John Barrow a no, Sanford Bishop a yes on health care

My AJC colleague Bob Keefe in Washington says John Barrow and Sanford Bishop, the two remaining fence-sitters from Georgia, will split their votes on health care.

Said Barrow:

“I am strongly in favor of reforming the health care system, but I don’t think this bill is going to do it, and therefore I can’t support it,” Barrow said in a statement. “It puts too much of the burden of paying for it on working folks who are already being overcharged, and that’s not fair. It threatens to overwhelm Medicaid in Georgia, and that’s not right. And it barely touches the insurance companies, and that’s not smart.”

Said Bishop:

“Unfortunately I think that my constituents are split right down the middle, so in a sense I’m dammed if I do, damned if I don’t,” Bishop said in an interview.

“If I’m going to be dammed, I want to be damned on the side of the angels, on the side of what I think will be an obligation as a Christian to take care of the least of (us) and to make sure people are treated fairly,” he said.

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March 19th, 2010
5:53 pm

Sunami

March 19th, 2010
5:55 pm

Ironic that a christian obligation is supporting an anti-christian, anti-american leader

Joan

March 19th, 2010
5:56 pm

Bishop votes for it, but doesn’t think it will work. Well, if you throw enough money at anything it may work, but it will work inefficiently as all Government programs work. It will get Democrats re-elected since the illegals will be given amnesty by November. But since insurance companies only make 3% profit, and Coke makes about 18% how come they are so demonized? And what does this bill do to cut costs? I know it cuts back Medicare payments. That just means more doctors won’t take Medicare patients. I guess that is a way to cut costs. But you all will be old someday and if you are for this you will get what you deserve in the way of healthcare–precisely nothing.

meb

March 19th, 2010
6:00 pm

Sunami, how is this President anti-christian? or anti-american? Your claims are baseless.

todd

March 19th, 2010
6:00 pm

There is a hole in Obama’s soul that is a result of his upbringing outside the US. He cannot possibly understand what it means to be a true American and hold dear what the rest of us do regarding our beloved country. That is why he is hell bent to destroy it. We will not sit idly by and let him and his cronies ruin what our forefathers took 250 years to build. The revolution is at hand.

Sunshine

March 19th, 2010
6:03 pm

Michael

March 19th, 2010
6:03 pm

Insurance companies make that profit by denying care. When a can of Coke will save your life, people will be just as high-strung over it.

To cut costs, the bill includes the insurance mandate that will get more people paying for health care. It will also insure 30 million more people who won’t just go to emergency rooms for major things and then not be able to afford it. An ounce of cure is worth a pound of prevention. So insurance companies and/or hospitals won’t have to charge the insured more to cover indigents.

I don’t think anybody thinks the reform bill is perfect, but as Obama said, “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

lou

March 19th, 2010
6:07 pm

todd, sunami, and sunshine– you are truly misinfomed.. i feel sorry you feel that way about our President..

Icenupe

March 19th, 2010
6:11 pm

To Sunshine, Sunami and Todd, you have absolutely NOTHING to base your claims about our President. What planet are you living on?? Stop hiding behind baseless claims and admit the problem isn’t the message, but the flesh of the messenger. Where were all of you when Pres. Bush V.P.Cheney took this country to the brink of disaster? Where was your outrage? Todd where was your revolution then?

True Blue American

March 19th, 2010
6:14 pm

I am never surprised by the number of stupid people with access to a computer. “Hell bent to destroy it.” An “anti-christian, anti-American leader”. No wonder the U.S. is so economically and spiritually weak.

Betty

March 19th, 2010
6:14 pm

No one in Amercia should be without health care…we pride ourselves on being the richest country in the world- in many ways… where in fact and reality, we are a bunch of hypocrites… I work everyday and know many people who are self -employed and cannot afford health care. Personally, I pay for both private insurance and medicare premiums for my 19 year old daughter who received a kidney transplant in November 2008. I worry what will happen to her when she can no longer be on my insurance- since she has a pre-exisitng condition, what insurance will cover her? She will have to take medicine for the rest of her life- one prescription for a 30 day supply is $1100.00 and a second prescription for a thirty day supply is $1459.00…. these are just two of the five prescription drugs that she must take daily- to live. We recently swithced health insurance companies because my previous insurance company was removed as an option effective January. The “Brand” drugs that my daughter received under my previous carrier are not an option under the new carrier…. and we are trying to get the insurance company to cover the drugs that she needs and that her body is used to having… Medicare won’t cover these drugs either-

The health insurance companies need to be more closely regulated- before we switched to the new insurance company, I did my homework and was led to believe that the drugs my daughter needed were available and would not be a problem- i.e., covered by insurance. I pray that healthcare reform passes… for those of us who have a need for insurance.

Coop

March 19th, 2010
6:16 pm

Barrow makes some arguments based on logic; he votes against. Bishop votes yes based on what he “feels” is right – his Christian obligation. GAG! He gets paid to read the bill that no one else can read and base his decision on fact – one way or another. Vote his rear end out of office if this is the best that he can come up with.

Courtney

March 19th, 2010
6:17 pm

The state legislature needs to gerrymander Bishop, Lewis, and Johnson into the same district. We can call it the Welfare Queens.

Sunami

March 19th, 2010
6:17 pm

there were 20 million illegal alliens in 2004. 4 million crossed the boarder in 2002. Now where do you think the pound of prevention is best spent? What’s going to happen when those 22+ million are now allowed to vote? Our politicians are going give us the old “no habla engles”…

Coop

March 19th, 2010
6:19 pm

BTW. Those insurance profits you state – 3%. Take all the insurance companies profits combined and they equal 1/7 the amount of fraud within the Medicaid program! And you think that our government is going to run Healthcare better? What government program is run efficient now?

Drew

March 19th, 2010
6:20 pm

As usual, Bishop is right and Barrow is a coward.

JAM

March 19th, 2010
6:21 pm

Uh Todd, Hawaii is part of the US.

Sandy Spring For Roy Barnes

March 19th, 2010
6:25 pm

Vote barrow out of the office. The republicans are not for the American people I hope Barrow dont get sick badly.

todd

March 19th, 2010
6:27 pm

Uh Jam – Indonesia isn’t last time I checked. True Blue American you are absolutely right about stupid people and computers and you are the proof. Fortunately you are in the minority and will be defeated.

Michael

March 19th, 2010
6:27 pm

No one in this country should be without a 50″ HDTV; it provides happiness and, as many doctors will agree, happiness helps keep us healthy. Will Obama please see that everybody is treated equally when it comes to having the big wide screens? I want one in every room of my doublewide.

Michael

March 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

Betty, if the bill is signed into law, I believe your daughter will be OK. She won’t be able to be denied due to a pre-existing condition at some point, but I forget when. I think it might be in six months. Kids 18 and younger can’t be denied for that even sooner, maybe at three months. Your daughter will also be able to stay on your plan until she’s 26. Unfortunately the whole shebang of the health care exchanges won’t kick in until 2014, but some protections will come in very soon. Your best bet is to keep up with the news as the bill goes through Congress and then keep in touch with a doctor.

Icenupe

March 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

Sunami, I recall a President named Bush in office during the years of 2000-2008 what does that have to do with your claims of Pres. Obama being Anti-Christian and Anti-American? It’s been one year in office and the issue of illegal immigrants is being addressed so what’s your point? I guess WWII, earthquake in Haiti, 9/11, Vietnam, Great Depression, etc. was all Obama’s fault too right?

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 19th, 2010
6:29 pm

The republicans are in overload with their lies and propaganda. It WILL pass, the shrill in their whining is evidence of such. God Bless President Barack Obama. He is appealing to our better angels, only those of the devil condemn him. How Christian is it to deny millions health care?
How come every other industrialized nation can provide healthcare to ALL their citizens and cheaper prices for prescriptions than the USA despite the fact that WE MADE THEM IN USA??!! Hello??!!??!!! I’ll tell you why. Because politicians have been in bed with the crooked insurance companies for years. Change is coming, like it or not. Jesus healed the sick…didn’t tell them to “get a job” “don’t touch my money”. You people who defend war at any price ($2 trillion and counting)
to occupy other countries and give Iraq AND Afghanistan people fre healthcare, infrastructure at US taxpayer expense …but not OUR OWN citizens? I don’t have to ask “what would Jesus do?”
I know what he would do…and it would not be what the immoral minority is doing.

RGB

March 19th, 2010
6:31 pm

I agree with Sunami and Todd.

There is abundant evidence to support their statements, but one has to remove his ideological blinders to see it.

As I told my congressman:

The shameless parliamentary chicanery that you and your colleagues have used to attempt to pass this legislation includes:
•Applying 10 years of higher taxes to 6 years of “benefits” and declaring the legislation “pays for itself.”
•Using the Congressional Budget Office’s “preliminary” evaluation to attempt to convince Americans the bill is fiscally sound when it is not.
•Erroneously declaring that individuals satisfied with their own doctors and insurance can keep them.
•Cutting secret backroom deals with members to buy their votes.
•Applying the so-called “Slaughter Solution” to enact legislation without even voting on it.

I omitted the point about the taxpayer funding of abortions. With 50 million abortions and counting, that not only is inconsistent with Christian teachings but it is literally anti-human. While we are on the subject, Biblical principles include not only the idea of not killing the unborn, but also paying for one’s debts within the generation the debt was incurred. That also is an American principle.

So not only is this bill inconsistent with Biblical and American principles, it is also bad health care policy. The truth is that blacks will suffer from this policy more than most because they are more obese and have poorer health habits than Americans as a whole. Look it up on the CDC web site. I did. Greater rationing of medical services will hurt black people disproportionately.

It is ironic that a black congressman (actually all black congressmen) would vote for legislation that places their constituents not only at greater risk for their health, but also greater risk economically. With Georgia’s unemployment rate of 10.3%, this bill will further hurt the economy and this country will likely never recover. Health reform is the new slavery.

This time they went over the line.

Icenupe

March 19th, 2010
6:31 pm

Hey Todd, are you a Veteran? Mr. Captain America. Obama graduated high school in Hawaii. Was he in Indonesia at some period of his life? Yes. Is he an American citizen born on American soil? YES!

RGB

March 19th, 2010
6:36 pm

…and as everyone knows, the Constitution states that one does not have to be born in this country to be elected president, he only needs to have graduated from high school in Hawaii. Sheesh.

Welcome to 1984 (they won’t get that one either).

LOL

VotedForMcCain

March 19th, 2010
6:40 pm

The Democrats are urinating on the graves of our founding fathers and defecating on the Constitution of the United States. The children and grandchildren of the people who voted for Obama will one day curse your memory.

Paul Barrow

March 19th, 2010
6:43 pm

Once Sanford votes yes for the bill, I hope that I am first in line to announce my intention to run against him. (p.s. I will run as a Democrat)

German Shepherd Dawg

March 19th, 2010
6:46 pm

To give from your own pocket is charity and noble.

To take from the pocket of another and give it to another is socialist and ignoble.

ThisIsMyName

March 19th, 2010
6:47 pm

I find the anti-American, anti-Christian viewpoints spouted by some of the posters here (todd, Sunami, RGB) downright frightening. I have yet to hear a single logical reason against health care reform that uses *facts* to make a point (reasons why this bill isn’t perfect, sure; reform in general, not so far), so I can only assume that the lack of ability to think logically and express oneself intelligently is somehow related to the fact that the “Christian right” are completely uninformed on what Christianity is all about.

I would suggest that some of these posters try reading a Bible and the bill, but both are obviously WAY over their heads.

Icenupe

March 19th, 2010
6:48 pm

RGB, I am a Christian. I am also a Black American. I am also a Veteran. I find it hilarious when people such as yourself can tell us everything and every meaning in 2-3 thousand pages of documents in a room you aren’t privy to having a discussion and tell us all how this will affect all of us financially, quality of care, and most ignorantly how it will affect Black Americans as opposed to obese Americans in general. God does not give you a spirit of fear. All of this “sky is falling” rhetoric does not fall in line with the Saviour I believe in. Being bold in your faith requires being bold in the face of adversity. Walk in boldness, not in fear.

Cmcc

March 19th, 2010
6:51 pm

Most all people want reform in our health care system but with our economy in the tank its the most insane thing to witness watching the Dems take this on at the present time making promises based on “projected” figures from the CBO officials who themselves say their figures are not iron clad promises our deficit will be diminished. Their projections are based on government being responsible over the next two decades and reforming Medicare (JOKE). But all you who want to drink the Kool-aid you’re being asked to drink for the same of the Democratic party – DRINK ON…enjoy the taste as it goes down and jump up and down with glee and arrogance when it passes. When the nation goes into bankruptcy because of it hope it tastes as good then too. Memo to the Democratic party – your sorry backsides are going to be held accountable come November for your arrogance and disregard for public opinion on this. I hope the American people have gotten a really good feel for this left-wing agenda we’re seeing pushed down our throats. That too stops in November! The revolution has begun and I pray its not too late! As far as Bishop goes- the side he claims he’s taking is not on the side of angels – its on the side of liars. crony politicians and socialists parading as American Congressmen. I hope Georgians show him in November whose side we’re taking too!

Sick of Georgia

March 19th, 2010
6:55 pm

RGB,

You wrote a long comment with so many falsehoods, forget falsehoods, you and everybody else knows that are all out lies, that the Republicans have feed you. Examples of your lies, CBO put out the numbers yesterday, showing the cost and the savings over 2 decades. Abortions will not be paid with federal funds in this bill.

I’m sure you had no problem with your legislators voting for the Medicare Part D drug plan, that add to the deficit. You had no problem with the Bush 1 and 2 tax cuts to the rich. Most of all, you had no problem with paying for two wars that never should have been started. RGB those things are what made the deficit. Remember your beloved President Bush inherited a budget surplus, but it took him and his Republican Senate and Congress less than two years to turn that surplus to a deficit.

If you are going to post, then post the truth and not the lies you have been feed and swallowed whole.

Kim

March 19th, 2010
7:04 pm

Go to hell Todd. You don’t what the hell you are talking about. This country belong to all of us, not just you. Who do you people think you are? You don’t own America.

Nick

March 19th, 2010
7:05 pm

I tried to email Barrow’s office and it wouldn’t accept my email because I don’t live in his district. What a disappointment. You make a decision like this and then don’t want to here from the people of your state. Shame on you Congressman.

Ginny

March 19th, 2010
7:11 pm

Do you know what the best, most effective health care policy is right now? How about full time employment? Caterpillar industries, located in the struggling Midwest, announced today that if this bill passes, they are looking at an IMMEDIATE $100 million loss. Where do you think they are going to make up that revenue? BY CUTTING JOBS!!!!

Do you want some Washington Bureaucrat to tell you what medications you can and can’t take based upon some chart? ANd don’t tell me it won’t happen. It will and it does. Ask anyone from Great Britain how well their system works. Their survival rates from breast cancer are considerable lower. Why? Because you have to wait so frickin’ long for treatment. And when your grandmother needs a hip replacement, forget it!

What the CBO numbers DON’T show is that this thing is paid for over 10 years. You get no benefits until year 4 (how’d you like to pay for a car for four years before you can drive it) It becomes insolvent in the 10th year and it assumes that there is NO doctor fix for Medicare payments and that Congress WILL pass a cadillac tax on Union healthcare plans in 2018. PLUS they are taking about $500 billion out of an already insolvent Social Security system and applying it to this program. Counting those funds TWICE. LOOK AT THE DAMN BILL! Creative accounting Democrat style

If this is such a great plan, why do they need to hire an additional 1,700 IRS agents to enforce it? Business can’t afford this. The taxes are going to be astronomical and families will have to pay much hirer premiums, but we should all bend over and take it because San Fran Nan and Obama say so.

And let’s not even discuss the Constitutional issues here, because if everybody FEELS like it is the right thing to do, then the hell with the Constitution.

I can’t frickin wait for November.

John

March 19th, 2010
7:19 pm

Bishop knew how he was voting all along. Be on the side of a angle my foot. He is as crooked as they come. He’s from a very large Black district so guess what. He’s slso a liar and I will give money to retire him this year.

Joe

March 19th, 2010
7:23 pm

Ginny…If the damn companies who make millions in this country were not so friggin cheap and money hungry and would offer their employees real benefits you MIGHT have a point. Who gives a flip if Catepillar is looking at losses. Their CEO makes millions and has great health coverage. I work my ass off my company 60 hours a week, but so the owners could make more money and not have to worry about social security and benefits for employees…I’m now a 1099 employee. No benefits…nothing. But do you give a damn about that? Hell nno all you care about is being so pro business you don’t give a rip about what people who actually make that business go need. I was personally responsible for more than half a million in sales for my company last year…and earned a whopping $60K. Who got the rest? Those company owners who are crying about the health care plan. Give me a break…

Joe

March 19th, 2010
7:25 pm

By the way… Thanks you Sanford Bishop and the others who have the fortitude to stand up to lying republicans on this. Hopefully there are enough people in Congress with a little bit of backbone to stand up to the stupid people who don’t have a clue. Barrow and the other Dems who are listening to the stupidity being spouted by the republicans should just go away.

cathie

March 19th, 2010
7:36 pm

wish we did not have to have this bill but unfortunately big business and greedy doctors have forced it on us all. Sorry nobody is worth what my doctor charges for a simple office visit.

Maybe this bill will allow some small businesses to attract the kind of talent that only the fortune 500 have had access to because of the issues of health care coverage. I for one am celebrating simply because I will be freed to work for a small company in a job I love rather that having to be a corporate slave because I need medical coverage.

cathie

March 19th, 2010
7:45 pm

Joe, you and I are on the same page, Ginny is an idiot, if CAT is worried about losses, cut executive pay, my company (in the same industry as CAT) reacted to the recession by lowering prices, cutting territories, and increasing quota, oh yes and by getting rid of older employees who were about to reach full vesting for retirement

I lost my house.

todd

March 19th, 2010
7:48 pm

Those of you who are in your little AJC liberal world have no idea how angry most Americans are with your socialist ideology and what is soon coming your way. The American Revolution was fought for far less tyranny than what we are facing today. It is going to get ugly very soon. Maybe I will see you in hell Kim.

Rafe Hollister

March 19th, 2010
7:49 pm

Sick of Georgia, my suggestion is move! Just slow down when you get to Alabama on I-20, apparently the road is in bad shape on the AL side of the river. We would not want you to get hurt and need medical attention. If the Doctor found out you were Librul Obamanite, he might have something come up at home that required his attention.

Buford Sowega

March 19th, 2010
7:54 pm

Well this Bubba hopes this bill passes. True, it’s not perfect, but it is a start. The CBO numbers make sense, even if it’s not the biggest reduction we want

Why is it that when asked about each individual part of this bill, folks like it, but they say they’re against the whole measure? Illogical.

If you hear folks listening to AFN radio and other junk like that, tell them to “Turn that Taliban crap off!”

Jennifer

March 19th, 2010
7:56 pm

Shame on you John Barrow.

my f150 gets 16mpg and my .45 holds 14 rounds

March 19th, 2010
8:08 pm

Dont celebrate too much cathie. I know its fun to steal, but you will not be allowed to feed at the public teat as much as you might think. The repubs will fight this with lawsuits and delay tactics, then roll the dems in november.

If they get the house- clowntime is over. And unless they run sara p or a doddering old man i.e Dole-Mcain ,Obozo is toast.

Dems have opened the door for one party- process rule. Gonna be funny when the repubs ram a right wing-bible thumper, ultra conservitive agenda thu using reconncilliation.

Good luck cathie- hope you can find a good union doctor real soon.

RW

March 19th, 2010
8:09 pm

Sanford Bishop, come November! You’re done. You idiot.

Buford Sowega

March 19th, 2010
8:13 pm

Sanford Bishop has always done fantastic by South Georgia. I’ll still vote for him. I know a lot of other folks who will also. White folks. Believe that ‘pubs!

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Freedom

March 19th, 2010
8:15 pm

Betty, I feel sorry that your daughter has medical problems. And I agree, these are the people the government should be helping. But to reform the entire system is crazy to help a few people. How can any business survive, whether it be private insurance or govenment funded healthcare when they know they will be paying out almost $2500 a month just for two prescriptions for your daughter? And the govenment is not a business, but you and me and every American that is paying for your daughter’s prescriptions and medical care. The real problem is not the insurance companies, but the cost of medcal care. Why should two prescriptions cost $2500/month? when they get medical expenses under control, the the cost of insuring will come down. They are going after the wrong “evil”. It is not the insurance companies, but the cost of medical expenses.