Bill Clinton to host fund-raiser for Thurbert Baker

Remember that stampede to Barack Obama last year? Thurbert Baker didn’t join it. This from Associated Press:

Attorney General Thurbert Baker is getting some high-profile help in his bid to become Georgia’s first black governor.

Former President Bill Clinton will headline a fund-raiser for Baker Dec. 7 in New York.

Baker praised Clinton for building a strong economy, saying he would do the same in Georgia if elected to replace Republican Sonny Perdue.

In 2007, Baker endorsed then-Sen. Hillary Clinton’s bid for president, becoming one of her most prominent backers in Georgia. Barack Obama went on to win Georgia’s Democratic primary and the White House.

Since leaving office, Bill Clinton has remained one of the Democratic Party’s most sought-after fundraisers.

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Roy Barnes for Gov

November 19th, 2009
3:01 pm

I am supporting Roy Barnes for Gov.

PoliticOracle

November 19th, 2009
3:06 pm

Baker may give Barnes a run for his money. Also, I wish Mr. Attorney General well in his surgery.

Evander

November 19th, 2009
3:13 pm

Two words why Baker won’t win: Genarlow Wilson.

@Evander

November 19th, 2009
3:25 pm

You might be right. I don’t think his decision went over too well with African American voters, even though he was carrying out his duties Attorney General. It was a touchy situation and I think he should’ve explained his position better.

Norwood paying Bloggers

November 19th, 2009
3:32 pm

Politic Oracle what I found out by one of the bloggers that Jackalope is Mary Norwood campaign manager Ramon Levit.. This is sad that Norwood got paid staff on here to attack Reed and his supporter.

Raquel Morris

November 19th, 2009
3:38 pm

I thought King Roy had this on lock? Did President Clinton ask Roy his permission first? The nerve.

Thurbert is our best Gubernatorial candidate. He simply needs to apologize for his Genarlow Wilson decision. People will forgive him. Let’s stop using the same retread politicians over and over again.

Norwood paying Bloggers

November 19th, 2009
3:40 pm

I am so bad in life I resort to keep messing up blogs with this crap.

PoliticOracle

November 19th, 2009
3:49 pm

Baker is caught in a political quagmire, because Barnes will more likely recieve the bulk of the metro area black vote – which is critical to get in the primary. I have also heard that Barnes has been stumping down-state for quite a while and his populist message is being well recieved.

The question is; how does Baker gain the trust of the black community?

Fund-raiser

November 19th, 2009
4:00 pm

It’s all about favors. Baker backed Hillary’s run for President…Bill is being loyal by returning favors…Nothing wrong with that…

PoliticOracle

November 19th, 2009
4:01 pm

I found out that PoliticOracle is really several people – all who are being paid by Reed. It’s just sad what some people will do for money.

mission man

November 19th, 2009
4:02 pm

Roy was a big Edwards backer, so I’m sure the date for Roy’s “John Edwards Fundraiser” will be announced any day now.

Raquel Morris

November 19th, 2009
4:17 pm

As a Baker supporter, I could only hope that Roy would be dumb enough to have a fundraiser hosted by a creep like John Edwards. Gross.

Loyal Crat

November 19th, 2009
4:23 pm

I’m black, but I’m voting for Ray Barnes. He’s definately the best choice. We had a robust economy when he was Gov. Therbert Baker should vote for him too.

Chad

November 19th, 2009
4:27 pm

DuBose Porter is a true southern Democrat…EDUCATION should be on the top o the list…Public Schools need help bad

Morehouse Guy

November 19th, 2009
4:30 pm

I kinda wish that Thurbert would have run against Saxby and not taken the Democratic party’s best talent going head-to-head in the gubernatorial Democratic primary. But, I think he can make a race out of it. I’m curious as to how he’ll respond to the “Evanders” of the world who: a) don’t understand why Attorney General Baker had to make the choice he made; and, b) how his choice to take Generalow’s case up to the State Supreme Court actually helped get him out. Might be too many dots for folks to connect, but I’m hoping Democratic voters realize that he’ll probably make as good if not a better general election candidate than Roy. I hope Democrats in Georgia understand that.

I’m hoping Thurbert and Roy make it a good, clean primary, but I’m leaning Roy. Any word on how people are receiving Roy and/or Thurbert outside of Metro Atlanta?

Jessica

November 19th, 2009
4:33 pm

I would never support Baker unless he apologize for the way he handled the Genarlow Wilson case. His defense is that he was “doing his job”. Fine. On election day, I will “do my job” and vote against him. I could understand if Genarlow was a thug but he wasn’t. So, guess what Baker, that case just might cost you a lot of support in the black community. We expected better from you and you didn’t deliver. Why should I trust you as Governor?

mission man

November 19th, 2009
4:35 pm

Wasn’t the state budget deep in the red when Perdue took over?

bulldog

November 19th, 2009
4:36 pm

The Democrats pray the Republicans nominate Oxendine. Otherwise they stand no chance of winning the Governor’s race in Georgia.

PoliticOracle

November 19th, 2009
4:47 pm

You’re a liar, I’m one person. Norwood, supporters are getting desperate. That’s why she’s getting trounced, she has a bunch of amatuers working for her. Reed will turn the vote out and Norwood will fade into obscurity.

mikey

November 19th, 2009
4:47 pm

Time for some facts…Roy Barnes supported his old friend John Edwards in his Presidential bid…when Edwards left the race, Barnes endorsed and campiagned for Obama. Thurbert Baker backed Hillary Clinton. So who would be better to work with President Obama…Roy or Thurbert? Roy Barnes knows how to get some Federal help for Georgia during these tough economic times. Perdue can’t even get a phone call returned. I’m for Roy Barnes. We need help NOW.

Evander

November 19th, 2009
4:55 pm

@ Morehouse Guy– Baker filed an appeal to a judge’s ruling that would’ve released him from prison. So how did Baker ‘help’ gain the release of Wilson if a final order releasing him was already issued by a judge? The General Assembly had already corrected the law, but didn’t make it retroactive. Ever heard of cruel and unusual punishment? Baker appealed the judge’s ruling to the Supreme Court to bolster his bonafides with rural Georgia at the expense of an innocent black man. The law was already changed, so there was no need for him to appeal the ruling as a precedent would never have been set.

It’s not too many dots to connect, maybe your bourgeois education has made you forget where you come from. Remember School Daze when they met up with Samuel L. Jackson (your Morehouse brotha) at the KFC? Maybe you should get the movie from Netflix and watch it, ‘brotha’. No way in H-E-Double Hockey Sticks Baker is winning this primary.

Morehouse Guy

November 19th, 2009
4:58 pm

@ Jessica: Thug or not, Genarlow broke the law as they were on the books when he had sex with that girl. Was that law sensible or just? No, but it was the law on the books.

So, I’m guessing because he’s black and Genarlow is black, Baker in his official capacity in defending the State of Georgia (and the laws of the State of Georgia) is supposed to do what exactly? What did the “black community” expect him to do? Sweep it under the rug? Under your logic, every good black kid should get a slap on the wrist when the prosecuting attorney is black because that’s what the “black community” expects? Interesting.

That law was god awful, and the Legislature changed it, but didn’t make it retroactive to Genarlow. Thurbert doesn’t make the laws, honey. He can only enforce them.

So what if he apologized? What that be okay? Is that what the “black community” wants (seeing as we all agree with each other according to Jessica and Evander)? I see a lot of folks (who I presume are black) making assumptions about why Thurbert may win or lose (based on black turnout in either the primary or the general), and I’d bet these are the same folks who get upset when other folks depict blacks as a voting monolith. And yet, the Jessicas and Evanders of this state are going to hold this man’s feet to the fire for doing his job. Great idea.

I’m hoping that Thurbert can make clear to the voting public what happened in that case, and I’m hoping that black Roy Barnes supporters aren’t simply supporting Roy because of Genarlow Wilson. Sad that somone’s otherwise impressive career is boiled down to one case where he was doing what he sworn to do. Now, I’m probably supporting Barnes for a host of other reasons, but I’d never vote against Thurbert because of Genarlow Wilson.

Evander

November 19th, 2009
5:07 pm

@ Morehouse Guy– Whatever dude. The law was already changed to treat Genarlow’s crime (which he did commit) as a misdemeanor. A JUDGE ordered his release, not Al or Jesse. That is a fact, so no matter what myself or anyone else think a court of law requested he be released. Look through any of my posts, and you never heard me bring up anything regarding race, except as it relates to you.

Wilson could’ve been purple and there would’ve been the same amount of public outrage to Baker’s choice to stand in the way of judge’s decision. Did he do the same in the Marcus Dixon case in Rome? No. You know not what you speak Morehouse uh ‘Guy’. Where was his appeal when Dixon was released?

PoliticOracle

November 19th, 2009
5:08 pm

Well said Morehouse Guy, though I understand Jessica and Evander’s points.

On another note, I guess I have to change my handle again because the Norwood loons are bring their ignorance on to a totally seperate and non-mayor’s race blog.

Morehouse Guy

November 19th, 2009
5:18 pm

@ Evander: You answered your own question. The very appeal that Baker made brought forth the question you raised concerning cruel and unusual punishment that got stayed Genarlow’s sentence (and as the appealing attorney, he likely framed the legal question before the court; see the logic? The appeal got the statute that held Genarlow in prison rendered unconstitutional. Connecting the dots?).

Further, trial court judge overstepped her jurisdiction in in staying Wilson’s release. What’s that? A violation of the laws governing a judge’s ability to make such decisions. And who defends the state’s laws? The Attorney General. You see where this is going? Baker could have done nothing, but doing so what have been counter the job he was sworn to do. And as a public official who takes his oath of office seriously, he was duty-bound to file an appeal. So, we can trust him to take his oath seriously, Jessica. And you would hope that any Governor takes this seriously.

Again, it was the appeal that brought that specific legal question before the Court that got Genarlow out. Baker is an experienced attorney, and I’d be willing to wager he knew where the Court was going to fall on the question of cruel and unusual punishment, especially given the media attention, the commonality of “Romeo and Juliet” clauses in other laws in place at the time Genarlow committed the crime and state precedent under the cruel and unusual punishment clause under both the GA constitution. So, in making a appeal that he was likely going to lose (again, appellate lawyers often know the relative strengths of their case and the composition of the body they’re going before, so Baker likely knew what he was getting into when he made the appeal, but Genarlow being a free man had be done in accordance with the laws of this State). But I’m guessing because I’m bourgeois and all, the rule and law really matters to me.

He didn’t have to file an appeal to bolster his bona fides with rural Georgia as he was already well-liked (he’d won how many times statewide with solid South Georgia support? Exactly). He gained nothing by doing that (his “base” was already solidified — more conservative Georgians) and risked losing the black voters he knew he needed to win statewide. So, if anything, the political incentives were stacked against him making that appeal. It seems to me that his oath and the nature of his job forced him to act. Got any proof otherwise? No, you don’t. So how can you make these baseless claims about why he did what he did (beyond what he’s duty-bound to do)? If you’re gonna make these claims, substantiate them.

I haven’t forgotten where I’ve come from in the least. But, my legal training (this “bourgeois education” you speak of) has at least allowed me to understand what happened in that case and why Attorney General Baker made the decision he made. It’s sad that in our community we would rather attack someone’s educational standing than understand the facts of a really tragic case that, fortunately, turned out for the better. Anti-intellectualism at its worst, Evander. All I ask is that you understand what happened as opposed to spouting nonsense on this blog or attacking me personally.

Spelmangrad

November 19th, 2009
5:20 pm

And Genarlow Wilson ended up attending Morehouse College on a full scholarship!

http://www.morehouse.edu/news/archives/001249.html

Morehouse Guy

November 19th, 2009
5:24 pm

Final response: The law was changed but not made retroactive to Genarlow. And yes, a judge ordered his release but she lacked the authority to do so under Georgia law (what does Jesse or Al have to do with anything?). Hence, Baker’s action in appealing the order to the state Supreme Court which ruled on the question of the statute’s constitutionality played a critical role in him ultimately being freed. Even Baker himself voiced his concern about the statute, but he had to enforce the laws on the books (concerning the judge’s ability to give the order; NOT THE ORIGINAL SEX CRIME STATUTE). THAT was incited Baker’s response, but the other legal question concerned itself with the constitutionality of the statute. Actually trying to have a “teaching moment” here, Evander.

Tell me you see why this happened, now. I’m only doing all this responding because all the misinformation about this case and Thurbert Baker is really unfair.

MDJ

November 19th, 2009
5:50 pm

From Marietta Daily Journal, May 5, 2008:

“Out of a nation of 304 million, is this the best we have?” That was how Roy Barnes, former governor and lifelong Democrat, replied when asked about the presidential contest featuring Republican John McCain and Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

“I’m not excited about any of them,” Barnes added.

Bronco

November 19th, 2009
5:58 pm

Ummmm…No thanks. I think we would be better off without a Governor or a president for 4 years.

Wondering Democrat

November 19th, 2009
6:33 pm

Did any of our candidates support Obama from the beginning?

Hey Jim, why don’t you ask them.

nemo

November 19th, 2009
6:49 pm

Wondering Democrat I hope you get an answer that would sway my vote against the candidate if they did. In case you haven’t noticed the country is on a snowball headed for hell like Merl Haggard would say. I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember, but at one time the gov’t protected us. Now we are being raped daily by the crooked politicians in Washington. If you disagree with me then you’re either one of them or you’re not keeping up on whats happening in this country. When we have a president who won’t salute our flag, then I would say we’re screwed.

djga

November 19th, 2009
10:44 pm

Maybe the video below explains this. Big Roy is touting his man John Edwards in new Hampshire right before the primary. He says “it’s time for the Democratic Party to be a national party again.” He goes on about how the election’s more than about picking a President, but about whether the Democratic Party will be a national or a regional party. He says as a Southerner, he “needs” someone who doesn’t “polarize us.”

Sounds a bit like that guy he appointed to the Senate – who was that” Zell Miller?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rHV6rgqhvw

Nice try Morehouse Guy

November 19th, 2009
11:03 pm

Nice try Morehouse Guy, but anytime we are willing to keep someone in jail who doesn’t need to be there, we are playing political games with people’s lives.

I’m sure someone of Baker’s talent and ability could have found a way to address the judge allegedly overstepping her bounds without keeping Wilson in jail.

And since Baker, to the best of my knowledge, has never offered this as his rationale for appealing the judge’s decision, why should we just assume that was his sole motivation?

Hillary

November 20th, 2009
3:17 am

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Peachtree Battle

November 20th, 2009
7:33 am

I’m a white former Democrat that won’t be voting for any democratic candidates next year because of the party’s attacks on Mary Norwood in this non-partisan mayor’s race.

SOUTHERN ATL

November 20th, 2009
9:15 am

…..and Roy Barnes can WIN too!!!

Tony

November 20th, 2009
11:22 am

It’s not just the Wilson case that is disappointing with Baker. He was just not a fierce advocate for the people like attorneys general in other states. During his tenure he tended to side with corporations more often than with average Georgians. Prosecution is only one duty of the attorney general. Going after corporations that cheat and defraud people is another.

I’m with Roy all the way. Bill Clinton’s support won’t matter to me one bit, and I voted for him twice. Oh how times have changed.

Time's up

November 20th, 2009
11:46 am

King Roy has shot himself in the foot once again. He lost the support of white progressive independents by endorsing Reed over Norwood, and blacks will vote for brother Baker guaranteed.

Progressive whites in Atlanta will vote in the GOP primary to block that moron Oxyndine.

I’m gonna laugh my butt off when Barnes can’t even get through a Democratic primary.

Tony

November 20th, 2009
12:20 pm

I’m Black and I’m voting for Roy. Nobody I know is voting for or is enthusiastic about Baker. It’s not guaranteed and he doesn’t get a pass because he’s Black. Most Black people vote based on issues and for who we think is best capable of implementing them. I’ve voted for more White candidates that Black, so it’s not and should never be based on race.

Clay Sikes

November 20th, 2009
1:11 pm

My voting history and years of support would reflect that I am much more aligned with Republican ideology than Democrat, however, Roy Barnes is addressing the real issue, which is neither blue nor red – it is green; and without it what does it matter who runs the State. While I cannot speak for other regions, Roy is addressing key economic issues that pertain to the Coastal region I live in – military base strength and payrolls, the ports, tourism, and making the state and the rich Coastal region more ‘retirement friendly’ for the millions of boomers moving south. He recognizes that retirees are a great form of economic development, the under utilization of the Port of Brunswick and vast potential of the Golden Isles, Ft Stewart-Hunter and Kings Bay, and our rich fisheries. We need help on the Georgia Coast, and the only candidate currently offering solutions to the ‘crisis’ we face has been Roy Barnes. Clay Sikes, Hinesville, Georgia

Gerald Ball

November 20th, 2009
1:48 pm

Nice try Morehouse Guy:

“but anytime we are willing to keep someone in jail who doesn’t need to be there, we are playing political games with people’s lives.”

Wrong. Two facts.

1. There are tons of innocent people in jail. Everybody knows it, from lawyers, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys etc. The problem is that for the vast majority of these people, there is no practical way to get them out of jail because the system is imperfect. So, we “play politics” by favoring some “innocent people” over others, usually for political reasons. Genarlow Wilson, Marcus Dixon, and the Jena 6 are examples of cases chosen by activists specifically seeking to advance a political issue, mainly more lenient policing and sentencing. (Also, some folks were using Wilson and Dixon in particular to go after laws that are perceived as limiting teen sexuality, for basically the same reason that these folks oppose “abstinence education.”) It was easy to make the Wilson and Dixon cases into political and media footballs because it was depicted as cases of black boys put in jail for having sex, the Jena 6 case blew up because of the noose, and further all 3 cases involved star football players. But there are PLENTY of innocent people in jail that these same activists and media types won’t lift a finger to help because they can’t be used to advance a political agenda.

2. The idea that Wilson didn’t belong in jail is absurd. Wilson broke the law. There was a statute in place, and Wilson broke it. Are you going to say that because you don’t agree with the law, or because the law is unfair that a person who breaks it shouldn’t be punished? Do you have a chart or something that explains which laws we can break and which laws we can’t? Or which citizens have to keep all the laws and which have to keep some?

Look, this is a real problem in the black community … the inability to differentiate between activists/agitators challenging the system and people who hold elected or appointed office and actually have to RUN the system. It is the job of the NAACP or Concerned Black Clergy to decide whether a law is unfair and to challenge it. But if you are a government official, it is your job to follow the law. The judge who ordered Wilson be released overstepped her bounds. That was judicial activism, and she should be relieved of her place on the bench. I am sorry, but that is why so many of the cities run by blacks are so messed up. It isn’t that blacks can’t run a city. It is that the people who blacks elect are professional activists and agitators who lack the background or interest in running a city. Blacks take people who haven’t run anything in their lives but protest marches and elect them to city council, the school board, the mayor’s office etc. and when these types get into office all they know how to do or even care to do is make speeches. They have no idea how to put together a budget, manage a staff etc. That’s why the black community needs to elect more doctors, CPAs, high school principals, business owners, engineers etc. instead of rabble rousers.

Baker wasn’t elected attorney general to push Jesse Jackson’s agenda. He was elected to be the top law enforcement officer for the state, and he acted in that capacity in the Genarlow Wilson case. If blacks want activists instead of people who are willing and capable to do their jobs, then blacks deserve the leadership that they get in places like Detroit, on the Clayton County School Board, and during the Bill Campbell administration. Look, out of all of these NAACP types who get elected to office by the black community, name one that has introduced any real innovation, a new or better way to run a city, state or a school board. Answer: there hasn’t been. Either they don’t have any ideas, or they don’t have the work ethic or competency to implement them. Or they simply implement ideas originated by whites. That’s what the black community gets by electing all these Jesse Jackson wannabees while ignoring real leaders. If a guy from Black Enterprise’s top 100 business owners or executives were to run for office, he’d be labeled a sellout to the corporate interests, the NAACP and other black groups wouldn’t back him, and some professional activist would get elected instead.

The amazing thing: no other minority group does this. If Atlanta were an “Asian city” instead of a chocolate city, they would have elected someone with a Ph.D. in engineering who has been running his own successful business for 20 years to fix the sewer and transportation problems, not Maynard Jackson, Bill Campbell or Shirley Franklin.

Nice try Morehouse guy

November 20th, 2009
11:31 pm

The reason that Genarlow Wilson didn’t belong in jail is simple. The legislature that created the law so much as admitted that it was a bad law, and fixed it.

I simply don’t buy the argument that Baker was compelled to challenge the judge’s releasing of Wilson to prevent an allegedly fatal legal precedent from occurring. And if he did feel that strongly about it, and knew he was questioning it in a way that would ensure Wilson’s release, he sure as heck could have done a better job explaining it. At the very least, the law, of all things, should strive to be just, and at the very least Baker’s decision to appeal his release looked for all the world like piling on.

Though it’s not as bad, since this guy was completely innocent, it’s not unlike the recent case of the guy who was in jail for failure to pay child support, and was kept in jail even after it was conclusively proven via DNA that he wasn’t the father.

When cases disrespect common sense and justice, it causes people to lose faith in the law; and Baker’s actions undermined the people’s faith in the justice system, and that to me is far more damaging than the legal precedent he allegedly was trying to prevent.

Having said all that, it’s just one factor that people should consider. It’s not like his major opponent, King Rat has been a paragon of virtue his entire political careers.

Southern confederated Taliban GOP wing nuts have lost it and will do any and every thing to regain power

November 21st, 2009
9:24 pm

no good faith when it came to help this kid . he chose to be no to help to this kid and if the truth be told he did the same thing.. He has as much chance of winning as Mat Ryan has of winning the super bowl this year. He blew his chance . They system is a cash cow it is not for justice it is to make people money. yes bad people need to be locked up. But this prison system is out make money. This is how people like Baker get paid and the system is based on greed not just -us.

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December 1st, 2009
2:16 pm

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