The difference between a shopping mall and the town square

The Atlanta Tea Party says it has been forced to cancel its July 4th gathering in Gwinnett County.

The anti-tax group had planned to hold the event in the old Macy’s building at Gwinnett Place mall, but was forced to cancel it after the mall owner objected.

“[Simon Property Group, Inc.] does not want political events on it’s property. They were also concerned about the fact we were using the term ‘protest,’” said Julianne Thompson, one of the organizers.

As a fallback position, the group is joining with Cobb County activists for a “tea party” on July 3 at Jim Miller Park.

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June 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm

The taxpayer-funded park is the fallback from the failed corporate location? Yay Socialism!

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

June 22nd, 2009
3:10 pm

Can’t blame the mall – those tea-baggers are a perverted bunch of trash.


June 22nd, 2009
5:53 pm

So a “we hate paying taxes” group is meeting in a taxpayer funded park.

Nuts don’t get irony.

ByteMe is an Idiot

June 22nd, 2009
10:52 pm

It is not the hate of paying taxes, it is the horror of seeing government……
overtax, overspend, waste, cheat, lie, and ignore the rightful masters……..THE CITIZENS(All, even the ignorant)

Wake up dork

The Snark

June 23rd, 2009
12:54 am

I will boycott that mall.


June 23rd, 2009
7:16 am

The protest was being held on private property NOT owned by
Simon Malls. Simon Malls owned the easements around the property. (roadways, parking lots, lights, etc)

Follow the money trail and find who their political contributions went to…

You have to pay a fee to have events at Jim Miller park…

Postage Due

June 23rd, 2009
8:08 am

To show your gratitude, how about sending them copies of receipts where you’ve reactively spent your growing ever more precious consumer $$…

At any other mall elsewhere.


June 23rd, 2009
10:41 am

There are over 17 Tea Parties across Georgia July 3rd and 4th. Attend one near you.


June 23rd, 2009
10:49 am

You would think the “political insider” would be connected enough to know the owner of the mall, Melvin Simon, is very rich and politically active Democrat. Plus it is worth mentioning that the protest was planned since March. Funny that Melvin waits until nearly the eve of the event to shut it down.

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Harry Heller

June 23rd, 2009
12:26 pm

THIS IS A DISGRACE. I’ve contacted Simon Properties Personally and the Gwinnet Place Mall, Mangager: Derrick Brown.

Gwinnet lost ‘MILLIONS OF DOLLARS’ for denying the Tea Party. There is one thing for ‘certain’ we will no longer be shopping at Gwinnett Place Mall.

I encourage everyone to ‘BOYCOTT’ the mall now and in the future.



June 23rd, 2009
12:57 pm

This is part of Obama’s idea. I am sure he directed this decision. He is a first class loon!! Hopefully, we will be getting rid of this lying muslim socialist soon.


June 23rd, 2009
1:36 pm

Maybe everybody should boycott any Simon property mall across the US. Sometimes the pocket book talks louder than words.


June 23rd, 2009
1:52 pm

Kay B. Day

June 23rd, 2009
2:24 pm

If La Raza or ACORN needed a venue, Simon probably would offer one in a heartbeat. The property was private. And I can assure you those protesters funded that public park.

Take a neolib bite out of these figures from The Tax Foundation: “…households in the lowest quintile of income received roughly $8.21 in federal, state and local government spending for every dollar of taxes paid in 2004, while households in the middle quintile received $1.30, and households in the top quintile received $0.41. Overall, tax payments exceeded government spending received for the top two quintiles of income, resulting in a net fiscal transfer of between $1.031 trillion and $1.527 trillion between quintiles.”

That, btw, was under the Bush “tax cuts,” culminating in the largest tax increase on upper incomes in history.

We have a tax dodger as Treasury Sec. and a tax dodger heading up the committee that writes tax legislation.

If you don’t want a protest, there is seriously something wrong with your sanity.

Jim Durbin

June 23rd, 2009
5:27 pm

There’s an easy answer to this. Threaten to have the tea party folks go to the mall on the day of the protest and buy something. Then return it the next day, with a note that you’re returning it because the mall owner decided politics was more important than money.

They’ll get the message – especially from 50 district managers start complaining about a massive loss of sales and time.

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June 24th, 2009
1:08 am

You are right Janet this was our Illegal Alien at work which he is afraid that there will be so many people there that he is afraid it is going to turn out like Iran but this will be in every State and I look for him to claim Marshall law to be in the States while they Claim their Sovereghnty as this has him and Congress worried because of 14 States have completed theirs and another 22 in the process from Committee to voting an the bill.


June 24th, 2009
3:59 am

We’ll see how they feel about “political events” the next time they have a ribbon-cutting for the new wing of the Mall. Think they’ll invite the mayor for a photo opp? You can bet on it.

And Jim – when you’re transcribing a quote from someone, make sure you know the difference between its and it’s. As we’d say in California: duh.


June 24th, 2009
6:42 am

Iran could use a good lesson on how to quell protest marches without bloodshed. I thing we the people should stage a TEA MARCH TO ATLANTA!


June 24th, 2009
6:59 am

Posted to my blog and American Thinker, Newsvine
Calling for boycott of this mall since owners feel it’s OK to deny Americans Free Speech.


June 24th, 2009
10:53 am

BIG SURPRISE about Simon….that liberal contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Obama, Clinton, John Edwards, and the like. And gee…a protest in a mall whose shoppers are mostly African-Americans….97% of which voted for Obama. SLIMON doesn’t give a crap about anyone but his own wallet!!


June 24th, 2009
10:58 am

OH…and while we’re at it, I have a question for members of the African-American community:

How is it that you support a political party that was a primary obstacle to the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act and 1964 Civil Rights Act? Did you know that one of your heroes — the former “first black president” Bill Clinton — was an apprentice to Senator J. William Danforth (D-AR), who, along with Senator Albert Gore Sr. (D-TN) both attempted to FILIBUSTER both of these bills on the Senate floor?

Yet you’d sell out for some welfare money and a hack like Obama, who doesn’t give a **** about his impoverished great-aunt (due to be deported for being here illegally) and half-brother in Africa?

You take the cake!!!


June 24th, 2009
1:08 pm

A Special 90-minute Edition will air live Thursday June 25 at 4PM CST Ramble & Rumble with Rabbi.
“Whose Private Property Prevails with Patriots?” – A Lively Discussion with Patriots, Powerful Private Property Owners, Attorneys, and Journalists.

We will “ramble & rumble” regarding the ATLANTA T.E.A. Party Patriots rally for July 4th Independence Day being cancelled by the power-play of the Simon Property Group. The story is not “covered” and in fact minimized by main media.

Contact Rabbi Eukel by email to request and confirm your “live appearance” during this 90-minute Special Edition of “Ramble & Rumble with Rabbi” hosted & produced by Rabbi DF Eukel


June 24th, 2009
1:59 pm

Just a thought…..think they can arrest 10 to 20 thousand?? Go and find out!!

D.C. Loux

June 24th, 2009
3:41 pm

How do you spell BOYCOTT? I’m from Calif. (because of our budget crises, were only 1/2 a state) and just emailed a protest to Simon properties, asking if they own any property in Calif. so I can BOYCOTT. Don’t expect an answer. Perhaps come one can help me out. GO T.P.P.!!


June 24th, 2009
4:22 pm

No Tea. No Cash.


June 24th, 2009
4:50 pm

Gee.Simon says “No Tea Party.What a shame he’s got so many properties in the NY Metro area.Guess business has been slow.Well its about to get a lot slower.Have a nice day.


June 24th, 2009
6:43 pm

I was just at Gwinnett Mall Sunday and was quite saddened by its decline. I swore I would never return again. This just clinches it for me.


June 24th, 2009
10:27 pm

I also sent a message to Simon Malls…which I will never set foot in again unless doing a return :-) . I will purchase at Northpoint and return at Gwinnett Place if necessary.

For those wanting to check if a Simon Mall is in your area, here’s where you can check

For those in the Atlanta area I’ll make it easy…don’t shop at Mall of GA, Gwinnett Place, Lenox, Town Center, Phipps Plaza. General Growth Properties owns Northpoint, Perimeter, Cumberland, Southlake. Forest City Properties owns Stonecrest.


June 25th, 2009
12:05 am

Jim Galloway,
Your opinion has lost all credit with me since reading your words “anti-tax group.” If your writing were based on thorough, unbiased research, you would not have mislabeled a group of people who are concerned about being over taxed because of policies put into place that would cause further, unnecessary debt. I haven’t heard one person claim that they believe no tax is the solution. Shame on you for subtly encouraging the unintelligent things I have read on this blog.

Reasonable People,
Do you agree that the most uninformed of those on blogs tend to be very emotional when sharing their opinion, thereby not really formulating an opinion at all, but rather exposing their ignorance by boring us with name calling and unoriginal sarcasm?

For those of you that want to express your plans to boycott the Gwinnett Place Mall and Simon Property Group, you might find the following link helpful.

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Steve Wheaton

June 25th, 2009
4:32 am

We should be very careful about calling people names: it is one of the seven fundamental techniques of propaganda. I realize that Americans don’t change things until they are mad enough. Unfortunately, anger does not always result in rational thought or actions. Leftist politicians waited to see what would happen during the April 15th tea parties. The strength of the movement did raise some eyebrows. We have progressed from being ignored and laughed at to cause for some concern. They are now waiting for the results of the July 4th demonstrations. If these are larger and more numerous, they won’t wait until the September 13th march on Washington, D.C. to take action. People familiar with crowd control techniques know that a crowd of 10,000 can be controlled by six well placed organizers. The technique is to get the crowd mad enough and then convince them to leave the demonstration and march to some area not included in the permit. This will force the police to take action and the results will become quite unpredictable. Watch how the media reports the July 4th. Ominous warnings, negative comments, and wild accusations should be heeded. Demonizing the tea party movement would be a great propaganda victory for the Left. Remember, as soon as President Obama has his paramilitary forces in place, he will be looking for any excuse to declare martial law and suspend our liberties. Good luck, everybody.

Randall Dunning

June 25th, 2009
10:34 am

Having served on a City Council that recently approved a Simon Mall development in 2004, it is also important to point out that Simon Malls are also recipients of economic development “incentives” from municipalities in the form of sales and property tax abatements (does that make Simon “anti Tax” since they always push to reduce taxation?) and development subsidies / loans. If you trace out the history of how the mall in question was funded, I’ll bet you’ll find sufficient tax payer money to make the point that Simon is just living large the kind of political double standard common to the hypocritical Left. BTW, Simon Malls have often had 4th of July events, celebrations, and carnivals so this is CLEARLY politically motivated.

Randall Dunning

June 25th, 2009
10:41 am

It seems that Galloway is ignorant of the amount of “public money” that goes into building Simon’s malls. This is typical of the “dull as dirt”, indolent, pedestrian, and hypocritical blather we have come to expect from servile reporters huffing the party line of the Obama Ministry of Propaganda.


June 25th, 2009
10:51 am

Julianne Thompson, the person that dealt with Simon Malls, will be on the Glenn Beck show this afternoon at 5:40pm to discuss the cancellation..


June 25th, 2009
10:52 am

SPECIAL EDITION: “Whose Private Property Prevails in a Patriots Rally?” The ATLANTA TEA PARTY PATRIOTS Rally for the 4th of July, America’s 231st Celebration of the Declaration of Independence, was cancelled. Why? A private commercial property owner, SIMON PROPERTY GROUP, “bullied” an adjoining private property owner, George Thorndyke (Gwinnett Place Mall / Old Macy’s Building & Parking Lot) to withdraw the March, 2009 “OK” to hold the T.E.A. Party Rally on his private property. Simon Property Group spokesman acknowledges that Mr. Thorndyke’s property is not their property; however the ‘reciporical easement agreement clause,’ SIMON spokesman asserts, allows them to determine how & what events can be held on someon else’s private property that adjoins theirs. None from the main media “covered” this private property power-play outrage. The Gwinnet Daily Post (Camie Young) and Atlanta Journal Constitution (’Political Insider’ blog by Jim Galloway) gave mention. “Ramble & Rumble with Rabbi” hosted by Rabbi Eukel will produce a SPECIAL EDITION Thursday, June 25 at 4PM CST (5PM EST). Guests are being confirmed now (Wed June 24). Email Rabbi Eukel at EUKEL @ EUKEL .us (remove the spaces, anti-spam technique) to request & confirm your “appearance” on this SPECIAL EDITION of “Ramble & Rumble with Rabbi,” hosted by Rabbi Eukel. We have contacted Les Morris, Manager of Corporate Public Relations for Simon Property Group, and many of the co-organizers of the ATLANTA TEA PARTY PATRIOTS rally. Lawyers and journalists have been invited. “Let’s Rumble with Rabbi” my American Patriots. Confmed Guests at this hour: Debbie Dooley, Julianne Thompson, John Putnam, Andrea Plunkett, Cris Kurtz, Gina Loudon, Jim Galloway and host Rabbi DF Eukel. Others who may yet confirm are being worked to confirm before we go live.


June 25th, 2009
12:07 pm

I’m not from Georgia and may just be ignorant about how things work in Georgia. Still…

I fully support the liberty movement, tea party demonstrations, etc. But part of liberty is the owner’s right to use his property as he chooses. You wouldn’t allow a group of Obama lovers to be rallying for Cap and Trade or gov’t healthcare on your property. So to get this upset because a liberal doesn’t allow you to picket big government on his property is duplicitous. It seems to me that planning a tea party demonstration on private property, particularly property owned by liberals, demonstrates that someone really didn’t do their homework.

If you want to be mad at Simon Properties because they’re big Obama supporters, knock your socks off. But to be furious because they didn’t want people with whom they disagree picketing on their property, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree.

I suggest using property that you have all paid for… like city hall. That’s where I’ll be in my area on July 4th.

Good luck wherever you end up! I’ll be with you in spirit!


June 25th, 2009
12:19 pm

Watch Julianne Thompson on Fox News Glenn Beck show for “breaking news” regarding this issue. We just found this out today…


June 25th, 2009
12:22 pm

Mikefive, you are way off target and obviously have not read all the details. We were NOT having the protest on Simon Mall property. It was PRIVATE property adjacent to property they owned.

I would advise you watch the Glenn Beck show at 5:40pm for even more news on this.


June 25th, 2009
1:57 pm

Simon is excercising the kind of capitalist vs. working class power move that justifies his liberal ideology.Not surprising, really. One of the most consistent traits of big government liberalism is its elitist “for thee but not for me” attitude. Sure he is staying within the lines of the law, but he is also using power that the public does not have access to. In doing so, he is proving himself right, because this sort of naked classism is obviously unfair.
Dig beneath the faux concern of liberalism and all you are left with is paternalism. In his own mind Simon isn’t stiffling free speech, he is outmanuevering stupid people who shouldn’t be talking. When he dumps money on candidates he is not using his wealth to wield undue influence, he’s making sure that power is in the hands of those who think rightly.
All of this would be wrong if he were advocating bad ideas. But he is Simon. Only other people can be wrong, or unfair, or exploitative. In fact, he has dedicated himself to stopping those other people. What a great man!

Mary Rue

June 25th, 2009
2:49 pm

In light of what is happening in Iran, I find it ironic, but mostly just sad, that a powerful corporation can shut down a lawful, peaceful assembly of citizens who want nothing more than to have their voices heard by their government. Disgusting.


June 25th, 2009
6:43 pm

There is plenty of time for each person to decide where to demonstrate July 4th. All politics IS local so…… going to the nearest city hall ain’t such a bad idea. The Mainstream Media will be careful and NOT emphasize that 20.000 is a huge turnout – - in contrast with what they did with their schtick of the “Million Man March.” So unless you yearn for a big “block party” to feed your own ego, I suggest we spread out to more locations. (Plenty of other sites are not being shut down.)

Also these liberals believe a top-of-the-pyramid dude is running the show – - our strength lies in individual decisions and responsibility, in local judgment, and flexible response[like we happen to see in Iran at this very moment]

Demonstrations by lots of SMALLER groups in a hundred locations will get the word out to folks who live less than ten miles from our own homes. Depending on the MSM to get our message out is wishful thinking. MSM will mention the event only if it gets roudy; then they’ll use the film footage incessantly. Is that what we want?


June 25th, 2009
8:05 pm

We found out today that the agreement/covenant Simon referenced and used to stop the Tea Party expired in 2004. They did not have the authority whatsoever to stop the Tea Party but we did not realize it until today…

Concerned in Nova

June 25th, 2009
11:54 pm

I just heard of this a little while ago. To the organizers of the Atlanta Tea Party, I join my fellow conservatives across America in expressing outrage at the forced cancellation of your event.

I just looked up Simon Property Group’s properties in the Washington, DC area. I will not shop at Potomac Mills Mall, the Fashion Center at Pentagon City, Fairfax Court, Lakeforest Mall, and St. Charles Towne Center and Plaza.

Melvin Simon and the Democrats may soon rue the day that Simon Property Group forced the cancellation of the Atlanta Tea Party. If enough people stop transacting business at Simon’s properties, he’s not going to have any money left to donate to the Democrats.

Jennifer Patton

June 26th, 2009
12:24 pm

Here’s an easy answer: shoppers need to boycott Simon malls in Atlanta. Gwinnett County is overwhelming Republican and voters should respond with their wallets.


June 26th, 2009
2:59 pm

I hope this fuels the fire for Tea Party protesters. You all must be doing something right if the libs are trying to pull the rug out from under your venue at the 11th hour. GO ATL!


June 27th, 2009
8:40 am

The crooks that make up the democrat party are going to do everything in their power to shut down dissent. We now have Chicago politics in Washington and it is infecting the entire country and my beloved South. Voters, remember this in 2010 and 2012!!


June 27th, 2009
8:59 am