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	<title>Comments on: Signs of a deal in the works over F-22 spending</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So up libs think buy more old (even more cold war era) F-18s is a better idea?  That what Gate &amp; company want to with the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So up libs think buy more old (even more cold war era) F-18s is a better idea?  That what Gate &amp; company want to with the money.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the scheme of things, the F-22 is symbolic.  If we can&#039;t kill this useless project, we will never put a dent in the ever-growing congressional military industrial complex.

It seems like every other week, Chambliss has a press release about the F-22.  He rarely addresses our current debacles in Iraq or Afghanistan.  What are our needs NOW!  Where was Chambliss when our Humvees needed upgrades?  Where was Chambliss when our kids needed helmet liners?  Where was Chambliss when these kids were forced to served extended and repeated tours.  Chambliss is a fraud and this debate is all about Lockheed and campaign contributions and not about what&#039;s best for our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the scheme of things, the F-22 is symbolic.  If we can&#8217;t kill this useless project, we will never put a dent in the ever-growing congressional military industrial complex.</p>
<p>It seems like every other week, Chambliss has a press release about the F-22.  He rarely addresses our current debacles in Iraq or Afghanistan.  What are our needs NOW!  Where was Chambliss when our Humvees needed upgrades?  Where was Chambliss when our kids needed helmet liners?  Where was Chambliss when these kids were forced to served extended and repeated tours.  Chambliss is a fraud and this debate is all about Lockheed and campaign contributions and not about what&#8217;s best for our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gayle, before you write &quot;facts&quot; such as &quot;the only gun the Phantom ever had was one built into a external wing or fuselage pod - no Phantom ever had an internal gun&quot; please take to time to read about the F-4E.  I&#039;m sure there are thousands of links on google or and search engine.  The F-4E, if you&#039;re too busy to look, had a 20 mm M-61 built into the nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayle, before you write &#8220;facts&#8221; such as &#8220;the only gun the Phantom ever had was one built into a external wing or fuselage pod &#8211; no Phantom ever had an internal gun&#8221; please take to time to read about the F-4E.  I&#8217;m sure there are thousands of links on google or and search engine.  The F-4E, if you&#8217;re too busy to look, had a 20 mm M-61 built into the nose.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawg80</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawg80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all against pork, but even from my left-of-center perspective, this is a good use of money -- much better than the trillions spent bailing out Wall Street and just a fraction of the money spent bailing out Motor City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all against pork, but even from my left-of-center perspective, this is a good use of money &#8212; much better than the trillions spent bailing out Wall Street and just a fraction of the money spent bailing out Motor City.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Obama goes, if we can get the F-22s I want him to veto the defense bill passed by his Democrat dominated Congress.  That would make him look really weak on defense!  As far a China and the other countries go I just don&#039;t want them to see oppportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Obama goes, if we can get the F-22s I want him to veto the defense bill passed by his Democrat dominated Congress.  That would make him look really weak on defense!  As far a China and the other countries go I just don&#8217;t want them to see oppportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: The Snark</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Snark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you people who are so afraid of China -- whose entire defense budget is less than ONE TENTH of ours, and who has exactly zero aircraft carriers -- might consider the fact that China&#039;s economy is almost entirely dependent upon the USA. Do you really think they want to shoot at us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you people who are so afraid of China &#8212; whose entire defense budget is less than ONE TENTH of ours, and who has exactly zero aircraft carriers &#8212; might consider the fact that China&#8217;s economy is almost entirely dependent upon the USA. Do you really think they want to shoot at us?</p>
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		<title>By: Zell Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zell Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHICAGO (AFP)--U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates pledged Thursday to fight lawmakers over his proposed cuts to the F-22 fighter program, saying it was a test of efforts to reform entrenched military spending.

&quot;It is time to draw the line on doing defense business as usual,&quot; Gates said in a speech in Chicago. He said President Barack Obama would make good on a threat to veto a defense budget that includes money for new F-22 Raptors.

&quot;The president has drawn that line. And that red line with regard to a veto is real,&quot; Gates said.

The Obama administration has proposed capping production of the F-22 at 187 jets, meaning only four more would be built.

But a bill drafted by the Senate Armed Services Committee would fund an additional seven F-22s at a cost of $1.75 billion.

Speaking to the Economic Club of Chicago, Gates described the issue as a crucial test of whether military spending could be reformed and the defense establishment weaned away from habits of the Cold War.

&quot;If we can&#039;t get this right, what on earth can we get right?&quot; he said.

The F-22 Raptors, equipped with radar-evading technology and built by Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) and Boeing Co. (BA), cost about $350 million each and have been in development for decades.

The Air Force had proposed building nearly 400, but Gates concluded the expansion was excessive, especially given the slow development of rival fighter jets by potential adversaries such as China.

Gates argued the U.S. jet of the future is the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which he said is more versatile and better at knocking out enemy air defenses.

The administration&#039;s proposed $663.8 billion defense budget for fiscal 2010 scales back some major weapons programs while bolstering funding for unmanned aircraft, helicopters and other resources for counter-insurgency campaigns like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The budget represented a modest increase over defense spending under former president George W. Bush, despite critics&#039; claims that the administration has slashed military spending, Gates said.

The military budget &quot;adds up to about what the entire rest of the world combined - friend and foe alike - spends on defense,&quot; he said &quot;Only in the parallel universe that is Washington, D.C., would that be considered &#039;gutting&#039; defense.&quot;

Gates acknowledged that previous administrations have struggled to rein in Pentagon spending and encountered stiff opposition from lawmakers and their sponsors in the defense industry.

But he said &quot;the stakes today are very high&quot; with the country at war in an increasingly volatile world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHICAGO (AFP)&#8211;U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates pledged Thursday to fight lawmakers over his proposed cuts to the F-22 fighter program, saying it was a test of efforts to reform entrenched military spending.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is time to draw the line on doing defense business as usual,&#8221; Gates said in a speech in Chicago. He said President Barack Obama would make good on a threat to veto a defense budget that includes money for new F-22 Raptors.</p>
<p>&#8220;The president has drawn that line. And that red line with regard to a veto is real,&#8221; Gates said.</p>
<p>The Obama administration has proposed capping production of the F-22 at 187 jets, meaning only four more would be built.</p>
<p>But a bill drafted by the Senate Armed Services Committee would fund an additional seven F-22s at a cost of $1.75 billion.</p>
<p>Speaking to the Economic Club of Chicago, Gates described the issue as a crucial test of whether military spending could be reformed and the defense establishment weaned away from habits of the Cold War.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we can&#8217;t get this right, what on earth can we get right?&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>The F-22 Raptors, equipped with radar-evading technology and built by Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) and Boeing Co. (BA), cost about $350 million each and have been in development for decades.</p>
<p>The Air Force had proposed building nearly 400, but Gates concluded the expansion was excessive, especially given the slow development of rival fighter jets by potential adversaries such as China.</p>
<p>Gates argued the U.S. jet of the future is the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which he said is more versatile and better at knocking out enemy air defenses.</p>
<p>The administration&#8217;s proposed $663.8 billion defense budget for fiscal 2010 scales back some major weapons programs while bolstering funding for unmanned aircraft, helicopters and other resources for counter-insurgency campaigns like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>The budget represented a modest increase over defense spending under former president George W. Bush, despite critics&#8217; claims that the administration has slashed military spending, Gates said.</p>
<p>The military budget &#8220;adds up to about what the entire rest of the world combined &#8211; friend and foe alike &#8211; spends on defense,&#8221; he said &#8220;Only in the parallel universe that is Washington, D.C., would that be considered &#8216;gutting&#8217; defense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gates acknowledged that previous administrations have struggled to rein in Pentagon spending and encountered stiff opposition from lawmakers and their sponsors in the defense industry.</p>
<p>But he said &#8220;the stakes today are very high&#8221; with the country at war in an increasingly volatile world.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll have 1700 F-35s like we have 130 B-2s or 750 F-22s?  What happens when all the problems come out about it?  This aircraft has a lot of promise but it is very early in its test program.  It way to early to bet everything on it. At one time the F-111 was going to do every mission but it turned to be good at only a few.  Gen. Schwartz and Michael Donley hit that there is a lot of risk in the article as well.  Don&#039;t forget the comment that says 381 F-22s would be low ris and 243 F-22s is medium risk.  Then what is 187?  It seems to imply hight risk.  Gates fired Gen. Mosley over just this issue and he know he will be gone too if he doesn&#039;t toe the party line.

I think the operation commander Gen. Corley is far more credible because he just kissed any chance of promotion away by taking the stand that we need more F-22s. At only 187 we have eliminate sqaudron already in formation or reduce the number of aircraft below the current 18 which already low.  The 243 number would give us enough to keep the sqaudron we have, the training units, the planes that are sent to the depot, and have attritions spares for long life cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll have 1700 F-35s like we have 130 B-2s or 750 F-22s?  What happens when all the problems come out about it?  This aircraft has a lot of promise but it is very early in its test program.  It way to early to bet everything on it. At one time the F-111 was going to do every mission but it turned to be good at only a few.  Gen. Schwartz and Michael Donley hit that there is a lot of risk in the article as well.  Don&#8217;t forget the comment that says 381 F-22s would be low ris and 243 F-22s is medium risk.  Then what is 187?  It seems to imply hight risk.  Gates fired Gen. Mosley over just this issue and he know he will be gone too if he doesn&#8217;t toe the party line.</p>
<p>I think the operation commander Gen. Corley is far more credible because he just kissed any chance of promotion away by taking the stand that we need more F-22s. At only 187 we have eliminate sqaudron already in formation or reduce the number of aircraft below the current 18 which already low.  The 243 number would give us enough to keep the sqaudron we have, the training units, the planes that are sent to the depot, and have attritions spares for long life cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Taxpayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China will not be able to field a similar plane until about 2025, when the United States will have more than 1,700 F-35s,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China will not be able to field a similar plane until about 2025, when the United States will have more than 1,700 F-35s,</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Donley, the Air Force secretary, and Gen. Norton Schwartz, the service’s chief of staff.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Donley, the Air Force secretary, and Gen. Norton Schwartz, the service’s chief of staff.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shift in thinking about the F-22 was detailed in an op-ed article on Monday in The Washington Post by Michael Donley, the Air Force secretary, and Gen. Norton Schwartz, the service’s chief of staff.

Before the announcement by Mr. Gates, both had fought hard for the F-22, saying the Air Force needed it as a hedge against Russia and China and even a possible war with Iran. They had advocated buying 60 more of the planes, which would have brought the Air Force’s fleet to 243. But in their essay, Mr. Donley and General Schwartz wrote that “the time has come to move on.”

The two said that as defense spending becomes constrained, and Mr. Gates shifts money to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, budgeting “has increasingly become a zero-sum game.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shift in thinking about the F-22 was detailed in an op-ed article on Monday in The Washington Post by Michael Donley, the Air Force secretary, and Gen. Norton Schwartz, the service’s chief of staff.</p>
<p>Before the announcement by Mr. Gates, both had fought hard for the F-22, saying the Air Force needed it as a hedge against Russia and China and even a possible war with Iran. They had advocated buying 60 more of the planes, which would have brought the Air Force’s fleet to 243. But in their essay, Mr. Donley and General Schwartz wrote that “the time has come to move on.”</p>
<p>The two said that as defense spending becomes constrained, and Mr. Gates shifts money to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, budgeting “has increasingly become a zero-sum game.”</p>
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