Anti-abortion group targets black women with billboards

An anti-abortion group targeting African-American women has begun putting up dozens of billboards around metro Atlanta, declaring black children to be “an endangered species.”

This is what they look like:

blackabort

Ryan Bomberger, co-founder of the Radiance Foundation, said 35 should be up by Feb. 15. “We’re aiming for a lot more, but that’s where we’re at,” Bomberger said.

The billboards were announced at a state Capitol news conference at which another group, Georgia Right to Life, announced that it would back legislation this session that would make it a crime to “solicit a woman to have an abortion based on the race or sex of the unborn child.”

The two groups are citing what they say are federal statistics that indicate 56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African-American women, though black make up 30 percent of the general population.

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331 comments Add your comment

d.

February 4th, 2010
1:08 pm

I am against Abortion, but this is not going to help. I know that these groups are trying to get the point across, but I am really unsure on this one.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
1:17 pm

“Targeting?” It is the abortion industry that targets black women. The institution that became Planned Parenthood began as Margaret Sanger’s Negro Project – which cautioned its followers, “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”

Abortion is the leading cause of death of black children. I think it therefore completely appropriate to reach out to black mothers and let them know that they too deserve better than abortion.

thinking woman

February 4th, 2010
1:19 pm

Fear and guilt compound problems, they don’t lead to solutions. The Radiance Foundation has the *right* to spend their money as they *choose*, but if they really cared about pregnant black women who are considering this option, they could spend it more effectively, IMO.

Thinking Man

February 4th, 2010
1:27 pm

Being Pro-Choice, I take offense. It’s a woman’s body, let her do as she see sees fit. If this foundation wants to pay and care for all of these children, let them. It’s the most difficult decision a woman will ever make and she should be allowed to do so freely and safely.

Bill Orvis White

February 4th, 2010
1:33 pm

I applaud any organization that fights for the unborn and innocent. Just like Operation Rescue, the Radiance Foundation is well within its rights to do this campaign. If we brought back a culture of life to this once-free nation, we will see return to the values that made it great. If we overturn Roe v. Wade, strengthen our military by going back to the pre-Clintonian Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell days, returned to market-based principles and threw out unnecessary environmental regulation, we could become number one again.

Unfortunately, we are weak by appeasing terrorists and dictators, punishing big and small businesses, and taxing and regulating like drunken sailors. It’s no wonder we have the problems that we have today.

Let’s take this once-free nation back from the far leftists who have destroyed it. All we need to do is get legal citizens to the polls in November to unravel the damage that Hussein Nobama and his band of Secular Progressive thieves have done to this once-great country.

God Bless,
Bill

Keith

February 4th, 2010
1:35 pm

TM, the “choice” was made when the woman decided to have sex. Shouldn’t we err on the side of caution by acknowleding that human life “could” begin at conception?

GoOx

February 4th, 2010
1:36 pm

Georgia Right to Life has endorsed my man Ox.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
1:38 pm

Obviously. Furthermore, the billboard is not preventing her from having the abortion if she is set upon it. It does not impact her rights at all. All it does is show her the consequences, points out to her that black children are the main targets of the abortion industry. She should certainly have all the facts before making such a decision.

What is telling, however, is the abortion advocates’ reaction to billboards such as these. The billboards do not restrict “choice” – but they DO have the potential to reduce abortions. The fact that abortion people react so strongly and negatively to advertisements such as these clarifies that they are not in fact pro “choice,” but rather are pro-abortion.

lmno

February 4th, 2010
1:42 pm

“Georgia Right to Life, announced that it would back legislation this session that would make it a crime to “solicit a woman to have an abortion based on the race or sex of the unborn child”

What is this?

Is this an issue?

Are people getting solicited now based on race or sex to have abortions?

Is there a danger this is a future problem?

Are people being solicited to have abortions period?

thinking woman

February 4th, 2010
1:44 pm

Thinking Man @ 1:27, I totally agree with you. But if the RF wants to help, as they claim, they could spend that money on prenatal AND post-natal care. Billboards don’t feed, clothe, shelter, or provide medical care for children born to parents who are situationally challenged.

OTW

February 4th, 2010
1:44 pm

Just the facts ma’am:
1. 30% of Georgia’s population is Black . . . 59% of all abortions
2. 14 out of 14 abortion clinics located in majority minority neighborhoods
3. Abortions increase by a factor of 10 when opened in a low income neighborhood
4. Georgia kills MORE Black children by abortion than ANY ohter state in the nation according to the CDC.
5. Georgia had a Eugenics council until the 1970’s.

toomanyaborted.com

songbird

February 4th, 2010
1:51 pm

Perhaps if this group used some of their resources to help poor black women obtain birth control there would be fewer unplained pregnancies and fewer abortions. I think that would be a better use of their funds than billboards.

Psych Doc

February 4th, 2010
1:52 pm

Planned Parenthood has targeted minorities since the very beginning of its existence. All these billboards and http://www.toomanyaborted.com are doing is drawing attention to what pro-abortion PP wants to cover-up. Black women and children are at risk of genocide. When will black pastors rise up and express the outrage that they express at racism? When will there be marching in the street like during the early days of the civil rights movement? When will black men be part of the solution and not part of the problem? When will black children be safe in their mothers’ wombs? The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. knew (in a Birmingham jail) that he was no longer going “to wait.” When are we going to say, “Enough is enough! We are not waiting anymore.”?

Love them both

February 4th, 2010
1:55 pm

Before someone makes a comment, I would suggest that they look at the website.
http://www.toomanyaborted.com

lmno

February 4th, 2010
2:01 pm

“Black women and children are at risk of genocide.”

What? The birth rate per 1000 black americans is not significantly different than for white americans. I am not saying you’re wrong, just that your statement is hyperbole or you need to clarify your position.

And can someone point out to me a case of someone being solicited to have an abortion?

I do know of a rather highly connected man who forced his daughter to have an abortion at 16 to save his own career, but I don’t think thats what this bill is about.

Raquel Morris

February 4th, 2010
2:03 pm

I wonder where this group stands on caring for Black children, or all children, for that matter? Did they lobby for increased funding for PeachCare? What about threatened cuts to public education? What do they say about that issue? Do they support connected public transit so that the children’s parents can get to and from work?

Bill Orvis White

February 4th, 2010
2:05 pm

http://www.toomanyaborted.com is an amazing site. I like the line right there on the front: American elites (Rockefeller, Ford, Kellogg, Carnegie) championed and funded the beliefs of eugenics, a philosophy of breeding a superior race. While respect these fellas for what they did for American business, they lost their way on this subject and shared similar views to Hitler.

So here we are today. Our businessmen don’t think like that but, they are plenty out there that do. The eugenics idea is popular with far left educators in our public schools and on college campuses. It’s also big in Hollyweird and on both coasts in this once-free nation.

God Bless,
Bill

d

February 4th, 2010
2:07 pm

I guess other ethnic groups don’t count. Aren’t we all God’s children-yellow, black or white.

Wolverine

February 4th, 2010
2:10 pm

Didn’t know Sandy Springs was a minority neighborhood, jus sayin’.

soulfinger

February 4th, 2010
2:22 pm

Good comment D

Big Ben

February 4th, 2010
2:25 pm

Thinking Man 1:27 – Funny that people get offended at expressing their views. The ad isn’t trying to change the law, just trying to sway opinions. Why is that offensive?

Drew

February 4th, 2010
2:31 pm

As usual, the only time that conservatives are interested in black America is when they see an opportunity to deprive black Americans of their rights. In this case, the right of black women to determine when they will have children. Had they their way, we’d return to the day when white men “chose life” on behalf of black women. Of course, given who is in power in Georgia, I suppose today is still that day.

If the “pro-life” activists – and I use that term with reluctance, given their ability to produce “pro-life” terrorists like Scott Roeder, who murder doctors in their homes and churches – cared about life, they would focus their efforts on ensuring that every American, black or white, man or woman, parent or child, has health care. If they cared about children, they would focus their efforts on ensuring that every child, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, was guaranteed a family and a society in which they would thrive. And if they cared about family, they would focus their efforts on creating an economy where no one would have to choose between putting food on the table and having the time away from work to sit down and eat with their loved ones.

But they don’t, so they’d rather accuse black women of perpetuating genocide.

harrison

February 4th, 2010
2:39 pm

Bill Orvis,

you said “The eugenics idea is popular with far left educators in our public schools and on college campuses. It’s also big in Hollyweird and on both coasts in this once-free nation.”

Are you kidding me? You are just out of your mind.

Cutty

February 4th, 2010
2:48 pm

Pro-life AND for the death penalty………..SMH

MissUNjudgemental

February 4th, 2010
2:53 pm

I like you Rita! And notice how many people keep putting links to the website up here? Obviously you are all part of the organization and are really trying to make it seem like people want this.

If any one is really interested in decreasing abortion rates, increased access to birth control and access to better paying jobs would be a start! How about teaching more than abstinence in the schools?

Steve

February 4th, 2010
3:02 pm

“Black women solicited” for abortions? Yes, just like if you put a fast food restaurant, gas station, grocery store, etc, in any community, you are soliciting for business. The fact is that much larger percentages of the black population are likely – and do- take abortion as their “choice”; Planned “Barrenhood” and other abortion providers have decided to take full advantage. And yes, the birth rate in the black community is NOT replacing the population. Leadership in the African -American community take note: you are being targeted for extinction! All life is precious, of course, but the outrageousness of what is going on cannot be ignored any longer.

Steve

February 4th, 2010
3:04 pm

Clarification:

Leadership in the African -American community- your race is being targeted for extinction via abortion, NOT you!

harryo

February 4th, 2010
3:06 pm

Pro-lifers are pro life until the baby comes, then they are the first ones to vote against welfare, rent control, tax credits or other programs to make life easier economically for single black women who otherwise would have an abortion. A statistic not cited in the article, or by pro-lifers, is that black children put up for adoption have the lowest sdoption rate of any group, and most black kids put up for adoption spend their entire childhood in foster care, and the majority of black kids in the criminal justice system have at one time in their life been in the foster care system. If one of these foster children commits a kidnapping, rape, murder or kills a cop, the same pro-lifers are the first to call for the death penalty.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
3:10 pm

All of the pro-abortion comments thus far have amounted to nothing more than “Hey, look over there!” And distracting the issue with blabberings about the death penalty and other irrelevant things. But black Americans are no longer going to turn their eyes away from the attempts to exterminate their population. Period. Black women – ALL women – deserve better than abortion.

RUKiddingMe

February 4th, 2010
3:11 pm

Species? Since when has is been ok to refer to African-American children as an endangered species? Did this Anti-Abortion group even consider checking with the NAACP to gage if it would be appropriate to use this when refering to Black Children? Species is typically used when refering to animals in th wild. Un-Freak’n Believable!

artatlarge

February 4th, 2010
3:15 pm

B.O.W.— Eugenics is popular with liberals and on college campuses?
We need to return to the days of gay-bashing, no regulations on corporations, and unfettered environmental exploitation and destruction?
THAT is supposed to make us NO. 1 again?
Wow…that’s like Stalinists urging a return to the Gulag System, like neo-nazis worshiping an immortal Adolf Hitler, like Cambodians pining for the return of the Khmer Rouge.
Ignorance and fear run amok, stoked by people who have the most to gain in such a profit-driven society….
And, ironically, YOU won’t get anything out of it except a ruined planet, a government run by corporations, and the quiet existence of living in denial.

lmno

February 4th, 2010
3:19 pm

““Black women solicited” for abortions? Yes, just like if you put a fast food restaurant, gas station, grocery store, etc, in any community, you are soliciting for business.”

So, are you suggesting that if a doctor provides abortions, he is soliciting just by his existence? And furthermore that if his office happens to be in a community that is predominantly made up of one ethnicity he would be breaking this new law by soliciting based on that ethnicity?

“And yes, the birth rate in the black community is NOT replacing the population. ”

Well, thats just false.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html

I don’t mind having a discussion about why black people are more likely to have abortions and what we can do to reduce those figures, but don’t just make things up.

john-atlanta

February 4th, 2010
3:25 pm

I have direct links to the CDC and other data, I break it down there, at http://www.yankhank.com. The solution is to throw anyone that supports abortion out of office, especially CBC members.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
3:25 pm

Did I read correctly the person identifying himself as “artatlarge” start rambling about corporations, gays, the environment, etc. etc. etc.? This is a discussion about the abortion industry targeting black women. It has nothing to do with corporations, gays, the environment, Khmer Rouge, etc. Please pay attention.

Actually I must correct myself on one point – it DOES have to do with corporations. Planned Parenthood is the largest and most profitable abortion chain in America. Planned Parenthood is the “big business” of abortion, and it makes its profits by targeting women, and by opposing these ads that let women know they have another choice besides abortion. Why do you think Planned Parenthood is coming out so strongly against these billboards and Mrs. Tebow’s ad? BECAUSE IT CUTS INTO THEIR PROFIT MARGIN!!

LoveWisdom

February 4th, 2010
3:42 pm

@Drew Did you check out the website? At no point do they mention blaming black women for the problem. It is the black women who have been targeted by the abortion industry. According to toomanyaborted.com, 94% of the abortion clinics are in black neighborhoods.

You also noted that if “they” cared about children “they” would focus their efforts on ensuring that every child was guaranteed a family and a society in which they would thirve.

I would make the case that many people are trying to do that. Visit downtown Atlanta at the Care-Net Pregnancy Resource center where this agency is partnering with women to help meet their needs during the pregnancy and afterwards even to the point of helping them get the mothers get their educations.

Every person has some struggle in their life. Some of us more than others. Yet do we deny people the right to exist just because they might struggle?

Let’s say a woman has a child and has a job and does fine for a while. She loses her job two years after the child is born. Can she kill that child because the situation at home might get harder? No, because that two year old is considered a person. The issue in this discussion will once again come down to not so much the struggle but whether or not these black children, or any unborn child is a person.

Yet we live in a nation that sees children as a tax burden rather than persons. I think the lovely Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it best in a NyTimes article in 2009 when she stated that Roe was decided “to rid the population we don’t want to many of”. Roe was started not to give women a choice or “a right to choose” but to get rid of certain populations.

We can realize it now or we can wake up 20 years from now and the situation be even worse.

Barb

February 4th, 2010
3:47 pm

I doubt if these women are forced to get an abortion.It is the individual’s decision.

Roekest

February 4th, 2010
4:08 pm

@ Drew

“As usual, the only time that conservatives are interested in black America is when they see an opportunity to deprive black Americans of their rights.”

You sure conservatives are the ones being racist now??? That thought came out of your head, not mine. Please don’t take a few bad examples and apply them to ALL conservatives. It’s an ignorant and narrow-minded approach.

harryo

February 4th, 2010
4:09 pm

Is society better off if women who don’t want a child and will not take care of herself while she’s pregnant or the child once its born? One only has to look at Charles Manson or the Octomom as examples of irresponsible conception. Why should a single woman working in a good paying but dangerous job like construction be forced to give up her income and get on public assistance if she’s forced to have a baby she doesn’t want. Once a child is born a woman can find a way to have the child taken care of while she works, but there’s no way a construction worker, flight attendant or dancer can work while she’s pregnant;

Ryan Bomberger

February 4th, 2010
4:21 pm

I believe in compassion for the individual. I’ve financially and materially supported birth mothers and orphans for most of my adult life. This campaign isn’t about ‘targeting black women’, but exposing the abortion industry. It’s about informing the general public, and the African-American community in particular, about abortion’s extremely disproportionate impact on Black Americans. I believe the loss of life (and potential) due to abortion is a tragedy no matter the race. TooManyAborted.com is simply our response to the rhetoric that there are ‘too many abortions’ and that we need to ‘reduce abortions’. Why reduce something that isn’t inherently wrong? The Radiance Foundation (which is an educational nonprofit that believes that we are all born with Possibility) is a multi-faceted organization that addresses a wide spectrum of social issues. This newly launched campaign, http://www.toomanyaborted.com, focuses on an all too-often silenced human crisis. Why do those who espouse a pro-choice mentality always feel threatened by accurate and well-documented information? Women cannot make fully informed decisions if they’re constantly duped by an industry that profits in the hundreds of millions by a ‘choice’ for abortion.

Expressions of mass distraction. That’s how I could sum up a lot of the pro-abortion comments here.

I just believe there are better options than exercising one’s supposed (and Supremely ill-decided) right by taking the life of another. I’m adopted (as are 10 in my family), so I can speak to the thousands of people and CPCs and churches that have dedicated their lives to providing for the birth mother and the child she’s decided to bring into this world. The oft-used argument is simply a deflection of the truth.

Lindsey

February 4th, 2010
4:21 pm

I am against abortion, as far as the race, sex, or anything else-it does not matter—You are either for it or against it, so don’t try to keep just one certain group from doing it, but all groups no matter what you are basing it on!

Drew

February 4th, 2010
4:22 pm

@LoveWisdom, you should target your propaganda at someone who doesn’t know it’s a lie.

Your reference to Ginsburg is telling: the quote, and the context, show that Ginsburg was concerned that Roe would be used to require government funding of abortion, which would then be used as a way of “coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them” – also her quote – which she clearly felt would be wrong.

Yet instead of honestly characterizing her statement as a concern that the government might force women to abort when they did not want to, you and your ilk misrepresent describe the first Jewish mother to sit on the Supreme Court to be a proponent of both infanticide and genocide. Stay classy, “pro-life” activist.

It’s disgusting, and it’s typical of what can be expected from a “pro-life” activist: deceit. The website offers more of the same – lies, lies, and more lies.

But what can you expect of a movement that produces murderers like Scott Roeder and “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” that exist to deceive women and endanger their health.

Roekest

February 4th, 2010
4:27 pm

How about instead of abortion, people who choose to have sex can also choose to use birth control, thereby saving me the headache of reading stories such as these and dealing with women too stupid to use the pill or to force their man to use a condom?

This issue can be solved with some common sense. Tragically, most people lack that.

matchtuff

February 4th, 2010
4:33 pm

This is a mess. I say let them put up the billboard. I say we also need a billboard showing how many women quit college or high school to have a child. Another billboard can detail the anti Tebow. I say we have a commercial that depicts a woman Tebow mom’s age who also didn’t have an abortion. But this child grew up poor and had a hard life but you pro life people can be glad he got to grow up. Picture this- You leave you pro life meeting and just got held up at gun point by this child who shoots you in the leg. I hope you are still happy his mom didn’t get an abortion! :) Pro choice all the way but I don’t like abortion. Also I have yet to see a movement or march against homelessness or poverty!Now that would something you prolife people!

Truthteller

February 4th, 2010
4:38 pm

Tim Tebow’s mother was given a choice when she learned of her medical condition, and she made the choice that she was comfortable with. Every woman, black or white, should have that same choice.
and everyone else should stick to their own business.

John K

February 4th, 2010
4:51 pm

And let’s ask them how they plan to help when the baby is born? Or will they then be screaming “welfare queen” and “taxed enough already?’

It’s not a pro-life movement, it’s a pro-fetus/control of women movement.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
4:53 pm

When someone kills another human being, that is everybody’s business. Killing someone is not a choice, it is a crime. Abortion should not be a choice, it should be a crime. It is not a matter of personal choice, it is a matter of killing another human being. It can’t get any simpler than that. You do NOT have the choice to kill.

Ray Pugh

February 4th, 2010
4:55 pm

I just wish she had made a different choice…

matchtuff

February 4th, 2010
5:03 pm

I say let the women who are pro life carry the women who do not want to have children carry and take care of all of these children. Now that is real pro life choice

LoveWisdom

February 4th, 2010
5:11 pm

@Drew It always amazes me when two people are having a civilized discussion, and then someone feels threatened and results to name calling. As a woman, pro-life or not, I always try to have a conversation that does not demean anyone. I was under the assumption that this was a blog, an open forum to discuss all ideas. I simply stated what has been happening for the past 37 years.

As a woman, I am tired of the exploitation I see everyday towards women. Just this past week a woman in Queens, NY died at the age of 37 because she was having “a safe and legal procedure”.

I am tired of the lies I see the abortion community telling women that abortion and birth control don’t have risks when they do. So if we truly believe in giving women their options lets lay out everything on the table. Let’s tell people that yes the American Cancer Society knows there is a link between birth control and breast cancer they just haven’t publicized it. Just a few months ago a leading researcher of the National Cancer Institute (which is not a “pro-life” organization)also stated that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer.

Since we don’t want to talk about the fact that abortion kills a human being, let’s talk about the impact that over 37 years of legalized abortion have had on women.

My reference to Ginsburg was factual. You have the liberty to interpret it differently and I am ok with that.

But please in all of your mischaracterizations of the pro-life community; do not consider Scott Roeder to be the same equivalent to the life saving work that the pregnancy resource centers do.
What Scott Roeder did was wrong, but it just shows you what happens when a society devalues the most innocent of all human life, then all life is devalued.

Byron Mathison Kerr

February 4th, 2010
5:14 pm

Charles, February 4th, 2010, 3:25 pm wrote:
[ ...
Actually I must correct myself on one point – it DOES have to do with corporations. Planned Parenthood is the largest and most profitable abortion chain in America. Planned Parenthood is the “big business” of abortion, and it makes its profits by targeting women, and by opposing these ads that let women know they have another choice besides abortion. Why do you think Planned Parenthood is coming out so strongly against these billboards and Mrs. Tebow’s ad? BECAUSE IT CUTS INTO THEIR PROFIT MARGIN!!
]

I don’t know if I have ever seen this much misinformation and/or disinformation in one place before. But please allow me to clear up one thing: Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization!

JATL

February 4th, 2010
5:14 pm

Oh Charles, too bad you weren’t aborted! You have ZERO place in the discussion if you are a male. You can feel however you want, but until you have to carry, birth and then take care of or give away a child -just shut up already!

I live intown, and everywhere I turn there are tons of black women and girls pregnant with two, three or four small children in strollers and walking with them on the sidewalks and in stores. Obviously many are not getting abortions! I really wish instead of spending so much money on billboards, organizations like toomanyaborted would put their money where their mouths are and start free or drastically reduced price daycare centers in poor neighborhoods, drug counseling centers, tutoring services, etc. AND any person in that organization needs to start paperwork to adopt at least two black children. There is a real need for that!

LoveWisdom

February 4th, 2010
5:14 pm

@Drew It always amazes me when two people are having a civilized discussion, and then someone feels threatened and results to name calling. As a woman, pro-life or not, I always try to have a conversation that does not demean anyone. I was under the assumption that this was a blog, an open forum to discuss all ideas. I simply stated what has been happening for the past 37 years.

As a woman, I am tired of the exploitation I see everyday towards women. Just this past week a woman in Queens, NY died at the age of 37 because she was having “a safe and legal procedure”.
I am tired of the lies I see the abortion community telling women that abortion and birth control don’t have risks when they do. So if we truly believe in giving women their options lets lay out everything on the table. Let’s tell people that yes the American Cancer Society knows there is a link between birth control and breast cancer they just haven’t publicized it. Just a few months ago a leading researcher of the National Cancer Institute (which is not a “pro-life” organization)also stated that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer.

Since we don’t want to talk about the fact that abortion kills a human being, let’s talk about the impact that over 37 years of legalized abortion have had on women.

My reference to Ginsburg was factual. You have the liberty to interpret it differently and I am ok with that. But please in all of your mischaracterizations of the pro-life community; do not consider Scott Roeder to be the same equivalent to the life saving work that the pregnancy resource centers do.

What Scott Roeder did was wrong, but it just shows you what happens when a society devalues the most innocent of all human life(the unborn), then all life is devalued.

sofia-ao

February 4th, 2010
5:20 pm

As a black woman who is pro-choice, I really wish this organization would stop using black women and the reality of racism for their own ends. No one wants abortions. So let’s focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies. Let’s make birth control FREE or very low-cost and easily accessible. Let’s provide comprehensive sex ed from middle school and up. Let’s look at statutory rape, which is rampant. Those are just the beginning. And if you want to talk about extinction of black people, let’s talk about the “criminal justice” system.

fultonrighty

February 4th, 2010
5:20 pm

20 years ago a state senator told me, “We have to keep abortion legal; we don’t want MORE little black babies to feed.” More recently the now former Speaker of the Ga. House said about the same thing. That is racism and so is the federal funding of the largest abortion provider in the nation. If these abortion facililties are planted in minority communities, I believe it is part of a bigger picture. Let’s look into the stats and see what we can learn.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
5:23 pm

Let’s evaluate the intellectual consistency of some of the responses in this discussion from the pro abortion people.

1. I say let the women who are pro life carry the women who do not want to have children carry and take care of all of these children.

What kind of sense does that make? If you are against domestic violence, for example, does that mean that you have to go out and marry all the abused spouses in the world? Clearly not. So the above-numbered statement is foolish.

2. You have ZERO place in the discussion if you are a male. You can feel however you want, but until you have to carry, birth and then take care of or give away a child -just shut up already!

Why? Tell me what kind of sense this makes. In my understanding of human physiology, a male is involved in the reproductive process – and therefore, the baby is his child too. Furthermore, I’m sure that in this country everyone has the right to an opinion and to a voice in government, regardless of their gender. There was a time in this country when people of a certain gender were not allowed to have any voice in political decision making, but those days are long passed away.

3. I don’t know if I have ever seen this much misinformation and/or disinformation in one place before. But please allow me to clear up one thing: Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization!

Factually incorrect. I’m sure there is a planned parenthood nonprofit foundation – but planned parenthood does make money off of abortions. Abortionists do not commit abortions for free, they are not volunteers.

Alveda

February 4th, 2010
5:33 pm

Okay, Mr. Galloway, I attended the press conference. I am an African American woman, joined by other African American women and we are a prolife group. We are not targeting African American women. We are African American women, and our African American wombs which nurture our babies are being targeted by the abortion industry, which is what the ads clearly state. Planned Parenthood is at the top of the list of abortion providers in America. Their clinics are often centered in Black and other minority communities. It is a good thing that you took note of our press conference. We would be happy to talk to you anytime. Peace!

fultonrighty

February 4th, 2010
5:34 pm

“sofia-ao” I agree with you that there is much to do to rout out and counter racism in our state and country.

You and others who stress getting birth control and sex ed to teens seem a little naive to me. How many little “surprises” do you know, whose mothers were adult women with stable lives, pretty regular schedules (so they can take the pill same time each day), plenty of intelligence and information, lots of experience using birth control? I know plenty of unplanned children. I understand that about 50% of pregnancies are unplanned–not necesssarily unwanted, but unplanned. To me it is a huge myth that we can fully control our fertility with anything other than abstinence. The younger you are, the more fertile you are likely to be and the more likely you are to conceive an “oops” baby.

If you are infertile any contraception is 100% effective. What does that do to the overall effectiveness stats? 97% might not look so good if you eliminated all the infertile–estimated at 20% of married couples trying to become pregnant.

So I don’t jump to the conclusion that birth control is the preventive for abortion. It might be the false hope of control that leads to sexual activity that is supposed to be “without consequences.”

sofia-ao

February 4th, 2010
5:39 pm

fultonrighty – so what you are saying is that it’s no point in trying to prevent unplanned and undesired pregnancies? There are how many millions of abortions per year? That’s how many unplanned and undesired pregnancies?

majii

February 4th, 2010
5:50 pm

Freedom of speech issues aside, this African American woman wishes someone had informed her that this organization had the right to interfere in what is not only a legal, but a personal decision. As a retired teacher I can say that I’ve known many young African American and Caucasian females who have had abortions. These billboards will have little/no effect on AA females’ decisions regarding abortions. If this group thinks it’ll draw AA females to its’ cause, good luck with that. No group likes being targeted and used as a pawn in an ideological pursuit. If the members of this group have given little attention to the other issues AA females face, and it hasn’t, this effort will gain little traction among them. I say this because I doubt if many of the members of this organization know or really care about AA females. IMHO, this is a rally around the moment issue. Furthermore, if this group had seriously wanted to repeal Roe vs. Wade, they had most of the last decade during which the majority of the members of Congress were pro-life and were in power in which to do it, but they didn’t. Something about this campaign stinks to high heaven, but, of course, the organization will not reveal the real reason behind it.

Byron Mathison Kerr

February 4th, 2010
5:58 pm

Charles, February 4th, 2010, 5:23 pm wrote:
Factually incorrect. I’m sure there is a planned parenthood nonprofit foundation – but planned parenthood does make money off of abortions. Abortionists do not commit abortions for free, they are not volunteers.

It is common for non-profit organizations to charge a discounted fee for services rendered. The rest of the operating expenses come from donated funds that can be deducted from income taxes. But non-profit organizations do not make a profit from their operations. I repeat: Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization! It is a fact, not an opinion.

sam

February 4th, 2010
6:02 pm

I’m puzzled by Bill’s 2:04 comment…can someone explain to me how taking away a woman’s right to choose and banning gays from joining the military make us a freer nation?

Catherine

February 4th, 2010
6:03 pm

Enter your comments here

John K

February 4th, 2010
6:03 pm

non-profits do have paid employees.

Wednesday

February 4th, 2010
6:04 pm

Wonder how many prenatal and postnatal check-ups for Black women and infants could have been paid for by the money used for these ads.

Oh, wait, that would require actually worrying about the welfare of women and born children. Sorry, I keep confusing “pro-life” with actually being, you know, pro-life.

William

February 4th, 2010
6:16 pm

sam

February 4th, 2010
6:02 pm
You need to learn what absolute truths are SAM! Abortion is not natural nor is homosexualality. You want to kill and you want perversion AND you want me to accept it as NORMAL. It aint gonna happen.

sam

February 4th, 2010
6:31 pm

Bill you sound like a little dictator to me

Justaguy

February 4th, 2010
6:35 pm

William, are you a bible thumper??

Catherine

February 4th, 2010
6:35 pm

It is interesting to read these comments, but very disheartening that so many of you have no idea about the truth behind abortion, I am black and have done the research on this issue. Most of you that are promoting a “pro-choice” argument are uninformed and for the most part deceived. To @Byron – take a look at PPHs most recent annual report. They may be non-profit but there are not too many of those that end each year with over a million dollars, every year.

to @majii – I am black. The purpose of the campaign is to educate. Over 18,901 black babies were killed in 2008 at the Georgia abortionists’ hand. In 2007 the number was 17,491, and in 2006 it 17,544. How long can the black community of Georgia sustain these kind of numbers without impacting our fertility rate?

to @Sofia- ao – Did you know that the lion share of the abortion/birth control clinics are in black neighborhoods? Why do you think that is?

To all of you who are pro-abortion choicers – would you come to a town hall type meeting to discuss this issue? I would put together that type of forum in a heart beat if only you will come!!!! It is time to set the record straight. Let me know . . .

justsayin'

February 4th, 2010
6:40 pm

Black children are a species now? Riddle me this, are any of these”pro-lifers” going to assist women (regardless of race) with caring for their children? I’m talking food, clothes, diapers, health care, etc. Are they spending money on children locked away in orphanages and foster care? How about spending money on ads that promote US adoptions? We have too many children and teenagers without homes and families wasting away in a defunct foster care and juvenile system as is. If they’re as “pro-life” as they claim they are, why not invest in better sex education, at an earlier age? How about putting their ad money to better use and offer parenting courses, job training, more affordable childcare and what ever else I’m missing that will make the option of keeping an unwanted unborn child a bit more attractive(for lack of a better word). I’m an African-American woman with no kids because I was taught at an early age the risk of unsafe sex. Trying to “scare” women into believing that their children are “endangered species” is insulting, stupid, and just what I’d expect from such fanatics.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
6:53 pm

1. Freedom of speech issues aside, this African American woman wishes someone had informed her that this organization had the right to interfere in what is not only a legal, but a personal decision.

What makes you think it is a personal decision? Killing another human being is NOT your right, and it is NOT your personal decision.

As far as it being legal at the present time, that does not seem to make much difference either. Slavery was legal at one time – in fact it could be said that slave owners viewed slavery as their personal CHOICE to own slaves. That did not make it right. Should people have just stopped fighting against slavery, because “Oh well, it’s legal. The Supreme Court has ruled.” Clearly not.

2. I repeat: Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization! It is a fact, not an opinion.

Well then what do you call the 80+ million dollars of profit that they report every year? It is possible to make 80 million dollars of profit and still be a non-profit organization? I think not sir.

3. Riddle me this, are any of these”pro-lifers” going to assist women (regardless of race) with caring for their children? I’m talking food, clothes, diapers, health care, etc. Are they spending money on children locked away in orphanages and foster care? How about spending money on ads that promote US adoptions? We have too many children and teenagers without homes and families wasting away in a defunct foster care and juvenile system as is. If they’re as “pro-life” as they claim they are, why not invest in better sex education, at an earlier age? How about putting their ad money to better use and offer parenting courses, job training, more affordable childcare and what ever else I’m missing that will make the option of keeping an unwanted unborn child a bit more attractive(for lack of a better word).

Yes. I personally donate time to local pregnancy centers, as well as legal services to low-income women in matters such as dealing with difficult landlords, et cetera.

Nevertheless, you cannot change the world in one day. But that does not change the fact that killing people is wrong. Killing people is not a personal choice, and it is not a right. Killing WOMEN in legal abortions is also not right. Women deserve better than abortion, period.

roge

February 4th, 2010
6:53 pm

How many are on welfare? Don’t spread em and you won’t have em.

anon

February 4th, 2010
6:55 pm

Yeah, that’s not racist, AT ALL.

justsayin'

February 4th, 2010
6:55 pm

What’s impacting our fertility rate is the number of men and women locked away in prisons. The direct effects of poverty on lower class families kill more men women and children than all the abortionists’ “murdering babies” as some say. I’m not promoting abortions, but I’m totally against outsiders telling women what they should or shouldn’t do with their bodies. When it comes down too it, there won’t be a nary soul there to help these women after they give birth. There won’t be a way out of poverty for the bulk of these women to raise their children in better environment , with a whole family, thus ensuring their children make better and wiser choices when sex is involved. Throwing numbers around doesn’t make anyone sound more informed. Where’s the concern and ads for the children who are here? The ones sucked into the cesspool of poverty, violence, drug abuse or just plain ignorance of a better way? When it’s all said and done, a woman’s choice is a woman’s choice. Try respecting it for once.

Catherine

February 4th, 2010
6:57 pm

@Justsayin” – yes black children are a species, we all are – of the homo sapien persuasion.

And, there are resources available for pregnant women who need it, diapers, stollers, cribs and all. One center is located in downtown Atlanta at 100 Edgewood Avenue Northeast, Atlanta, GA 30303-3026 (404) 688-0795, but they are all over the state.

We are spending money on promoting adotion, check out http://www.toomanyaborted.com.

We are not scaring women, just giving them the facts so they can make an informed “choice”.

Byron Mathison Kerr

February 4th, 2010
7:00 pm

Catherine, February 4th, 2010, 6:35 pm wrote:
@Byron – take a look at PPHs most recent annual report. They may be non-profit but there are not too many of those that end each year with over a million dollars, every year.

Planned Parenthood is a huge non-profit organization with around a $1 billion annual budget. Respectfully, if you have any evidence that indicates it is making any kind of profit at all, you should provide that evidence to the Internal Revenue Service. I am sure they would be very interested.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:04 pm

1. When it’s all said and done, a woman’s choice is a woman’s choice. Try respecting it for once.

Again, you assume the very issue. Abortion is not a woman’s choice, any more than slavery was a slaveowner’s choice. Abortion is murder, and no one ever has the right to choose to murder another person. Simple as that.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:05 pm

As far as Byron’s actuarial analysis, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America itself releases its annual report.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
7:05 pm

In the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, the right to life is listed first of those self-evident, unalienable rights endowed by the Creator to all men. The Founding Fathers listed the right to life as foremost because without life, you have nothing else. If you cannot understand that simple concept, then no one can take you seriously. Without life … there is nothing – no liberty, no pursuit of happiness … nothing!

Those who are for the death of an unborn child need to be put back into the womb. They’d become pro-life immediately. “I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.” ~Ronald Reagan, New York Times, September 22, 1980

So let’s carry this one step further – when those who are for the death of an unborn child get to their years of senility and can no longer be of any value to society … they need to voluntarily be the first ones euthanized. After all, they were Pro-Death to unborn babies … and you know, how those people hate hypocrites …

Do you see how wrong that reasoning is?

It’s wrong to kill a senior citizen at whim just because they can no longer contribute to society. It’s wrong to kill an unborn child simply because the mother doesn’t want to bring the pregnancy to birth.

Don’t be a hypocrite … choose the right to life!

RGB

February 4th, 2010
7:16 pm

50 million babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade.

How many more will have to be aborted before the pro-abortion crowd is disturbed by this?

We have lost our way.

Christine

February 4th, 2010
7:19 pm

Putting aside the fact that classifying “black children” as an endangered SPECIES as if they’re not even human, I’d like to know what this group has done to help the underprivileged and disenfranchised children of our communities who DO exist. This campaign is so offensive on many levels.

Christine

February 4th, 2010
7:22 pm

Also, being pro-choice is NOT the same as being pro-abortion, whereas being “pro-life” for all intents and purposes means only pro-fetal-life, while ignoring the fates of the people who are born. A more appropriate term would anti-choice.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:23 pm

Human beings are part of a species. Specifically, genus homo and species sapiens. Hence the phrase “homo sapiens” when used to describe human beings.

I think I fairly answered your “Hey, look over there!” objection earlier.

Fed Up

February 4th, 2010
7:26 pm

Why should I have to keep supporting those black babies until they’re 18 (and older)? Their neighbor will have 10 or 15 that I’ll have to help pay for (taxes). Any of you bleeding hearts taken a look at this nation’s prison population (ratio) facts (not “statistics”)? I know… I know… “blacks are more likely to end up in prison because they’re poor,” right? Give me a break! When some of you idgots decide to send me part of your paycheck to cover my taxes, I’ll be all for “fighting for the unborn ” good time behind the dipsy dumpster at the projects! Until then, I say mandatory sterilization for all of them! I know… I know… “He’s just racist!” There’s a difference between racism and FACTS. The sooner many of you decide to accept the FACTS, the easier it will be for you to understand why I’m FED UP!

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:27 pm

Pro “choice” does indeed mean pro abortion. Choice is one of those adjunct concepts, in that it does not exist in and of itself, but only in reference to something else. It ONLY exists in relationship to the subject being chosen. Therefore, it is more accurate to refer to the matter being chosen.

For example, should I have the choice to drink Pepsi or Coke? Yes. Should I have the choice of what city to live in, yes. Should I have the choice to own slaves? No. Should I have the choice to kill another human being? No.

Another way to view it is thus: You would certainly not argue that I should have the right to own slaves. Does that make you “anti choice”? You are against me having the legal right to choose to own slaves. So you are anti-choice.

People who are in favor of people having the right to choose to own slaves are not pro choice, they are pro slavery. Similarly, people who are in favor of people having the right to choose to kill another human being are not pro choice, they are pro abortion.

The baby has no choice.

Christine

February 4th, 2010
7:27 pm

Charles, your argument has no cognitive value. It is specifically black children in this ad who are being referred to as an endangered species, not the entire human race. Considering there are about 7 billion of us on the planet, that would be absurd.

BlackBob

February 4th, 2010
7:28 pm

I sure wish my babys mommas wanted to get an abortion! Don’t worry y’all we will still own Atlanta.

oh great

February 4th, 2010
7:28 pm

What genius PR rep decided: “Let’s compare black children to animals and see how far it get us”?

If only these fetus fetishists cared about black children after they’re born.

halle

February 4th, 2010
7:31 pm

It’s enough black fatherless children running around without any guidance so abortion is not a bad idea

Rockerbabe

February 4th, 2010
7:32 pm

Charles: Planned Parenthood is not a profit center; they are a non-for-profit organization that spends it money on education and providing services for women and their families.

About 15% of PP money goes for abortions; the rest is spent on education, basic medical care [mostly for the uninsured], mammograms, basic medical testing, prentatl care and yes, some deliveries.

Their education component is about basic healthcare, STD info/avoidance and treatment and comprehensive sex education [when allowed to do so].

PP is often the only affordable, competent and free medical help many Americans can get.

William and Catherine: Townhall, whatever! A woman’s body, her health, her life’s direction, her body intergrity, her overall well-being is not up to the government or the church for that matter. The only decision you should be worried about is the decision YOU make about YOU. My life and my body is NONE of your concern and never is going to be. So back off.

This is a joke

February 4th, 2010
7:32 pm

The problem is not too many abortions, it’s too many conceptions. There are still plenty of black babies arriving every year to feed our burgeoning smash-n-grab industry.

Christine

February 4th, 2010
7:32 pm

Killing a baby is a crime punishable by law. That’s why you can’t “choose” to kill or enslave someone. However, equating the termination of a pregnancy with the willful act of murder is both fundamentally fallacious and incredibly ignorant. By your line of thinking, women who miscarry should be charged with manslaughter.

Harriet

February 4th, 2010
7:33 pm

To Charles and all the Right to Life followers,
We don’t tell you to quit your fundamentalist ways, please stop telling everyone else how they should lead their lives. Most babies that would be aborted are NOT going to have the best lives and will NOT have all the opportunities that you are thinking will magically appear for them once they are born. I would venture to say none of you are willing to take care of every unwanted baby on the planet, but will be the first to tell someone what a sinner they are for choosing an appropriate and legal option and shove your beliefs everywhere they are not wanted. How about a billboard promoting safe sex or alternatives for soon to be single mothers? I realize what a radical idea that is… This is one of the most ignorant, hateful, sickening thing a group of people could do.

1gadawg

February 4th, 2010
7:33 pm

maybe if the black women would learn to cross their legs more often and not ‘give it up’ so easily, then there would be no need for abortions…and if we had more real black men who would take responsibility for their actions and the resulting offspring, then this would be mostly a mute point…

G Cancryn

February 4th, 2010
7:33 pm

Ryan’s mom was raped and delivered, then put him up for adoption. That’s quite a story. Not every woman would want to handle a rape pregnancy that way. I support a woman’s right to decide for herself what to do, without judgement.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:33 pm

All human beings are animals. Homo sapiens. Remember what you learned in school about classification of beings? King Phillip Came Over From Great Spain? (for Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species)? Genus is homo, Species is sapiens. Following the classification back a while, “Kingdom” is animalia.

And you make simply another “Hey, look over there!” argument that has already been refuted and thus dismissed a lot earlier in this conversation. We are NOT going to “look over there!” any more when it comes to the murder of children. Period.

Zinc

February 4th, 2010
7:34 pm

How does something that is unborn have a right to anything?

@Charles: You are really a moron. A woman has a choice to abort or not just like the slave owner had the choice to own slaves or not. Just because one has a choice doesn’t mean s/he will take part in either decision.

Christine

February 4th, 2010
7:35 pm

Charles, why don’t you try reading a book and educating yourself before you start spewing your stupidity all over the place and embarassing yourself.

Zinc

February 4th, 2010
7:37 pm

How many of your pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty. You want to throw out the analogy about whether you should euthanizie people in nursing homes, yet I am sure you have not problem killing off prisoners. Pro-life only when it fits your argument

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:38 pm

1. We don’t tell you to quit your fundamentalist ways, please stop telling everyone else how they should lead their lives. Most babies that would be aborted are NOT going to have the best lives and will NOT have all the opportunities that you are thinking will magically appear for them once they are born.

So your basic conclusion is that “These black kids are better off dead”? I reject that.

2. Charles: Planned Parenthood is not a profit center; they are a non-for-profit organization that spends it money on education and providing services for women and their families.

Well then where does the 80 million dollars in profit that Planned Parenthood itself reports come from? I am trying to figure out how you can be a non profit organization and make 80 million dollars in profit.

3. I would venture to say none of you are willing to take care of every unwanted baby on the planet

So? Are you against domestic violence? If so, then you are a hypocrite unless you marry and take care of every single abused wife or husband on the planet? Clearly not – this is not a well-reasoned argument that you have made.

4. This is one of the most ignorant, hateful, sickening thing a group of people could do.

No, killing 50 million people is one of the most ignorant, hateful, etc etc things that a group of people could do.

5. Killing a baby is a crime punishable by law. That’s why you can’t “choose” to kill or enslave someone. However, equating the termination of a pregnancy with the willful act of murder is both fundamentally fallacious and incredibly ignorant.

At one time, owning slaves was perfectly legal too. Does that mean that it should have continued, that people should not have fought against slavery, because “Hey, it’s legal. the Supreme Court has ruled.”

“Termination of a pregnancy” = killing the baby inside the womb, no matter what language you want to dress it up as.

Charles

February 4th, 2010
7:39 pm

Do you know how to tell when someone has absolutely no more intellectual argument to use to defend their position? They start name-calling the other side. Just an observation.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
7:39 pm

Why don’t you give the father a choice? Why don’t you give the unborn baby a choice? A woman made her choice when she decided to have sex. There’s a risk associated with having sex, and even protected sex is not 100% guarenteed.

We are not a Pro-Choice society anyway. The government will not let a woman just go off and prostitute herself. That’s the epitome of pro-choice for a woman. If she can’t have sex for money, then why should she be allowed to kill her unborn baby at whim?

As for poor children, their parents should be held accountable for them and not the rest of society by forcing a responsible parent to care for someone else’s irresponsibility. You’re mixing apples and oranges.

Again if you cannot understand that the right to life is foremost, then all of your arguments are worthless.

Without life, you have nothing. You should thank your mother that she decided not to have an abortion.

Alabama Communist

February 4th, 2010
7:40 pm

Meanwhile as the country is being held together by a thread with no real wealth and funny paper currency that will be totaly worthless very soon, The Religious Right believes that the saving of unborn souls will return the Republic to a Republican Paradise once more by a large BillBoard……..

This is Crazy

February 4th, 2010
7:43 pm

Just in time for Black History Month! (Go Figure) What will it be next? How about too many Mexicans are being aborted in celebration of Cinco De Mayo? Or how about too many Chinese in time for Chinese New Year? Or wait how about too many Irish being aborted for a St. Patrick’s Day announcement and a baby in an elf suit? Find something else to worry about!

BurnOut

February 4th, 2010
7:44 pm

I live in Southwest Atlanta.
Black Children are not an endangered species.

So Sad

February 4th, 2010
7:45 pm

There are 2 women that I work with that have 4 children and each have different fathers. One of them is dating a maried man. Both women are black. Perhaps some of this money could be better spent on education. These 2 women are going to perpetuate this cycle to 8 children.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
7:45 pm

When someone takes an innocent life through pre-mediated murder, they take on a higher authority. They decide for themselves that they are above the law and the ideals for which this country was founded, and they arbitrarily decide who dies and who lives. That is not the right of anyone.

When the laws of the nation are violated and when your right to life is infringed upon by a murderer, then the laws declare that the murderer forfeits his or her life (whether by judge and/or jury).

That is not something that is done on a whim. That is a sentence passed upon an individual for violating someone else’s right to life.

Again, you’re mixing apples and oranges. Capital punishment has nothing to do with the right to life.

JATL

February 4th, 2010
7:46 pm

Charles -how many children have you adopted, and how many of those children are black? I really hope you have adopted many children and are giving them a great life since you care so deeply for them as fetuses. I hope you still care after they’re born. AND while you may contribute the sperm and be a valuable and integral part of a child’s life as a father, you STILL do not have to carry the baby or give birth to it. You aren’t left with a child to raise by yourself if the father jumps ship. You aren’t the married woman who is already raising 3 or 4 kids and exhausted and going nuts at home who finds out she’s pregnant again and knows they can’t afford it and she mentally can’t take it. So, Charles, you still need to SHUT UP!

Catherine -many of us know quite a bit about abortion and we’re still pro-choice. I find it interesting that pro-choice people really don’t care if someone is completely against abortion, as long as those people leave everyone alone about it! Pro-lifers (who are really anything but) however, want to ram their views down everyone’s throats and into every woman’s uterus.

G Cancryn

February 4th, 2010
7:47 pm

1gadawg is a horses ass. This is a joke must be looking down his pants. Fedup, there are way more white women on welfare and food stamps than black women Halle you’re a racist pig, unhappy.

stan

February 4th, 2010
7:49 pm

It Is a sad alternative for crack, alcohol, unwanted children, and my Lab.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
7:50 pm

Miscarriage does not equal the decision to end a baby’s life inside the womb. A woman cannot choose whether or not she will miscarry. In abortion, the mother makes the conscious decision to kill her unborn child.

crowdog

February 4th, 2010
7:50 pm

Blacks currently make up 1/3 of abortions. Margret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood used black ministers to promote abortion. The cdc reports that between 1970-2004 there were 12.7 million black abortions. So blacks are an endangered species.

Christine

February 4th, 2010
7:50 pm

None of the pro-embryo, anti-women, anti-choice ideologues here have made a single argument of any real value other than you believe ending a pregnancy (in most cases within the first 2-3 months) is murder, but none of you could care less about any of the real issues facing this country today. I can’t say there’s anything new or surprising here.

G Cancryn

February 4th, 2010
7:51 pm

Ryan’s mother was raped and became pregnant and decided to deliver, then put her son up for adoption. That’s quite a story. Not every woman would choose that action. No one can judge any woman who handles that situation differently.

Zinc

February 4th, 2010
7:54 pm

@ Life, Liberty and BS

Do you believe abortions should be allowed in cases of rape, incest or when the health of the mother is at risk?

Possum

February 4th, 2010
7:55 pm

Anyone else notice the largest percentage of pro-life postings are male? Have to wonder if any of them ever had an ol’ one-night stand,and perhaps have unacknowledged children running around somewhere…

mark

February 4th, 2010
8:01 pm

Where si the baby daddy at?

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:02 pm

The issue of rape is not the issue that abortionists are tauting. That’s something else (although difficult) that must be addressed upon an individual basis. The issue is whether or not an unborn baby can be killed at whim. Rape, incest, etc. – the woman probably had no choice in practically all of those instances. I applaud any woman who makes the choice to keep a baby conceived through rape or incest. I applaud any woman who makes the choice to keep a baby knowing that it will be born with defects. Again, that’s not the abortion debate. It’s the debate of whether or not a woman can choose to kill her unborn baby at whim. A baby’s brain waves can be detected 6 weeks after conception … yet we still allow babies to be killed in the womb knowing this fact.

Norm

February 4th, 2010
8:03 pm

Regardless of ethnic origin, etc. the Earth is over populated by humans and we can no longer continue to think that unsustainable consumption can continue on a planet with limited resources. The next century will continue to be dispute over who gets the energy, water, accumulation of wealth, etc..

Norm

February 4th, 2010
8:03 pm

Regardless of ethnic origin, etc. the Earth is over populated by humans and we can no longer continue to think that unsustainable consumption can continue on a planet with limited resources. The next century will continue to be disputes over who gets the energy, water, accumulation of wealth, etc..

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:03 pm

By the way, Zinc, I hope that by “BS” you are referring to my stance on the abortion issue and not referring to the Declaration of Independence…

This is a joke

February 4th, 2010
8:05 pm

Hey G Cancryn. Go to dekalbmugs.com.

How many white faces?

How many black faces?

notenoughaborted.com

d

February 4th, 2010
8:06 pm

This is a serious question I am about to ask. Where does the data come from that African-American women have more abortions then other ethnic groups? Is there actually records-I thought most of this was kept confidential. Is there a data bank? Is there private abortions versus public knowledge? I do not agree with abortion, but I disagree with choosing one particular race over the others. A child is a child no matter what race.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:06 pm

Well, Hitler and the Third Reich definitely thought that Jews, Blacks, Romanies, and other undesirables were overpopulating the earth in the 1920’s – 1940’s …

Zinc

February 4th, 2010
8:07 pm

@Life

You didn’t answer the question.

You are right, the issue of rape is not what the pro-choice are tauting or touting. But the lack of options in these instances IS what the pro-life is touting. So where do YOU stand?

statistics lie

February 4th, 2010
8:08 pm

I have a problem with the way the statics are skewed to make it look like Black Women are “targeted” for abortions. While they may have more abortions than other races, they also have higher teenage pregnancy and out of wedlock childbirth rates than other races. It only goes to reason that they would also have higher abortion rates.

Typical

February 4th, 2010
8:09 pm

Gregory Cancryn. Divorced in 2004. Way to keep that black family strong, bro.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:10 pm

I stand for life, Zinc. And even if you were in your mother’s womb conceived out of incest or rape, I would stand for YOU.

Why? Because YOU deserve to live. YOU are a desirable person who deserves to have the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But YOU must first have the right to life before you can exercise the other two.

I stand for YOU!

Kevin

February 4th, 2010
8:11 pm

@ Drew . . . you said:
“And if they cared about family, they would focus their efforts on creating an economy where no one would have to choose between putting food on the table and having the time away from work to sit down and eat with their loved ones.”

So let me get this straight– you want the benefits of hard work, without having to work?

I rest my case.

Mark

February 4th, 2010
8:15 pm

I wonder how many of these pro lifers have signed up to adopt an unwanted babies who often times grow up abused and end up in jail or a teen pregnancy themselves. I would venture a guess that the number of signees is low.

Zinc

February 4th, 2010
8:18 pm

Keep evading the question. Your failure to answer the question indicates where you stand.

So I will ask it differently, if a woman was raped and sickened by the thought of having a baby that was against her will, a conception that forced upon her, would you support HER decision to terminate the baby?

Byron Mathison Kerr

February 4th, 2010
8:19 pm

Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) is an IRS 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization, gifts are tax deductible

Planned Parenthood Action Fund (PPAF) is an IRS 501(c)(4) not-for-profit lobbyist organization, gifts are not tax deductible

Planned Parenthood dot ORG

I did some on-line searching. It seems there are a few anti-abortion factions that claim Planned Parenthood has earned profits. But, personally, I have complete faith in the Internal Revenue Service’s ability and motivation to scrutinize the financial reports for violations on any non-profit organization with roughly a $1 billion budget.

Atltwen

February 4th, 2010
8:21 pm

@ Possum – “Anyone else notice the largest percentage of pro-life postings are male?”

I just jump on here, but I did notice that.

However, some of us are — if we were honest– scorned men who have had to deal with the fallout of these procedures that were done against our will.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:21 pm

What did I state so emphatically, Zinc? Can you not understand? When I said that I stood for life, that meant exactly that? Is the baby in the womb living? Yes! It doesn’t matter how that baby got there – whether by rape or by incest. It is alive! The baby couldn’t help that his/her father raped his/her mother. The baby had no choice in that. The rapist should be brought to justice. Same goes for the incest situation.

Can you not see?

Now why don’t you answer your own question. If your mother wanted to abort you while you were in her womb, would you support her decision?

Emily

February 4th, 2010
8:22 pm

I have been reading a lot of misinformed comments here. Maybe some of you should take the time to consider this: http://killerquill.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-for-choice-day.html (What Abortion is Not)

Eli

February 4th, 2010
8:26 pm

Those of you that think this campaign add is legit, that pro-life is the way to go:
Have you stopped to think why the abortion rate for black females is so disproportionate to the population? There are clearly other societal factors at work- if you want abortion to stop, you need to start with proper sex education, helping women realize they’re worth more than sex, and more access to contraceptives— not offensive billboards.

Ms P.

February 4th, 2010
8:28 pm

Dont worry about the black race. White women are having enough black babies for us not have any. We have the Freedom of Choice.

Truth Seeker

February 4th, 2010
8:34 pm

Imno – to answer your question – YES – women are being forced into abortion by fathers, guardians, or other family members because they are carrying children that are bi-racial. Check out the movie Maffa 21 at http://www.maafa21.com. I think you will shocked at the scope of the racism against the black community through abortion.

Say what!!

February 4th, 2010
8:36 pm

I am confused.I dont see many black women getting Abortions. If hardley ever teen pregnancy is so high in our community I feel like there data is wrong and they are directing the ads at the wrong group of people. BLACK FOLKS DONT GET ABORTIONS!!

kam

February 4th, 2010
8:41 pm

@THINKING MAN
BEING A WOMAN AND A FORMER FETUS, I TAKE OFFENSE. IT IS NOT THE WOMAN’S BODY THAT IS SUCKED OUT OF THE WOMB, IT IS THE CHILD’S BODY. THAT WOMAN’S RIGHT BULLCRAP IS TIRED, OLD AND A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
8:41 pm

I’d like to point out that no one who is pro-choice is going around telling pregnant women that they should have abortions or trying to shame/guilt them into ending their pregnancies. Those who purport to be pro-life, however, have no regard for individual liberty and insist on forcing their own views on others without giving any consideration to how it’ll affect that individual’s entire life.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:43 pm

To quote an intelligent blogger with a slight change:

Those who purport to be pro-choice, however, have no regard for individual liberty and insist on forcing their own views on others without giving any consideration to how it’ll affect that individual’s entire life.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
8:46 pm

@Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness: Your argument that the unborn should have a say in the matter holds no water. Obviously my mother didn’t opt to abort me, but I would hope that it was because she made that choice for herself, not because she wasn’t allowed any other option. But in that scenario, the hypothetical me, having never been born, wouldn’t be in a position to complain.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:47 pm

I, too, would hope that she made that choice for herself. There are wrong choices and right choices.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
8:47 pm

Also, you clearly didn’t understand the statement that you copied and pasted.

adam

February 4th, 2010
8:48 pm

Enter your comments here

adam

February 4th, 2010
8:49 pm

IT’S A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. THE TEA BAGGERS AND THEIR RIGHT TO LIFE NUTCASES NEED TO MIND THEIR PWN BISINESS.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:49 pm

I actually did. What you fail to realize is what you stated is really based upon your own opinion. My statements are based upon the Declaration of Independence.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:51 pm

Wow, adam! That comment really is not needed. Most everyone else has been very cordial even when we don’t all agree. We’re not all going to agree on this issue or any other issue.

Please stick to the UGA vs Tech blogs …

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
8:53 pm

Well, people have been distorting important documents to conveniently accommodate their own prejudices for ages, so I guess that’s your prerogative. What you fail to grasp is that expressing an opinion is entirely different from forcing someone else to live it.

Guy_Who_Was_Saved

February 4th, 2010
8:53 pm

Look, these people are crazy!!! “Abortion is the leading killer of black children?” Really?! I understand that killing in general is wrong. But i can also say that not even 20% of the company that produced that sign have adopted children, let alone a BLACK adopted child. Is this because of abortion?! NO! Stop trying to save what “could have been” and start helping what is today. Spend money on improving the educations of black children. Don’t encourage them to have children! One reason why so many black females fear pregnacy is because they fear abortion. They know their parent(s) can’t afford another child and no mother can bear the idea of a complete stranger taking care of their child. This aid is crazy, stop the madness people before it gets worse!!

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
8:57 pm

The arrogant “moral superiority” of the religious right is frankly galling and quite laughable given their well-known propensity for hypocrisy. It’s your right to believe in the things you do, but when your bigotry infringes on the rights of other (living, breathing, SENTIENT) human beings, I take issue with that.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
8:59 pm

Yes, many documents have been changed to further an agenda throughout the years. That’s not the issue.

The issue is whether or not someone has the right to kill another life at whim. The Declaration guarantees that everyone has the right to life. Just because a group of people took it upon themselves to decide for everyone else that a defenseless unborn baby can be killed at whim does not make it right.

One hundred fifty or so years ago, it was legal for whites to own blacks. That did not make it right.

Without the right to life, we have nothing. I am not expressing my own opinion. I am just reiterating the statements made by the Founding Fathers.

And yes, the opinions of the Supreme Court justices in the early 70’s did force someone to live it … or die with it in reality. That didn’t make abortion right just because a small few decided for the nation. The majority of the nation believed that abortion was wrong. That’s why the States had anti-abortion laws.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:03 pm

“The arrogant “moral superiority” of the liberal left is frankly galling and quite laughable given their well-known propensity for hypocrisy. It’s your right to believe in the things you do, but when your bigotry infringes on the rights of other (living, breathing, SENTIENT) human beings, I take issue with that.”

Again a subtle change … this is your opinion. It holds no water when reversed.

When you state that there is a “moral superiority”, what is your basis for morality? Your own opinion? Hitler’s “moral superiority” was based upon his opinion, and you see where that led him … and millions of innocent Jews and Romanies.

Corps 4 Life

February 4th, 2010
9:05 pm

If you really are trying to save “Black Children” go down to Southwest Atlanta and work on the gang problems. Black teenagers are killing each other daily and going to prison everyday in ATL. I don’t see any billboards going up about that. But conservative leaders don’t care about Black on Black crime and Black leaders don’t care about a dead black kid unless a white cop shoots them.

javatoad

February 4th, 2010
9:07 pm

Staying in school, working hard, learning something useful, taking care of your family, spending time with your kids, going to church, having some sense about who your friends are, keeping sex within marriage… these are the things that make bringing your baby to term and raising your children in a decent home posible. It’s not wise to tell people who don’t do these things that it’s okay not to and just go have an abortion. They do need more help but having abortions is definitely not the answer. The babies are alive in there and killing them is not right.

DHD

February 4th, 2010
9:08 pm

GREAT ad!! An ad targeting black women FOR abortion would not get an article by the AJC, I promise you that.

atl resident

February 4th, 2010
9:09 pm

I’m not sure why this is targeting black women??? If abortion is wrong, then it should be wrong for all races. The tag line “endangered species” is not true. I’ve not heard that african americans are on the verge of extinction…which is what “endangered species” insinuates.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
9:09 pm

The fact that you think women chose to abort “at whim” just further shows what an overly simplistic view you have of an issue that is incredible complex and multifaceted. It’s unfortunate that you have such a low opinion of women, though not exactly surprising. Women are not just walking uteruses. Why is it the only lives you people care about are those of unborn fetuses? What about the lives of the people who are born, and why do you stop caring about them once they leave the womb? What about the right of every person who is born to liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Anonymous

February 4th, 2010
9:12 pm

I actually work at an abortion clinic and there is no soliciting going on. It is the woman who chooses to call our clinic and make an appointment. We have black women, white women, Hispanic women, etc. who choose to make that call. In no way do we go to them. If more black women get abortions than white women, then you have to ask yourselves why. Frankly, it is a lack of birth control. They choose not to use it. It is a woman’s choice to terminate her pregnancy. No one is trying to exterminate anybody.

ND

February 4th, 2010
9:12 pm

“Species? Since when has is been ok to refer to African-American children as an endangered species? Did this Anti-Abortion group even consider checking with the NAACP to gage if it would be appropriate to use this when refering to Black Children? Species is typically used when refering to animals in th wild. Un-Freak’n Believable!”

In fairness, the black rapper Ice Cube released a song entitled “Endangered Species”, comparing young black males to endangered species in the wild. It is actually a very good track.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
9:13 pm

Oh and good job on quoting everything I say as if you’re actually saying something. I know you THINK that changing a few key words makes it valid for your argument, but all it shows is that you once again fail to understand anything that’s being discussed. Although it is nice to see that you recognize when someone has the intellectual high-ground.

Tamika

February 4th, 2010
9:16 pm

I was aborted a million times and Ims still her.. I say abort as much as you can!!

javatoad

February 4th, 2010
9:17 pm

Jesus said “If you seek to save your own life [ie: by having an abortion to make life less complicated, more comfortable, less embarrassing, less financially restricting, less tied down, more personally fulfilling] you will LOSE it, but if you lose your life for My sake [ie: by protecting the innocent and vulnerable, by postponing your personal sastifaction, by foregoing sex until you are married, by being willing to do what you know is right for the sake of others] you will find it.”

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:18 pm

Stay on point, “Be the Change”! (Great moniker, BTW! That can be used either for or against any issue.) You’re mixing the fruit bowl again.

A choice is a whim. A whim is a choice. When it comes down to it, however complex the issue, you still have a very simple choice. Yes or no. Keep the baby; kill the baby. There’s nothing complex about that.

The situation and circumstances may be indeed complex as they are in the cases of rape or incest, but the choice still remains so very simple.

Please do not insult me or your own intelligence by putting words into my mouth. I have never stated any disparagement against any woman. Why did you state what you did? Is that something that you stereotypically believe anyone who doesn’t agree with you believes? That’s not the case. Who are you to stereotype? Who are you to judge? Who gave you the right to impose your morality upon me or anyone else?

Again, where do you get your basis for morality and imposing your right to death upon the unborn?

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
9:18 pm

If you want to stop abortions from happening, try actually doing something positive to improve education, poverty, access to healthcare, etc. You can’t expect to preach abstinence, withhold birth control, tolerate sub-par standards for sex education and then be morally outraged when unprepared mothers want to end an unplanned pregnancy.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:21 pm

So, are you saying that you would actually stop abortions if all of the items that you listed actually came to pass? I would probably wager that you wouldn’t.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:27 pm

Actually, I have never given any list of items which would stop abortion. The law (when it said that abortions were illegal prior to the early 70s) just served to restrain evil. The law doesn’t change a person. All of those items that you list can’t actually change a person. Just like having a law against rape doesn’t actually stop rape from occurring. It can restrain the evil of rape, but it can’t actually change a person and cause them not to want to rape (murder, steal, ad infinitem). While your list may be full of good things and be out of a sincere concern for others, that list doesn’t actually change a person.

A change of heart is what is needed. A change on the inside, not a change of environment.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
9:28 pm

No, I would NEVER make abortion illegal in any scenario because I don’t believe in denying any woman the right to do what she thinks is best for her own body and any potential children she may have. I personally think women should be trusted to decide for themselves whether or not they’re actually prepared to bring life into this world because they’re the ones who are going to be responsible for that life.

My point, which again you seem to have missed, is that there are more productive ways to fight for a cause you believe in than just pontificating on the same tired spiel and trying to shame or guilt people into making decisions that affect YOU in no way but make a world of difference to them.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
9:34 pm

Nothing can ever change human nature. That’s a moot point because woman who have abortions don’t become pregnant because they want to. A change of heart isn’t what keeps her from getting pregnant in the first place – it’s education and responsible safe sex practices that are going to prevent (in most cases) unplanned pregnancies in the first place.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:37 pm

Actually, it makes a huge difference to society whether or not the birth rate is in decline or is increasing. That’s a fallacy to think that the taking of any life whether born or unborn.

A person only feels shame if they think or know that something which they have done or are about to do is wrong. If it’s not wrong to a person who is about to kill their unborn baby, they will not feel any shame or guilt. What does the issue of right or wrong have to do to someone who doesn’t believe in right or wrong.

As for trust … I am not so naive to believe that you actually have a Polly Anna attitude. You sound way too intelligent for that. When your trust is violated, how do you react?

Whether or not abortion is illegal will not keep women from killing their unborn babies if they so choose. Again, the law restrains evil. It doesn’t stop it. A woman will find a way to kill that baby if she wants to do so.

What the right to abortion folks want is the pleasure of unprotected sex without the responsibility of the ramifications of their choice. That’s what it all comes down to.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:39 pm

I have to disagree with you on your last point. You can’t tell me that any red-blooded passionate man or woman thinks of their college degrees and educational level in the midst of heated passion. Most guys can’t even think until they are 50 much less think when most of their blood is in their nether regions. :-)

Joe

February 4th, 2010
9:39 pm

Abortion is a much better alternative than bringing a fatherless child into a world of poverty and a cycle of abandonment and teenagers having children. There are too few abortions.

fultonrighty

February 4th, 2010
9:44 pm

A person’s a person, no matter how small… or how black.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

February 4th, 2010
9:45 pm

Zinc and Be the Change, I enjoyed the discourse with you both this evening. You made me think, and I know that you probably won’t admit it on this forum, but I hope that it was reciprocated. You’re both very intelligent and passionate about what you believe, and I admire that. I hope that you have a great weekend, Be careful on the wet roads!

DBH

February 4th, 2010
9:47 pm

I applaud this bold move. It’s about time people recognize how the mindset of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood have decimated black families for decades with their “targeted” abortion strategies. Contrary to popular belief, blacks are traditionally PRO-LIFE and I address the issue blacks and life on my Web site at: http:www.blackthen.com.

And to the often-asked question of how many of us pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty? I am on both counts. The difference in the two that people like the person who posed the question REFUSES to understand, is that one involves the innocent and the other involves the guilty. And before you up and bring the Bible into all this (as those who think like you usually try to do), the Commandment does not say “thou shalt not kill.” The correct translation is “thou shalt not “murder.” Big difference.

lilt

February 4th, 2010
9:48 pm

“nether regions?” Are you for real, Life and Liberty Person? You just made an excellent argument for the legal right for abortion.

Losing fight

February 4th, 2010
9:49 pm

Keep fighting for the government’s right to dictate what people can do with their bodies. All the time, energy and money you’re spending could feed a lot of starving children, but the anti-choice zealots would rather waste it on a losing fight.

Joe

February 4th, 2010
9:53 pm

Abortion is not a moral argument. It is an economic necessity.

BE THE CHANGE.

February 4th, 2010
9:55 pm

When I say education, I obviously don’t mean that having a college degree is going to keep anyone from wanting to have sex. There’s nothing wrong with having sex, the problem is that they’re not being educated on how to have safe sex, and that results in way too many pregnancies that are unplanned and children that aren’t wanted.

Also, I’m not going to say that everyone makes the right choice every time. That would be asinine. But what makes you think you or anyone else can make that decision for them? As a woman, I know personally would not bring a child into this world if I didn’t think I would be able to protect and provide for that child. But every woman has the right to make that choice for herself, and it’s appalling that anyone would try to take away that right.

lilt

February 4th, 2010
10:00 pm

Your abstinence programs are a joke. You don’t even adopt the unwanted babies. You are bullies at centers for pregnant girls. Your “friends” have actually murdered abortion doctors. You don’t cherish life, you covet righteousness.

fultonrighty

February 4th, 2010
10:01 pm

Joe, I am scared by your utilitarian view of life. God forbid YOU ever get incapacitated or even “economically disabled.” I hope you won’t be treated like you want to treat the unborn.

Your life is far more than your ability to contribute to society, your economic value, your emotional value to others. You are a human being to be respected, cared for, and protected. You are not expendable and disposable.

DBH

February 4th, 2010
10:02 pm

@ BE THE CHANGE: You say it is “appalling” that anyone would try and take away the “right” of a woman to abort an unborn child. But let’s apply your logic to the issue of slavery when blacks, not unlike the unborn today, were considered as “non-persons.” Would you also argue that it would be “appalling” for abolitionists to try to take away the “right” of a slave owner to own another human being simply because a court ruled that the slave was property and not a person? After all, it’s their slave and they should be able to do what they please with it, right?

The Cynical White Boy

February 4th, 2010
10:03 pm

A Very Wise Woman Once Said:

“If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”

There ya go.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:11 pm

If it were the “woman’s body” then she would be dead after an abortion. It is not her body. Rather, she is carrying another human being. I have personally had 4 abortions, and that happened because I failed to use birth control and willingly had unprotected sex. Then when I got pregnant, I nonchalantly had abortions. It was like my birth control. Women are not stupid. We know that if we have sex with no birth control, we just might get knocked up. Furthermore, they women know abortion is wrong, but do it anyway. Personally, I have always known that abortion was wrong, that it is murder, but I did it because it was convenient for ME. Women need to take more responsibilty and stop making babies that they either don’t want and abort, or have and can’t feed. That goes for black, white and any other “race.” But I will say this: There may be more whites on welfare and getting abortions, but black folks are disproportionately aborting children or having them end up on welfare. But all of us need to spreading our legs if we are unwilling to have a baby and are unable to feed them. Women in particular need to stop having babies by every new boyfriend they get. I am now married, pregnant and in the financial position to have a child, and it’s funny how the “fetus” is now my child–from conception!

lilt

February 4th, 2010
10:11 pm

Right on, White Boy!!

fultonrighty

February 4th, 2010
10:12 pm

to lilt–actually there aren’t a lot of “unwanted babies.” I am blessed to have been able to adopt two infants whose teen birthmothers chose to carry them to term and then chose us to be their parents. Less than 1% of women in unplanned pregnancies choose adoption; half choose abortion, half choose parenting. I admire those who make the loving, sacrificial choice to go through pregnancy and delivery and then place them to a home ready and able to provide love and A FATHER. It is a tough choice, but we know at least one of our birthmothers has gone on to education, marriage and motherhood. The other we have been unable to stay in touch with.

Black babies are very adoptable, but their birthmothers prefer black couples, and they are harder to come by. Adoption is becoming more valued in black churches.

It is mostly the formerly neglected and abused kids in foster care who are difficult to place, not “unwanted babies.” Literally tens of thousands of couples are awaiting babies to adopt, and few are available.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:13 pm

Sorry for the typos.

Idiocracy

February 4th, 2010
10:17 pm

This is the least intelligent conversation I’ve ever seen on here and that’s saying something!

You want to talk about racism? I can’t count how many teachers I have heard say about little black boys and girls, “Some people shouldn’t have children,” but who are adamandly pro-life. How do they reconcile this contradiction, you ask? Well, they don’t, because they’re idiots with no grasp of logic.

And these are people teaching our children. I’m sure some of you were taught by the very same by the looks of the lack of facts and logic on this thread. Especially y’all who couldn’t understant that non-profit means not making a profit. Duh!

Enjoy your ignorance everyone. Ever see the movie Idiocracy? We’re headed that way….

The world will end not with a bang, but with a “duh…..”

Wade

February 4th, 2010
10:20 pm

Survey questions for those pro-lifers out there:

1) Do you support abstinence only education or an alternate sex education?
2) What do you think of gay couples adopting?

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:21 pm

@idiocracy: you should have named yourself “idiot” if you don’t think that somebody is profiting from a so-called non-profit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dr. Aborto

February 4th, 2010
10:24 pm

I have hope that the democrat party will eventually abort themselves into extinction.

Wade

February 4th, 2010
10:24 pm

3) If abortion is made illegal, will people continue to do it, but in a more unhealthy manner?

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
10:27 pm

There are a lot of anti-choice doozies in this thread but this had me rolling: “A baby’s brain waves can be detected 6 weeks after conception.”
Thou shalt not bear false witness ring a bell?

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:29 pm

@ wade:
1) we should all be pro-life. if you are not then there is something fundamentally wrong with you.
2) I believe parents should be educating their children about sex according to their own moral code–but most are too damn sorry–but if it is done in schools, we have to be realistic an know that many kids are not raised right and will therefore throw their bodies to anyone who asks–so you might just need alt to abstinence
3) I am not in favor of homosexuality per se, but I respect the people, and I believe that anyone who wants to give a child love should be able to do so. Some folks are afraid that they will teach the kids that it is ok to be homosexual–which may be the case–but I think it could also teach kids to love one another no matter the race, sex, orientation or whatever other difference they mey have.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:31 pm

@wade: I can speak for myself and say that if abortion had been illegal, I would have likely thought twice before getting knocked up in the first place. And if I did get pregnant, I would have been more likely to have the baby.

vuduchld

February 4th, 2010
10:32 pm

I live in Memphis, which has one of the HIGHEST infant mortality rates in the nation. No, not abortion, INFANT MORTALITY RATES, so how can black women be a target of pro-choice groups. The “Radiance Foundation” or whatever they are is yet another example of the foolishness going on in America. Most of the women I know have or are having children. So tell, me when the child is born who picks up the future tab, Radiance Foundation? Of course not, they are headed off to another faux cause, whatever the hell that is. These people have not and will never care about a child because they’re too wrapped up in soliciting donations to keep the gravy train afloat.

If these people were serious and trust me, they’re not, it all about INFANT MORTALITY RATES, not abortions!!

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:34 pm

@ sarah: don’t know about the brain waves but there is definitely a heart beat at 6 weeks. Wen you are at the abortion clinic, they don’t let you hear it, and turn the monitor away. But when I got pregnant with this child, I saw her and I saw and heard her little heart beating at 6 weeks. That is when I truly realized what I had done by having abortions.

Wade

February 4th, 2010
10:36 pm

Ouch on number 1! But you still haven’t answered the real number 3.

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
10:36 pm

The same people who pretend to give a crap about black babies will be the first to shun a black mother with children who struggles to feed, clothe, educate and obtain health care for their black children. It’s so transparent. “Not my tax dollars!” is probably on the tip of their tongue at all times. I imagine they don’t want to live near families of color or let their own lilly white spawn have black friends (or, GASP! boyfriends) either. Hypocrites.

lilt

February 4th, 2010
10:38 pm

Thank you for your comment, Fultonrighty. You are very blessed to have those children in your life. I think adoption is a wonderful thing, But the number of unwanted children, far outweighs the adoptive parents. The recent surge of adopting Asian babies makes no sense to me. There are so many children in our own backyard that need a family.

law

February 4th, 2010
10:38 pm

where are these pro lifers when i comes to that homeless person dying on the street because he doesn’t have health insurance???? its funny how they are alway preaching about life, and claim to be the most sound_minded god fearing people on earth; but in a heartbeat will drop a bomb on anyone that doesn’t agree with them. the only time they are pro-life is when it pertains to abortion. they don’t care about the environment, hispanic, blacks or any other ethnic group. for god sakes they killed and destroyed a whole region based on them being arab or muslims. conservatives are murderers. im not saying abortion is right, but they conservatives are responsible for whole lot more deaths than those women walking into abortion clinics

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:41 pm

@ wade: I thought I did answer the real #3 at 10:31. But I guess to be more to the point, I think abortions would decrease because folks these days have heard enough about these back room abortions to know how unsafe they are. Trust me, these women don’t want to risk killing themselves in the process of killing the baby.

Wade

February 4th, 2010
10:43 pm

Touche, thanks for answering my question. I agree with you in some ways, but respectfully disagree in others.

ron chandonia

February 4th, 2010
10:46 pm

The headline on ajc.com, like the headline of this column, claims, “Anti-Abortion Group Targets Black Women.” Targets??? Like Scott Roeder? Please! If you would just read the information on the group’s website, you’d see that it is the abortion establishment and their supporters who have been targeting African American women . . . and their babies. I notice that the people leading the charge on this are black–including Catherine Davis from GA Right to Life, who caused quite a stir at the March for Life in Atlanta a couple weeks back (don’t look for an account of that event in the ajc). That does not seem to be the case with the Friends of Planned Parenthood here who seem to think there are already too many black folks around for their taste.

janet

February 4th, 2010
10:47 pm

Pro life people are really just pro birth. Once the baby arrives, mother and child are on their own.
No one has mentioned that 75% of black children are born to single mothers. Maybe this group should just spend their money on free birth control for all women. That would eliminate the need for many of the abortions and of course reduce the excess of children born to unwed mothers. And don’t forget that the leading killer of black women ages 18-35 in America is AIDS. I would say that should be bill board.

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
10:47 pm

That’s very nice about the heartbeat. Now, why is that significant exactly? Because the heart is irrationally thought of as emotional, full of love, etc? Why not carp about the time the fetus’ GI tract develops?
All animals have heartbeats, btw, so I’m sure it’s safe to assume you’re also an animal rights activist, right?

Jim Galloway is a coward

February 4th, 2010
10:49 pm

call the group what it is….PRO LIFE not anti abortion. Liberal scum

Dear Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:49 pm

Lordy people, non-profit means the organization and any investors do not make a profit. Period. Do you know what “profit” means?

From Webster’s:
1 : a valuable return : gain
2 : the excess of returns over expenditure in a transaction or series of transactions; especially : the excess of the selling price of goods over their cost
3 : net income usually for a given period of time
4 : the ratio of profit for a given year to the amount of capital invested or to the value of sales
5 : the compensation accruing to entrepreneurs for the assumption of risk in business enterprise as distinguished from wages or rent

It is an economic term meaning the revenue of a business or enterprise that exceeds that business or enterprise’s expenses. There are laws in this country that state how an organization is defined as a non-profit for tax purposes, and they include the requirement that no person or investor makes a profit from the organization’s enterprises. There are even requirements about excess benefits for employees or board members so it would be very difficult for someone to create a massive swindle and profit from the organization illegally in that way. The IRS is pretty strict about these things, and rightfully so, because a non-profit and its donors are exempt from taxes on the money it collects.

Therefore, since the IRS agrees and the annual report lays out all the numbers, I believe we can safely say that Planned Parenthood is not making a profit. Do their employees get paid? Of course, but so do the employees of pro-life organizations, pregnancy support centers, and likely the foundation who funded this billboard (if it has any).

Look, I really don’t enjoy seeing people show their ignorance. It makes me very sad and depressed about the future of America. Here’s an idea for everyone here: before posting anything else, make sure to look up all the words you are using to make sure they mean what you think they mean and look up all the facts from a non-biased source to make sure you’ve got your facts straight. I just did that myself right now before hitting enter. That way, people won’t be able to dismiss you for those reasons, and you can really make your voice heard for those things you strongly believe in. Regardless of our differences on this issue, we can all benefit from having all the facts!

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:51 pm

@Sarah: I am one of those people who “pretends” to give a crap about black babies. In fact, I do give a crap about black babies–and all babies for that matter. In fact, I am a black person carrying a child by my white husband. Furthermore, is it so hard for you to believe that people could actually care about black babies. If so, you need to ask yourself why that is. I care about the black children, which is why I neither want to see them aborted NOR on welfare. You do know that these two things are not mutually exclusive right? I don’t shun black moms (or white ones) with kids on welfare, but I do beleive they should be ashamed of themselves when they REPEATEDLY get pegnant in the first place knowing they cannot care for the children or provide a dad.

Jim Galloway is a coward

February 4th, 2010
10:53 pm

call it was it is…PRO LIFE and ANTI LIFE

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:55 pm

@ Dear Tina: I hate to be crass but you could have saved all that crap. Hpw long did it take you to do the research for your mini-book. We know the org and investors (the folks who are hit up for the cash) do not get a profit, but you are dumb if you don’t think the operators/founders/employees don’t get paid–you are too foolish. I probably shouldn’t even be responding to you but I’m just sitting here in my bed…

Roxy

February 4th, 2010
10:57 pm

By the way… I’d like to have every Man and Woman against abortion personally break out their check book and put their money where their mouth is. Hey… why not set up their own personal website and say “If you are thinking of aborting your child…we promise to pesonally provide medical care, take you & your child into our home, feed & cloth you both, put you (Mom) thru the best Ivy League College and pay for everything…and that goes for your kid too….because we simply care that much.” (Pffffttttt….see if that ever happens). Like I said, put your money where your mouth is people. Give up your life savings, sacrifice your future and devote your life, unconditionally and with all the love in your big fat mouth (I mean hearts) and ….put your money where your mouth (heart) is. HA HA HA…. what a joke. Anyone that has a relationship with God (the real deal) would NEVER judge another soul. What would Jesus do eh? Smile…you are on Fake Religious Can [not] Did camera. Whhhaa whoooo…I’m sure you read your bibles today eh? (Smacks & two Thumbs up for the effort). Anyway…I love & feel for you lost souls that are so clueless you forget that the journey not the destination is knowking the love & grace of your Maker. Try this…go back to 2nd grade religious instruction and get in touch with reality. God Bless (I know Jesus forgives your stupidity…as he does all fools & children…or maybe that is just the Cops that police I285…I know somebody said that – lol) Pray for the Americans on Foreign & protect the Soliders right here in America … find a cause that you can DO SOMETHING about! Feed families & children alive. Adopt a pet or child with no home. Save your self for Pete’s sake. ROXY.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
10:58 pm

@ sarah: ell me you are not asking why a heartbeat is significant. Let yours stop beating and see what happens.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:00 pm

@ Sarah: typo…meant to type “Tell me…”

Roxy

February 4th, 2010
11:02 pm

By the way…. PS … bring on your comments & challenge me for I am not afraid. I know his peace. Do you? Guess what…if nothing changes… well then..nothing changes. Change me I welcome it. Embrace me and let me change you. Together we can learn twice as much.

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
11:02 pm

Tina, when are your brain waves going to begin? The heart is not the only significant life-sustaining organ in the body, and yet you people act like it means something.
I have a heartbeat and I’m actually living outside my mother’s womb. Do I get to attach myself to another person against his/her will in order to live off his/her bodily functions? Born people do not have the right to do such a thing; neither should the unborn. Start advocating for mandatory organ donation and I’ll take you seriously.

I wish anti-choicers would educate themselves about the definition of “for-profit” and “non-profit,” by the way. I’m sick of watching them make fools of themselves talking out of their asses.

Roxy

February 4th, 2010
11:03 pm

I see my first commentary has not been published (chicken livers…freaking Southern Baptist brain washing….fabulous people (HA HA)…

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
11:05 pm

Roxy I’m sure they’re too busy protesting universal health care and demonizing Obama and evil liberals as SOCIALISTS OOGA BOOGA! The proof is in the pudding: they do not care about life.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:09 pm

@ Sarah: I think I know you. You are this red-headed white girl who works tirelessly for the poor. But I digress. As a previous blooger said, you can tell when people are out of ammunition because they start hurling personal insults. If you think its ok to kill babies, then so be it. And clearly I know that a life cannot be sustained by the heart alone, but you would agree it’s sorta important if you wanna keep on livin. Certain stuff you can live without. I personally am missing a organ. The point about the heartbeat is that it is a clear signal that the life process has really begun. It is a beautiful thing. Stop advocating killing babies because some folks are griping about paying taxes.

csquared

February 4th, 2010
11:09 pm

@Roxy, 10:57pm That’s the most reasonable yet farfetched argument against the pro-lifers i’ve seen tonight.
Put up or shut up. You can’t have it both ways. If you DEMAND that women who get pregnant carry these children to term, what the H** are you prepared to do when they DO? The answer for most of them is NOTHING. ANd be sure, i’m not talking about volunteering at pregnancy centers, performing any number of “drives” and that cr*p. I’m talking about being there at 6:30 in the morning so that mom can get on MARTA for a two hour ride to work. Making sure that the CHILD you demanded be brought into the world can get healthcare at a reasonable cost. Making sure that this MOTHER doesn’t have to choose between being at work and being able to stay HOME with a sick child and NOT risking her job. I guarantee most of the RIGHTERS are from leisure classes and have no worries that REAL people do.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:12 pm

@ Sarah: and furthermore, it was the woman’s “choice” to have this “unborn” person attach itself to her and live off her when she laid down and had SEX WITHOUT PROTECTION. The baby did not just appear out of the thin air.

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
11:16 pm

Tina, you are not following. You are either unable to understand what I am saying or you are dodging my points. Even full-grown people with heartbeats are not legally permitted to use another person’s body against their will, so it does not matter when a fetus’ heartbeat begins. No matter what, is it alive ONLY because of a woman’s biology, which is why it is a woman’s decision whether or not to continue sustaining it’s life with her own body.

I think it’s cute that some dude admitted he and his ilk are anti-choice because they’re bitter some women they slept with made choices about their bodies. No, the baby didn’t appear out of thin air. Yet you never hear “shut your legs” directed at men.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:25 pm

Sarah: I am an educated professional just like you, so please don’t insult me by telling me that I am not following you. Just because you disagree with me that you don’t follow me, it simply means that you are ignoring any potentially valid point that I am making. I do not believe that you are stupid, but neither am I. Its just that I have been there, and I know both sides of the story. I also know that you cannot choose to live your life as you please, and then just end the life process of someone who will eventually exist outside the womb and become something really good. And if women (and I point out women because we are the ones who have the power to have babies–screw the men–this is about women looking out for themselves!) who for some reason do not want some little “parasite” latching onto them, then we do need to be more sexually responsible.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:26 pm

@ Sarah excuse typos: Just because you disagree with me does NOT mean that you don’t follow me.

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
11:27 pm

If you are educated that means you are intentionally dodging and misrepresenting and ignoring my points. Go tell a woman who’s aborted a wanted pregnancy due to threats to her health or fetal abnormality she should have shut her legs. You’ll really get what’s coming to you.

Juanita

February 4th, 2010
11:31 pm

Abortion should only be legal in severe cases where there is a distinct danger the child, or one of the suspected fathers, might be black.

csquared

February 4th, 2010
11:34 pm

shame on you for that Juanita, or is it Juan? either way it equals moron. go back to bed,. you have to be out of you gramma’s basement later today.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:35 pm

Sarah, So are you now limiting abortions to those with health threats and fetal defects? Well, I am one of those women. Thank God no fetal abnormalities that are currently detectable, but I am one of those women who faces serious threats to my own health by having a child but I am doing it anyway. And the point about shutting your legs is about those who are constantly irresponsible in their sex life as I once was–which is why I had four abortions. You cannot continue to keep having babies with no way to feed them or else keep getting pregnant and having abortions. Start thinking for your self because frankly your arguments sound like something you heard at your book club or something someone told you over a latte or whatever ya’ll call it.

baraqiel

February 4th, 2010
11:36 pm

@Tina – “The point about the heartbeat is that it is a clear signal that the life process has really begun.” That’s got to be the most arbitrary thing I’ve ever heard. “The life process”, as you put it, has been ongoing since the first single-celled organisms billions of years ago. There are not discrete points where one organism suddenly comes alive from nothing. The sperm and the egg are living cells, they come together to make the zygote, which is also a living cell, and the zygote undergoes mitosis to form new cells *without* the “life process” ever having been broken or having a discrete starting point. Having a heartbeat signifies nothing. You can live without a fully functional heart — medical science has progressed to the point where technology can make up the gap — and a heart stopping is not the medical definition of death. So I think you’re just being sentimental rather than rational here.

Moreover, statistically speaking, a majority of women who get abortions in the US were using contraception during the month when they got pregnant (cf the Guttmacher Institute).

Not to mention, this billboard makes no sense because the birth rate for black women is significantly higher than that of any other ethnic group in the U.S. except Asian/Pacific Islander woman. It’s incoherent to use the word “endangered” for a population that is growing.

Tina

February 4th, 2010
11:40 pm

@baraquiel: Wow, you are really going out of your way to defend killing babies. But anyway, I wish I could do this all night because it is interesting to hear other points of view, but it’s really time to go to sleep. I will probably read one last comment from Sarah and then try to go to sleep.

97 degree yogurt

February 4th, 2010
11:43 pm

Do pious individuals oppose abortion because they crave as much control over people as possible? (The main reason for religion in the first place)

Or is it because they are sad they may be losing a potential future member of their religion? (Increased market share)

Any thoughts?

baraqiel

February 4th, 2010
11:45 pm

Mmmm, I love it when stating simple facts is described as “going out of my way”. I’m just trying to help educate the masses, Tina! I consider it my calling in life — it’s really no trouble at all.

Sarah

February 4th, 2010
11:49 pm

Good grief, Tina; you’re a real piece of work. I am not limiting anything. I am pointing out that not all women who have abortions aborted unwanted fetuses. Some aborted wanted fetuses. So your “shut your legs” line doesn’t always apply. It’s misogynist at worst and plain stupid at best. You made your choices so you have to live with them. Let other women live their own lives.

Christine

February 5th, 2010
12:03 am

Tina, just because you were irresponsible doesn’t mean you get to dictate what other women can and should do. If you believe abortion is murder, then it follows that you also believe you yourself are a serial killer. Do you think you should be sentenced to life in prison? Please get off your high horse and try to do something positive with your life for once.

Just a Thought

February 5th, 2010
12:34 am

How many “pro-choice” people have actually had abortions? How many have suffered through the agony of the depression that ensues for years even as you constantly tell yourself….my baby would have been 5 years old…16 years old…etc.? That painful memory lasts a lifetime. Just the pain that follows is proof enough that killing your child is wrong! How many “pro-choicers” have suffered the agony and shame that follows complicated abortions as women literally rot and stink for weeks from the procedures? Or they break down crying uncontrollably at the most random times long after they have an abortion. This is the reality. Don’t sanitize it.

It is unnatural for a woman to “choose” to kill her child. Our society has so devalued life….especially the life of black people…that taking a life has become a political issue…a cause to be championed by advocates. This happens in a society where more people are concerned with someone wearing animal furs than protecting the most innocent and helpless human being on the planet…the unborn. As a society….we send a man to federal prison for killing DOGS but we legalize the murder of HUMAN BEINGS. No one can convince me that this makes any sense. Forget the “issue”. Just think about it from the perspective of a normal person. It doesn’t make sense. I agree that there needs to be more help for those living in poverty. Poverty is a problem. But never should circumstances dictate what is right and wrong.

Peggy Lehner

February 5th, 2010
12:39 am

Judging by all the comments the billboards are very effective. Listen to everyone finally talking about the disproportionate rate of abortion within the black community. Go GRTL-keep speaking the truth. People are listening.

Penny

February 5th, 2010
12:55 am

Just for the record- I have never met a more generous group of people than the pro-life community. These people spend their entire lives worrying about and handing over half of their paychecks to fund crisis pregnancy homes, diaper/formula drives, and daycares for moms who want to continue their education so they can support their families. . . and they don’t leave these women helpless after the baby is born, either. If they spend a small percentage of their efforts/money on informing women that Planned Parenthood executives don’t have their best interest at heart, how does this make them evil? (By the way, executives CAN make big money off of their non-profit organizations- have you checked the news lately???)
And contraceptives- Are you kidding!!!! Why do you think we have so many abortions? Every time a contraceptive fails, and they DO, another child is at risk of being snuffed out by his/her own mom. Hitler would have loved the idea of convincing the Jewish race to kill their own children.

southmedic

February 5th, 2010
1:26 am

i am against abortion, but to say that black children are becoming an endangered species is ludicrous. south georgia is being overrun with black children, most from single mothers with 3-4 kids whose fathers don’t take care of them bc they have 3-4 other kids by 3-4 other women.

IhatePETA&ProLifers

February 5th, 2010
1:43 am

This ad was made by some ignorant krakkkerz!!! Anyone with sense knows black women don’t get abortions.

1. Afraid of God. Thou shalt not kill
2. They like welfare checks or child support
3. They can keep a life long contact with the baby daddy
4. Somebody to love them when baby daddy leaves for the next best thing.

Abbysenia

February 5th, 2010
2:20 am

These clinics must REALLY be well hid. I’m black. I frequent black neighborhoods. I know women (black women) who have had abortions and I don’t recall them saying they were in black communities or, that they were TARGETED or pressured to have abortions. I know some people that probably should have had an abortion (I know that’s horrible to say, but you don’t know the people) and a few who probably should’ve had vasectomies. But I digress; I’m very leery of this statistic. It could be true…but I know people impassioned can be sloppy with their numbers if not down right lie. I work with pregnant women all day. I work with women, with private and public coverage. The U.S. population is still growing. The black population is still growing. From my casual observations…I don’t see black babies to be an endangered group. Now I see black MEN who the babies grow up to be as being endangered. I know this is about Georgia…but I have heard that Mississippi…which has a VERY high proportion of black residences has only ONE abortion clinic. Does anyone know who true this is!? But concluding, if these people are so concerned about babies being aborted…I would like to seem them distributing more condoms and devoting more resources to child care…but then I guess that would bee too easy.

Heidi

February 5th, 2010
2:51 am

I didn’t know Black people were a separate species. This is beyond insulting.

rothstein

February 5th, 2010
5:38 am

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StoliBob

February 5th, 2010
5:50 am

I totally agree. The abortions are necessary, we already have too many NBA thugs, too much crime, and too many people. After all, people today aren’t responsible for their actions, so lets eliminate a potential problem. Feel free to pencil me in as RACIST.

Try Me

February 5th, 2010
6:20 am

Always interesting to see how committed white liberals are to preserving high rates of abortion in the black community.

Pandora

February 5th, 2010
7:27 am

I have read some of these comments and I have a question…why do you people keep saying ‘black….poor’? First of all if a person is black DOES not automatically make them poor. Second of all I worked at an abortion clinic before and do you know what I witnessed? WHITE WOMEN!!! They were of all classes. There were about 90% of white women and 10% black women there to have an abortion! So stop saying it’s only black and poor women! Women of ALL ECONOMIC backgrounds have abortions..oh btw..the clinic is located in Midtown Atlanta – a predominately white area….at any rate women of all economic backgrounds are having abortions and killing innocent babies! I am totally against abortions…the sign need to show babies of other races as well. They need to have white babies, latino babies, asian babies…women of all races are having abortions…

Average Joe

February 5th, 2010
7:27 am

The black community needs a hand up rather than more of the same 40 years of a government provided crutch. More black role models like Mr. Bill Cosby need to come forward and mentor the young to provide and environment that is beneficial to the child and family as a whole. The single parent mentality of the black community has to change; otherwise the behavioral pattern of the youth will never be broken. The volatile issue of abortion will never be solved on this type of blog, nor by the government. However, the issue of abortion in the black community will need to championed by the true leaders and educators of the black church and families , not the Rev. Jessie Jackson’s of the world looking for the next media sound bite.

Bree

February 5th, 2010
7:50 am

It’s a woman’s choice. No one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. If you’re a man, you have no say in this whatsoever. And for those who are yelping about how it’s “murder”…what about the sperm that go in the condom after sex? Those are also living things who are killed through suffocation and then deposited in a trash can.

Sarah

February 5th, 2010
8:05 am

“As a society….we send a man to federal prison for killing DOGS but we legalize the murder of HUMAN BEINGS. No one can convince me that this makes any sense.”

It makes perfect sense to me. Do you know what “sentient” means? I’d save a born animal (of any species) who can feel pain, fear, agony, etc. over a freaking fertilized egg (of any species) any day.

DBH

February 5th, 2010
8:06 am

Uh, Bree, we’re talking about HUMAN life, not just living “things.” Sperm, in and of itself, does not constitute human life, so if it dies it dies. Human life begins at CONCEPTION and, as I hope you know, a sperm cannot conceive by itself. Sheesh! :-/

DBH

February 5th, 2010
8:25 am

Sarah: You talk about “born” animals, but you do realize, don’t you, that at 20 weeks of gestation, all pain receptors and anatomical links to the brain for feeling pain are in place in the developing UNBORN child?

In fact, Dr. Robert J. White, professor of neurosurgery at Case Western Reserve University, has affirmed that (direct quote from Dr. White): “An unborn child at 20 weeks gestation is fully capable of experiencing pain. Without question, abortion is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant subject to such a surgical procedure.” Conversely, Dr. Steven Calvin, perinatologist, University of Minnesota, states: “The neural pathways are present for pain to experienced quite early in unborn babies.”

So, I really hope you’re not trying to argue that only the “born” feel pain.

Josephine

February 5th, 2010
8:58 am

The problem with the Pro-Life movement is that its proponents are actually Pro-Fetus. They don’t care a bit about the child once it’s born…and they surely don’t care about the woman who has the child. They don’t support birth control, they don’t support Head Start or reduced/free lunches, they don’t support anti-poverty programs that would help poor women with children. They aren’t rushing out to adopt all these children they want to make sure other women give birth to. They want to control other people’s private lives, plain and simple.

Ashley

February 5th, 2010
9:05 am

Though the sign might have some truth in it, it is kind of harsh to call out a single race. They should have been just a sign against abortions. It seems that it is easy for some groups to label black people with negative things. I don’t think that I would never see such an ad with a white female saying the same thing or anything negative. I just think this is picking on black people to get certain messages across. These people giving money to causes need to look into the real cause of thing and go after the solution. Because this ad only makes people aware of whats going on but, it wont stop the problem, it just put it out in the open without a real solution.

fultonrighty

February 5th, 2010
9:05 am

Sarah, it is illegal to destroy the eggs of endangered birds–why would that be? In this country right now eggs and fetuses of endangered animal species have more protection than any unborn human baby. Sadly that may be why the billboard campaign says “Black Children are an Endangered Species.”

Georgia Whig Party member

February 5th, 2010
9:14 am

wow…250+ comments. This issue really gets people going. Can’t remember the last blog entry section that exploded like this. However we are mixing race, politics, and abortion all in one, so that might explain the exploding comment pages…geez, think I will just ‘duck and cover’ on this one.

Duh

February 5th, 2010
9:19 am

1.You are a human being to be respected, cared for, and protected….(Cmon folks, we know that black men and women are the most disrespected people on earth. You are not expendable and disposable…..(Blacks are pushed into the military frontlines more than any other racial group. My point is that we have to let God judge those for having an abortion, it is a sin no less or greater than those who commit a host of other sins. Our problem is that we try to play our sins against others with the thought that God has a measurement system for sin. IT IS ALL SIN FOLKS….stop judging!!!

fultonrighty

February 5th, 2010
9:39 am

Hmmmm. I just googled Radience Foundation and Ryan Bomburger and found out he is African American and also was conceived via rape then adopted. Maybe puts a diffferent light on the “endangered species” usage–
http://www.theradiancefoundation.org/thanks4givingmelife/whoisryan.html

Libertarian Man

February 5th, 2010
9:40 am

The billboards don’t give much support to women and families faced with difficult decisions. . If those follks really cared about black children, they would offer to either adopt or support all fetuses from conception to 18. What they reallly care about is controlling women and society, because their particular god has directed them to do so.

John K

February 5th, 2010
9:45 am

I think it’s great that the pro-lifers are putting their money where their mouth is, and there are no more children left to be adopted. Oh, wait…..

fultonrighty

February 5th, 2010
9:57 am

As I said earlier there are plenty of children to adopt from the foster care system (most of those have been removed from their parents because of abuse and neglect), but very few BABIES are available–though some special needs, crack babies who are available for adoption are difficult to place. The healthy infants available for adoption are overwhelmingly being waited for by prospective adoptive couples everywhere. Ask any adoption agency. Most girls now in unplanned unwed pregnancy either abort or parent their babies–adoption is not even considered by most–”I could never carry a baby for 9 months and then give it away.” is the common refrain. But adoption these days is about the birthmother evaluating profiles, meeting and CHOOSING the couple who will raise her child. It has changed radically over the past 25 years.

Holly FU

February 5th, 2010
11:31 am

Thank you RUKiddingMe. Guess my ancestors were right to put all you black ppl in chains…you ain’t even the same species as me! The bilboard told me so. Racist as$%*%$#. Spend the money more wisely…I have had two abortions in my life and may have thought otherwise if I had had other options. This billboard design does nothing but inspire guilt or outrage…And based on what I have read so far…It can be considered a success. How about information on alternative choices? AHHH that word choice. It pisses so many people off.

Sarah

February 5th, 2010
12:38 pm

fultonrighty, endangered species’ eggs are protected because the animals are endangered. When humans are at risk of dying out, come talk to me. In fact, the world would probably be a better place if humans weren’t so populous.

DBH: I am not claiming only the born can feel pain. But the vast majority of abortions are performed WELL before the fetus can feel pain or have anything going on in their brains at all. In fact it’s not even legal to get a third trimester abortion unless there are serious risks to life or the fetus has an abnormality incompatible with life.

Dear: Just a Thought

February 5th, 2010
1:39 pm

Just because that’s how your abortion experience was, doesn’t mean that’s every woman’s abortion experience.

It’s estimated 35% of women get one. We’re not a monolith.

Natalie

February 5th, 2010
1:39 pm

I agree with some many of the comments regarding the billboard and trying to educate the general public on just who abortion mills are targeting. BTW, why is it that the media use the words ‘anti-abortion’ – are they afraid if they use the word ‘pro-life’ that they might pursuade readers to the truth about the ‘choice’ a person makes?

Dear: DBH

February 5th, 2010
1:45 pm

Fewer that 2% of abortions happen after 21 weeks. And that’s pretty much only in the case of the mother’s health/the fetus will die anyway/ etc. So your argument about “pain receptors” is out.

Natalie

February 5th, 2010
1:47 pm

Hey, Libertarian Man…I don’t want to control anyone, just want to see that if a life is created that they are given the same opportunities as you or I. If my Mother, who conceived me before she was married, was able to ‘choose’, perhaps I wouldn’t be here today. God gave us a tremendous gift and we are spitting in His face everytime we destroy that gift. Someday you’ll know why we are placed on earth and how we are all called upon to do the right thing. Who are you kidding, you know what the right thing is…you all do.

Aoscruggs

February 5th, 2010
2:02 pm

This pro-choice African American woman is confused: the same groups that want to insure my right to bear a child condemn me when I do by calling me a “welfare mother” or a “welfare queen.” They insist I’m only bearing children because they’ll increase my welfare payments. They look down on WIC vouchers and other public programs that help out poor children because they don’t want their tax dollars going to folks who are too lazy to work.
As if African American women don’t pay taxes.

The irony is, of course, the folks who put up the billboard don’t give a damn about African Americans. We’re just another niche who can help them accomplish their goal of outlawing abortion and – dare I say it – contraception in general.

Now, if I saw these folks advocating for programs benefiting African-American children – programs like Head Start, or public-private partnerships promoting nutrition and education – I might respect their stance on abortion.

I’m waiting, and my eyes are wide open.

Chris Mathews is covered in his own spittle because he is drinking, again and becacuse he is a racist

February 5th, 2010
2:20 pm

Dr. Aborto

February 5th, 2010
2:27 pm

I have hope that the libs and democrat party will eventually abort themselves into extinction.

Sparky

February 5th, 2010
4:31 pm

Doesn’t anyone see the billboard as offensive? Usually when something is considered an “endangered species” its a wild animal. So now pro-lifers are calling black people wild animals. Also, black people aren’t even a seperate species from white people. So pro-lifers are not only racist but also dumb.

Falcon Fan

February 5th, 2010
5:02 pm

So when these kids are born to mothers who can’t handle themselves, then we can let gangs like 30 Deep get a hold of them because know one cares for them.

Chris Mathews is covered in his own spittle because he is drinking, again and becacuse he is a racist

February 5th, 2010
6:19 pm

You wanna see racist? Check this out. I demand that this cat be fired. And I hear that he loves abortions.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/27/msnbcs_matthews_on_obama_i_forgot_he_was_black_tonight.html

sarwa13

February 5th, 2010
7:18 pm

How do they know stats and percentages if Abortions r suppose to be confidential I doubt any women
Black or any other ethnic group take surveys after having one.

Fools

February 6th, 2010
8:28 am

As a multiple time survivor of black violent crime in Atlanta, the more the merrier! A good portion of these black males grow up to be worthless anyways, if you disagree…. whens the last time u saw a Asian or Middle Eastern serial rapist/ killer in Atlanta? Currently theres 2 serial rapist on the loose in Atlanta… both BLACK! Who killed the bartender in East Atlanta? Who killed the Univ of Tenn Couple? Who killed the student leader of UNC? Who killed the girl at Univ of Auburn? Who killed the Cancer reasearcher who let the thug in because she “didnt wanna see racist”?? And your telling me society needs MORE Of these worthless fools running around!??

Fools

February 6th, 2010
8:31 am

Seriously… can you BLAME these black women for their choice when so many of their men make worthless fathers!??

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February 6th, 2010
10:06 am

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lifecounts

February 6th, 2010
1:07 pm

Reading several of the blogs I noticed a reoccurring theme that circumstance enters into the rational of why in many cases black women have abortions. Certainly situational causes influence many of our decisions in life. Lack of money would be what many of the poor black woman who become pregnant would look at and abortion is a simple option for them to get out of their “situation”.
Having grew up in affluent Sandy Springs our family was the have nots living with the haves. In high school I was involved in athletics and recall in wrestling practice going over counter moves when an opponent has an advantage. My question to coach was what do you do to when they have you on your back about to pin you. His reply was do get on your back to begin with. Point well taken by myself.
So my situation was I was a junior and all the kids had cars but me so it seemed. Many got them on their 16th birthday from their parents, but not me. I made a hard decision to go to work at the grocery store in order to buy my own car, which I did after my junior wrestling season was completed. I missed out on the opportunity to wrestle my senior year which I truly regret cause my father had co signed a loan at the bank that I was working to pay off.. However, fitting in and wanting a car had a priority at the time in my life.
I also put myself through night school at KSU some years later and paid for the tuition out of my own pocket while married and buying a house. So when I hear that black woman are situational causes then I remember what my coach told me not to get flat on my back. Same opportunities for black woman today to get an education and make a better life for themselves if that is what they want as I had growing up. Today so much money is available to get an education. So once you have gotten yourself flat on your back, no pun intended, like my wrestling coach says you allowed yourself to get into this position.
If you believe life begins at conception the joining of man and woman to form a new life as I then you have to respect life. A life precious and God given as a gift. We should accept that gift as an act of love and kindess of God. We should reconize if in fact you believe that life is a seperate being at conception and no longer just a part of the man or woman but its own person as something special. Then we as individuals and society need to decide is that life has meaning or can we toss it away like a ole pair of sneakers in the garbage.

Angry Black Woman

February 6th, 2010
3:10 pm

Black children are not an endangered species and I have never been solicited to have an abortion. This is 2010 and we black women have better things to do than have a bunch o’ babies. Shut up. I don’t need you to tell what to do with my body or how to run my life, or that it’s my duty to insure the future of the negro race. Just another way for men to control us.

Chris Mathews is covered in his own spittle because he is drinking, again and becacuse he is a racist

February 6th, 2010
3:19 pm

Look here at the blatant racism. Matthews and the rest of them love abortion. It is a liberal sacrement.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/27/msnbcs_matthews_on_obama_i_forgot_he_was_black_tonight.html:

lanette

February 6th, 2010
5:43 pm

I do not want anybdody telling me what to do with my body. These same people will be the type who will not help anybody financially with a child. In fact these are the same type of people who would vote down anything that would aim to help people who are struggling.

Dhalgren

February 6th, 2010
7:42 pm

Shelly

February 6th, 2010
8:04 pm

I’m so glad to see that Ryan is sending out a positive message with a gorgeous African-American baby on the poster. I understand that a lot of Christians think that it is effective to post graphic images but it must be clear who we re-present. Jesus said that He came that we might have LIFE. Thank-you for showing an image of life and not one of death or guilt. We must be an example of a better way, not shame, hate or condemnation. Thank-you for your message of love. It will be powerful.

Lisa

February 7th, 2010
8:04 am

The reason why more black women have abortions is because more African Americans live in poverty. 70% of black children are born to a single mother. They anti-abortion people are hypicritical. They want people to have babies no matter what, but when the women have the children, they don’t want them to receive any government assistance. The key to reducing abortions is to educate people about birth control (and not tell them only to use abstinence because we know they are having sex). I want to see the anti-abortion people adopt large numbers of black and disabled children. Sign an agreement that says they promise to take care of these children. If they do that, I would support them.

pete12

February 7th, 2010
8:41 am

This is between God and I is what I say.Not a choice for church or state.People should have total control of their own bodies that is freedom.If you dont like freedom why are you in the u.s

pete12

February 7th, 2010
8:49 am

Lisa I agree with you, but this issue could be said about whites to

Bill Orvis White

February 7th, 2010
9:28 pm

@harrison Am I out of my mind? Yes, I’m out of my mind for freedom, Miss Sarah, low/no taxe$ and of course, God. Keep following me and I’ll show you how to be a success in this here life.

Vic

February 8th, 2010
2:00 pm

Big Deal. Put up you billboards. Targeting Black women will do nothing to further your cause.
Black women (black people in general) don’t trust you.

Vic

February 8th, 2010
2:05 pm

One more thing…
Make abortion illegal (anti-abortion group) and all those Black children will be born. A balloon in the Black population in the U.S. will follow. Is that what you want, more Black people in this country.
Right now the Black population is 12 %. I wonder how it would be if the percentage was 45%.
Hmmm…..

Vic

February 8th, 2010
2:12 pm

I know allot of single mothers, mostly Black, and none are poor.
So, single Black women are having their children, and taking care of them.

Judy Carroll

February 8th, 2010
9:04 pm

I always wondered why planned Parenthood didn’t celebrate Margaret Sanger as their foundress, but once I researched her in her own words, I realized that she is in the company of every sub-human ethnic cleanser in history. She is the heroine who coined the phrase “The Negro Project” to prevent African American births and purify the world for Aryans like herself and those she deemed worthy to be born and rule the world. To her credit, unlike the “warrior” ethnic cleansers who left messy dead bodies around to be photographed for posterity, she or her successors found a way to heap further abuse on women abandoned by their baby’s fathers or physically abused by ruffians by feigning compassion for their welfare and convingcing them that abortion of the innocent child would solve their problems. (The guilt and depression afterward would keep this woman in misery all her life.)
Couched in Orwellian euphemisms like, women’s health, women’s right to “choose” (as long as she chooses abortion that is) and warning taxpayers that the children of “poor” women would undoubtedly be a burden on society by growinig up a criminal, drug-addict, disabled, etc. tPlanned Parenthood it off by gosh. Taxpayers didn’t want to spend more money on other folks’ dependent children; parents feared their daughters would have to bear children if raped, scummy deadbeat fathers were happy because they could avoid child support by convincing pregnant paramours that abortion would be best for their “relationship” using PP’s slick catch phrases; incestuous abusive family members could force their victims to legally destroy the infant evidence. And with this “get-out-of-jail-free” card they could continue to abuse more women and children.
Now doesn’t Planned Parenthood give us a warm and cuddly feeling that they are so helpful to women?
And they benefit scummy “rogue” males who want to “play without pay.” Plus they make loads of money on abortions and dispensing pills. Give the devil her due, but Margaret has succeeded where Hitler could not.

[...] “The two groups are citing what they say are federal statistics that indicate 56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African-American women, though black make up 30 percent of the general population.” … [Jim Galloway/Political Insider/Atlanta Journal-Constitution] [...]

Madison

February 9th, 2010
10:38 am

So, does this meant that “WHITE, LATINO, INDIAN, AND ASIAN” women who exercise their RIGHT TO CHOICE are not endangering their racial species? It is ridicolous that BLACK women are being exploited by this group just so that they can get their judgemental and shackling message across. All women should stand up and shout it loud that this is wrong. Especially, if you are a BLACK woman.

LuAnne Leonard

February 9th, 2010
2:07 pm

It’s shock value. And, it’s obviously working. But, many folks may interpret the information as being biased. At face value, it’s telling us that more black women are having abortions. I don’t kknow about the statistical data nationwide, maybe it’s true. What bothers me the most, is that many folks that are pro-life, believe in the death penalty. God was pretty big on free-will. And, it’s a personal choice. And, if there is only one unpardonable sin (blasthemy), then it seems if a woman feels like she has no other choice than to have an abortion (and YOU believe it’s a sin), she can STILL be forgiven. Besides, you can’t mandate morality based upon your own religious preferences. You’ll never know until you’ve been there. It’s a choice, a personal choice. Not yours to make for someone else. Yes, I’m pro-choice.

LuAnne Leonard

February 9th, 2010
2:09 pm

Oops. blasphemy.

Edd Doerr

February 9th, 2010
3:36 pm

If black chldren are an “endangered species” it is NOT because of abortion but because of generations of racism and denial of equal rights. How dare these busybodies try to impose their patriarchalist ideology on women, often poor and disadvantaged, who have unintended or problem pregnancies. If we want to help girls and women of all races and conditions we will tear down the “glass ceilings”, provide equal and good educational opportunities for all kids, provide first rate comprehensive sexuality education to all public school students, and make family planning information and wherewithal universally available. What girls and women of all races DON’T need is fundamentalist sermonizing. — Edd Doerr, President, Americans for Religious Liberty, http://www.arlinc.org

Judy Carroll

February 9th, 2010
7:10 pm

Quotes from the “Noble” Margaret Sanger: (Copyright 2001 Diane S. Dew)

“The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” Women and the New race Eugenics Publ. Co. 1920,1923

On Blacks, immigrants, and indigents: …”human weeds, reckless breeders, spawning…human beings who never should have been born.” MS Pivot of Civilization

The purpose in promoting birth control (is) “to create a race of thoroughbreds” Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p, 2)

On the handicapped, mentally ill, and racial minorities: “More children from the fit, less from the unfit—that is the chief aim of birth control.” Birth Control Review, May 1919 (p.12)

On the Extermination of Blacks: ” We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebelliouos members.” from “Woman’s body, Women’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America”, by Linda Gordon

So, the billboards are correct! The “rebellious members” have awakened. Ms Sanger also wanted young people to learn as much as possible about sex truths, women’s gratification to take precedence over their marriage vows, no religious teaching about human beings respecting their bodies or developing any self-control.

Well, golly gosh; Margie, we have that today —along with the children born to children, the massive increase of STD’s, the breakdown of the family; fatherless boys who join gangs for protection, AIDS decimating Africa and our young people, drugs and alcohol addiction, cervical cancers due to multiple or promiscuous partners, and many people suffering from anxiety and depression. But wait—aren’t we all supposed to be happy, happy, happy now that we are so free?

Margie, old dead girl, your legacy lives in Planned Parenthood! But could you have been wrong?

Kell

February 10th, 2010
1:53 am

I am totally for abortion if that is what a black women wants to do. Despite what pro-liars may think, black women are not stupid. And I’d say they are smart enough to know that if they cannot afford (and I don’t mean just monetarily) to have a child then they should not have one. So an abortion is the right and responsible solution. Regardless of race, there are enough unwanted post born children around that we don’t need a whole new influx.

-Kell
(pro-abortion)

Kell

February 10th, 2010
2:19 am

“But wait—aren’t we all supposed to be happy, happy, happy now that we are so free?”

*raises hand* I’m happy, happy, happy now that we are so free.

I am totally estatic that I actually have choices. Back in the good ol’ days that certain posters here seem to crave for, I would have been left with no choice but to be a slave to my husband, taking care of who knows how many children, no voice on what goes on, and no room to think for myself because the hubby and church would be doing that for me.

I’d rather deal with todays issues that live in the tyranny of the past.

Sangfroid 360 « The Sangfroid

February 10th, 2010
4:49 am

[...] In Georgia, an Anti-Abortion group is posting billboards targeted at African-American women which say, “Black Children Are An Endangered Species”. Um, what? [Atlanta Journal] [...]

[...] groups Georgia Right to Life and the Radiance Foundation have partnered to erect 65 billboards like this one across Georgia, and plan to put up 15 more. The billboard [...]

manuel

February 10th, 2010
12:08 pm

Excuse me but the “this is my body” argument is a little flawed. It was your body when your two naked arms and two naked legs got into bed with that man you didn’t love enough to raise a child with. But once your body carries two arms that aren’t your own and two little legs that belong to and are controlled by another brain function that is not your own you have to admit that their dependency on you is a right that they can expect to be respected. Otherwise you end up being just another spoiled child who doesn’t want to face the consequences of your actions(and don’t throw the rape/incest thing at me unless you are actually saying that you will allow abortion only for non-consentual sexual relations–you do that and the Abortion industry will die for lack of business and your “rapist” boyfriends and husbands will go to jail for rape). I am pro choice in that I respect that every choice has a consequence that needs to be acknowledged. Perhaps you fail to see you conclusions drawn in another sphere. What if mankind said that they could treat their pets and livestock like you treat your “fetus”. Abortion involves ripping limbs and burning with saline solutions what would you say to allowing a farmer to start doing that to his animals. And you pro-lifers that object to the billboard…what are you saying in your politically correct way to end the butchering of babies and the hurting of woman who basically sign their health away to a doctor that will enter their bodies with very scary forceps and vacuum devices in the name of eliminating the natural process of life taking root in its mother’s womb.

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February 10th, 2010
1:18 pm

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Ferrette

February 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

I am black, female and pro-choice

These comments are profoundly disturbing. I have read black women called sluts, stupid, targeted, irresponsible and all manner of hateful things. When will these racist stereotypes die? And why is it anti-choice people throwing these terms around?

The assumption that women are too stupid to make informed decisions about their lives is what the so-called “pro-life” movement feeds off of. What else do they refer to women as “targeted.” Please, do yourselves a favor and abandon these racist and paternalistic views. As for Planned Parenthood, they provide vital services to both women and men in all communities in the form of pre-natal care, gynecological exams, physicals, birth control, comprehensive sex ed and yes, abortion services. i donate proudly to them, and commend them for the aid they render.

If you don’t want/need an abortion, then don’t get one. I won’t make you. But please stop forcing your narrow-minded, fundamentalist views on the rest of us.

And black women are NOT sluts and idiots. We are not cattle to be traded, debated and led to slaughter. We are human beings, and demand respect as such.

alani

February 10th, 2010
6:52 pm

Please go on the internet and look up the Eugenics movement, and how they sterilized blacks and Indians in Virginia. Native Americans are almost extinct, and the Eugenics movement was behind it. I believe that too many abortion clinics are located in African American neighborhoods. We should be counseling young girls on preventing pregnancy, and young men as well. I do not believe that an eleven year old girl should have a baby. There are all kinds of health risks for the mother and that child. We need to go after the men who are impregnating these young girls, whether they are black, white or in between. What concerns me is the number of African American women, who are not able to conceive. What is that about? Why is planned parenthood concentrated in Urban Areas?

the twirler

February 10th, 2010
6:56 pm

better to save African American fetuses than adult women, huh Georgia Right to Life?

what you doing for post-born folks? nuthin’ huh, except trying to criminalize them? big suprise

mike

February 10th, 2010
7:36 pm

I think that yes abortion is wrong, it is killing the children of our world and future, just think about if your mother had got an abortion, would you be the person you are today? Certainly not, however even though the numbers may show it, I think it is wrong to just target one specific group, because it will be considered racial, why not just put faces of a variety of babies, not just one specific ethnicity.

mike

February 10th, 2010
7:44 pm

Also I believe that it is the parents to blame more than anything. When you know better than you do better, if you are not taught on what you should and shouldn’t do then, this is what happens. However I believe there is a negative portrait of blacks as a race anyways. The media only show one side of our community, sex, drugs, violence, murder. It is in our music as well as our films, evening the roles of some actors. Some people are afraid to even stand by me sometimes, afraid that I am going to steal something, I mean what is that? I believe that this type of racial profiling will never end.

Nifar

February 10th, 2010
8:28 pm

I am rather saddened at some of the comments here, and the lack of knowledge they display.

First, lest start with “abortion is murder”: Not really. By the point the baby has progressed to the point that it could be considered murder, it’s highly unsafe for the mother to get an abortion. Before the fetus has developed a functioning brain, keyword there is “functioning”, can it be considered any more human than any other animal that we conceder inferior to us and have no problem killing?

Next up, “most abortion clinics are in minority/impoverished neighborhoods.”: Well yes. It just makes good business sense.Here’s and economics question for you: If you’re the owner of a franchise of restaurants that’s opening a new location, where would you put it? The proper answer is “In a population center, preferably an area where the kind of people who normally eat at my restaurants live nearby.” Abortion clinics open where they do because they know they’ll get more business there, not because they want to encourage more business from the people in the area.

Finally “eugenics is inherently bad, and anybody who supports it is like Hitler”: Well, yes and no. Forced eugenics is most certainly bad, not to mention illegal. However, eugenics in and of itself isn’t a bad thing per se. If someone picks out a husband/wife because they know that their children will have certain desirable qualities, then that’s just smart breeding, and most certainly not a bad thing. If two people are forced to have children because of those qualities, then that’s bad.

Also, as a resident of Atlanta, I’m wondering where everyone else is hiding if African-Americans are only 30% of the population.

[...] Those billboards around town declaring black children to be an endangered species? That’s what this is about. [...]

Rev. Brian Walker

February 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

Protecting black children from abortion and providing for those whose lives are spared are not mutually exclusive. It is a common charge against the pro-life movement that we only care for the baby and put mom & dad under the bus.

Nothing is further that the truth. Crisis pregnancy centers are set up to meet the practical needs of mothers and fathers to be. We at Pro-Life Action Ministries as of last week by God’s grace have saved over 2,500 children of all races. We provide and refer mothers (to CPCs) supplying them with everything from diapers to cars (to get dad to work), we inform women that the father is legally responsible( in MN) for child support whether she marries him or not. Many of the churches we work with have waiting list to adopt, provide food, shelter, clothing and job training etc.

The Planned Parenthood’s of this world will send her home with few if any referrals for follow up help, practical and emotional (forget spiritual) support. So much for choice.

Many hands make light the work, but it makes no sense for all of us to row the same oar. Some of us will address schools/housing/equality, but must we wait for all of these issues to be resolved, as we loose a large portion of our race? The pro-abortion industry would love to have us at each others throats and they’ve done an excellent job until now because of organizations like these:

LEARN, Inc. (coalition of African American pro-life organizations) comprising churches/ organizations and individuals. Many of the member organizations have day care/ alternative schools/ job training/ community banks- and yet have aggressive pro-life agendas. Its’ members are of every political stripe but regard pro-life work as a legitimate spiritual/justice/ human rights/ economic/ health issue.

Maafa21 (maafa21.com) is a feature length documentary focusing on the history of Planned Parenthood and the Black community. It is a must see regardless of your views on abortion.

Abortion has given men an out from their responsibilities (I was one of them), increased domestic violence, trashed womens’ self-esteem and endangered their health (breast cancer)etc. My wife and I co-founded an post-abortion and miscarriage ministry called Everlasting Light Ministries because we’ve experienced the “wake of choice” that the abortion mills refuse tell you about.

This billboard campaign is really a community service. I sidewalk counsel almost 6 hours a week in front of these abortuaries and I see black women and men who have been indoctrinated by the pro-abortion/choice/contraceptive world view to fall in line with them and seek one solution to their predicament – the final solution. I wished I had seen such a sign 28 years ago when I needed it.

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February 11th, 2010
7:43 pm

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Liz

February 11th, 2010
8:02 pm

I thought you would like to know that the creative force behind all of this is ‘Ryan Bomberger’ who is the product of a rape–his white mother was raped by a black man–he was adopted and now is trying to tell black women what to do with their bodies. I am a black woman and what I do with my body is my business.(Perhaps he will start telling black men it is ok to rape black women next!) Especially when most black men do not raise the children they procreate. Since that burden rest solely on the shoulders of black women–to the tune of around 70%, what does a man have to say about it… In addition to this, many black men prefer other men,in addition to that many are incarcerated. Also many black men don’t even respect black women enough to date them or propose marriage–while they have the highest percentage of marriage outside of their race–go figure!

George

February 16th, 2010
5:07 pm

Adoption, not abortion. Adopt black kids from Haiti and unwanted black kids from America and take them into your white homes, particularly in Nathan Deal’s Georgia tenth district. Now that will really show the commitment of the National Right to Lifers!

wizardofx

February 18th, 2010
7:17 am

Please keep OUT of every woman’s womb irrespective of race, etc. It’s NONE of YOUR business what a woman does with her own body. PERIOD!

WrittenbyBene

February 23rd, 2010
1:10 am

This ad is wrong on so many levels. Anyone who even defends the comment, I question your level of integrity and intelligence. What are the sources for these alleged statistics that 56% of black women are aborting their children in GA? Statistics are a funny thing and oftentimes misrepresent the truth. Furthermore, I don’t believe any data or study that says black women are 3 times more likely to have an abortion than white women. That’s malarchy. The entire black race only makes up 13% of America’s population. Numerically it doesn’t add up. I have a long history of going to school with and working with white women. Of course I’m over generalizing, but in my experiences white women will have an abortion at the drop of a dime. While it is typical of black women will keep their child because of their firm belief in God. Nevertheless, an ad that so graphically targets a race of women is wrong. Period. Extinction? Really, that was the best the marketers could come up with. Its sad that EVERYTHING in this country is & will always be about race.

WrittenbyBene

February 23rd, 2010
3:03 am

I cannot read another comment from an asinine white person offering solutions. Until white people want to acknowledge their hand in the state of the black community, I don’t want to hear any comments from them about our poverty, our black fathers, our children being born out of wedlock. It iswhite privelage that allows you all to ignore what you all have created. The affects of slavery on black people in America are real. A century later we are still suffering from white slave masters ripping the father from the family. White supremacy is still alive and well. The criminal justice system is slavery reincarnated. Do idiots really believe blacks are impoverished at disproportinate rates b/c they’re lazy? Come on! The institution of racism is structured to keep black impoverished no matter how much they achieve or assimilate. So don’t tell me about our communities until you acknowledge the root of the problem-white supremacy & the affects of slavery.

PS to all the dummies out there that keep brining up welfare: WHITE WOMEN ARE THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE. I swear there’s nothing worse than a GED white racist. Read a book, educate yourselves.

brilliant one

February 25th, 2010
12:58 am

an abortion clinic cannot force you to have an abortion.
those women made their choices, and chose to have abortions. no one forced them.
that woman claiming that the clinics are ‘targeting’ is full of it. shes just upset and emotional because the issue must hit close to home for her (which is understandable because we all got our issues) however she should not be pointing the finger at anyone like that.
advertising things like that on billboards is just a little over the top lol.

Dave Phillips

February 26th, 2010
11:12 am

Question for you anti-choice bigots: how many of you have adopted a baby? A minority baby scheduled for abortion? Anyone?

Yeah that’s what I thought.

JudyLou

February 26th, 2010
11:57 am

Charles, you sound like such a dogmatist. Do you not realize that it is the WOMAN who takes all the risk and responsibility in a pregnancy? That pregnancy is a dangerous condition? Once you have donated your sperm, the rest is up to her. I can’t understand why men believe they own women’s bodies. They do not! If a man can run out on a pregnancy–and they can and do–then a woman has the same right.

If the women don’t bear the children for a society, then who does? We didn’t volunteer for the position; it came automatically with being born female.

JudyLou

February 26th, 2010
11:59 am

Plus, the need for abortion is men’s fault, since women don’t get pregnant by themselves. No sperm, no pregnancy. Forget birth control. Demand and enforce mandatory celibacy for all unmarried men.

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February 26th, 2010
12:02 pm

Rev. Walker, you are badly misinformed that abortion causes breast cancer. It does not. That’s just another right-wing scare tactic to hit women over the head with.

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April 28th, 2010
5:28 pm

@LoveWisdom; Please do some research…

In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. A summary of their findings, titled Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop, can be found at http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/ere-workshop-report.

NCI regularly reviews and analyzes the scientific literature on many topics, including various risk LoveWisdom factors for breast cancer. Considering the body of literature that has been published since 2003, when NCI held this extensive workshop on early reproductive events and cancer, the evidence overall still does not support early termination of pregnancy as a cause of breast cancer. To view regular updates on this topic, please go to http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/prevention/breast/HealthProfessional/page3#Section_280.

If you’re so concerned about breast cancer, then I would suggest you no longer use a bra. Yes, you heard me.. a study points to a possibility of bras contributing to breast cancer.
“Singer and Grismaijer found was that the odds of getting breast cancer dramatically increased with bra-wearing over 12 hours per day.

* Women who wore their bras 24 hours per day had a 3 out of 4 chance of developing breast cancer (in their study, n=2056 for the cancer group and n=2674 for the standard group).
* Women who wore bras more than 12 hour per day but not to bed had a 1 out of 7 risk.
* Women who wore their bras less than 12 hours per day had a 1 out of 152 risk.
* Women who wore bras rarely or never had a 1 out of 168 chance of getting breast cancer. The overall difference between 24 hour wearing and not at all was a 125-fold difference. ”

Abortion clinics don’t target or solicit from any ethnic groups. Clinic in general will try to open in areas that need or ask for them. So if a neighborhood has people that can’t afford health care, odds are good a free clinic will open close by… Planned parenthood go to places where they are needed… and they are all over. Unfortunately tho… with the crazies on both sides of the issues, more and more doctors are actually afraid to perform abortions. And because of this, the “anti-choicers” feel they are winning a war on abortion… when in reality they are actually reveling in terrorist activities. you heard me right folks.. using threats, killing doctors, blowing up buildings… well that’s to induce fear and terror… aka terrorist activities.

Seems to me, that anyone that tries to limit rights, use religion and fear to justify terror, and try to control women… well that sounds quite a bit like Taliban.

Seems like any religion, be it muslim or christianity, when taken to the far extreme… well seems to me it becomes a bit scary.

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9:11 am

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