Your morning jolt: Georgia Democrats prepare for health care backlash

It’s teeth-grinding time for Georgia’s Democratic members of Congress.

The best evidence for confrontations to come over health care reform during the August break is video that surfaced this weekend — from an Aug. 1 town hall meeting sponsored by the city of Douglasville. U.S. Rep. David Scott was the primary speaker.

The event was recorded by the city’s cable TV station. The video was then nabbed by WXIA-TV.

The main purpose of the event was to discus improvements to Ga. 92 in the area. But at the end, questions of all topics were allowed, including a pair of inquiries on health care.

To describe Scott’s reaction a “rant,” as the Atlanta TV station allowed some to some to do, may be pushing things. But Scott did show a flash of temper to those who challenged him on the topic of rebuilding the American health care system.

Watch for yourself:

In response to the health care questions, Scott said:

”There are people in this room, who are here, who don’t want anything changed with health care…..

“I’m listening to my constituents, okay? These are people who live in the 13th Congressional District, who vote in this district. That’s who I’ve got to respond to. Okay?

“That’s everybody with different opinions. So what you’ve got to understand — those of you who are here, who are taking and came and hijacked this event that we’re dealing with here. This is not a health care event. You made the choice to come down here….”

WXIA interviewed a doctor who posed one of the questions rebuffed by the metro Atlanta congressman. The local urologist says he wasn’t part of any conspiracy.

Efforts to contact Scott have been unsuccessful. His voice-mail message box at his D.C. office is full. But to be fair, the congressman was probably correct when he sensed that something orchestrated was building.

One local blogger wrote this in the run-up to the meeting:

”We need to overwhelm David Scott with questions about healthcare. He needs to hear that all of us, black, white, whatever, are concerned and will vote for pretty much any other person who runs against him if he supports [President Barack] Obama’s healthcare plan.?

Kellie Hunter, who runs the Douglasville cable TV office, said the complete Aug. 1 town hall meeting will be rebroadcast on Saturday, which will allow viewers an unedited account.

Health care rallies and forums abound this week and next:

— Sadie Fields of Georgia Christian Alliance sent out a notice over the weekend of a major rally at Centennial Park, also on Saturday. Twenty groups will participate, and organizers are billing it as the biggest rally in the country “to date.”

Former U.S. House majority leader Dick Armey and country music singer John Berry are among those scheduled to attend.

— U.S. Rep. Sanford Bishop of Albany has scheduled four town hall meetings on Aug. 19 and 20 in Columbus, Fort Valley, Bainbridge, and Albany. But the congressman is taking some heat at SWGA Politics, for scheduling the meetings during the weekday, and during working hours.

— U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey has planned a “town mall” meeting in Rome at 3 p.m. Thursday in the Rome Civic Center.

— Two Georgia congressmen have town meetings scheduled for today. Paul Broun (R-Athens), an opponent of overhaul measures, will host a 6 p.m. gathering in Evans, Ga.

But the one headed up by Hank Johnson (D-DeKalb County), an Obama ally, is likely to be much louder, and possibly rowdy. Start time at Georgia Perimeter College is 7 p.m.

Johnson’s office has already said that about 20 police campus police officers would attend, and more officers from other local agencies would be on standby.

Blog for Democracy, a partisan site, is suggesting these tips for the Johnson event tonight:

Make sure that everyone who attends is required to sign in. Set up enough tables, with staff and or volunteers to enforce this. If it were me, I’d have separate sign in’s for constituents, and “visitors” and make sure that the constituents are given first priority for seating and entry.

Have a few crowd control folks sprinkled about, it will not hurt at Hank Johnson’s event, if they just happen to look like the front line of the McNair and Miller Grove Football teams.

Do not allow any signs to be brought in, all in the interest of not impeding anyone’s ability to see of course.

Clearly state that the Town Hall will be conducted based on a posted/distributed agenda. Assign a time keeper.

Begin the meeting on time-or if possible sightly early- this will minimize chair squirming and lessen any build up of tension. Video-tape everything, especially the crowd.

Do not offer refreshments, and turn up the air slightly. Folks won’t want to stay if they are hungry and a bit too warm.

While you ponder the above, consider these items found while perusing this morning’s ajc.com:

  • Private school tuition loophole exploited, at taxpayer expense.
  • Atlanta officials say criminals are more violent, better organized.
  • One in six Georgia banks have major problems.
  • Volume of ’subdivision’ vacant lots overwhelms banks.
  • Blue Dogs rocket to prominence in House.
  • Georgia Marine killed in Afghanistan.
  • Lilburn looks to relax its liquor laws further.
  • Judge to consider Gwinnett’s city-county tax issue.
  • Atlanta hopes to lure industries getting federal aid.
  • Clayton superintendent cited for running stop sign.
  • Belly-up in Lake Clara Meer: fishy deaths of countless fish.
  • Some opinion:

  • Your Luckovich fix.
  • Kyle Wingfield finds desperate Democrats offensive.
  • Cynthia Tucker wonders by tea-party protesters hate Medicare.
  • Bob Barr thinks national ID card are still a bad idea.
  • From elsewhere in Georgia:

  • Augusta Chronicle: State boards lack Augusta representation.
  • And beyond:

  • NYT: Climate change seen as threat to U.S. security.
  • WSJ: Opposition emerges to U.S. House spending spree on jets for senior government officials.
  • WP: Preparing for swine flu’s return.
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    54 comments Add your comment

    Doug

    August 10th, 2009
    9:47 am

    The Doctor comes across as a very reasonable person that waited till the end of a 3-4 hr meeting when the floor was open to any questions..when he asked his question. On the other hand representative Scott overreacted completely.. very defensive and obviously not open to really listening to other than his view of the health care plan.

    2Old4This

    August 10th, 2009
    9:47 am

    I saw the video. It was a rant. I also live in the 13th district and know how I will vote next year.

    Susan N. Watson

    August 10th, 2009
    9:54 am

    What a shame that the Republicans are so intractable and disruptive! Our Medicare system (a government insurance) is good, but eventually it will be bankrupt if changes are not made. I cannot see how the people opposed to health care for all Americans can justify their positions, especially if they consider themselves “Christian.” Didn’t Jesus teach us that we must love and care for one another? Aren’t all Americans deserving of medical care? The people who oppose change are more concerned for the welfare of insurance and pharmaceutical companies than their neighbors’ well-being.. .an appalling position to take. I’m ashamed of their behavior.

    billy bob from cobb

    August 10th, 2009
    9:58 am

    Scott did as he was trained to do. All these demogods got instructions from nancy on how to handle these meetings. They have even gone so far as to say anybody with questions or concerns is unamerican. The union thugs are now showing up to keep the “peace”. Funny that nancy was the one to bring up the nazis. How long till the chosen one has his own secret police force to deal with the nonbelievers.

    billy bob from cobb

    August 10th, 2009
    10:01 am

    Susan you must be a demo drone. The drug companys are all for it and even pledged 150 million to obamas cause over the weekend. People like you think the government should provide and coddle you thru life

    Freedom_Lover

    August 10th, 2009
    10:02 am

    Healthcare isn’t in the constitution. If the framers of the constitution wanted socialized medicine, it would be in the constitution and it isn’t. I checked.

    Brian Hendrix

    August 10th, 2009
    10:03 am

    @Susan Watson: Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. The last thing one should do is invoke the teachings of Jesus in this argument. The Bible is open for interpretation and one could argue you aren’t being charitable if you are being forced to give. This goes well beyond assisting the less fortunate, it is a matter of making good personal life decisions you were born with the freedom to make.

    Tyler P

    August 10th, 2009
    10:04 am

    If the healthcare reform is so great, then why don’t the congress people subscribe to it? Not only do they not subscribe to, but they’ve written an amendment into the “reform” that makes them immune from having to participate in it. If it looks like crap and smells like crap, it might be crap.

    B-fan

    August 10th, 2009
    10:04 am

    I don’t blame Rep. Scott for being defensive. I’ve seen how disruptive the tea party screamers and insurance company plants are at those meetings.

    Mike

    August 10th, 2009
    10:07 am

    Ms. Watson, if Medicare is broken, why do you support a plan to expand it?

    If this is supposed to be such a wonderful improvement in efficiency and cost savings, why are people who already work and contribute being asked to “sacrifice” and give still more?

    b6542

    August 10th, 2009
    10:07 am

    The lady (David Scott) doth protest too much, methinks.

    Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 222–230

    This legislation is unsupportable and wilts when a little “sunshine” is put on it. That is why the PRESBO team wants to pass it quickly with no review by congress or the people. Face it – it is a government grab of our health care.

    I just hope the loyal opposition finds a spine and does not cave. 2010 is an election year. Listen to the people you represent or be tossed out on your (tin)ear.

    billy bob from cobb

    August 10th, 2009
    10:08 am

    Wonder if the be the bed wetters at the ajc are reporting us the the obama hotline

    2Old4This

    August 10th, 2009
    10:12 am

    Ms Watson apparently did not watch the video. And where was Ms Watson when Acorn and the other left wing thug groups were out in force??? Dissension from the left is ok but not from the right???

    Paul A

    August 10th, 2009
    10:18 am

    David Scott is full of crap ! I tried to call to his office to find out where he was speaking while on recess. They WOULD NOT give me any information.

    I live in his district. I want this moron GONE !

    He claims to be a blue dog …. BS ! he votes 99% with his democrap party.

    He is scheduled to speak on the 15th at a high school in Jonesboro. No way he has the guts to show.

    He’s a coward !

    Steve Real

    August 10th, 2009
    10:20 am

    Personally,
    If healthcare goes down in flames
    it’s good for the people of Connecticut, where I live.
    Why?
    The bulk of insurance companies are run out of my state.
    If you are anti-healthcare reform?
    You are pro Connecticut and that’s the way I like it.
    Now I ain’t rich
    and reform would probably be good for all of us,
    but I have to look out for my people’s too.

    BravesFansLoveTheLongBall

    August 10th, 2009
    10:32 am

    Susan Watson – To answer your question, let me ask you one. Where in the constitution does it give congress the right to tax one group to supply healthcare? It doesnt. In fact its illegal to take tax money from one group to use for anything other then security, borders and roads. They have over stepped their bounds time and time again.

    I work for my insurance, thats my reward for getting up every day and working hard, I get insurance. My neighbor who earns way over 200K says he doesnt want to pay health insurance. Thats his right and nobody should tell him how to spend his money. If your to lazy to get off your butt and go get a job then you dont deserve anything out of life. Dont force me to pay your way cause I am sick of all the lazy deadbeats who think the government owes them something. I am the government and my money owes nothing to nobody.

    redneck recluse

    August 10th, 2009
    10:40 am

    Instead of opposing plans, you folks under 45 years old had better start DEMANDING some plan to reduce the costs of the baby boomer retirement on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA Hospitals. The amount that will be spent on those programs is going to grow at a rate of 18% a year for the next 20 years.

    HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT?

    ASK YOUR CONGRESSMAN WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT!

    jakesdad

    August 10th, 2009
    10:44 am

    I don’t doubt that at least some (if not most) of the protestors are coordinated/orchestrated but is anyone actually dumb enough to believe that the meetings themselves aren’t?

    Freedom_Lover

    August 10th, 2009
    10:47 am

    It’s time we got rid of Medicare and let the folks 65+ start paying for their own healthcare instead of taxing me to death!

    pd

    August 10th, 2009
    10:54 am

    BRavesfan wrote, “To answer your question, let me ask you one. Where in the constitution does it give congress the right to tax one group to supply healthcare? It doesnt. In fact its illegal to take tax money from one group to use for anything other then security, borders and roads.”

    While the Constitution doesn’t mention Health care, it also doesn’t have the provisions about roads, borders, adn security that you cite.

    The 16th amendment just says that Congress doesn’t have to distribute the taxes they take evenly among states.

    “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration”

    pd

    August 10th, 2009
    11:01 am

    The thing about healthcare reform is that no one is offering a different solution. Its either the plan now on the floor, or do nothing.

    Nothing, is not a viable alternative.

    You have this expense that is universal and it is rising at a much higher rate than inflation. It has been for quite a while. It will soon be that 1 in every 12 dollars spent in this country is on healthcare.

    I see a lot of problems with the current situation. However, I am not sold on the current plan being considered. I just wish that there were two or three proposals to consider. None of which should be the status quo. Because the status quo is broken.

    DAWG

    August 10th, 2009
    11:06 am

    The status quo is not broken. I work hard to provide for my family and have no trouble covering the cost of healthcare.

    pd

    August 10th, 2009
    11:11 am

    DAWG, perhaps right now you don’t have a problem paying your premium. But if you’re like everyone else, your premiums have risen quite a bit faster than the overall inflation rate. At some point, you very well may have problems paying that premium.

    Raider

    August 10th, 2009
    11:12 am

    My fellow Georgians-
    If you go to Rep. David scott’s website – “U.S. Congressman David Scott: 13th District of Georgia”
    There is a poll on the right hand side that says-
    “Current poll”
    “what is your health insurance status”

    Over 7500 people have voted with the last sentence
    SATISFIED WITH MY CURRENT PLAN

    it is at ——–97%——–

    AND HE IS LISTENING TO HIS CONSTITUENTS!

    one word————————BULLCORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He is NOT listening to us! PERIOD!
    VOTE HIM OUT NEXT TIME!
    VOTE HIM OUT!
    GET RID OF HIM!
    WE WILL FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO LISTEN TO US!
    GOODBYE REP. SCOTT!

    Judi A. Nickels

    August 10th, 2009
    11:13 am

    Since there is no way for every citizen of an area to get an appointment with a member of Congress, all of their meetings should be open to all topics.

    I personally find it offensive that Nancy Pelosi and others in the party are suggesting it is un-American to protest anything to do with the healthcare reform.

    Democrats have used SEIU and ACORN in all its forms to go after any Democratic opposition year after year, sometimes in very aggressive ways.

    It is certainly appropriate to look now and express opinions about what may end up in the bill or look because it is not specifically excluded at what may be activated when the program is implemented by those running and interpreting what can be in the program.

    I am an independent voter who votes based on the candidate and hold both liberal and conservative views. I am interested in any actions the Congress takes and I believe it is my responsibility and right to look at what is happening in my government.

    I find it amazing how the Democrats are showing such thin skin when not everyone agrees with them. Politics is normally considered a tough job and one would think they would be able to handle questions and opposing opinions. Is it a case of complaining and criticizing others because they do not know what is in the bill or because they have no clear way to justify what they are doing?

    Personally I am concerned about any possibility of a public insurance option. Any company would logically consider a move to cancel their option for employees to save money with no reason not to force everyone into a public plan. I am also concerned about set standards of care since there are differences between individuals on how medicines and treatments work. This could be deadly for some and often results in more costs and tests when there is a negative reaction to a medication for example.

    Rationing is also a concern. This has clearly happened in other countries with socialized medicine.

    Further, there is an economic flow of monies from other countries when those who live in places like Canada where they can’t get timely care come to the USA and pay for care.

    Currently states that have plans, such as in Massachusetts, are having economic problems because of costs. They have not been able to make it work.

    The current proposed healthcare, as I understand it, will reduce Medicaid funds to states in the years to come that will result in a need for more state funding.

    Lastly, it would seem the USA should first make a move towards fixing the VA and fixing Medicare and Medicaid problems that add a lot of expense in paperwork, that contain a lot of fraud–motorized chairs is one example. I see no evidence that our government in Washington is effective at managing money or programs. Show me you can manage a budget and reduce spending first before you create a worse mess by putting your imprint on healthcare.

    DAWG

    August 10th, 2009
    11:23 am

    I doubt it PD.

    Dan

    August 10th, 2009
    11:28 am

    Any governmnet option on social issues should be a safety net, not a primary driver

    PappyHappy

    August 10th, 2009
    11:29 am

    After Rep Scott’s diatribe and Nancy Pelosi/Steny Hoyer’s “UNAMERICAN TAG” in USA Today, just wonder who will be running against these three? Their arrogance is pretty unbelievable. Citizens deserve better.

    Do believe that Health Care has become the tipping point. There have been a number of issues since January that have caused consternation on the part of many who had really supported Obama’s campaign promises of ‘openness, transparency, fiscal responsibility , honesty in government, and ….. BIPARTISANSHIP’. What have we had? Selection of tax cheats to the cabinet; billions in TARP money to big financial institutions who are now paying millions in bonuses while 72 smaller banks have gone under; stimulus filled with pork, and little to show that it has created jobs; billions poured into the auto industry to preclude both going bankrupt, and both went bankrupt; the arrogance of the House to run through a Cap and Trade bill who few (if any had read) that would make the USA much less economically competitive visa vi India and China; the Professor Gates diatribe; the attempt to get ’snitches’ via flag@whitehouse.gov; Pelosi Air (now 8 aircraft); and today, the opinion piece in USA Today!! It is now an issue of TRUST, and the political leaders JUST DO NOT GET IT!! They — indeed — perceive themselves as the POLITICAL CLASS, and we are the PEASANTS!! The Scott diatribe is a great example!! Scott — like many of them — has forgotten who he works for!!

    WHY WON’T CONGRESS AND THE ADMINISTRATION LEVEL WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

    * WHAT IS IMAC? WHAT WILL IT DO, AND WHAT WILL IT NOT DO? WHO WILL SERVE ON IT, AND WHO WILL DO THE SELECTION OF THOSE WHO SERVE?

    * HOW WILL THEY PROVIDE THE HEALTH CARE DELIVERY SYSTEM WITH AN EXISTING NURSE SHORTAGE AND A GROWING DOCTOR SHORTAGE — MORE TO COME IF THEY HAVE TO BREAK THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH? (Please do not use AMA and AARP as being for the program, for they do not represent the vast majority of doctors, and after this past week, the AARP is going to represent many fewer seniors!)

    *HOW WILL THE ADMINISTRATION’S PLAN CHANGE MEDICARE — GIVE SPECIFICS — NOT GENERALITIES?

    *WHY IS THE ADMINISTRATION SO STRIDENTLY AGAINST TORT REFORM — WHICH WOULD SAVE BILLIONS FROM BOGUS LAW SUITS?

    *WHY IS THERE NOT LANGUAGE TO GO AFTER MEDICAID AND MEDICARE FRAUD — WHICH AGAIN WOULD SAVE BILLIONS?

    *WHAT MAKES UP THE 47 MILLION ‘WITHOUT INSURANCE’ THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO TOUT? WHAT ARE THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKOUTS — INCLUDING ILLEGALS?

    *WHY IS THERE NOT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THE BILLS ON TARGETING MONEY TOWARDS CURES FOR DISEASES: DIABETES; VARIOUS CANCERS; AUTISM; MS; HEART DISEASE; SPINAL CORD INJURIES; AND VARIOUS DISEASES ASSOCIATED WITH AGING?

    I just see a lot of government control on who lives and dies, and very little in real health care reform!

    Judi A. Nickels

    August 10th, 2009
    11:29 am

    It is apparent from some of the comments I see and hear many people do not have jobs or do not know what deductions are on their payroll or what their employers pay on their behalf for which they pay no individual taxes.

    Those complaining about Medicare should be made aware all the senior citizens had deductions from their payroll for Social Security and Medicare. Their employers also contributed based on salaries matching funds on the individual employees’ behalf. Further, included in your benefits most companies are paying on your behalf a portion of your healthcare premiums–often what they are paying is higher than your portion. Seniors in essence paid for the care they are receiving and it is not their personal doing that Congress has mismanaged these funds. They will mismanage premiums you pay for a public health plan if it should go through just like they have Medicare.

    So, if the US Government says an employer can pay 8% towards a public healthcare plan, that will be considerably less than you get as a benefit now from your employer–in other words, you will have a decrease in your overall compensation from your employer and get a public healthcare plan that will provide less–think of it as going to see a provider at your county public health clinic.

    Check on your payroll and see what you contribute toward Social Security and Medicare and healthcare. Take the time to learn what your employer pays towards these on your behalf. Learn the truth about what to expect from the government due to their mismanagement of Medicare.

    pd

    August 10th, 2009
    11:37 am

    I am curious to know what those out there who do not have employer provided plans pay.

    Before my wife became a teacher, and I covered our premium, we paid $400 a month even carrying a $5000 deductible. We are in our 30s with one child and no pre-existing conditions.

    I just ran a quote out of curiousity for a fictional family in their mid 50s with two children and find with a $1000 dedcutible, their premium would be around $1000 a month.

    Tomhere

    August 10th, 2009
    11:38 am

    I’m hearing there will be organized resistance to Political Terrorists.

    Glenn

    August 10th, 2009
    11:43 am

    I guess most of you people know that the current healthcare system is socialized already right? No person , whether citizen or not , can be denied health care for any reason . They will get treated no matter what the cost , & it will get paid for no matter what the price .That cost will be passed back to you though higher insurance premiums , taxes , or a 10 dollar aspirin . So if a person with no insurance has a stroke & ends up spending a month in the hospital or a non citizen needs heart bypass surgery that person will get it & you as a working taxpayer are paying for it already without any say in what is being charged . What is it so many of you that are against reform love about wasteful spending ?

    2Old4This

    August 10th, 2009
    11:49 am

    i’m in my late 50s and my plan is $300/month BCBS. That is for a single person. $5k total out of pocket. The folks I know in their 50’s have grown children and only cover themselves.

    I’ve not been covered by an employer’s plan in over 25 years and prefer it that way. While there are changes I would like to see, this is largely an issue of personal responsibility. No one is going to look after your health better than yourself. And I sure don’t like what I see coming out of Washington. I’m saying this having been ‘caught’ without insurance and having bills into the 6 figures. And I paid my bills…silly me.

    But what does this have to do with Rep Scott’s behavior????

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    TW

    August 10th, 2009
    12:11 pm

    This doctor, who was weel within bounds to ask the question, has simply had his voice polluted by the rightwing scum that has hijacked the opposition to health care movement.

    The small government voice has been destroyed by the incompetents (Sarah Palin, Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc) who’ve positioned themselves to lead it.

    The health care debate desperatly needs the views of the doctor, but, by association, he simply has no crediblity.

    pd

    August 10th, 2009
    12:12 pm

    Healthcare costs have risen at a rate of over 6% per year for the last decade. By 2017, Healthcare will represent 20% of GDP. The United States currently spends 52% more per person on healthcare than the next highest country, Norway.

    I am not saying that the plan being considered now is the right plan. I am just saying, we need a plan.

    Tongo

    August 10th, 2009
    12:13 pm

    It is clear to me that the Doctor is a racist. Who is he to disrespect the Senator in such a public forum. The Honorable Sen. Scott cannot allow white people talking to him with such arrogance and condescention.

    Tongo

    confederated GOP

    August 10th, 2009
    12:14 pm

    vote like they did when Regan was in office Just get 51 vote we are in power not them do as they did back in 1981. We need this to pass . these people are clue less . they look at to much fox news. And Scott you know who voted you in office not the confederated GOP. Vote yes and you will get back in office! bank on it. history note* the same party voted (no) on Medicare and most of these clowns need it then as do they need it now pure Foolishness and hateful1! The Confederates want nothing to change but they are so wrong this time!!

    Ray

    August 10th, 2009
    12:14 pm

    After we shoot down this proposterous attempt on the left to socialize our country, we will repeal medicare. I wish to God we’d have had this response when they passed the socialistic medicare.

    Down with Obamacare! Medicare your next!

    confederated GOP

    August 10th, 2009
    12:18 pm

    The Party of No no no blinded by no . The confederated GOP is LOST IN SPACE!

    Any Time Is Good

    August 10th, 2009
    12:26 pm

    Healthcare REFORM – reform is not a government plan to take over healthcare of americans. Reform means to fix whats broken.

    If they want to fix healthcare and do reform then they need to take the regulations out of healthcare and allow people to buy exactly what they use and nothing more. They also need to protect these doctors from un-merrited lawsuites. This costs billions and the average doctor has to pay over 200K for insurance.

    Stop paying for medicaid people to take their kids to the hospital for illness. Illness is a doctors office visit and yes they have to sit and wait their turn. Hospitals are for life threatening emergencies, broken bones etc. Everytime I have ever had to use emergency treatment I have had to wait behind a ear infection, the sniffels, a headack etc. Tell my kid sitting there with a broken foot and sent by his doctor that he has to wait behing three kids that have the sniffels not to mention that that visit just went from 90 to 790 after hospital bills for everything.

    Now on to Medicare. Get rid of all the billing that results from no service. Look at your medical receipts. Did you really get charged for those three pillows? Did you take them home? Did you get charged for the pain medication even though you werent given any. Did you really get that wheelchair or did you already have one that you bought yourself and they know you have one so they billed it anyway? Oh yea, its happening all over. Take care of the corruption and mis-use of the medical profession and you will reform the industry so that people can afford to get health coverage.

    There are many ways of fixing this system without killing it with government healthcare. All a government plan will do is up the fraudulant billing of many many medical professionals and create refusals. You think its bad now, wait till you hit 55 and need a real procedure. You wont qualify.

    Daedalus

    August 10th, 2009
    12:30 pm

    Where was all this concern about the cost to taxpayers when President Bush cooked the books on the cost of the Iraq war? What was the cost of that per month? And none of it reported as part of the budget report to Congress.

    The Bushies sent $12 billion in CASH to Iraq and lost it (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1) — still, not a peep about waste from the right-wing.

    We will probably never know how much was misspent on the Iraq war — that’s how poor the Bush administration was on financial accounting — but suggest we spend tax dollars on provided healthcare for Americans and you right-wingers go nuts.

    So, billions and billions for Iraq (with no accounting structure) but not one penny for healthcare for uninsured Americans.

    Makes me think that the real agenda is to oppose Obama — on everything and not to have a reasoned debate on the deficit, the budget or spending.

    pd

    August 10th, 2009
    1:04 pm

    Speaking of Iraq, have anyone taken a look at their healthcare system. Its in shambles.

    confederated GOP

    August 10th, 2009
    1:29 pm

    they ask for a fight now let’s give them one. we have ask and ask them to join in to help but all they know in no. time for us to do the same to them we won . time out trying to ask them to help. we have the votes l all we need in the senate is 51 and we have those and we have the vote in the house. time to end the GOP confederate power play they don’t want to help just hurt and hate.

    Toby

    August 10th, 2009
    1:49 pm

    Healthcare is not in the Constitution? Neither is road and bridge building, airports, rest stops, baseball stadiums etc… The standard of our constitution is that congress is empowered to make laws which are deemed reasonable and just, period. Anything that does not violate the bill of rights is considered reasonable. There are many things that are not expressly enumerated in the constitution, sirs and madams. I doubt they ever even considered that governments would build airports, what do you think?

    2Cents2

    August 10th, 2009
    2:02 pm

    There are alternative ideas out there other than nationalizing more of our health care system. Here are some –

    Require people who are offered work health insurance to buy it (appx 12 million of the 47 million without healthcare)

    Require insurance companies to allow interstate policies. (lowers cost)

    Stop pre-existing condition clauses in insurance (allows for competition when you can change cos)

    Have catastrophic insurance available for people who don’t want full coverage: young adults, immigrants, people just starting out. (it’s economical and the best choice for many healthy individuals)

    Require legal immigrants buy catastrophic ins when they come into the country (appx 8 million of the 47 million that don’t have insurance)

    Deport illegal immigrants. (appx 11 million of the 47 millison that don’t have insurance)

    Change the laws that allow any baby born in the US automatic citizenship (TX,CA, AZ are overrun with illegals giving birth in border towns)

    Update our health care databases and make it more efficient.

    Stop giving everyone on medicare/medicaid motorized scooters. (I doubt it’s a huge expense, but the commercial that says “if the gov won’t buy you one, we’ll give you one for free” makes my blood boil. And it’s indicative of how wasteful our nationalized programs are now.)

    Increase Medicare for those that are the working poor. (the last 16 million that don’t have insurance today)

    And those are just a few I’ve heard that make sense to me.

    And for those talking about rising health care costs – one reason health care has gone up is because it’s better today than it was 10, 20, 40 years ago. 40 years ago we had no effective cancer treatments. We didn’t have MRI scans. We didn’t have life saving surgeries, better lenses for cataract patients, and on and on. We’re not just paying more due to inefficiencies. We’re paying more for technologically advanced health care.

    We need health care reform and it’s not just democrats who think so. But why do we have to change an entire system because 15% of the population is under-insured? What about the other 85%? What a waste of resources to scrap an entire system when 85% have health insurance. It’s inefficient and expensive to scrap a huge system, to change laws,to require companies to add more paperwork, etc.

    Health care reform is good. But it should be done in increments so we can see what works and what doesn’t work. How about trying some small test groups (states, for example) to see what works and how to create efficiencies? There are lots of good ideas out there. I’m tired of hearing that the only idea is this one HUGE plan that has to be done NOW. Bullocks.

    Democrats dismiss Republicans by saying there are no other ideas and by insinuating everyone who’s disagreeing at the town hall meetings are agitators and not ‘real’ citizens. I think this dismissive attitude is going to come back to haunt the democratic congress and the left bloggers. Because while it might make democrats feel good to be dismissive, it’s not smart to under estimate your opponents.

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    R[love]ution

    August 10th, 2009
    3:03 pm

    PD, that is not true at all. Just because the media and the democrats don’t report other plans, doesn’t mean people haven’t proposed them. Ron Paul has been advocating a truly free market model (unlike the sham that democrats call “free market”) since at least 2004. If you don’t believe me, google “Ron Paul health care.” He wants 3rd party payers out of the system so that we don’t by pass pricing mechanisms. He wants tax credits for all medical spending. Get rid of HMOs. The reason health care costs have skyrocketed is because of the increased government intervention. The two areas of our economy with the fastest inflation are education and healthcare which shouldn’t surprise you are the two areas that government regulation and intervention are the HIGHEST. Government is not the solution but the problem.

    confederated GOP

    August 10th, 2009
    3:17 pm

    The problem is greed if every one did there part this could be over in a week. use what work. 2cent2 we are not dismissing any one but I ask you the same question why you keep saying no to every thing. we want to work with you but we want the same from you guys. employee base health is down for the count. HMO tell your doctor what to do every day and you guys know it. a lot of people go bankrupt with the system we have now. fighting is not the answer nor is saying no to every thing to. Let work together or fight with each other, I say let work to help our country!! we can not get all we want but we all can win!!

    ^^^idiot

    August 10th, 2009
    3:22 pm

    Confederated GOP, how are we supposed to work together when 33% want more government, 33% want the status quo, and 33% want less government. If anything, let the states decide like the constitution says and stop the federal government power grab. It isn’t just Obama but every president over the past 150 years