Your morning jolt: Senators praise Scientology volunteers

The statement made by the Senators about the Scientology ministers has little bases in reality. First it only takes one course to become a minister in Scientology. The course takes about five days but I know a person who did it in four. There aren’t 203,000 Scientologists world wide let alone that many people who have taken the ministers course and are going to disaster sites. I don’t know when L.Ron is said to have created the volunteer ministers but he wasn’t doing much thirty years ago except hiding. His wife was indited 32 years ago along with other Scientologists and eventually was sentenced to five years in the slammer. L.Ron was named as an unindited coconspirator and went into hiding for the rest of his life. Of course running from the law and creating a public relations sham for a cult are not mutually exclusive. Still, I think it was someone else’s idea. Hubbard went back to writing bad science fiction novels.

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Time to furlough all of the democrats, and also not elect Oxendufus.

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Time to furlough all democrats and most republicans. Start with the most senior.

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Be very careful as to whom and what you are giving praises too. They may as well gave praises to Satan.

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Can the Congress US and GA, being doing something more productive? I vote that no more ‘thankyoubills’ and time to honor people be taken until we get out the Great Recession. I also vote for a year round Congress. I work year round, why can’t my elected officials. Stop worrying about Scientology and start working on healthcare, jobs, and the 25 wars we are apparently in.

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When you see a politician associating with Scientology, you know the politician is one of three things, or all three:

1. Easily deceived with very poor judgment.
2. Star struck.
3. Taking a payoff or hefty contribution from the cult, like Jeff Stone in California, as shown by investigations by KESQ’s Nathan Baca.

Just spending an hour looking into what Scientology is really about, is chilling and obvious. Lots of politicians do not have the time to spend doing that hour of research. That’s why their constituency needs to do it for them.

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“These elected officials are deluded goobers. The Scientologists themselves have admitted their “volunteer ministers” are nothing more than cynical attempts to exploit disasters by sending in people to proselytize the victims in their time of distress.”

Isn’t that exactly what “mainstream” Christian missionaries do?

Remember this old African proverb: “When Europeans arrived, we had the gold and they had the Bible. When Europeans left, they had the gold and we had the Bible.”

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No different than commending evangelicals. This country was founded on the freedom of religion. I won’t practice it if I don’t like it. End of story.

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The comments above about the Scientology Volunteer Ministers are lies. We are not in Haiti to promote our religion,we are there to help only. Regarding 9/11 our group was the only one allowed by rescue workers to be down in the actual site. I was at VA Tech and on the weekend following the awful event, the VM’s were the only group allowed to be on campus from friday until sunday at noon. Why ?? Because we HELPED with the needs of those who were there,not promoting us, but doing what needed to be done for those affected . Those groups excluded the Red Cross , all Christian churches and of course the Media. Another fact: the entire VM course is at least 40-50 hours of course room time. The assists course which is a small part of the whole takes only a few hours total do. Check out Scientology for yourself don’t take my word. Read a book by it’s founder,take a course (You can take the entire VM course online for Free) the website for the Church is http://www.scientology.org and for the VM site go to: www. volunteerminister.org

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Also, in response to Larry, the former No. 2 man at the COS, marty rathbun has a blog that can be found on google wherein he addresses, at length, the efforts of the volunteer ministers to recruit at disaster sites– everything good is window dressing.

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There’s another candidate for state school superintendent jumping in the race. Get details at: http://www.BackroomReport.com

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Re: Tim P. comments, I’ve been a Scientologist for 23 years and have not heard the name Marty Rathbun. The statement about starting a religion is not from Mr. Hubbard, there are no audio, video or writing by him that makes that statement . The first time I heard it was from a leader of a “white only church”,in Tampa Fla. I personally know several gay and many members of our church through-out this country who are non- white. We are all spiritual beings the fact that we have a body doesn’t change that at all.
Oh and by the way LRH wrote in many different genres SF was not the one he wrote in the most. There are over 240 million words written by him on the religion, 3000 recorded lectures all about his research on life and how to apply the data he found during that research. If you actually use it as it is written and it works then it must be true. Have you looked in a good dictionary for the definition of the word cult?

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@Larry

If you’ve never heard the name Marty Rathbun, then you absolutely know NOTHING about the organization that calls itself the Church of Scientology. To put it into Hubbardian terms, you’ve got one HELL of a misunderstood. Why don’t you do as Hubbard commands and look up the definition of the person that is, Marty Rathbun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rathbun

I think it’ll enlighten you, and the public you don’t want educated.

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@Larry

Who wants their “mind blown out” and replaced with Scientology garbage. Your leader David Miscavige is a high school dropout. Hubbard flunked out of college, pretended he was a “nuclear physicist and medical doctor” and Dianetics was first published in a pulp called Astounding Science Fiction.

Get a clue! You people are the lunatic fringe, and following a leader and beliefs which haven’t evolved because you froze it as SOURCE with Hubbard’s ramblings, and must swallow EVERYTHING from DC-8s 75 million years ago, to Xenu when you’ve paid up the hundreds of thousands to get that far. Read the stories of ex-members, who have been in the cult for years. They can’t all be liars like you are lying to yourself.

Marty Rathbun was the number two person in Scientology for years, David Miscavige’s right hand man and pictured in your internal propaganda magazines for years.Now you’re are pretending you’ve never heard of him? What’s next, pretending you’ve never heard of David Miscavige or L. Ron Hubbard and your minds are being run by an implant from another ga-LAX-y?

Get yourself together Scientology space cadets, and rebel! Look for the truth, beyond the abusive policies and contradictory gibberish written by Hubbard.

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Marty (Mark) Rathbun fully lived up to his status as #2 in the cult. When Miscavige beat his underlings, and fostered a culture of violence, Marty went right along with it, and slapped and punched underlings too, but then it ALL GOT TO BE TOO MUCH.

Of course, few Scilons below the upper executives witnessed these beatings. All this is ONLY PART of why Scientology needs to step up their Volunteer Minister program, from getting in the way, and passing out the supplies of others (which they still do), to finally doing something of substance, like transporting some doctors to Haiti.

The thing is, it is too late for Scientology to repair their image, like Tom Cruise tried to repair his by apologizing to Brooke Shields. Scientology can’t just go on Oprah and get cheers from the public. The public is learning ALL ABOUT Scientology, without having to sign up for courses, or go through hell and mind control themselves.

Even people who love Cruise and Travolta as actors, are finding out the cult they are in, for non-celebrities, is a horror of deception, greed, and false promises.

There is no “clear” as defined by Hubbard. And there are no super powers.

If “touch assists” take only a few minutes to learn, and they really work miracles, why wouldn’t everyone do them?

You have to be brainwashed in Scientology to believe in their super powers, and not one Scientologist has ever demonstrated one, scientifically or even informally. You need to go through rigorous brainwashing first before you believe in these things.

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I love how you morons just attack Scientology without doing any research first, you just believe what other people who dislike Scientology tell you.

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Scientology is not welcome in NYC if another terrorist attack happens!!! Below is an ACTUAL news report regarding the cult’s REAL activities after 9/11……..

Also notice at the end of the article that the politician that was promoting them WAS CANNED. Let that be a LESSON to Donzella James of College Park, Horacena Tate of Atlanta, and Valencia Seay of Riverdale.

Article from FoxNews.com by Roger Friedman on December 22, 2006 regarding Scientology’s efforts after 9/11

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238238,00.html

Tom Cruise Can’t Put Out These Fires

Tom Cruise — recently voted as creepier than ever in a Gallup poll, has lost a lot of fans. Chief among them: The New York Fire Department.

I’m told that the bad feeling toward Cruise stems from his attempt to bring Scientology into the department. His crusade began shortly after 9/11 and was briefly documented in the papers here.

The gist of it was that Cruise himself arrived and began to offer “detox programs” to firemen who had respiratory problems. The detoxing, he said, was developed by Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, a dead science fiction writer. Of course, the real goal was to grab new members for Scientology. Apparently, the group had some success. According to my sources in the FDNY, several firefighters not only joined Scientology but left their families in the process.

“They told the firefighters that they’d been unhappy in their lives before 9/11 and that they should leave,” said a higher up in the department who spoke to me recently. “Cruise is responsible.”

Cruise and Scientology dubbed their program “New York Rescue Workers Detoxificiation Project.” They got tax-free status for it, too, and used a California CPA named Roland Fink, who happened to be a Scientologist, to vouch for them in writing as an “independent auditor.”

Fink, according to reports, has coincidentally made the Scientology “honor roll” twice in the last four years.

The result, according to their federal tax filing, is the usual financial roundelay for the IRS-sanctioned religion. In 2004 they raised $1.6 million, nearly all of which went to “expenses.” Of that, $880,000 went to something called Downtown PC. Another $173,300 was funneled back to Dr. Steven Lager of Williston Park, N.Y., a major Scientologist who advocates alternative methods of detoxification.

The detox method is considered to be another name for Scientology’s “purification” program, long in existence before 9/11 and designed to “cleanse” their followers.

How the Scientology detox program raises their money is perhaps even more interesting. As detailed on their Web site, their new fundraising initiative — launched Nov. 1 and set to conclude on May 1, 2007 — reads very much like a pyramid scheme at worst, or Amway at best.

“To reach our goal, we are asking for your help and the help of all New Yorkers. Those who join the campaign as Participants agree to ask 25 of their family, friends and co-workers to donate $5.00 each to the project. When a donation sheet with 25 donors donating a minimum of $5 each is completed and mailed to the project, the Participant will then be entered into a drawing to win a Caribbean Dream Vacation for two to the Atlantis Hotel & Casino in the Bahamas. Participants are encouraged to complete as many donation sheets as they can — each completed sheet qualifies you for another entry in the drawing.”

According to the group’s Web site, at least two New York City firefighters joined Scientology as a result of the detox program. Both Sebastian Rapanti and Joe Higgins offer themselves as case studies for the group on the site. They also appear in pictures with actress Jenna Elfman and her husband, Bodhi Elfman, two avowed Scientologists, from a party at the group’s Hollywood headquarters, some 3,000 miles from their homes and families.

According to the New York Times, Higgins wound up joining Scientology and becoming a paid adviser.

My source within the Fire Department warns that Scientology will not be allowed in again if there’s another terrorist attack. “Our crisis workers weren’t equipped to deal with them last time. They’re ready now,” my source said.

By the way, the Scientology/Detox people should re-designate one of the spokeswomen in their recruitment and fundraising video. Margarita Lopez is no longer a New York City Councilwoman, as she is billed. She is now a Surrogate Court judge in Brooklyn. Her efforts to become Manhattan Borough president in 2005 were blunted when the New York Post reported that she directed hundreds of thousands of city dollars into the controversial detox program after receiving $115,000 in campaign donations from Scientology.

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@mre
“I love how you morons just attack Scientology without doing any research first, you just believe what other people who dislike Scientology tell you.”

Many, many (thousands), speaking out against this cult, were scientologists who fortunately saw it for what it was – a cult. The Vulture Ministers are sent out purely for PR reasons. They do not donate anything. They go off to disaster sites and distribute donations made by others. The only donations they make, are leaflets and booklets aimed at recruiting for the cult.

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Enter your comments here
@mre
“I love how you morons just attack Scientology without doing any research first, you just believe what other people who dislike Scientology tell you.”

Many, many (thousands), speaking out against this cult, were scientologists who fortunately saw it for what it was – a cult. The Vulture Ministers are sent out purely for PR reasons and do not donate anything. They go off to disaster sites and distribute donations made by others. The only donations they make, are leaflets and booklets aimed at recruiting for the cult. The cult members pay for these booklets – not the church. Your leader sees every disaster as a money making opportunity.
To the cultist who claims he’s never heard of Marty Rathbun. He was number two in your church for many, many years – up to 2004 and you’ve never heard of him? Remember Lisa McPherson? He was very heavily involved in the cover up of her death.

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These senators need to do a little legal research on Scientology. They are being Conned.

The goal of the Department is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by high level ability to control and in its absence by low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies. Scientology is the only game on Earth where everybody wins.» — L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL, 15 August 1960, “DEPT OF GOVT AFFAIRS”

Is the Senate being controlled? Each of the Senators need to look beyond the whitewashing by the Churches political lobbying. Maybe churches aren’t permitted to lobby under the Constitution?

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I have to agree with anonsolider on this one Larry– that you cannot name marty rathbun doesn’t sully the facts, it sullies your credibility. If you don’t know who Marty is, at best, you don’t know what the Church of Scientology is doing on any level. Frankly, I think that this is not the case– I think you know who Marty. Which raises some questions as to what you are doing here, exactly.

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Sounds just as hokie as David Koresh? He thought he was the messiah. Yeah, right. How far up in COS is Tom Cruise?

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Jason…ALL organized religions are cults.

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[...] Your morning jolt: Senators praise Scientology volunteers [...]

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Wait until the Georgia Senate founds out that the Venezuela army is in Haiti and giving massive aid to it’s citizens……..lol……I guess the Senate Republicans idiots will say that the Georgia Guard needs to march on Haiti and get rid of those communists will the help of the Mission Impossible Army of Scientology

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I find it delicious that Larry, Aaron, and Bob all come in here, talk about each other and how right they each are, then never come back.

Clearly they are little more than operatives of the secretive Office of Special Affairs (OSA), responsible for all intelligence and counterintelligence (yes, like a spy agency) operations for the organization. Last I checked, not even the massively bureaucratic Catholic Church had its own spy agency.

OSA is modeled after the Guardian’s Office, the original intelligence agency of the Church of Scientology. Both are based entirely around the directives and policies set forth by L Ron Hubbard, and the Guardian’s Office was run by Mary Sue Hubbard, L Ron’s wife. They were responsible for the largest infiltration of the United States Government, ever. 11 individuals, including Mary Sue, were indicted and CONVICTED. L Ron was pursued by the government for the rest of his days to determine his own involvement in “Operation: Snow White”.

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Scientology conducted the largest infiltration of the US government, called Operation Snow White. Six ex-Scientologists told their stories of abuse this last weekend; http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ScilonTV#p/c/u

Why should a group of people untrained in such situations even be allowed to go to Haiti? Even their own reports showed they were just doing grunt work, like hauling food and water around. Are the Haitians all incapable of moving things around? Do they really need touch assists when they can’t even find REAL medical care? At the very beginning of the relief effort the REAL experts said please just send money, not yourself and not items. So what did Scientology do? Send untrained people, and stuff. Exactly what the experts asked them NOT to do.

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@Aaron

Hey there OSA. Yep, still don’t believe you’re not working for them. Or, maybe I’m just trying to antagonize you to keep coming back so we can communicate and debate.

” Before believing the lies online, check it out for yourself. That’s the only true way of finding out if something is “corrupt”.”
-So you would agree with the statement that the Mexican police departments located on border towns are models of integrity and in no way corrupt and working for the drug cartels? I mean, you have to say that because I sincerely doubt you’ve been a member of any Mexican police department, ergo you can’t believe any of the crazy lies told by those hateful people who live there and experience the day in and day out violence there. Bunch of liars, right?

Also, Aaron, riddle me this. Every former member of the Church of Scientology who has spoken out critically, and there are over 900 of them, HAS experienced the organization. They went, they checked it out for themselves. Many of them checked it out for over 20 years. Some checked it out so much that they helped RUN THINGS. I’d say they meet your “requirement” for “checking it out for themselves”. Yet they’re corroborating (word clear that, since not a single Scientologist I’ve encountered has ever seemed to understand the meaning of that term) each other to the detail. People who never met before telling their stories, stories which have never changed since they started telling them.

Your supposed “lies” are being told by people who went there, did that, didn’t get the t-shirt, and were the very victims of the abuse that Anonymous accuses the Church of Scientology of perpetrating.

Now Aaron, as for your “Freedom of Religion” remark. Do you know what that means? Not the definition of each of the parts, because that’s not right. That’s the Hubbardian definition. You want the SUM of the parts, the phrase as a whole. It means the right to practice your religion without GOVERNMENTAL interference (ie taxation or regulation) PROVIDED your practices DO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

So us private citizens? We’re perfectly within OUR rights to harass the hell out of your organization for its abuses of its parishioners. Abuses which, by the way, also do not fall in the purview of “freedom of religion” because the torture, slave labor, human trafficking, prison camp lifestyle, extortion, coercion, beatings, forced abortions, and disconnection are violations of THEIR rights.

I don’t care if you ever read my comment, because just knowing that the average public citizen will be better educated by it, and thus be more inclined to oppose your criminal organization and demand its end, is reason enough. I don’t need to convince you, because you’re so lost in the rabbit hole you’ve probably forgotten how critical thought works.

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Sure. And by the way, Tom Cruise isn’t gay….

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Dear Paz,
>>>There aren’t 203,000 Scientologists world wide
Have you counted them?

Dear Barry
>>> The Scientologists themselves have admitted their “volunteer ministers” are nothing more than cynical attempts to exploit disasters by sending in people to proselytize the victims in their time of distress.
FrankG— It looks to me that is a generality… Who are “The scientology themselves”?

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Many religions and people of good will have been attacked in the past and the same kind of people that where against freedom of religion in the past are those who are attacking Scientology today.

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Today is now the 20th and Aaron, who made a point of coming back here to try and call me out on his one-time comment, has not come back for two days. No counterpoint has been made to any of the arguments I’ve put forward.

I would like to say that his silence is rather condemning, in that *I* have called him out on being an operative for the Office of Special Affairs while refuting and countering every claim he has made. Let that be a lesson to the general public, that the Church of Scientology hates freedom of speech, hates freedom of thought, and is oppressive and dictatorial in their actions. Only when you confront them with the truth and stand your ground against their onslaught of hate, can you hope to end their criminal ways.

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Follow the money. If a group of Moonies or representatives from a Wiccan church had sent missionaries to Haiti (assuming that they were even able to get in), there would be NO commendations in the state house. This is simply an organization that can buy influence. Afterall, everything is for sale in the US.

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*yawn* Sad little comment there, Informer. You really failed to live up to your name as no one has been informed of anything.

Please, go look up Geir Isene (the OT VIII) and read his Doubt Formula. See if your Hubbardian brain can comprehend that he’s using the tech itself to prove Miscavige is the squirrel. Go learn more about any of the many OT VIIIs now leaving, if you dare. After all, if you’re so “able”, you should be able to confront and handle any entheta that comes your way, right?

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GOOGLE LISA MCPHERSON

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