Tom Price: Doctor-patient trust will be ‘permanently eroded, permanently damaged’

U.S. Rep. Tom Price of Roswell, so far, is the Republican who has been granted the most time in the House debate over health care:

“I recognized that there were more folks in Washington who affected what I could do for and with my patients than anybody I ever met in residency or medical school – and that was wrong. Health care, taking care of people is a moral endeavor and should be grounded in principle.

“And if the principles that we hold dear for health care are applied to this debate and this bill, the picture is not pretty. Accessibility – being able to receive care. Affordability – being able to afford care. Quality – receiving the best care available. Responsiveness – having a system that works for patients. And innovation – being certain that we have the newest and the best treatments and choices. Patients being able to choose their physicians and how and where they are treated. All of these are harmed by this bill. All of these principles are violated.

“None of these principles are improved by the further intervention of the federal government. So you see, Mr. Speaker, mostly this is bad for patients, for all Americans. The trust that is necessary between care-giver and care-receiver, between patients and their doctors, to believe that your health is not being undermined by the system, will be permanently eroded, permanently damaged….”

In his one minute of time on Sunday, U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Atlanta) evoked the Civil Rights movement with this language:

“This may be the most important vote that we cast as members of this body. We have a moral obligation today, tonight, to make health care a right, and not a privilege. There are those who have told us to start over. There are those who have told us to wait. They have told us to be patient. We cannot wait. We cannot be patient.

“The American people need health care, and they need it now. On this day, and this hour, stand with the American people and not with the big insurance companies. On this day and this moment, in this chamber, answer the call of history. Answer the spirit of history, and pass health care. Yield to the American people a victory. Yield health care a chance.”

We confess that, while transcribing this, we missed U.S. Rep. John Linder’s short address. A Republican in Gwinnett County, Jon Richards, caught it for us:

“I feel rude trying to inject some facts into this kabuki theater, but I am going to try. Eighty-five percent of Americans [are] insured. Ninety-five percent of those people are happy with their insurance.

“Of the other 15 percent uninsured, they consume 70 percent on average as much insurance as those who are insured. That lady in Cleveland that has been referred to ad nauseum is being cared for at the Cleveland Clinic.

“”So what are we to do about the 15 percent? Why take over 16 percent of the economy? A two-and-a-half trillion program that will destroy health care for the 85 percent who are happy, to provide health care for the 15 percent who are not insured. This has never been about health care. This is about government.”

U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Gainesville), who postponed his resignation from Congress to cast a vote tonight, was among the first to speak in this evening’s general House debate on health care:

“Tonight, as I cast what might be the last votes of my congressional career, I am pleased to say that — as I pursue my full-time activities to become the governor of the great state of Georgia — that I will cast my vote in opposition to this bill.

“If this bill becomes law, and I am successful in my undertakings, I will devote my efforts to making sure the people of my state are not subjected to the unconstitutional individual mandate, and that my state is not subject to the unconstitutional mandate to expand our Medicaid rolls.

“I know that I am not alone. Yesterday, 38 states indicated they would join in suing to challenge the constitutionality of this statute…”

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78 comments Add your comment

Ron

March 21st, 2010
7:43 pm

Sorry Nate, your coolade drinking days are over.

Commonsenseagitator

March 21st, 2010
8:01 pm

Cant wait to see Deal burn in hell

Jay

March 21st, 2010
8:01 pm

What does Rep. Deal care? He has government sponsored (tax payer subsidized) health care. Why can’t I have the same option he has?

And now he virtually promises to deprive the poorest of the state
the option of having the same quality health care he has. Selfishness
is all it is.

willie

March 21st, 2010
8:10 pm

Obviously, Nathan Deal appeals to a more intelligent class of people. Good on you Nate…thanks.

No Deal

March 21st, 2010
8:11 pm

I’ll be casting my votes against you, Nathan.

BW

March 21st, 2010
8:11 pm

Deal will not be the next governor of this state

Commonsenseagitator

March 21st, 2010
8:14 pm

Deal appeals to a more intelliegnt class of people? LMAO. Most of the people who vote for him probably still believe we never went to the moon and that the earth is flat. lol

It is about debt

March 21st, 2010
8:16 pm

No one seems to understand that it is not about giving healthcare to the poor or keeping costs down…it is about huge debts that are ending America as it is…Obama is destroying our country one trillon dollars at a time. If Deal is elected Gov of Ga….his first and only priority is to reduce spending and pay down state debts…we are over if this does not occur. America’s bx growth days are over until all the debt and spendning is resigned…no nation in history ever survived the debt size we have…China, Japan, other Asian Nations and the Middle East own us now…it won’t be long before we are complete history at the pace this administration is spending.

Commonsenseagitator

March 21st, 2010
8:20 pm

And why do those other countries own us? Nathan Deal, George W. Bush and all the other GOP congressmen and women

JL

March 21st, 2010
8:25 pm

The next governer of GA better have a set and make this a central point. I swear the more I read the f&*Cking idiots who write in the blogs in support of this assault on states rights and personal freedom the more I wonder if you people stupid or mentally impaired. Rights are given by god not by man or even it’s sub-species called congress or the prez. Health care is not a right it is a Service that is executed in the marketplace. I will give an example; Freedom- everyone has a choice how they want to live their life no matter how stupid they are, no man can take that away………even you idiots..

GaRepub

March 21st, 2010
8:26 pm

Ron, Commonsenseagitator, Jay – Let’s talk again in about 6 months when 1 of 3 of you is unemployed because your employer cannot afford you anymore because of the requirements that Obama has imposed on them with this socialized medicine. The end of a free America just happened tonight! God be with us!

GA Girl

March 21st, 2010
8:27 pm

Deal made a deal to oppose the bill so he can be favored for the governor’s race. You might as well vote for the bill because you’re not going to win!

Q

March 21st, 2010
8:31 pm

i wonder how many of you will be told to leave the Pearly Gates on that great day…

Jesus is, surely, soon to come.

BW

March 21st, 2010
8:36 pm

LOL GARepub….perhaps you should start stocking up on canned goods and survival gear…including many guns…and wait for the impending armageddon….moron

Ron

March 21st, 2010
8:55 pm

GAREPUB, sorry son, I was the employer until I recently retired. Have you ever through of the tax dollars now being spent in every hospital emergency room for charity services. You and I are paying for that. A true emergency can’t get sevice for all the head colds. Insurance will sent these people to doctors instead. The world is not going to end, and the country will not crash. Sure, some parts will have to be tweeted as it goes along, but it has to start somewhere.

GaRepub

March 21st, 2010
8:55 pm

You get what you wish for people. Let’s see hos this “change” plays out. Call me a moron or whatever, this is not about health care it is about growing government. The Armageddon is the fact that the IRS is now in your check book even more and can make withdrawals anytime they wish for under the disguise of heath care. Not that it matters. Most all of you just want something for nothing and that you are entitled to it.

tom

March 21st, 2010
8:55 pm

Mr. Deal has no creditability. He is under investigation and will be found at fault. Of course, he will receive a wrist slap. He is not the person to live in the Governor’s mansion.

BW is a moron

March 21st, 2010
8:56 pm

Apparently you don’t own a business. I have and I know others that do and all have
stated they will be cutting employees as a result of this so call “reform” bill that
forces many things on many Americans and does NOTHING to lower cost as stated
by DICK DURBIN!
The only company that will increase hiring will be the insurance companies as this bill
will mandate that everyone have health insurance.

tom

March 21st, 2010
9:01 pm

Reference our tax dollars going to pay for healthcare for those without insurance. If the person being treated needs medical attention, treat them and take my money. If everthing else with our govt was perfect I would not say this. However, our elected officials waste our tax dollars on a daily baisis for pork to keep them in office. If a person is suffering, treat them. I know there are some freeloaders that will take advantage of this offer. F them. I say vote out all incumbents when re-election comes up. Regardless of party or what you perceive they have done for you. It was really for them. Vote them out. Rebel and rejoice when they are all gone. Give notice to those who replace them. Act properly on a bi-partisan basis and listen to those who elected you or you will be gone. Stand up people. Get off the couch. Make it happen.

Dr antisocialist

March 21st, 2010
9:01 pm

Hey I know, I want to go back to school but can’t afford it, the goverment should make everyone pay for me to go back to school, and I don’t like my current car, I should have a more expensive one like rich folks have, goverment take care of that too. And while your at it, isn’t eating part of our health? The goverment should pay for my food to help keep me healthy

GaRepub

March 21st, 2010
9:02 pm

Thank you BW is a moron. They do not have business. I do have a business and I am waiting to see how it affects us to determine how many I let go because I cannot afford them.

Dumb and Dumber

March 21st, 2010
9:04 pm

Funny comment from Bill Maher…but sad…

And before I go about demonstrating how, sadly, easy it is to prove the dumbness dragging down our country, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did.

Or take the health care debate we’re presently having: members of Congress have recessed now so they can go home and “listen to their constituents.” An urge they should resist because their constituents don’t know anything. At a recent town-hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his Congressman to “keep your government hands off my Medicare,” which is kind of like driving cross country to protest highways.

I’m the bad guy for saying it’s a stupid country, yet polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. 24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War. More than two-thirds of Americans don’t know what’s in Roe v. Wade. Two-thirds don’t know what the Food and Drug Administration does. Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, like the way the Slumdog kid knew about cricket.

Not here. Nearly half of Americans don’t know that states have two senators and more than half can’t name their congressman.

Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America. Even though a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they’re not stupid. They’re interplanetary mavericks. ;-)

Billybob

March 21st, 2010
9:05 pm

If this bill is passed this evening it will be official. President Obama will be described, without a doubt, by one of two terms: Socialist or Marxist. Everyone denouncing these adjectives that have been mentioned over the last year will no longer be able to say that either is not the case. Obama’s words are one thing, but his actions are another. Obama will be described by his ACTIONS from this point on. So what’s your poison people? Socialist or Marxist?

A Hard Worker

March 21st, 2010
9:08 pm

I will be working hard, along with many of us, to throw out all those who voted for this healthcare deform bill. Likewise, we will be working to re-elect those who for against this healthcare deform bill. It was refreshing to see some true American patriots going to the well to register the strong opposition to this fatally flawed bill.

The time is near

March 21st, 2010
9:09 pm

BW–You think that day will not come? Look around it is almost here!This country will not exist the way we know it today.Our childern will suffer from our actions and there will be a clash of cultures in our time.LOL now but the joke will be on you and all of us.

It is about debt

March 21st, 2010
9:13 pm

Obama has spent more in 1.3 years than bush did in 8 years.

GT12

March 21st, 2010
9:15 pm

Representative Lewis: “We have a moral obligation today, tonight, to make health care a right, and not a privilege.”

Obviously Mr. Lewis hasn’t read the Declaration of Independence in a long, long time. Believing that mere men hold the ability to create ‘rights’ indicates the sort of hubris dispersed throughout the entire democratic party.

Michael

March 21st, 2010
9:15 pm

Maybe govt hates small business because they don’t always pay their taxes. Better to put them out of business so they have to get a job with a bigger company that will steal the OASDI directly from their paychecks.

Michael

March 21st, 2010
9:18 pm

Yes, Obama caused the Wall Street failure and the resulting bailouts. Repukes were great at blaming Jimmy Carter for things that were going wrong 20 yrs later. Then they blamed Clinton during the Bush years. Now they have two wars and a Wall Street failure during the Bush Administration and they say it’s Obama’s fault. At least when they’re not saying it’s Clinton’s fault.

Needabailout, too!

March 21st, 2010
9:19 pm

I don’t understand how the ‘outraged’ chicken little’s continue to claim that we can’t afford this ‘trillion-dollar’ program. There isn’t a trillion dollar impact/addition onto our deficit tonight after this bill passes. Through time (4 years)we will have been funding the implementation of this program, well in advance of any receipts due. Yeah, the abolition of slavery was hard to accept in 1865. Medicare was hard to swallow, and Civil Rights was a bitter pill, too. They all made us a better nation, although many couldn’t see it then.

GaRepub

March 21st, 2010
9:24 pm

Michael – Where did Wal mart start? A small business named “Walton’s Five and Dime” IBM was founded in 1896 as the Tabulating Machine Company[8] by Herman Hollerith, in Broome County, New York a small business. Michael, there are more small business in this country than there are Fortune 500. If it was not for small business none of the big companies would exist now. Tomorrow, ask your boss how the company you work for started. I bet you it started , or is, a small business. By the way, I just paid my corporate and personal income taxes last week. I pay double the taxes you pay. IF you have a college education use it, if not get one.

The time is near

March 21st, 2010
9:27 pm

12 trillon in debt;8 trillon in loans to other countries.If it cost just one billion more for health care over the next ten years, that is one billion to much. The country is in trouble and our chicken little outlook is a call for help to save our nation.

Michael

March 21st, 2010
9:28 pm

I own/run a small business. I think you miss my point because you are bent on objecting to anything. I think big govt wants everyone working for Walmart so they can get the tax money from your check before you can get your hands on it. Whether it’s for state tax, oasdi, fica, and soon — health.

Uncle Joe Liberty

March 21st, 2010
9:35 pm

I come from a long line of those (pre-Revolutionary through Vietnam) who fought to preserve what makes this country great. I’m talking about the Constitutional rights of free speech, freedom of religion, the right to arm oneself (yeah I can already see the silly liberal plays on words), the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of true happiness. Sadly, we have/are loosing many of these rights and exchanging them for the right to steal our neighbors goods, be obnoxious, sexually deviant and murder our own children. If I were a healthy man and could serve my country’s military I would not, because I could not defend that for which this country now stands. It is particularly painful to pay unjust taxes because of how the proceeds are misused by selfish, egotistical men who frequently make careers out of wasting our money. Of course, if I don’t pay my taxes, I’ll be escorted to jail at the point of a gun (and our ancestors had problem with a tea tax). Granted there still are some that earned their wealth and went to Washington to serve us instead of theirselves.

Too many in this country believe that the federal government is supposed to provide for their every need. Here’s a revelation…. WE are supposed to provide for our needs. I’m not talking about the disabled here. There is only one reason Mr. Obama is staking his presidency on this healthcare scheme – to exert control over our lives. I cannot understand why everyone does not realize this fact. This little man has his own twisted notion of how our country should be…. he learned it from his collegiate mentors. He really believes he is privy to a superior insight into how government should work, but he has no real, honest life experience (or humility). He IS black (or at least dark tan). Racist folk think that should account for something (or apparently everything).

say what?

March 21st, 2010
9:36 pm

$1 trillion over 10 years, and is 4 years away, then I guess that we can plan to cut expenses elsewhere. what I would want in this bill is to do away with the medical bureau that is not government owned, but funded by insurers and it is a business. they make money on your doctor and isnurance company keeping up with your medical use and diagnosis’. the information is then used to create a profile of who you are as a person worthy of a job, along with your criminal and credit histories. Where is the uproar on this? Or does it matter because the medical bureau is a business making millions?

@It is about debt, were you this loud about the invasion of Iraq, and our continuos occupation of Iraq though GB said mission accomplished? that costs more money that what is being spent over 10 years for the people of the UNITED states. sounds as if the 2nd civil war is about to come to the UNITED States.

Ron

March 21st, 2010
9:36 pm

Is that an assumption, or do you know what Michael pays? This conversation(I use that word loosely) has gotten nasty. Let’s just wait and see what happens and talk Braves to loosen up. At any rate, I’m gone. Have a great night.

GaRepub

March 21st, 2010
9:36 pm

I too own/run a small business. I apologize that I did miss your point. You are right about big govt. But they want everyone to work for big govt and not private enterprise. Since you own/run a small business you are aware of the taxes that we pay. Unfortunately there are many on this post who do not understand this. I am not bent on objecting on anything. I am afraid for this country and our children and grandchildren. This bill will only add to the unemployment and the deficit that we can never pay for. Again, apologizes if I miss ed you point.

Sue

March 21st, 2010
9:39 pm

My husband & I created a company out of thin air, created products that were helpful to companies, employed over a hundred people, paid lots of taxes, joined the BBB and Chamber of Commerce. Our payrolls ebbed & flowed with the good & bad times over 23 years. Recently, bad times, lower payrolls and finally just the 2 of us. Now the health insurance company we have been with for almost 20 years, already charging us $1500/mo for the 2 of us (w/$2500 deductibles each) has informed us of a 65% rate increase. That’s another $375 a month each, and now over $2200/month. We played by Republican rules – created business, paid taxes, created wealth. This is how we are repaid during a recession. The Republicans are in the pockets of BIG business and we will now vote Democratic and work to elect anyone other than a Republican. They only care about lining their pockets and if they have to create riots by their far right wing, they will. I can think of nothing good to say about them, and that is really sad coming from a business owner.

Mich

March 21st, 2010
9:45 pm

Oh, dear, Sue…sounds like you haven’t been such a great business owner if you’re blaming Republicans for increased insurance costs. You might want to examine it a little further. Econ 101. To start, when taxes go up, productivity goes down. There are other things at stake here rather than just blaming Republicans or Democrats. See how well your business does when insurance costs are completely mandated by the government. You’ll be wishing for the old days.

Alicia

March 21st, 2010
9:45 pm

LET’S BAN TOGETHER AND VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT!!!!!!!!! WE SHALL IMPOSE OUR OWN TERM LIMITS. REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS…VOTE THEM ALL OUT. TERM LIMITS BY OUR OWN HANDS!!!!!!!!!!

Voter always

March 21st, 2010
9:52 pm

Hey Nathan- Your opposition to the HC bill just solidifies my intent to vote for you for governor. We need conservative values in our leaders. For those liberals out there, and in response to some of their inane comments, why don’t we also provide housing for everyone who claims poverty, or otherwise does not contribute to the system?

BW

March 21st, 2010
9:58 pm

BW is a moron…..I keep trying to figure out why one has to own a business to figure out that if you don’t make more than you spend you go out of business, I work and have always worked in the private sector. I went to school, got an engineering degree, and continue to improve myself. Every employer, small or large, is debating whether or not to cut payroll. The real question is whether your skill set will keep you employed in a sector that will be in demand regardless of the state of economy. But I refuse to believe that you’re going to hire someone because of a tax credit rather than actual demand for your product. By the way health-care does affect your bottom line so instead of just demonizing what is on the table propose actual fixes to it instead this scare tactic BS. To me there’s a simple problem…college grads are nowhere as bad off as non-college grads in this or any recession. The key has always been education but along the way one should be able to improve themselves. At day’s end this country as so many of you proclaim is the greatest country on earth and I guarantee that we will survive this unscathed. Good God…the manufacturer of Depends ought to be making a killing off you **ssies.

Sue

March 21st, 2010
10:09 pm

Oh, dear, Mich…sounds like you’ve been listening to too much Limbaugh and Beck. The Republicans allowed the insurance and banking industries to go wild for 8 years, no regulation or oversight. You obviously don’t know a thing about Small Business 101. Perhaps if you would cut back on your Fox News and start paying attention to what is actually happening to small business in the US today, you wouldn’t be so condescending or frankly, stoopid. The Republican administration for the previous 8 years trashed the country. The Democrats have their own baggage. And those of us “playing by the rules” have gotten trounced. By the way, the level of greed in the business world has never been higher. And no, greed is NOT good. Btw, have you ever started a company, created a product that is used worldwide by companies of all sizes, made a payroll or done anything except draw a paycheck?

old Hippie

March 21st, 2010
10:14 pm

Dr Price, I don’t trust my doctor NOW! When he gets freebies from the health insurers, has financial ties to the hospitals and drug companies, and is so scared sh*tless that he might make a mistake that he orders unnecessary tests to make sure he gets reimbursed by the insurance companies.

What passes tonight is only a beginning to reforming this screwed up healthcare system.

Mr. W.

March 21st, 2010
10:23 pm

It is amazing to see the range of comments on here and people fight the fact that there are those that want all industries at the lone mercy of the market, aka capitalism, when truth be told, if that were the solution, then the government would not have to intervene. Everyone would have some level of coverage and not have to be sanctioned and monitored, even if it were only a basic see the doctor twice a year and two emergencies, but its all about the green bottom line, not the health and well-being of the people. Insurance companies would charge rates that let them profit, but also put things in place to help their costs remain low- mandated exams, yearly screenings or something, but then again, they profit from people’s lack of discipline. The same goes for hospitals and healthcare providers. More people should be able to get check-ups at Publix/Walgreens to keep them out of the hospitals. That is where the huge charges are. I was deathly ill and ended up using my dad’s insurance, which paid $94k of a $96k bill. Now, when those who cant afford care, regardless of how they got sick are in this situation, where does the money come from? All of the other tax payers and insured people, myself included. Its the same reason auto insurance was mandated. If people would take better care of themselves, they would go to the doctor less, but that is another story. Its not like mandating the food supply is a bad thing, oh wait, some selfish right wing, “ulta-conservative, typically Repubican” person will come along and say we are taking away his/her freedom. Thats crap. The only freedom being changed is the freedom of the poor to be excluded from the system and my hard earned taxpayer dollars paying for it. I salue President Obama for having the gall, guts, and gusto to see this through. I know its not perfect, but its a place to start. We can continue to fix it along the way, if people would stop thinking about only themselves and their immediate families and seek to compromise so that more can have access, which from economics 101, will lower the price for everyone. I dont mind paying a little bit more to help others fix things. Remember, places for the poor and indigent like Grady in Atlanta or Cook County Hospital in Chicago are in trouble for many of these people being unable to pay for any of the received services.

Mr. W.

March 21st, 2010
10:29 pm

By the way, according to the original article, how does this bill affect the doctor patient relationship? The government is not regulating which doctor you go to, but the fact that you can HAVE a doctor if you’ve never had one. Maybe I’m reading things wrong.

Suki

March 21st, 2010
11:07 pm

The bill passed, like it should have. No thanks to the Republicans of Georgia. That is why Georgia loses everything. They are on the losing side of everything.

BW

March 21st, 2010
11:10 pm

Sorry guys…this thing is law…deal with it

Elliot Garcia

March 21st, 2010
11:17 pm

And how do you propose that the state of Georgia pay for everything now required in the new bill? The last time I checked Georgia already had a huge budget deficit along with the majority of other states….nothing in this world is free and it is time you accepted that freeloaders!!

Elliot Garcia

March 21st, 2010
11:18 pm

Mr. W, if you are still relying on daddy, then you have no idea what it is like in the real world…