A contrarian conservative says health care repeal will go nowhere

From Sam Olens to Max Wood, from Newt Gingrich to John Boehner, Republicans this morning are swearing oaths. The health care bill passed by the U.S. House on Sunday will be undone, they say.

Leave it to David Frum, the former George W. Bush aide, to provide the contrarian conservative point-of-view. This posted on CNN.com:

Some Republicans talk of repealing the whole bill. That’s not very realistic. Even supposing that Republicans miraculously capture both houses of Congress in November, repeal will require a presidential signature.

More relevantly: Do Republicans write a one-sentence bill declaring that the whole thing is repealed? Will they vote to reopen the “doughnut” hole for prescription drugs for seniors? To allow health insurers to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions? To kick millions of people off Medicaid?

It’s unimaginable, impossible.

But Frum has a list of fixes that he thinks conservatives ought to make, beginning with blocking the coming income tax increases for those earning over $500,000.

But this from Newt Gingrich is what nearly every other Republican is saying, with November in mind:

This will not stand.

No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday’s vote

This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fight.

The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer centralized bureaucratic health system

In every recent poll the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity

Speaker Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.

She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.

The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine combined the radicalism of Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield and the machine power politics of Chicago.

Sunday was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.

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61 comments Add your comment

TP4U

March 22nd, 2010
12:03 pm

Why not wait and see how the new health care reform bill works before trying to dismantle something that will obviously help 30 million Americans realize a better quality of life because they can now access affordable health care. Newt, Bonaire, Limbaugh and Beck can go to hell with their doom, armageddon theories. Where were they when GW Bush sold us a lie and got us into the nonsensical trillion dollar Iraq war??? The insurance companies have virtually held Americans hostage and the Republicans that voted no have their great health care plans and they said to working class Americans “YOU CAN’T HAVE WHAT WE HAVE!”

TP4U

March 22nd, 2010
12:12 pm

In addition, any Georgia state legislator that tries to put forth a measure for Georgians to opt out of the health care reform bill is an idiot. State law does not supersede federal law. Why are they wasting our tax dollars with this nonsense. We need a transportation plan. We need a water plan. We need jobs. 500,000 folks are out of work and they are wasting our tax dollars with stuff that can’t be controlled on the state level. We know the legislators and they will pay come November. STOP WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS WITH FRIVOLOUS LEGISLATION!

Pedro

March 22nd, 2010
12:13 pm

TP4U – do you understand that we will not see any of the proposed upside from this until 2014? We will begin paying for it immediately but the thing doesn’t engage first gear until 2014. Educate yourself.

losersville

March 22nd, 2010
12:15 pm

Excellent post TP4U. The Republican Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of Corporate America and they will do and say anything to serve their overlords. Republicans have consistently been against anything that has helped Americans: social security, civil rights, women’s rights, medicare and now health care reform to name just a few. Who would even bother to listen to the so called leaders? of a party that has been so anti-American and so pro-Corporation.

Shar

March 22nd, 2010
12:16 pm

Does anyone know if this bill applies to members of the legislative, executive and/or judicial branches of the government?

TP4U

March 22nd, 2010
12:18 pm

@pedro – Seniors will immediately get $250 relieve from their prescriptions. There are measures that will go into effect in 2014. However, there are some that go into effect immediately. read the bill. I am reading it again now. Let’s educate ourselves without listening to talk radio. Why would someone call the congressman a baby killer when that’s why he wasn’t going to vote for the bill until it was taken out and President Obama will sign an Executive Order forbidding tax dollars spent on abortions. We must read and educate ourselves.

Karl Marx

March 22nd, 2010
12:20 pm

Shar is does not and if it would have applied to congress and the president we would not be having this discussion.

conservative democrat

March 22nd, 2010
12:22 pm

In 2015, the bill focuses health care on the patient…why wait? This was based on the Mayo Clinic model that has the best quality of care in the country accompanied by the lowest cost…again why wait? Oh yea, we are currently focused on…the hospital needs to pay for the new machine…or the insurance company executives need another 8 figure bonus…uh? Why wait?

TP4U

March 22nd, 2010
12:26 pm

Why would anyone take the side of corporate America over working class families? I don’t get it. Here we are fighting and debating while the insurance companies and banks are laughing at us while lining their pockets with our money. I refuse to be anyone’s mouthpiece that is hurting folks on a daily basis with no regard to babies after they are born. Republicans say, “Don’t kill the baby before its born because we want to kill the baby with no health care, no insurance for a pre-existing condition and no jobs for their parents to take care of them.” Additionally, republicans actions really mean “pro-birth not pro-life” we want the baby born but we could care less what happens to the baby once he/she is here. What hypocrites you are!

say what?

March 22nd, 2010
12:27 pm

Immediately children will have coverage with pre-existing conditions. Remember a few months ago an insurance company attempting to label a newborn with the pre-existing condition of obesity based on actuary tables. Furthermore the bill included higher education benefits such as an increase in Pell Grants, streamlining student loan process, and an investment in technical colleges. Most tax will apply to those earning more than $200K per year, but with the pilfering of Wall Street, not many of those jobs are around.

Republicans got what they want- Responsibility. Always preaching about people need to take responsibility for themselves and not use the government to bail them out. Now the government has mandated that everyone purchase insurance to care for themselves. AND you still complain that the government is now telling you to take responsibility. Is there no end to the whining?

Grant in Grant Park

March 22nd, 2010
12:28 pm

Hey Pedro – educate YOURSELF! Some of the most importnt provisions are implemented as soon as the President signs the bill. Things like small companies getting a tax credit for insuring their employees as well as guaranteeing insurance coverage for children with pre-existing conditions. Also, no life time caps on coverage starts immediately. There are several other important feature that start immediately, but I don’t want to overwhelm you.

Jeff

March 22nd, 2010
12:30 pm

I’m guessing Obama will quietly repeal that Executive Order soon. He is free to do that. And courts recognize that Executive Orders have no authority at all.

What a strange country we live in. At the same time that the “right” to physician assisted suicide gains popularity, we now force everyone to have gummit health insurance. You have the right to a doctor killing you, but you don’t have the right to choose not to buy health insurance.

Nancy

March 22nd, 2010
12:31 pm

What so many of us are talking about is that the United States can not afford this Health Care reform. Washington does not understand that we are broke. We are trillion and trillion of dollars in debt. If we had the luxury to fix some of this problem in health care ok. But right now we should be working on bring down our debt and getting people back to work. The world (china) is concern about America debt. If the world isn’t lending us money then they can’t keep making th Monopoly money in Washington. One more thing I am one of the American out there that does not have any Health Ins.Because I can’t Afford it, but if America fall because of her Debt then where am I. I don’t won’t to start speaking Chinnese.

ByteMe

March 22nd, 2010
12:47 pm

Nancy, if we do nothing on health care, we spend more than the bill that was passed. If we do nothing, half of all personal bankruptcies will continue to come from health care-related issues (and 80% of those will have health insurance). If we do nothing and you get sick, the health insurance company can cancel your policy.

Doing nothing is what got us into this mess, both in the financial markets and in the health care market.

td

March 22nd, 2010
12:47 pm

TP4U, Because Small businesses and corporate America is the people that create the jobs we work and earn money to support our families. If the cost to insure employees goes up too much then what to you think these businesses will do? Reduce their liabilities and their biggest liability is? Yes, the workers. They will improve processes, invest in technology or just outsource the work over seas and either layoff or not create any further jobs for the us to earn money in America. Do you really believe those bonuses or high salaries going to go away and for that matter why should they? If the people receiving the salaries are the ones taking the risks then they should be the ones reaping the profits. This country was not founded on the Marx’s principle that we need to make sure everyone has equal outcomes. You reward intelligence and hardwork, intelligence and innovation. If you do not have these skills then you live with less rewards and a more meager live. Nothing should be given to you just because you are you.

East Lake Ira

March 22nd, 2010
12:48 pm

As soon as health care passes, the American people will see immediate benefits. The legislation will:

Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans;
Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;
Prohibit dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans;
Lower seniors prescription drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole;
Offer tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage;
Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans;
Require plans to cover an enrollee’s dependent children until age 26;
Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing;
Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions;
Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs.
By enacting these provisions right away, and others over time, we will be able to lower costs for everyone and give all Americans and small businesses more control over their health care choices.

http://www.dems.gov/blog/the-top-ten-immediate-benefits-you-ll-get-when-health-care-reform-passes

td

March 22nd, 2010
12:57 pm

East Lake Ira, Who is going to pay for all of these programs and what will be the long term economic impact on America. Are you ready to give up your job for this to succeed?

Fergie

March 22nd, 2010
1:03 pm

When God is for you no man can be against you. Once you nay sayers understand that concept, you will begin to see how President Obama can do nothing but succeed.

Everything's FREE

March 22nd, 2010
1:09 pm

The something for nothing crowd is alive and well today. It’s really very sad to see all of these uninformed people that actually think a government program will save money and bring costs down. If pressed they can’t name one government program that has ever done so. I keep hearing that we have to do this bill right now. How so? If most of the benefits don’t go into effect for four years, what’s the point? Oh yeah, so we can start paying for it (taxes) right away. What a scam. The Dems voted last night but the people will vote in November.

David

March 22nd, 2010
1:14 pm

I told a great many people from the start that this was never about Health Care but only two things, more taxes and control. If you had listen the President Obama this first words he spoke was controling our deficits then went on to Health Care. Now for the people who work three to four part time jobs just to put food on the table are burden with more taxes and possible jail time for not buying goverment insurance. What will the Democtats tell thier children when the parents are led to jail?

RetiredSoldier

March 22nd, 2010
1:20 pm

So Fergie, you have a direct line to God? How interesting, please tell us more. You have my attention.

Noneya

March 22nd, 2010
1:32 pm

This is going to cause millions of jobs to be lost. I just got out of a meeting with my companies CEO, we’ll be moving one entire subsidiary and about 1/3 of 2 others offshore now. There go somewhere between 500 and 750 employees. Thanks Democrats…….

jfk

March 22nd, 2010
1:32 pm

30 million served and 300 million screwed

President Obama

March 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm

Healthcare for ALL – including 30 million illegals ! We will only raise taxes on Republicans to pay for it ! Abortion today; abortion tomorrow; abortion forever ! Speaker Pelosi proposed retro-active abortions on Republicans; but we came to the realization if there were no more Republicans, who would be left to pay for this outrageeous government expansion.

Just Asking

March 22nd, 2010
1:38 pm

Why do so few people from England and France immigrate to the U.S. Must be hell there with that socialized medical system they have. Just asking.

Cutty

March 22nd, 2010
1:42 pm

Sure Noneya. Whats the name of your company?

Erk

March 22nd, 2010
1:45 pm

Good question Just Asking. I haven’t heard of England or France having to build a fence to keep their citizens in.

conservative democrat

March 22nd, 2010
1:46 pm

Well, I for one am all for this measure. My son graduated from college last May and has been unable to find a job. He is not allowed health insurance coverage under the existing rules from my insurance company, United Healthcare. This legislation should allow coverage and I am also glad this feature goes into effect when the bill becomes law. So this time, Speaker Gingrich, I disagree with you. I hope you will let the law stand especially since you personally have had government insurance for most of your life, former army brat.

Dean N

March 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm

Based on some of these comments, the next major initiative NEEDS TO BE “education reform”. Some of you people are so ignorant it amazes me. You recite the Republican mantra of “we can’t afford this”, but where were you when Bush led us into 2 wars, with absolutely no way to pay for them. The Health Care Reform Act will actually save America money. Who buys when an uninsured person goes to emergency room? If s/he had insurance, perhaps they would have seen a Dr when the problem was minor.

All this crap about Armageddon and and doom for America is nothing more than a conservative fear tactic (which they do very well). What happened to the death panels and pulling the plug on grandma? Now it’s it’ll bankrupt the country. doing nothing will bankrupt the country, as it is already bankrupting families by the millions.

One question? Why didn’t the Republican try (even once) to pass their version of Health Care Reform, when they were in control of the White House for 40 of the past 48 years? My guess, they don’t want their mentally ill followers to get help.

tc

March 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm

and the guy from cigna who just retired with a $110m; yes i fear costs may go up because big business (insurance, hospitals, doctors, etc) seems to be allowed to go unrestrained. seems they are just passing on costs (no check on results) to customers…..anyone know a pharmacy rep, they make a bunch because they dole out the goodies…..i really wish they would turn loose some good cost accountants/time & motion engineers and wring the fat out of this sector. all you folks bitching about the 30 million may be in that number soon as long as you live in this rapidly declining state with its load of obese folks

Republican turned Democrat

March 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm

It’s so sad that the GOP has been reduced to scare tactics, lies, rumors, and misleading information to confuse the public as evident by some of these posts. They did it to themselves when they sold their party to the wealthy.

Everything is so doom and gloom with the GOP. We should never do anything because the sky will start falling. Oh, but yeah we should go to war, spend trillions and ruin many lives! That’s the GOP way…warmonging doom and gloomers! The only issue that is truly GOP, is the issuance of tax breaks to the wealthy and corporate world…ironically when we can never afford them!

They claimed doom and gloom if Obama pulled troops from Iraq, yet it’s happening successfully. They claimed doom and gloom over the 2nd bailout, yet it sparked the markets and given time will ripple outward to main street (he did tell us it would take a few yrs to undo the damage done by the Bush Regime). Now it’s doom and gloom over health reform. It’s all just a bunch of garbage and the reason I no longer vote with that sorry group of pessimists.

General Sherman

March 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm

JOHN BOEHNER FOR PRESIDENT…….

Republican party leader

March 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm

If the big spender, big government President Bush and his band of idiots (Rove, Cheney, etc.) proposed this bill every one in this backwater state would love it. The Republicans in this state and country should shut the hell up about this and get out of the way. Obama has this bill, and the Republicans have Iraq. How is that working for us. Still there BTW. Billions a month. Not much to say about that though. Right?

tc

March 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm

and the dumb arse from texas that yelled baby killer at stupak….what a guy!

Fergie

March 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm

To “Retired Solder”. I have been through a lot in my life. I struggled for so long trying to understand why. Then one day I bought a Living Bible and began to read it just like I would any other book (from cover to cover). I don’t profess to have a direct line to God. I just know that as I read this book called The Bible, I feel different and I can see the miracles in everday life. I see that miracle in President Obama. I hope I didn’t offend you. I love you and thank you for your service to this country.

General Sherman

March 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm

Enter your comments here

Republican turned Democrat

March 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

Nunya, seyanora! Your company going offshore will also lose it’s Bush Tax breaks which means the net gain by going off short will be nada.

General Sherman

March 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

JOHN BOEHNER FOR PRESIDENT..

tc

March 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

anyone read how the children of wall st executives made pretty big bucks working where else…wall street…..

John Boehner

March 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

I don’t want to be president because I know I will suck. I would take the country backwards like my good friend GW did. Now that the country is moving forward, I would like to congratulate President Obama. I never thought I’d say this but when it comes to “who’s ya daddy”, President Obama, you’re my daddy!

A True Patriot

March 22nd, 2010
2:06 pm

say what?

March 22nd, 2010
12:27 pm

Say What……Man, you’re a fool if you think you’re not going to help pay for all this…..also, this requirement that everyone must have health insurance is insane…..and it’s also unconstitutional.

extremerightwing

March 22nd, 2010
2:06 pm

fergie….God is most certainly not on the side of people who support the murder of the unborn child.

Republican turned Democrat

March 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm

@A True Patriot: my friend, everything the GOP disagress with is unconstitutional. I’ve heard that line so much that it has no meaning anymore. This bill is no more unconstitutional that the government forcing us to participate in social security.

Republican turned Democrat

March 22nd, 2010
2:12 pm

@extremerightwing: First off, I am against abortion and federally funded abortions WILL NOT be permitted, did you miss that part?

So much focus is put on abortion that we forget about those already born! To rephrase what you said, God is most certainly not on the side of people who ignore the helpless, born or unborn. You seem only concerned with the unborn and could careless about the others that are hurting and dying so companies can profit.

John Boehner

March 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm

Obama’s my daddy!

DannyX

March 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm

President Boehner, whats the plan?

Are you going to repeal the “socialist” Med D you voted for? Finally fund it? Whats the plan on funding the two wars the Republicans screwed up and left unfunded? How do you fund these wars?

What about the “Big Government” Dept of Homeland Security you left unfunded?

What’s the plan Prez?

tc

March 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm

extremerw, do you think God is on the side of folks that support preexisting conditions….da

John Boehner

March 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

I don’t have a plan. As a proud member of the GOP I don’t need a plan. I just need to say NO to democrats and lead us into another unfunded war and cut taxes on my rich friends!

Nathan Deal

March 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

Hey John, me and Newt are heading out for drinks tonight. Then we’re gonna stalk the men’s rooms at the airport. Wanna come? It’ll be fun!

Republican turned Democrat

March 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm

Let’s please have some respect for our elected officials regardless of party.