On adopting a replica of the Arizona law in Georgia

Jekyll Island – Whether the children of illegal immigrants should be allowed into Georgia universities wasn’t a topic at a pair of debates among candidates for governor on Friday.

But whether Georgia should adopt a replica of the Arizona law – to identify and deport illegal immigrants – was a major topic among both Republicans and Democrats.

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The debates were sponsored by the Georgia Press Association and the Georgia Chamber of Commerce.

As you might expect, all five candidates in the GOP debate,held first, favored adoption of a similar measure. (Karen Handel was absent.)

The entire answer of state Insurance Commissioner John Oxendine:

“Yes.”

Eric Johnson said he’d go a step further, requiring all hospitals and public schools to ascertain the citizenship of the people they serve. The former state senator from Savannah said he would then sue the federal government to get back money spent on illegals.

He would also crack down on businesses that hire illegal aliens. The second time a business is found guilty of hiring undocumented workers, he said, “they would lose their business license permanently.”

Former congressman Nathan Deal endorsed the Arizona law, but thought Johnson’s ideas are a step too far:

“I think what we need to do is to be able to have law enforcement at every level be able to assist in the enforcement of immigration laws. We only have four counties in the state of Georgia that are participating in the 287(g) program. But I don’t think we need to burden teachers with being immigration enforcement officers. It should remain a law enforcement function.”

It’s not clear where he obtained his figures, but state Sen. Jeff Chapman of Brunswick declared that Georgia has “more illegal aliens than the state of Arizona.”

The picture was far less uniform among the six Democrats in the debate that followed. Former Gov. Roy Barnes and House Minority Leader DuBose Porter expressed the most nuanced positions.

Democratic candidates at Jekyll debate: Thurbert Baker (left), Roy Barnes, Bill Bolton, Carl Camon, DuBose Porter, David Poythress. Stephen Morton/AP

Democratic candidates at Jekyll debate: Thurbert Baker (left), Roy Barnes, Bill Bolton, Carl Camon, DuBose Porter, David Poythress. Stephen Morton/AP

Said David Poythress, former commander of the Georgia National Guard:

“I will not support that because I think it’s unconstitutional. You cannot empower a police officer simply to stop a person at random on the street, and then make them prove who they are. The Soviet Union used to have what they called internal passports. I don’t think America wants that. This is a national problem and it’s got to be solved at the border.”

Porter wouldn’t endorse the Arizona approach – and said that Georgia’s legislation would have to be modified:

“We have a different situation in Georgia than what Arizona has. Certainly, if you’re not here legally, you shouldn’t be here. We would have to come up with something very different than that, because we’re in a different geographic location. What we have a problem with are people here illegally getting jobs that should be going to those who are legal here.”

Said Barnes:

“There are some parts that I can go along with. Local governments enforce federal laws all the time. Police officers arrest folks for federal laws all the time. So I don’t have any problem with that part. Now, you have to be careful not to be racial profiling. I think there’s a balance there.

“But let me tell you this. This seems to be the dominant issue over on the Republican side. It’s a little distracting. I’ll be quite frank with y’all. The army of Georgia is not big enough to march to the Rio Grande river, stopping folks from coming across. I might could stop those Alabamians from swimming across the Chattahoochee. You have to push for some sort of national solution.”

Said Attorney General Thurbert Baker:

“Last time I checked, Georgia did not border any foreign country. This is a national issue that requires a national solution. “

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110 comments Add your comment

Typical

June 17th, 2010
6:52 pm

Best idea yet!!

Rev Al Sharptongue

June 17th, 2010
6:59 pm

The Dems are complete morons.

ATHtoATL

June 17th, 2010
7:00 pm

Thank God Roy will be able to keep those dirty Alabamans from swimming across the Hooch. Those hicks just want to take our jerbs!

ladyliberty

June 17th, 2010
7:17 pm

Great reporting Jim! I was there. You caught all the main points. But you left out Bolton’s discussion of the hidden displaced. Was that what he called all the people allegedly let go by Monsanto and then replaced by illegals.

John

June 17th, 2010
7:19 pm

Why not, It is the same as the Federal law if you care to read it, but adopting it means nothing if your not gonna enforce it

mike

June 17th, 2010
7:53 pm

Funny how a group of people who tried to exterminate and stole land from the Native Americans are trying to require others to prove their legal status.

scott

June 17th, 2010
7:59 pm

Yes !!! and the sooner the better !

Joemama

June 17th, 2010
8:04 pm

Isn’t it just common sense that all who enter local, state, or federal law enforecement custody, apply to a state supported college, or apply for assistance should be verifed as citizens?

Fred

June 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

Mike. You are an idiot. WHAT “native Americans?” You mean the Russians who came across the Bering Straits and then killed everyone who they encountered and stole THEIR land? They killed the One’s they called “The ones who came before.’ THOSE “native americans?” They (you?) aren’t”native Americans” you are murdering Russian conquerors who got your asses kicked by those who are here NOW. Maybe we should have followed THEIR plan and killed everyone like YOUR people did and then we wouldn’t have to hear the whining from idiots like you.

Kenneth Cobb

June 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

It’s about time, go GOP on this one, and I’m an Independent

justice for all

June 17th, 2010
8:06 pm

Something needs to be done about the illegals in this state and especially the city of Atlanta. Spent a morning in traffic court for the judge to ask every hispanics how long they had been in this country then immediately dismiss the case. Not a dang one of them was found guilty. She wasted no time finding this caucation man guilty. he presented a good case After all the other cases I sat through (thought she would throw the book at them) that she found not guilty. It was obvious The caucasian man was being singled out. Why do the minorities get special treatment and the hard working man walked out cash poor. Justice for all!!!!

cattle dawg

June 17th, 2010
8:09 pm

So what happens after the republicans pass the law? Who gets harrased next by cops, and Im republican. The only dem I vote for is Dubose.

Joemama

June 17th, 2010
8:10 pm

ps mike–the people u talk about are all dead; right or wrong, they did what they did in their time/world and brought western civization to this land. And that means law and order, which means borders. I am sure u would perfer anarchy or UN law

John

June 17th, 2010
8:13 pm

Deport the Georgia Toll Road Authority and all of its TRYANTS!

cattle dawg

June 17th, 2010
8:14 pm

Immigration is a cash cow in this state, especially in rural Georgia. These local yocals bust guys all the time for no drivers liscence and such . The illegals just pay big fine an move on.

Susan

June 17th, 2010
8:15 pm

You have my vote Roy!

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
8:20 pm

Just write a law requiring all law Georgia enforcement entities to be signed up for 287G.

Georgia is Red

June 17th, 2010
8:27 pm

I hope Roy was saying that he would stop the illegals swimming across the river as a joke…You never know though. Roy Barnes can not do any of the stuff he promises in his commercials without raising taxes, and he can’t do half of the stuff he promises because it is not under his control! Nathan Deal has my vote. He knows the issues facing Georgia very well. Unlike Sonny and his hand picked choice Karen Handel.

Georgia is Red

June 17th, 2010
8:28 pm

Sonny Perdue was dissapointing IMO by the way.

North America + South America= All Americans

June 17th, 2010
8:31 pm

ha ha!! love it how all these red necks think they are soo “American”. The always forget that the true Americans of the United States of America are Native Americans. Unles you are native American, then you are a true American. The rest of the society area all immigrants. Rednecks are just upset that they only speak one language and don’t know nothing beyond their little red neck town.

Poor things…so scared that the world is moving too fast. Too fast, for those that only speak one language and their options are being limited.

Of course, you also forget that North and South America, yes both continents makes everyone American!

cattle dawg

June 17th, 2010
8:33 pm

Im just fed up with both parties. I really wish there was good third party out there. Nobody does whats best for this state anymore, only whats best for thier party.

ATL

June 17th, 2010
8:34 pm

Racism pure and simple– I for one can’t wait for the demographics of this state to catch up with its politics and put all of those self-righteous right-wing republicans out of work…

Uncle Joe Liberty

June 17th, 2010
8:34 pm

It is against federal law NOT to enforce current immigration law. The Arizona law is not even required for Arizona law enforcement to do their job. Does anyone have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants being deported? If you do then you are supporting serious criminal activity, like Barack Obama.

Cobb Citizen

June 17th, 2010
8:34 pm

Fred: You’re kidding right? No one can be that clueless regarding the anthropological development of our country.

Jose gone fishing

June 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

Please do not vote for the white man from Savannah.He scares me so much. He will send all my family back to Mexico.Vote for a Democrat;they will give us anything we need to stay in this country.Also,I have a brother in Mexico that needs a job.Please send all information to Jose@Illegals.com.

intown

June 17th, 2010
8:42 pm

Proof that Georgia is full of retards

intown

June 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

proof that im a libtard

Fed Up With Idiots

June 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

Saying it’s a national problem is just plain stupid, the problem exist where the illegals are located and if it takes profiling to fix this then so be it. Empower law enforcement, hospitals and schools to locate illegals and deport them. Make employers pay for hiring them with jail time. Require Wal Mart to have proof of being in this country legally before allowing money to be wired out of the country.

It’s way past time to amend the constitution to correct the issue of a child simply being an American if they are born on this soil. If both the parents are here illegally, then the child is too.

The law in Arizona is working and I will refuse to vote for anyone that will continue to stick their head in the sand and ignore the issue simply because they don’t have the guts to do what’s right. Proving that you are a citizen is no different than taking off my shoes before I am allowed to fly, I have to prove that I’m not a terrorist before I can board the plane.

intown

June 17th, 2010
8:58 pm

I hope we we can get more illegals amnesty so we can get them on the Democrat voting bloc. Then we can try to push our loser anti america agenda.

Joe Schmoe

June 17th, 2010
9:00 pm

Employers should be severly punished for hiring illegals. With out these avalible jobs, the illegals would not be here. Punish the employers and deport the ones who did not follow the rules on legal citizenship.

Joe Schmoe

June 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

For that matter, take away the jobs, and they will leave on their own.

shirley

June 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

Wake up. The US economy is based in part on the labor of those who live and work in the US without immigration documents. Sooner or later the federal government will take charge of this issue putting a stop to the madness of this local debate. It is so much easier to talk about policies that you have little or no authority to decide rather than those you do. Try increasing the graduation and student rate of the youth of Georgia, investing in water, clean air, transit, statewide Trauma care network, job creation, 21st century transportation system and rail, broadband infrastructure and technology. Please let’s get to the issues that will matter 50 years from now. This is a nation where immigrants, slaves and indentured servants have prospered and improved their lives, have built the nation. The shallowness of this immigration debate in the GA campaigns saps our creativity and distracts from issues our new governor will avoid at our collective peril.

Pickin' Cotton

June 17th, 2010
9:06 pm

Roy’s comments where a joke! We need a Governor who will take Illegal Immigration seriously.

Pickin' Cotton

June 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

Where has David P. been? He is so out of touch with reality.

Illegal Immigration is NOT a national problem… It is a Georgia problem. Illegal Immigrants are a burden on our schools, hospitals, Ilegal immigrant paying instate tuition. Ilegals don’t file with the IRS or pay taxes.

StJ

June 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

If I were governor, I’d offer a reward for any citizen who helps identify illegals, or identify those who hire them. If you want to be here, do it the legal way.

Peach State

June 17th, 2010
9:29 pm

We need to elect an Attorney General who will “protect” and “enforce” state and federal laws relating to immigration.

Steve

June 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

The point that Georgia is not a border state is NOT the point. Enforce already existing law and prove citizenship for ANY and ALL benefits including an education. The reason illegals are coming here is because we are the only industrialized nation that doesn’t enforce our own laws. Why wouldn’t a person from the third world want to get free education, medical benefits, and free breakfast and lunch for their kids ?

Legend of Len Barker

June 17th, 2010
9:38 pm

It is nearly impossible for Hispanic immigrants to come to America legally.

Work visas are generally granted on basis of job skills. Your normal everyday laborer has very little opportunity of getting one. Naturalization is based on these same principles. Despite the vast majority of illegal immigrants in America originating from North America (80% or 8.5 million) only 725,000 people per year become legal citizens of the United States. Of those, only 220,000 are people who originate from North America.

The United States’ current immigration law was instituted in 1965. While it is a replacement of the quota system, it’s still effectively a quota system in which priority is given to those who marry legal U.S. citizens, have specialized skills, or originate from an area that doesn’t supply the nation with many immigrants (such as, for example, Sweden).

I’m not in favor of open borders, but the system needs a complete overhaul in regards as to how one becomes a legal citizen. The vast majority of illegal Hispanic immigrants in American have ZERO chance of doing of becoming legal.

Pope UGA XXIII

June 17th, 2010
9:55 pm

I have a much better idea.
Let’s “deport” all of the sleazeball creeps in Congress who have
played a roll in getting our country into such a mess. Deportation
voting can be finalized on November 2nd.

Warbler

June 17th, 2010
9:59 pm

You forgot to list Ray McBerry’s response to the question. I know you forgot because you are so fair and balanced you would never do that on purpose. Right, Jim?

deegee

June 17th, 2010
10:33 pm

Thank you, Len Barker for so succinctly pointing out the immigration dilemma. It’s time to reform immigration policy. I would bet that if you allow the estimated 10 million people that are here working illegally to adjust status you would see an uptick in the economy. They are here to realize their American dream and they spend money as long as they know they can keep what they buy.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

June 17th, 2010
10:40 pm

Illegal immigration is promoted by “the powers that be” to “replace” the cheap labor they lost since the Civil Rights movement…and Blacks are 91% not Roman Catholic…so Rome sees them as an economic as well as a spiritual target to destroy. It’s all outlined in their “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry.”

“They” know what “they” are doing. It’s all spelled out for any to read.

Roman Catholic priests deliver voting blocs and crooked politicians respond to that. The priests need the illegal Hispanic Roman Catholics’ money. Politicians need the support of the priests.

DuBose’s response could have been much worse. We need to see his updated position on forcing the incested and raped to bear.

Barnes is a simpering, pandering pansy.

DJB

June 17th, 2010
10:40 pm

Today’s anti-immigrant vitriol makes just makes me want to cry for our country. People talk about deporting them, jailing them, denying them basic humanitarian services because they were born some where else. These are not “aliens” or “immigrants” — they are people. They just want an opportunity to work and create a better life. I agree with the poster who prays for the day that demographics catch up– thank God that, in many counties, even the 2010 Census shows Caucasians are a minority. I just hope that, as minorities gain social, economic, and political power, they aren’t as bigotted and ignorant as we Caucasians have proven ourselves to be.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

June 17th, 2010
10:50 pm

DJB – Are you, or were you raised, “Roman Catholic:” of the institution America’s Founder, Thomas Jefferson, identified as “the real Anti-Christ?”

p

June 17th, 2010
11:16 pm

The Mexican birth rate has declined to the point that it is very similar to the U.S. birth rate. Instead of the average Mexican female having six kids, as in the ’60’s, she now has 2. Fewer people=fewer future immigrants. The only countries reproducing at a high rate now are thase where women have few rights and are uneducated. As soon as women have similar or equal rights to men, the birth rate drops quickly.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

June 17th, 2010
11:55 pm

P – your information in no way changes Rome’s published stratagem for promoting illegal immigration to take over America. As the Industrial and Agricultural Revolutions unfold throughout the “latifundial” slave plantations of Latin America, excess slaves must be dispersed or social unrest becomes unmanageable. “Two birds with one stone:” Rome’s false elite sends them here to over balance the White, Black, and Jew non-Roman Catholic majority, already “under the gun” with a Roman Catholic majority on the SCOTUS and an RC plurality in Congress.

TY

June 17th, 2010
11:59 pm

This state is full of followers. Make your own laws

E

June 18th, 2010
12:15 am

if you want every illegal being deported… it is not going to happen (too expensive).
Should illegal people PAY a fine? yes.
Should illegal people REQUEST AND PAY for a work permit? yes.
Should illegal people once they have work permit and PAY a health insurance coverage? yes (I’m sure if they have to pay for health insurance they will not have so many kids- that means less food stamps, less money from the gov to cover the delivery and future education of those kids,etc-).
Should illegal people who obtain work permit and pay a fine DO their tax return without claiming return for each kid they have? yes.
Should illegal people who does not obtain a work permit and pay a fine be deported? yes.

Once again deporting millions is impossible but make them pay for everything is only fair, for US citizens, US government and them too (if you want to stay and get the benefits of a 4-5 stars hotel you have to pay for it… right?)

haves vs have nots

June 18th, 2010
4:12 am

Illegal immigration is not a moral issue, its all about CHEAP LABOR. Democrats and Republican business owners are hiring this cheap labor. Every construction site I pass, I see only non-Americans working. American men want to work in construction. Corporate America also likes illegal labor, because they use cash – no credit cards. My heart bleeds for the American family whose house is going into foreclosure, because their job was replaced by CHEAP LABOR, outsourced or using illegals here.
For all of you who cry they can’t get citizenship, if they join the military citizenship will be granted. But you have got to love America to join the armed forces. Some people just want to take and never give.

Rick

June 18th, 2010
6:02 am

I like Eric Johnson’s position. The Democrats have to understand that more than 80% of Georgia voters want these illegal aliens and their children out of Georgia so we are not supporting them!