Sonny Perdue, John Lewis tangle over transportation

Gov. Sonny Perdue and U.S. Rep. John Lewis, Georgia’s longest-serving member of Congress are having words over who’s at fault for the state’s transportation dilemma.

Last week, the Obama administration awarded Florida $1.25 billion for a high-speed rail project. North Carolina was handed $525 million.

And Georgia received $750,000.

On Friday evening, Lori Geary of WSB-TV rolled tape in which Lewis was asked why Georgia deserved such pocket change.

“It’s the fault of the leadership in this state,” Lewis said. “We’re so far behind.”

Told of the congressman’s comments, Perdue spokesman Bert Brantley replied with an e-mail that included this:

It’s so funny to me that Congressman Lewis and Congressman Scott are blaming Republicans, when it’s the Democrats that control the White House, the Congress and the agencies making these grants. Too bad they couldn’t use their influence to help our case.

The Governor has seen effective implementation of high speed rail first hand in both Europe and Asia. That’s one reason he’s been so enthusiastic about his support for high speed rail…

High-speed rail is obviously very expensive and we have extensive transportation needs and limited funding. The funding that we have now is essentially already tied up in currently planned projects and maintenance and operations. Governor Perdue has proposed additional transportation funding and high speed rail will be eligible to compete for those new funds as they are approved by the Legislature and the voters.

The jab was not appreciated by Lewis, who issued a rebuttal at 11 p.m. Friday:

“It is a shame and a disgrace that someone in Governor Sonny Perdue’s office would take a cheap partisan shot on an issue that means so much to the people of Georgia. Transportation should be at the top of every elected official’s agenda in Atlanta, and it has been a major focus for me throughout my entire tenure in Congress.

“I have brought back hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding to help solve Georgia’s transportation problems over the years, only to have millions left unused by the state…

“More recently, partly due to my influence and the power of the Democratic majority, the Georgia Department of Transportation was a top recipient of stimulus dollars. GDOT alone received nearly $572 million in stimulus funding, without any Republican support from our delegation and in spite of criticism by the governor. Yet the state only allocates $2 million in its upcoming budget to MARTA, a vital transportation resource which is $160 million in debt….

“I have said for years that Georgia needs a comprehensive, regional transportation plan to solve our problems. That is not the responsibility of any federal authority, but it rests squarely on the shoulders of the governor. While Georgia dawdles, other states like Florida and North Carolina are seizing opportunities to use transportation as a means to draw big business, opportunity, and jobs to their states. Georgia is not in the running because it does not have a plan.

“I have done my part and will continue to bring federal money home to the people of Atlanta. Now it is time for other responsible officials to do theirs.”

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ATL Scouser

February 1st, 2010
2:41 pm

by Civil Engineer in GA
February 1st, 2010
1:56 pm

“Saying that Perdue hasn’t done anything for GA transportation isn’t exactly correct. In 2004 he started the Governor’s Road Improvement Program (GRIP) which was supposed to do in 6 years what would have taken 18.”

It was actually implemented by Governor Harris in 1989.

http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/programs/roadimprovement/GRIP/Pages/default.aspx

Of course Purdue was going to see GRIP through given the fact that:

a)It was a roads initiative
b)Rural Georgia benefitted

Now I’m not arguing against the merits of the GRIP project, but I strongly feel that it was irresponsible to embark on that program at the peril of Atlanta’s deteriorating transportation system due to rapid population growth and insufficient tax dollars. Purdue merely chose to emulate Nero and play his banjo while Rome burned.

Big Pappa

February 1st, 2010
2:43 pm

I could be wrong, but I thought the flag issue was handled by Roy Barnes.

DannyX

February 1st, 2010
2:45 pm

“It’s so funny to me that Congressman Lewis and Congressman Scott are blaming Republicans, when it’s the Democrats that control the White House, the Congress and the agencies making these grants. Too bad they couldn’t use their influence to help our case.”

Obama’s current Secretary of Transportation is a Republican. Funny.

Bert's A Baffoon

February 1st, 2010
2:45 pm

Civil Engineer in Georgia:
You are off a bit on your facts. The GRIP program was started in 1992 by Joe Frank Harris and was intended to take 3,500 miles of 2-lane state roads and turn them into 4-lane divided highways. It was supposed to be a 10-year program but some 18 years later, only about 55% of the work is complete. Sonny’s plan in 2004 was Fast Forward, which sought to do 18 years worth of projects in only 6 years. It was an assortment of projects, some good, but mostly bad like millions for ramp meters, etc. Sonny’s accelerating 18 years of work into 6 WITHOUT any new funding, IS EXACTLY what has caused the financial mess at GDOT.
So you were correct in one aspect … Sonny hasn’t done anything GOOD for transportation. In fact, unless you are a bass fisherman or a close personal friend with land in Houston County, Sonny hasn’t done a damn thing for this state except to move us backwards about 20 years. Did anyone notice the action the Federal Court took against Georgia last Friday relative to the state mental hospitals? Another gigantic Sonny Perdue screw-up that is costing this state millions!
And Bert Brantley, what a bloated joke you are. You once worked at GDOT and you know for a fact that Sonny has tried to kill every rail projects in this state. Go have another donut big boy!

JG

February 1st, 2010
2:47 pm

Wow! I am writing this day on my calendar: I actually agree with John Lewis! The highlight of all the arguments is of course the comment of “When you look up the word “moran” in the dictionary…”. Good thing Puerto Rico does not count or we might be 51st in education! As for the transportation issue, let’s make sure we focus on the fact the problems are in metro Atlanta and not throughout the state. The Governor does have some input but the Mayor’s of the local towns should be held accountable as well. The government might be working on some creative solutions but the only items that seem to get published are the rail option. We have proven with Marta that we have a gap here in running rail mass transit effectively and should not automatically assume funding more of the same would help cure the ills of the roadways here.

I’ll see you all on 285 or 85 doing a speedy 7 mph! Don’t be Morans on the Road! :)

senator

February 1st, 2010
2:47 pm

democrats are liars!!

Tricky

February 1st, 2010
2:50 pm

Yeah I would be hard pressed to find one substantial policy that Perdue has enacted to help with transportation. It has just been more and more government intrusion. But lets just take a look at some highlights:
He got a great deal on land that he bought for himself in Houston County
We are still near the bottom in education, we only moved up once during his tenure
Georgia has the highest failures of banks in the country,
Superspeeders revenue plan
and,
folks lets not forget not letting the people vote on Sunday sales, aren’t you just a wee bit tired of the government telling you that you are not capable of making your own decisions?

But at least the rain prayer worked.

The Party of No Idea's

February 1st, 2010
2:51 pm

Once again the party of NO (no idea’s)strikes agin. Sonny Perdue and the republican party governs through hate and racial prejudices. They are the reason the economy is in poor shape and record number of job loses. Eron, World Com,Heath South,Iraq War,hurrican katrina(broken leeves) all happened on bush’s watch. The Republican party has no answers or ideas they just say no. The republican party turns down stimilus money from washington at the expense of being ignorant and racist. Life happens in cycles come November things will change. Remember Elmer Fudge ran his campaign on a devisive issue (Confederate Flag)
What a dumb base he has…..

Jefferson

February 1st, 2010
2:51 pm

The party of NO strikes again. This is what you get when you elected the “R’s” to say No to everything. Well No soup for you.

ras404

February 1st, 2010
2:52 pm

funny how you think Perdue has been AWOL. It’s just he that he listens to Georgia voters – not Atlanta voters only – and Georgia does not want to foot the bill for MARTA!!!!!

It is an embarrasment. They can’t even keep the elevators working, let alone run the trains and buses on time. All they want is a “Bottomless Checkbook”.

ras404

February 1st, 2010
2:53 pm

Funny how you think Perdue has been AWOL. It’s just he that he listens to Georgia voters – not Atlanta voters only – and Georgia does not want to foot the bill for MARTA!!!!!
It is an embarrassment. They can’t even keep the elevators working, let alone run the trains and buses on time. All they want is a “Bottomless Checkbook”.

Nathan Deal

February 1st, 2010
2:54 pm

Dam Sonny, I could have got some of that money too.

d.

February 1st, 2010
2:56 pm

Does this mean I don’t get a train for Christmas–Perdue you grinch. He could have borrowed the money again from the AGRiBank in Perry-to help match the funds. What was it 20,000,000? Did he ever pay that off–oh better yet I think his land deal in Florida could benefit him-maybe he gets achoo train on his land down there. I am just going to go fishing….there is more money in fish then jobs with rail.

Just Wondering

February 1st, 2010
2:58 pm

How is high speed going to help Atlanta? Other than downtown & midtown there are no sidewalks. So you are going to get off the train and walk in the street?

Sorry, the only hope for this area is to lose population.
Otherwise the quality of life will continue to just go down hill.

Where the state has dropped the ball over the years is not developing other metro areas in the state. It’s Atlanta and nothing else. Georgia is a joke when compared to the metro areas in a state like Tennessee.
And don’t even talk about NC or Florida>

Barbara Cade

February 1st, 2010
2:59 pm

At this point I am ashamed to say I am from Georgia. With “leaders” like the governor we have not had a chance of being a part of a forward thinking state. Our education system is a mess and it shows because only educated people have the vision to plan wisely for our state and execute those plans. I blame Reopublicans and Democrates as well for failing the people of Georgia. We should have been building rapid rail all over the state 10 to 15 years ago! The “bubbas” rule our state.

Silent Majority

February 1st, 2010
3:02 pm

John Lewis = poster child for term limits.

Sonny Purdue = worst governor in my lifetime, and I remember George Busbee.

d.

February 1st, 2010
3:05 pm

there metro areas in Tenn? Go figure

DannyX

February 1st, 2010
3:06 pm

Labor strife, horrible mismanagement, staggering debt, employees caught in drug stings, bad service rankings, and a crew that just risked the lives of all its passengers.

MARTA? No. Delta Airlines.

Delta Airlines is showered with tax gifts from the State. Praised for the work they do. The jobs they provide. Their service to mankind.

Delta could easily be mocked as much as MARTA. MARTA however is a big political football. Both sides play the game. When the games stop the whole region becomes better.

But that would require leadership.

BPJ

February 1st, 2010
3:18 pm

Just Wondering, upon leaving the train station Downtown, you would have the same three options you have upon leaving the airport: taxi, MARTA, or rent a car. Yes, major train stations have all three.

d

February 1st, 2010
3:27 pm

Sitting on the dock of the bay (go fishing of course) watching the train roll away then I watch it roll away again.

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Mike

February 1st, 2010
3:39 pm

We need to be more like Europe, Republicans are morans.

E-Roll

February 1st, 2010
3:51 pm

allen981, right now you can get a round trip ticket from London to Paris for 69 pounds, let me know where you can get a lower airline ticket.

allen981

February 1st, 2010
3:55 pm

100 MPH trains to replace planes…that’s what the guy said. For how many people????

That’s the key – no one will ride the damn train! With stops, I can drive to Charlotte faster than a train, even at 100 MPH. Point to point, there aren’t 500 people a day going from Atlanta to Charlotte.

Atlanta has so much air capacity now, it doesn’t need more. And, with 60 percent of the air traffic in Atlanta simply changing planes, maybe we don’t need to be a hub anymore.

Atlanta had a rail network to anywhere and everywhere as recently as 50 years ago. It died a slow, painful, costly death. Why? It could not compete with planes, primarily.

Here’s a solution for all you 100 MPH train zealots: let’s build a system of dedicated bus lanes to anywhere and everywhere for say, $2 billion, instead of trains that cost $50 billion or more. Let ‘em run at 90 MPH or so, unimpeded. Same speed, same benefits, right? You won’t get 50 people a day on a bus, so why build the $50 billion train?

WHY???????

LF

February 1st, 2010
3:56 pm

Guess what? There is over $80,000,000, from the feds (Bush), for a commuter rail line between Atlanta and Lovejoy that the DOT has NOT BEEN USED!!!!! THE MONEY IS STILL THERE!!!
Sorry Sonny, please resign.

TarHeelBred bleeds TarHeelBlue

February 1st, 2010
4:04 pm

Mike: I don’t think that Georgia needs to be more like Europe, but Georgia does need to invest alot more in all modes of transportation (rail, roads, etc) than it does now and it needs to come up with more creative ways to do it than just another new tax. We need to come up with a uniquely American solution to a uniquely American problem, but any potential solutions and problem-solving of course needs strong leadership which is, unfortunately, something that we are sorely lacking right now.

Hoping4Rail

February 1st, 2010
4:21 pm

“allen981″, its has been clearly proven over and over again that mile-for-mile passenger rail transport is much more cost effective with much greater success than highway building. What is REALLY expensive, and you can ask the Europeans this, is not having high speed rail service when your neighbor 250 miles away does. …And Georgians are about to find this out first hand! The effects will begin to be felt long before the work is done.

tc

February 1st, 2010
4:22 pm

with credits to snl killer bees “we don’t need not stinkin rails…………to go fish”

TarHeelBred bleeds TarHeelBlue

February 1st, 2010
4:37 pm

Allen981: If Atlanta chooses to relinquish its status as a hub because of lack of vision and a willingness to execute that vision then cities like Charlotte and Nashville will gladly take the place of Atlanta as the Capital of the Southeast. Charlotte and Nashville have been openly envious of Atlanta’s elevated status as a potential world capital for quite sometime and with the current state of the airline industry who says that air travel will remain the dominant mode of travel, especially over moderate distances. The only reason that Atlanta now enjoys a seemingly elevated status as an international city and the Capital of the Southeast is because the area leaders of the past had the vision and the foresight to invest in a mode of transportation in air travel that was not yet popular but was just beginning to come on starting back in the 1920’s when Mayor Hartsfield convinced the City Council to lease an abandoned race track in Hapeville, an abandoned racetrack that is now the world’s busiest airport, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.
The big deal with the grants awarded to North Carolina and Florida are that these are our direct economic competitors who have the vision and foresight to realize that American society is not going to necessarily continue to be a car-dependent society centered on auto-dependent development with only air travel alone for long-distance trips. Just like Birmingham and Alabama did not realize that the Southeast would not continue to be an isolated segregated provincial society and lost out on the opportunity of a lifetime of the international air-hub to more visionary business and political leadership in Atlanta who looked far enough ahead to see that, Georgia must be able to see far enough ahead to see that rail travel and rail-oriented development are going to be alot more dominant in the future and they must be willing to invest in the modes are increasingly attractive to high-paying employers looking to locate in areas that are highly accessible to all modes of transportation (road, rail, bus, bike, etc). Also keep-in-mind that investment in high-speed rail doesn’t just mean investment passenger rail alone, but also investment in high-speed freight rail such as to connect Atlanta with the Port of Savannah, which is now one of the busiest deep sea ports on the planet.

mike

February 1st, 2010
6:47 pm

Well Sonny did go for a ride in the GSP helicopter. The misuse of funds in the DOT did allow for some hanky paky between vendors, DOT leadership and some eventually got married after all the fooling around. He did set a precedent that when there are hurricanes, the state will cancel classes in schools so the middle Ga farmers have enough fuel to get there wares to market. Our students will be well fed but just dumb. He did nothing at all about the water in Lake Lanier. Oh he did push that Go Fish pork barrel through and then bought property next door. But I guess we can blame this all on the democrats.

Chris

February 1st, 2010
8:04 pm

Ras404 nailed it! The rest of Georgia doesn’t want to pay for the inept management of MARTA. Why should my taxes go up so MARTA can be bailed out. Why should ANY taxes be increased when politicians from both parties have demonstrated that they are far less than good stewards of OUR money?

TarHeelBred bleeds TarHeelBlue

February 1st, 2010
8:46 pm

Chris: The inept management of MARTA is a reflection of the inept management that is pervasive at the state (state of Georgia), county (Fulton and Dekalb) and city (city of Atlanta) levels of government. The problems at MARTA are an obvious extension and result of the dysfunction of the different separate levels of government that are supposed to have a hand in the management of that agency. For an agency like MARTA to get its act together, there needs to be strong leadership from each of the levels above it that should ideally have a hand in its competent management and that kind of leadership just doesn’t exist right now. Each of the levels of government that I have just named off, in addition to the federal level, are wildly dysfunctional and incompetent at this point.

vuduchld

February 1st, 2010
9:04 pm

I lived in Atlanta 22 years up until 6 months ago and frankly, I felt the money they got was too much. Really, Georgia should not have gotten one penny of this money because they have shown zero interest in soving their trafic issues. Why keep throwing good money after bad in a state with inept, incompetent politicians. The state cast it’s lot with the devil long ago by filling the roads with asphalt. I get sick and tired of people saying that Atlanta and Georgia should get money because of their pedigree. This state should get NOTHING until tthese bums politicians are thrown out of office and replaced with people with REAL common sense.

It’s time to grow up, the party is long over. Georgia, get your act together. Then and only then should you be considered for these programs.

shirley

February 1st, 2010
9:09 pm

Transportation Secretary LaHood made it quite clear to everyone within earshot and who was listening, “Georgia needs to get its act together”. LaHood was the guest of the Metro Chamber and Atlanta Regional Commission a few months ago and he answered a question about Georgia’s competitive position for ARRA high speed rail funding. His comments weren’t sugar coated or unclear. The good news is our neighbors North Carolina and Florida will get connected. How far behind can we be? Hopefully, not far.

Dave

February 1st, 2010
9:41 pm

Oh yes, let’s build a network of dedicated buses, that break down, get stuck in traffic, and pollute the air. Not to mention that they can’t carry anywhere near the number of people that trains can. People don’t ride trains? Then tell me why Amtrak sets ridership records just about every year, and why commuter and light rail has been a success everywhere it’s been tried? Now, while I don’t want the US to continue its slide into European Marxist Socialism, I do think it’s high time to stop paying lip service to passenger rail. These same anti-rail people are going to be screaming bloody murder in a few years, when it takes them two hours to go ten miles on a 40-lane “expressway.”

Across the Border

February 1st, 2010
10:25 pm

They don’t know that they don’t know! What a shame GDOT is stuck 20 years behind neighboring states in planning and implementing. Even Alabama gets things right once in a while. To the south, however, good planning, impact fee “collections” and just plain good common sense has proven time and time again that if you prepare well, you will fare well. Georgia needs some commuter rail lines instead of trails to help folks become less dependent on gas guzzling SUVs. If they could pay $5 for a safer ride and enjoy this great newspaper at the same time, some might even give up driving all together and start biking on weekends!! Wouldn’t that be a great deal for the air in hot lanta?

Jokes All Around

February 1st, 2010
11:02 pm

I agree with neither. Sonny spends his “last 15 minutes” in office and suddenly he’s a supporter – joke! but lets not let the Congressman off so easy, big whup..you’ve spent years giving away millions and millions of tax dollars. Here’s and idea congressman, show some leadership and make our money count for something. I would be bulletproof too if I could just write bad checks to everyone who comes asking.

Once a Republican

February 2nd, 2010
4:44 am

Purdue is a pig. At last count he was awarded three pieces of property throughout the Southeast aldong with a multimillion dollar loan that no one can explain. Every Republican in GA is concerned with one thing . . . how much money or land can they steal from the people of GA. Slowly but surley the truth is coming out.

Don

February 2nd, 2010
9:30 am

How about some facts? The money for HSR just awarded REQUIRED that the submitted proposals have a few things. One, that all the NEPA/EIS work was complete. Two, that the state had shown a commitment to passenger rail project that spanned state administrations. GA failed miserably at both of these, so we lose.

To whoever said that there weren’t 500 people a day who would ride Atlanta to Charlotte. He was right. The number is more like 2000-3000 riders a day. He could look it up, if he cared to. (www.sehsr.org.)

Intown Lib

February 2nd, 2010
9:49 am

Stick it to ‘em John! Our leadership has FAILED us for decades but, most miserably under Republican leadership for the last 8 years.

Don

February 2nd, 2010
9:51 am

It’s not FAILED leadership. It’s NO leadership. There’s a difference….

d.

February 2nd, 2010
10:11 am

Even if we did get a train, they wouldn’t let us drink on Sundays on it. We don’t have a transportation problem-just lower the speed limit to 5mph. If some one goes twenty then super fine them. We need the trauma money. Then when there is an accident, the person can leave the hospital room and send them a tax for using the bed. Gotta luv Georgia, lived here all my life, it used to be boring, now its a comedy show at the Dome. I set back and let the fireworks begin.

d.

February 2nd, 2010
10:18 am

No train, just think of the pennies people will save by not putting them on the tracks and watching the train flatten them. See having no rail can save really us pennies.

Reid in EAV

February 2nd, 2010
12:33 pm

Mark me down as another conservative who’s not a fan of Sonny for precisely this reason. (Granted, as an intown conservative I love such non-fashionable things as transit and density, but…)

By any measure, partisan or nonpartisan, do-nothing Sonny has been a disaster. How many billions of federal dollars have we squandered or missed on his watch? Someone needs to add it up.

I will be voting for whichever gubernatorial candidate seems to Get It on these issues. It’s not Oxendine, who’d love to build a new freeway in my backyard. In fact, at this point, I’m likely voting for Barnes.

BigAppleGeorgiaPeach

February 2nd, 2010
2:41 pm

For many years I ‘rode the rails’ (e.g., suburban commuter trains, subways, taxis, and buses into and out of the Port Authority between New Jersey and New York City, etc.). The only way a major metropolis ‘works’ is to have consistent, high-quality public transportation. If Atlanta doesn’t ‘get it together’, we’ll experience the worst kind of grid-lock one day and be sorry we ever even thought we could compete with other major metro areas!

ProgressivePeach.com

February 2nd, 2010
3:25 pm

Sonny POWNED!

John Lewis, the other half of the story

February 2nd, 2010
3:58 pm

The Rest of The Story,
All federal dollars come with guidelines, stipulations, demands, rules, regulations etc etc
Sometimes these make NO SENSE for the state or our needs. So John tell the whole story
because your ignorant demorat supporters deserve all the facts not just your idiotic
chest thumping.

JR

February 2nd, 2010
5:43 pm

I love that it all amounts to whining and complaining from both sides. And everyone commenting on this article.

NC and FL (and many other states) already have taken the initiative in planning and trying to get updated transportation. Here in GA, things are a little slower to evolve. NC has a stellar transport system in place/in development. The problem here (this goes for pretty much everything in GA/ATL) is that since we have the busiest airport, a huge city, tons of based companies, etc., we just say ‘well that’s great…look at what we have,’ without actually trying to improve on it.

Instead of trying to assign blame, why doesn’t everyone shut up and find a solution. That’s why we didn’t get the money. Because their spending too much time talking.

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Daedalus

February 3rd, 2010
10:59 am

Its funny that Perdue blames Obama and John Lewis for Georgia’s dismal showing in competing for federal rail funds. GOP partisans claim its all about politics — but how does that explain Florida — with a GOP governor and legislature getting $1.25 billion out of the $8 billion in available grants?

Its not about politics, its about who is ready to build. Gov Bush in Florida was a leader in building a passenger rail system in Florida. Governor Christ followed up on Bush’s plans. Environmental studies are finished; right-of-way has been acquired; a plan for funding the ongoing operation is in place. Ditto for NC.

But Georgia? Nothing. GDOT has some nifty maps, but nothing else. GDOT’s passenger rail office was just dinged by the feds for mis-spending what little grant money GDOT gets from the feds for rail. And why should USDOT give Perdue and GDOT more $$ for rail when it hasn’t even touched the $80 million appropriated to build the multi-modal station and start the line to Macon?

That would be throwing good money after bad. I agree that assigning blame isn’t productive — but unless we acknowledge our mistakes, or at least a lack of a plan, we aren’t going to move on rail transportation.

Last year Portland, Oregon won several hundred million in grants to open up over 50 new streetcar stations. All of the streetcars will be built in metro Portland. Why? Because the state saw that there were no domestic manufacturers of streetcars in the US and also saw that there would be a growing demand for them. The state of Oregon helped a private company develop the capacity to build streetcars — this translated into high-paying jobs and tax revenue for the state.

That would never happen under Sonny Perdue or the current crop of GOP candidates for governor.

Let’s face it, y’all need to learn to enjoy your car because traffic relief isn’t on its way.