t It Wait Until December? | Article VI Blog | John Schroeder
July 12th, 2010
8:46 am
[...] Fascinating Captain. var a2a_config = a2a_config || {}; a2a_config.linkname="Couldn’t It Wait Until December?"; a2a_config.linkurl="http://www.article6blog.com/2010/07/12/couldnt-it-wait-until-december/"; a2a_config.show_title=1; [...]
Wow
July 12th, 2010
4:27 pm
Wow, let’s boycott GA now too!
This will work out perfect. As more and more states come out for law enforcement, those in lefty states (think California) will stay away, and we won’t have to deal with their polluting, politically correct social subversion.
Win/win.
Awesome!
Jcrowl
July 14th, 2010
10:04 pm
So when did our country become a dumping ground for all of the surplus population of the third world? Who decided that we should become an overcrowded third world dump? I just wish that my people, the present day European-Americans who have been the historic American nation since its founding,,would show some of the courage of the Lakota,,Apache, Comanche..who opposed our people and fought for their land..
John Martin
August 29th, 2010
10:06 am
Dear Land You are so wrong!!!!My Great grandmother came from Spain! I think its wrong to reward those that have made a video of cleaning a gun with the American Flag and hate this country!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you want the drug smugelers to take over here like they did in mexico??They have messed up their country now you want those third grade dropouts to VOTE HERE? My wife use to teach those IN MEXICO. You want to Kill America Just Let These Fifth in col. in this land.Sincerly John Martin