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	<title>Comments on: Sonny Perdue goes to bat for health care protesters</title>
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		<title>By: Base</title>
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		<dc:creator>Base</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonny needs to concentrate on geting water ,transportation,budget and employment issues settled in Georgia and less time on other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonny needs to concentrate on geting water ,transportation,budget and employment issues settled in Georgia and less time on other things.</p>
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		<title>By: ZackPchuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZackPchuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonny Purdue will defend anyone/anything IF there is a buck to be placed in his wallet. This man is among the &#039;evil elite&#039; of governors, including Jimmy Carter, BillybobJoeFrankJimmyJim Harris, Barnes and of course, Miller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonny Purdue will defend anyone/anything IF there is a buck to be placed in his wallet. This man is among the &#8216;evil elite&#8217; of governors, including Jimmy Carter, BillybobJoeFrankJimmyJim Harris, Barnes and of course, Miller.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Sue Causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Sue Causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, sam.. People being physically beat up for expressing Free Speech tends to put a damper on fruitful discussions being had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sam.. People being physically beat up for expressing Free Speech tends to put a damper on fruitful discussions being had.</p>
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		<title>By: R[love]ution</title>
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		<dc:creator>R[love]ution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are straddling a fence now between two systems so we have the worst of both worlds. You argument that other countries spend less is thus irrelevant because it does not address what I am calling for, getting government OUT of healthcare. There is no reason that we cannot achieve even lower costs than those same countries you cite as having relatively cheap healthcare. 

Defense spending increases aren&#039;t a result of inflation, btw, but I am against most funding there too. I am talking about a surgery costing more now than a surgery cost 30 years ago. Defense spending is up because we have MORE weapons, MORE soldiers and MORE wars, not terribly increased costs per weapon, etc. Yes, it costs more to outfit a soldier now than it did back then, but its constant with inflation if you take out the technology upgrades which isn&#039;t technically inflation. A doctor checking your heartbeat with a stethoscope costs significantly more now than it did 30 years (even after adjusted for inflation) because of paperwork and the lack of price controls. When a 3rd party pays, you don&#039;t have the incentive to shop around and find a cheap place and Doctors have no incentive to lower the price. Paperwork and regulations along with a lack of a reasonable malpractice lawsuit caps also contribute a lot. 

And I find it funny you say I am committing a fallacy but you just do the same thing but without the facts. If you look at the historical data, you don&#039;t see the costs escalate UNTIL government intervenes. Facts are stubborn things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are straddling a fence now between two systems so we have the worst of both worlds. You argument that other countries spend less is thus irrelevant because it does not address what I am calling for, getting government OUT of healthcare. There is no reason that we cannot achieve even lower costs than those same countries you cite as having relatively cheap healthcare. </p>
<p>Defense spending increases aren&#8217;t a result of inflation, btw, but I am against most funding there too. I am talking about a surgery costing more now than a surgery cost 30 years ago. Defense spending is up because we have MORE weapons, MORE soldiers and MORE wars, not terribly increased costs per weapon, etc. Yes, it costs more to outfit a soldier now than it did back then, but its constant with inflation if you take out the technology upgrades which isn&#8217;t technically inflation. A doctor checking your heartbeat with a stethoscope costs significantly more now than it did 30 years (even after adjusted for inflation) because of paperwork and the lack of price controls. When a 3rd party pays, you don&#8217;t have the incentive to shop around and find a cheap place and Doctors have no incentive to lower the price. Paperwork and regulations along with a lack of a reasonable malpractice lawsuit caps also contribute a lot. </p>
<p>And I find it funny you say I am committing a fallacy but you just do the same thing but without the facts. If you look at the historical data, you don&#8217;t see the costs escalate UNTIL government intervenes. Facts are stubborn things.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R(love)ution.

We call your argument &quot;false cause&quot; fallacy.  Because two things are associated, does not mean that they are causally related.  

1.  Could it be that government is involved in these things BECAUSE costs are so high?
2.  If healthcare costs increase because of government involvement, why do countries that have more involvement actually have health care costs of half of those of the US?

If it is true that the government is involved in healthcare as a cause of costs increasing, this is only because current government involvement is the tail wagging the dog;  i.e. insurance companies and big pharm have influence government policy in a way to shore up their profits.

Finally...Your facts about increased costs in education and healthcare are incorrect.  The greatest increase in public sector spending has been in so-called &quot;defense spending&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R(love)ution.</p>
<p>We call your argument &#8220;false cause&#8221; fallacy.  Because two things are associated, does not mean that they are causally related.  </p>
<p>1.  Could it be that government is involved in these things BECAUSE costs are so high?<br />
2.  If healthcare costs increase because of government involvement, why do countries that have more involvement actually have health care costs of half of those of the US?</p>
<p>If it is true that the government is involved in healthcare as a cause of costs increasing, this is only because current government involvement is the tail wagging the dog;  i.e. insurance companies and big pharm have influence government policy in a way to shore up their profits.</p>
<p>Finally&#8230;Your facts about increased costs in education and healthcare are incorrect.  The greatest increase in public sector spending has been in so-called &#8220;defense spending&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Perimeter Progressive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perimeter Progressive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does Perdue support whomever painted the Swastika today at Scott&#039;s office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does Perdue support whomever painted the Swastika today at Scott&#8217;s office?</p>
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		<title>By: R[love]ution</title>
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		<dc:creator>R[love]ution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I forgot to mention that the two areas of the economy with the highest inflation are healthcare and education. Notice that these two areas are also the sectors where government is involved the most. Join the R[love]ution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I forgot to mention that the two areas of the economy with the highest inflation are healthcare and education. Notice that these two areas are also the sectors where government is involved the most. Join the R[love]ution!</p>
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		<title>By: R[love]ution</title>
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		<dc:creator>R[love]ution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government is the problem, not the solution. The reason healthcare costs are escalating so fast is because of increased gov&#039;t intervention since the 1970s. Democrats like to tell you we have a free market system as is but that isn&#039;t true. We have some elements of that but Insurance and HMOs have completely distorted that with gov&#039;t paperwork, regulations, etc. Ron Paul mentions a clinic in TN that refuses all gov&#039;t payment plans and all insurance plans. You have to pay straight cash to be seen and you walk in the day you want to be seen (no appointment necessary). Routine maladies and checkups cost $35 dollars. $35!!! Compare that to your copay with insurance or your total bill next time you go to the doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government is the problem, not the solution. The reason healthcare costs are escalating so fast is because of increased gov&#8217;t intervention since the 1970s. Democrats like to tell you we have a free market system as is but that isn&#8217;t true. We have some elements of that but Insurance and HMOs have completely distorted that with gov&#8217;t paperwork, regulations, etc. Ron Paul mentions a clinic in TN that refuses all gov&#8217;t payment plans and all insurance plans. You have to pay straight cash to be seen and you walk in the day you want to be seen (no appointment necessary). Routine maladies and checkups cost $35 dollars. $35!!! Compare that to your copay with insurance or your total bill next time you go to the doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: Everyone has CARE, not Insurance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everyone has CARE, not Insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick estelle, there is a BIG difference between health CARE and health INSURANCE. EVERYONE has health care but 46-47 million don&#039;t have INSURANCE. A good portion of those people CHOOSE not to have it because they are healthy and a good portion are illegal and don&#039;t pay taxes. Learn your facts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick estelle, there is a BIG difference between health CARE and health INSURANCE. EVERYONE has health care but 46-47 million don&#8217;t have INSURANCE. A good portion of those people CHOOSE not to have it because they are healthy and a good portion are illegal and don&#8217;t pay taxes. Learn your facts</p>
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		<title>By: Right or Good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right or Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole argument boils down to is healthcare a right or is it a good. It is a nice ideal that healthcare is a right because certainly we can all agree that we wish the best and that includes healthcare. But, to believe that ideal is to believe that anything that one NEEDS in life should be given to them as a right. This means that food, a roof and an education are also guaranteed along with healthcare. Now I ask, why would I go out and work or contribute to society if I have free food, a free home, a free education and free healthcare? I wouldn&#039;t. I would sit at home and play video games while watching tv and drinking beer. This is me being completely honest people. I only work so that I can get the things I need and want but If I can have the things I NEED for free, I am not going to work 40 hour weeks just for a nicer whatever. They are called incentives for a reason because they influence you to action. The idea of not having things guaranteed means you have to go out, contribute and EARN them. Just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole argument boils down to is healthcare a right or is it a good. It is a nice ideal that healthcare is a right because certainly we can all agree that we wish the best and that includes healthcare. But, to believe that ideal is to believe that anything that one NEEDS in life should be given to them as a right. This means that food, a roof and an education are also guaranteed along with healthcare. Now I ask, why would I go out and work or contribute to society if I have free food, a free home, a free education and free healthcare? I wouldn&#8217;t. I would sit at home and play video games while watching tv and drinking beer. This is me being completely honest people. I only work so that I can get the things I need and want but If I can have the things I NEED for free, I am not going to work 40 hour weeks just for a nicer whatever. They are called incentives for a reason because they influence you to action. The idea of not having things guaranteed means you have to go out, contribute and EARN them. Just my two cents</p>
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