U.S. Justice Department rejects Georgia voter screening
Update in bold below, at 5:25 p.m.
The U.S. Justice Department has rejected a program put together by Secretary of State Karen Handel to comb through state databases to detect ineligible voters who may not be U.S. citizens, calling it both inaccurate and discriminatory.
The system was used last year, in the months before the 2008 general election.
Download the DOJ letter here. It says, in part:
We have considered the accuracy of the state’s verification process. Our analysis shows that the state’s process does not produce accurate and reliable information and that thousands of citizens who are in fact eligible to vote under Georgia law have been flagged….
An error as simple as transposition of one digit of a driver[s] license can lead to an erroneous notation of a non-match…..
….Although the state has not provided data on the racial and language minority characteristics of all registrants whose applications went through the verification process, we have been able to compare the composition of those persons whom the state has flagged for further inquiry because of a non-match with both the composition of newly registered voters in the state and the composition of existing registered voters….
[A]pplicants who are Hispanic, Asian or African-American are more likely than white applicants, to statistically significant degrees, to be flagged for additional scrutiny….
The Justice Department declined to share the stats that it said proved discrimination. “Internal deliberations and discussions regarding charging decisions are not something we can provide,” a spokesman said.
Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican candidate for governor, condemned the decision in a statement released this morning, saying it would open the floodgates to non-qualified voters. Handel also said the DOJ was a participant in the decision-making process that produced the program:
The decision by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) to deny preclearance of Georgia’s already implemented citizenship verification process shows a shocking disregard for the integrity of our elections.
With this decision, DOJ has now barred Georgia from continuing the citizenship verification program that DOJ lawyers helped to craft. DOJ’s decision also nullifies the orders of two federal courts directing Georgia to implement the procedure for the 2008 general election.
The decision comes seven months after Georgia requested an expedited review of the preclearance submission.
DOJ has thrown open the door for activist organizations such as ACORN to register non-citizens to vote in Georgia’s elections, and the state has no ability to verify an applicant’s citizenship status or whether the individual even exists…. Clearly, politics took priority over common sense and good public policy.
Pay attention to this. This is the first Obama administration judgment on an election law passed by a Republican-dominated General Assembly.
It could be an indication of how the Justice Department will react to S.B. 86, a measure signed by Gov. Sonny Perdue last month which would require every new voter to present proof of citizenship upon registration.
Nor are all Republicans united on this. Randy Evans, the Republican appointee to the State Elections Board, called the screening program a “terrible waste of taxpayer dollars and a slap in the face of Latino voters.”
“And yes, I know this is the requested approval from the DOJ from the case from last year — in advance of the new legislation that is the SoS codification of the compromise ruling. But from the DOJ perspective, they are one and the same,” he wrote in one of two e-mails this afternoon.
The U.S. Supreme Court is currently considering arguments on the constitutionality of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which requires federal approval of all changes to election law in Georgia and several other states with a history of discrimination.
U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a Republican from Sharpsburg who has been critical of Georgia’s continued inclusion in the mandates of the Voting Rights Act, added the following this afternoon:
“Justice’s ruling in this case is so transparently political that I’d hate to be the person at the department who had to put the right spin on this junk.
This goes to the heart of what I’ve been trying to say about the problem with ‘preclearance’: It creates a self-justifying cycle.
Georgia works with the federal government on a plan, we submit the plan to those exact same people, and they then ‘discover’ some violation of civil rights and use that as evidence that Georgia still requires federal oversight. It’s infuriating.
Jon Greenbaum is legal director for Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, one of several groups that opposed the screening:
“We are pleased that the Department of Justice correctly found that Secretary Handel’s verification procedures are inaccurate and discriminatory. Preventing these procedures from going into effect will prevent Secretary Handel from keeping many thousands of eligible Georgia voters off the rolls,” he said.
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260 comments Add your comment
Lucas
June 1st, 2009
9:49 am
The screening doesn’t work, anyway. It’s a hassle, and a waste of time at best. Much worse, at worst.
The Amazing GodHatesTrash
June 1st, 2009
10:10 am
The Georgia GOP. Some of the worst politicians that money can buy.
ByteMe
June 1st, 2009
10:10 am
Karen Handel thinks seceding is a good option. She’s turned herself from a bland and trustworthy technocrat into a Republican. Send the pander-bear back home.
SpaceyG
June 1st, 2009
10:11 am
Like a dog with a bone she is on this matter, eh? Imagine if Handel expended all that giant mass of “there MAY be some bad voters lurking out there” energy on stuff like actually helping Georgians?
John R
June 1st, 2009
10:19 am
Duh… is this the same justice department that sees no need to prevent uniformed black panthers from intimidating voters at a polling place??
Charlie
June 1st, 2009
10:22 am
The DOJ has rocketed Karen Handel straight into the governorship with this stunt.
Normal
June 1st, 2009
10:22 am
SpaceyG, I like your thinking, but she will never to the correct
thing, only the “Right” thing.
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John R, I hadn’t hear of this, where did it happen?
The Snark
June 1st, 2009
10:29 am
So, Karen … where exactly is this horde hiding? You know, the people ineligible to vote who are waiting for the secret signal to rush out and stand in line two hours to cast a ballot?
mrs.w
June 1st, 2009
10:30 am
what uniformed black panthers and where?
Redneck
June 1st, 2009
10:31 am
Normal, it happened in Philadelphia, Pa.. You can get the full details if you do a google search.
I don’t care whether there is actual voter fraud proved or not still think that a person should have to provide picture ID before voting. I have to provide one before I am allowed to get on board a airplane!
gatorman770
June 1st, 2009
10:32 am
Obamas DOJ will find no problems with ACORNs widespread voter fraud either. If this continues this administration will soon be known as the most corrupt in the history of the US.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
10:33 am
The Obama Admin, DOJ and Acorn all in cahoots together. If these Dems continue having their way the Chinese will be casting votes in the next election…even ole dead Mao Tse Tung may have a voice.
Sniff…I also smell that piece of trash USELESS LOWERY in this mish mash.
Mike
June 1st, 2009
10:35 am
The South has a long history of trying to keep people from the polls; nothing new. Scared illegal immigrants don’t show up at the polls; it’s only LEGAL minorities bad Republicans (a.k.a. not my kind of REAL Republicans) want to keep form voting. Democracy is good for them as long as they get their way. If you did not vote for Obama, shut up for the next 8 years. We had to do so under the Bush Regime. It’s called the power pendulum.
jim feely
June 1st, 2009
10:35 am
just the beginning of things tocome from the black AG who himself is tainted. Who can prosecute the U.S. Att General, since this corrupt and prejudiced moron willeventually be under investigation. his bias evolves from he and Clinton’s tainted pardons.
has anyone run acredit checkon this slug?
SteveO
June 1st, 2009
10:36 am
Dear Karen,
The DOJ is not disagreeing with the idea of voter screening, just with your shoddy implementation. You should be taking this situation to re-examine the workings of your system. However, since this is Georgia, you can always blame the Feds for your own shoddy work. Congratulations! I expect you’ll easily win the rube vote in the next gubernatorial election.
Ron
June 1st, 2009
10:37 am
Does the DOJ’s letter trump actual court rulings?
And the ones that have not heard of the Black Panthers being at the polling place QUIT WATCHING THE LIBERAL MEDIA AND LEARN SOMETHING FOR YOURSELVES.
Howard
June 1st, 2009
10:38 am
Soon be known as the most corrupt in history?? they already are…this man is nothing more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It took Carter 4 years to ruin things…Obama will do it in 6 months. How’s hope and change working for all the suckers who voted for this inexperienced, overmatched, far left idealogue??? He’s like a turtle on a fence post…that turtle had no business being there, he didn’t get there on his own…and once up on the post, that turtle didn’t know what the hell to do!!! And evidently some clueless moron put him there!!!
Robert H. Tweedell
June 1st, 2009
10:39 am
Whatever happened to States Rights. I guess the Communist Party, Democrats, can’t deal with reality.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
10:41 am
Where were you folks on election day. The news broadcasts were showing these Black Pansies at the actual polling place…one with baseball bat in hand.
Turd Ferguson
June 1st, 2009
10:41 am
Why would the Supreme Court have a problem with requireing everyone to prove they are a citizen in order to vote? Is that really a big deal? What’s even better, let’s make everyone pass a citizenship test before they vote…EVERYONE!
lovelyliz
June 1st, 2009
10:42 am
And some folks wonder why Section 5 is needed?!?!?!?!
Lay-Z
June 1st, 2009
10:43 am
Enter your comments here
Lay-Z
June 1st, 2009
10:45 am
Dis rekwirmints for votin id is a skam. Weeezy know bettah an weez b muvin up to da witehowse.
Crazee cool bloods…YO HOME BOYS!!
Ron
June 1st, 2009
10:45 am
AMEN Turd Ferguson. If there is no fraud going on then prove your citizenship. Oh wait, why should the voters prove their citizenship when the one’s being elected feel no need to do so.
Outhouse
June 1st, 2009
10:46 am
And refresh my memory…didn’t Obama and Holder just drop the charges against the Black Panther Jack boots who were charged in Philadelphia with intimidating voters while standing in the doors of the polls, oh yeah they were also carrying billy clubs. I guess that alright…
States Rights
June 1st, 2009
10:46 am
I am retiring in another 5 months and I already have my land bought in Ireland….this country will NOT survive 4 years of this administration. If you are not apalled at what has been going on you have not been paying attention.
Tman
June 1st, 2009
10:47 am
Verification is needed but did you folks miss the part when it said that minorities are more likley to be flagged. Something is wrong in the system when we are still practicing this kind of stuff. How can you support something that labels individuals by color. The Old South never dies. No wonder the FEDS have to keep their nose in our business. We can’t find a way to do the right thing.
Lay-Z
June 1st, 2009
10:48 am
Jodie Foster b my new home girl…YO boyz come git sum ya rump rangers.
Just Nasty & Mean
June 1st, 2009
10:48 am
The problem here is the DOJ is doing Obama’s bidding, creating new and illegal ways for his cohorts from ACORN to register every illegal alien they can find to vote for him and his minions.
Along with strengthening the unions, dumbing down the electorate (see his Wash. DC decision), funding the mind-numbed robots from ACORN with Billions of our tax dollars—this decision is just another cog in the machine to Marxism.
All you blank-headed meatheads that voted for Obama—YOUR VOTE JUST GOT DILUTED by ineligible, illegal and unqualified voters..
Congratulations!
Normal
June 1st, 2009
10:49 am
Red Neck,
Thanks for the information, I’ll look it up and I agree that a picture
ID be required. It only makes sense to me.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
10:50 am
I guess then the minorties need to get on board with the programs then. I think it might be very interesting to investigate WHY MINORITIES are being flagged more so than “they are being flagged.”
Lets find the answer there then make corrections.
Ron
June 1st, 2009
10:51 am
I only have one thing to say RUN ROY RUN, Mr. Barnes please enter the Governor’s race.
Soon to be Dr.
June 1st, 2009
10:52 am
Secretary of State with a High school degree Handle.
I am sure if you could have handled some college courses you would have the talent to implemented this program fairly.
No one wants illegals voting and we do not want your Jim Crow Tactics either Handle.
It is amazing that these Obama-right-wings do not understand that Obama is in the Executive branch of government and has nothing to do with this….
next thing Obama is responsible for global warming….. ohh I forgot right wing does not believe in global warming. (like we never had an ice age!!)
Jack booted thug
June 1st, 2009
10:53 am
All of ya KMA. We gun be nex times at duh vote boofs wif stix an dey gone be votin likes we b sayin. Git in line foe an ass-woopin.
Harvey
June 1st, 2009
10:53 am
It time someone let the racism Republicans know that they can’t go back to Lester Maddox days. Just think if Karen is elected governor of Georgia, it will be Lester Maddox all over again she thinks, the south will not ride again in the same manor it did in it’s so call glory days. Next she will be saying “This is what god’s want. Georgian it’s time we started to talk back the state from the racism republicans.
Bill Turner
June 1st, 2009
10:53 am
O(ne)
B(ig)
A(wful)
M(istake)
A(merica)
James
June 1st, 2009
10:54 am
Yeah…you like the system just fine until old Karen decides that your last name sounds like it could belong to an illegal alien and runs your driver’s license through the system, punching in wrong numbers along the way, keeping you from voting.
Karen Handel’s shoddy workmanship will clearly carry over to the Governor’s mansion if we elect her…so let’s not elect her please!
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
10:56 am
Ms Handel would make a fine Govenor. I think I might vote for her just out of plain spite for the Dems. Much like the Dems did for that lying SOS Obama.
AH
June 1st, 2009
10:57 am
So if you don’t like the law and someone arbitrarily changes it that’s ok with you? Personally I like it when you have to go through proper channels to change/correct laws it gives me a sense that we are actually following some sort of civilized law not just mob rule.
jabster
June 1st, 2009
10:59 am
This is about stupid. All this verification scheme does is match voter rolls with driver’s license databases and social security databases, and flag a voter to provide more information if there’s not a match. Where is the discrimination?
Incidentally, this driver’s license and SSN database verification process is a FEDERAL requirement under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). So, now we have the DOJ saying that Georgia’s compliance under HAVA (i.e., compliance with Federal law) is discriminatory.
If anything, this is a textbook example of why Section 5 is obsolete and needs to go.
And Mike, I’m only going to get louder under PBO.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
11:01 am
All of this hand wringing over voter fraud and illegals voting mystifies me. Can anyone show any proof that such things are happening in this state or is this another example of the racism that seems to be so endemic to the GOP that they are unable to see the perception of their actions.
Koz
June 1st, 2009
11:02 am
I hated Obama before it was cool
Stu Bioge
June 1st, 2009
11:02 am
Why can’t we just trust that people will be who they say that they are and only vote once. Why not just put voting kiosks in the mall, then we could vote whenever we needed to without anyone bothering to check our ID. That old system, which allowed a utility bill to substitute for ID, was way too restrictive. I mean, really, I should be free from that type of governmental harassment!
jabster
June 1st, 2009
11:03 am
Harvey: Before you drag Lester Maddox through the mud, keep in mind that he integrated the State Patrol and forbade them from using the N-word, and hired more blacks to state government than all his predecessors combined, among many other things.
bones thugs & harmony
June 1st, 2009
11:05 am
Awl u mutha’s best step in line wif DOJ cuz dey be right-on, homie my man say ouch win dey b cuttin off his wahta but it dun mattah cuz duh votin boof b da =lizer like drinkin dat fine wine bull of duh woods.
So y’all sho up on votin day and I crack uh empty bottle ova ya heads din sinz yahome to paw paw cryin like a little girlsz and punksboys.
Ben dovah an show me some reaspeks.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
11:05 am
Oh, and not anecdotes like “I was at the poles and saw a whole bunch of Mexicans and blacks voting and I didn’t like it!” I’d like some verified proof that such things have happened IN THIS STATE.
clyde
June 1st, 2009
11:05 am
Karen Handel wasn’t on the up and up? That’s not news.She did what she was paid to do.
Bob
June 1st, 2009
11:06 am
I had no problems voting last election. Why is everyone saying it’s a hassle? If someone’s ID numbers don’t match shouldn’t that be a red flag? I don’t see why people are against voter identification. I don’t want my vote to compete with fake voters.
EW
June 1st, 2009
11:07 am
Somebodies got to say it…
How is it wrong that more minorities are going to be flagged when the majority of those that have committed voter fraud are minorities or pose as minorities? Racism is wrong but damn, that’s not racism that’s just common freakin sense.
Tom
June 1st, 2009
11:07 am
I think there are better ways to screen during elections. The south has a history around the world for not getting it right.Where were you black Panther haters when the KKK was throwing rocks at Hosea Williams in Forsyth County?
Stu Bioge
June 1st, 2009
11:07 am
polls not poles
Stu Bioge
June 1st, 2009
11:08 am
somebody’s not somebodies
Really?
June 1st, 2009
11:11 am
Wow!!! I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and found myself in China. Voting in the USA, in case anyone cares is an AMERICAN CITIZENS right. Tell me how, verifying a residents status is a violation of their rights. The intention is not to prevent voting, it is to prevent illegal voting.
As for the Obama nation supporters…. You got exactly what was promised, an ultra liberal that believes that big government fixes all problems and will make everything fair. For anyone who believes this BS, please look around on your way home. The bigger government gets, the less efficient it becomes and problems spin out of control. But sleep well young people, our president will fix everything even if he has to bankrupt us to do it. Let the vote buying begin!!!
Koz
June 1st, 2009
11:11 am
Uh-oh the undercover Grammar police are here
EW
June 1st, 2009
11:13 am
Stu, I hope you are a grammar teacher on summer break and bored out of your mind. Otherwise, get a hobby.
CM
June 1st, 2009
11:13 am
Karen Handel gets on the defensive so easily. It surely does lead to the conclusion that she is far from the forthright thoughtful person she has pretensions to.
Karen, get a new photo … one showing you as the shrew you are.
GPO – stop playing party politics and insisting that only Democrats cheat and lie at the ballot box. If you’d fix absentee balloting, I could live with some of your inane requirements for voter id. You haven’t the courage to do that since much of your base votes absentee.
Tsh-tsh.
JJ
June 1st, 2009
11:14 am
Well, unless this is an ACORN conspiracy, you won’t be seeing this story covered on FOXnews…
middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :
June 1st, 2009
11:17 am
Strangely the only people and organizations trying to stem the nonexistent and nondocumented voting by unregistered and noneligible voters are Republicans. Where are the cases and numbers and prosecutions that should drive such initiatives and laws? How many little old ladies and gentlemen without driver’s licenses tried to vote illegally or multiple times? How many illegal aliens are trying to get past the League of Women Voters poll workers? Once upon a time only white, male, land owners of certain property levels, could vote. Does Ms. Handel want to go back to those days, not so far past, but slip in white women of the same status? I am one of those children of the sixties who marched for voter rights and wanted people of color and less than upper middle class status to vote next to me. We are so much better off for those changes why would we want to limit people, especially when the attempt is to keep Georgia voting Republican? Maybe the politicians should focus on serving all the constituents. If they truly serve us as they promise and vow their reelections would be assured. If the Republican Party truly served all of us they would still be in power in DC. There’s a lot more to Georgia than Cobb County and Alpharetta.
Eddie Murphy
June 1st, 2009
11:17 am
Uh huh…During the 80’s I sang on a great album produced by Rick James and you fools wouldnt buy it. Remember “My girl likes to party all the time”? One of the greatest songs ever written/One of the greatest songs ever sang and you jackasses left me hanging.
Well now, with obama being Pres, its PAYBACK TIME!
“My girl like to party all the time,
party all the time, party all the time”
Sing it fools!
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
11:17 am
It’s about time. Juan Crow has to go.
The Amazing GodHatesTrash
June 1st, 2009
11:17 am
Maddox was racist trash. Of course, many Georgians still adore him.
Trash loves trash.
H.S. Coach
June 1st, 2009
11:19 am
There’s some good comedy on this board. Everyone is quick to point out each others faults and they can do no wrong.
Jay Dubbe
June 1st, 2009
11:19 am
Is it not blatantly obvious to everyone? Republicans try to thwart voter fraud, Democrats live by it. Democrats accuse Republicans of voter fraud, but never have any tangible evidence to back it up. Evidence that supports the Republican’s claim of Democrat voter fraud is in the national news…frequently.
Face it Democrats, you know you’re the real criminals.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
11:20 am
Well normally the media doesnt report these issues of voter fraud because it is commited by minorities, case in point Cynthia McKinney, and to do so would bring out Jesse, Al, Useless LOWEY, screaming discrimination. And if FOX mentions it then the minorities just down play an discount it as discrimination.
There is your answer.
The Amazing GodHatesTrash
June 1st, 2009
11:20 am
Karen “Axe” Handel – the lovechild of Lester Maddox and Willie B., and almost as dumb as an Oxendine.
franko
June 1st, 2009
11:23 am
In the last election, dead people voted and it is documented by one of the local news organization in Atlanta. ACORN is notorious for voter fraud, which is why they wanted people to register and vote the same day. Now this fool in office want the same people to help with the census.
Democrats= devils, evil, morons, obnoxious,corrupt,repulsive,abortionist , thieves, scumbags.
States Rights
June 1st, 2009
11:30 am
Would you people, right and left, be making these statements if you used your real name and were held accountable for what you wrote????? NO….I didn’t think so.
Concerned Southerner
June 1st, 2009
11:31 am
Carpetbaggers and Scallywags are the cause of all of this!
Really?
June 1st, 2009
11:34 am
I was raised by good democrats to be a good democrat. I went on to get a higher education at my own expense. Eventually I looked around and realized that it was all a con. Democrats don’t care about anyone but themselves. Sure they will point out from there teleprompter all the good people that benefit from this plan or that plan, but nobody points out who is going to pay for it. Everybody is quick to point out how bad OLD GEORGIA was when it comes to voting rights. Let’s remember that it was ruled by those very Democrats that wanted to keep their power. Wow amazing how some things never change.
Tired
June 1st, 2009
11:37 am
All American voters should show up at the polls and be prepaired to be fingerprinted and show a valid voter ID card and a picture ID. I have nothing to hide when voting and any registered voter should not either. I am sick of dead people voting, sick of the double voting, sick of the fake names voting and I am really sick of the illegals voting.
American voters should have no problem getting finger printed to validate their citizenship and that should be nation wide. If they dont get validated in time well then thats their problem. They had plenty of time. Then the elections in this country would be fair and no recounts would be needed.
Also the military has a right to be counted. Seems like hundreds of military did not get to vote this election. I really have to wonder what that was all about?
Really?
June 1st, 2009
11:38 am
Thank you Tired. At least somebody gets it.
ray
June 1st, 2009
11:39 am
Hopefully now, more Georgians will wake up and see that secession ain’t such a silly idea afterward. If the Obamericans keep sticking their noses in our business, we’ll have no choice. At least if we governed ourselves, we’d be able to kick out all those who don’t look the right way and therefore don’t belong here, and surely keep them from electing our leaders. If we hadn’t been vigilant in the past, we couldn’t have elected such a great leader as Sonny, and such a great senator as Saxby.
TSWRA
jconservative
June 1st, 2009
11:39 am
Change the law on voting – do away with registering to vote – on election day let anyone who happens to walk into the polling place vote – then dip their right index finger in purple ink so they cannot vote again. Anyone in this country is spending money and paying taxes – let them vote.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
11:40 am
franko,
You have provided nothing more than the sort of anecdotal evidence that I spoke of in my second post. What I asked for is some verifiable proof that a problem actually exists IN THIS STATE.
I would point out that in the NYT in a September 20, 2006 article 2 election officials from Georgia admitted that they had not, in their entire careers, encountered a single case of voter fraud based on a person posing as someone else at the polls. Now I realize that this does not address the illegal issue but it is an example of politicians whipping up the base to “solve” a “problem” that doesn’t exist in order to further their political aims rather than working on real solutions to real problems facing Georgians.
If this is a real problem there must be some proof of its existence that goes beyond “I read it one day in the paper” or “I saw it one day at the poll.”
So…………Try again.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
11:41 am
Kinda funny all these Obamaniacs I would venture are the majority of those losing jobs, homes, cars etc…especially those in Detroit.
Too bad.
So sad.
*POOT*
Need more than a HS diploma, baby!
June 1st, 2009
11:43 am
Do you really expect this tart and her high school diploma to use logic and resoning to understand what the problem is? Would I expect the equally poor educated Republicans to understand either?
PMC
June 1st, 2009
11:45 am
Awesome, so we don’t give a crap if you are eligible or inteligent enough to actually make a decision…. just have a freaking pulse and you can vote. Fantastic.
A McCommon
June 1st, 2009
11:46 am
And yet the funny thing is, Hispanics tend to vote Republican.
Besides, this is not an attempt to keep Georgia from verifying. They’re just saying the way GA is doing it now is discriminatory and ineffective. So pick another way.
GA Citizen
June 1st, 2009
11:46 am
Karen isn’t the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Can’t the Republicans at least find somebody with a college degree to run for governor?
PMC
June 1st, 2009
11:47 am
How is it discriminatory to make people who somehow found a way to make it to the voting box… find a way to get a freaking FREE picture identification?
Tracie
June 1st, 2009
11:47 am
It is time for all Amerians to go to the voters booth and vote every member of the house out. They have overstayed their welcome and the committment to the American Citizens.
WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO SPEAK AS ONE. Not as what they want us to be. Government works for us, not the other way around and its high time we show them that WE THE PEOPLE
Rex
June 1st, 2009
11:48 am
What an illogical and stupid decison by the The U.S. Justice Department ! I don’t want my vote cancelled out by a who should not even be in this country ! Dems are known for (and it has been proven time & time again) registering and taking ineligible voters to the polls…This is a sound logical and quite frankly long overdue idea that should be implemented in every state. DOJ is quite simply afraid of the Liberal Media and Political Correctness ( and maybe Obama too ) Disgusting stomach-turning ruling by the DOJ !
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
11:51 am
There are some Americans, myself included, who are unwilling to relinquish my civil rights to appease a political party. A refusal to play along with your nonsensical games of does not mean that I have something to hide. It means that my Grandfather and Father fought, and I served, to guarantee that my children and I could live in a free society where rights were inalienable, not subject to the political whims of a political party.
As for Tired’s statement “I am sick of dead people voting, sick of the double voting, sick of the fake names voting and I am really sick of the illegals voting” I ask again, where in Georgia has this happened in say the last 20 years. I asked this question at 11:00 am and still have not seen an answer.
Does this problem exist anywhere outside the petrified minds of people like Tired?
Matilda
June 1st, 2009
11:52 am
Tired, your lack of stamina is very sad indeed. That you can be SOOOOO TIRED (**poor wittow baby!**) from something that barely exists, if at all, of which you likely have never actually seen in person, nor of which you can provide actual documentation proving this is a problem affecting anything but your own poor, sad, flagging, sagging energy level, is TRAGIC, I tell you. TRAGIC!
Sounds like you need a vacation, some vitamin supplements, a nutritionist, and a good personal trainer to get you out of your whining, weakling, always-a-victim mindset. Good luck! We’re all pulling for you!!!
d
June 1st, 2009
11:53 am
The system is indeed flawed. I worked at the polls last year and had voters bring me their birth certificates and passports and the only thing I could do was send them to the county office to get the situation cleared and then come back to the poll to actually vote, or if I could not get a hold of the county office, let them vote provisional and then they still had to go to the county office. It was a hassle to the voter and an embarrasment to me.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
11:54 am
Rex,
You said “Dems are known for (and it has been proven time & time again) registering and taking ineligible voters to the polls…” Can you offer any verifiable proof at all that this has happened in Georgia?
d
June 1st, 2009
11:55 am
Also, I am very concerned about how political Ms. Handel is in the office she is in. The Secretary of State should not be a political position. It taints the neutrality of her office when she comes out in this manner. It is truly a shame.
American First
June 1st, 2009
11:55 am
How about this. The social security office is one that you cant fake out. Anyone can vote, but you must key in your social security number and your drivers license or id number while voting. If your social is not validated as a citizen, then your vote is kicked out. No recounts there either and nobody is turned away.
I mean come on, who wont fix a social security problem right? We are tracked anyway for out taxes so what makes the difference if we use the ss# as a way to validate our vote.
Northern Voice
June 1st, 2009
11:56 am
I have never seen such a racist group of ignorant southerners in my life – the crap you all think of is so far out in left field, it’s amazing any of you made it past birth!! You’ll find fault and criticism with anything pertaining to a black person just to hear your dumba.. heads roar – what a bunch of jacka..es!!
Chadrow
June 1st, 2009
11:57 am
Pure comedy…no matter the blog it will always end with the same rhetoric. The love of many waxed cold long ago. Sad.
Chadrow
June 1st, 2009
12:03 pm
Correction…false rhetoric.
Justice for all
June 1st, 2009
12:04 pm
I dont get some of you. Only American Citizens are given the right to vote. All across America this last election there was fraud, military voters not getting counted, Acorn was all over the place. Georgia is a state that has tons of illegals and they have no right to vote. People have plenty of time to validate their voter registration but they choose to wait till the last minute. I deem that their fault.
As far as the post for TIRED. I too am tired. Tired of waking up every day to do a job to support myself and my family, only having the government take half of it to support the illegals, welfare bums and anyone else that thinks the government owes them a living. This is my money and its high time I get to keep the majority of it.
By the way the government taxed my bonus at 60%. Thats more then half and for what. Oh yea, their Bailing out of GM, Chrysler, Main Street and Freddy and Fannie. Yea, real government thought behind all that. The government makes the problems then they have to fix it. Why not ban together as Americans and we will fix the real problem.
GOVERNMENT.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
12:06 pm
And Justice for All:
So is your solution no more Government or a Government that is more to your liking?
No Nonsense
June 1st, 2009
12:11 pm
SAT question: Obama is to the Department of Justice, as Bush was to the Supreme Court (stress WAS). j/k
Anyway, I think, I think in this day and age all adult U.S. citizens should have some form of photo identification and ready access to get one. After all, no one in this country has much of a problem getting coffee when they want it, be it at Starbucks or the grocery store. If only government would be as zealous about the interest of its constituents as businesses are about their customers…
Ron
June 1st, 2009
12:13 pm
FC Crusher – Could it be that voter fraud in GA has not happened due to the proactive requirements that have been put into place? Other states that have less stringent requirements have had documented voter fraud take place. Do we want to open the doors to allow it to happen or do we want to prevent?
Why would we want to allow illiegal immigrants the oppurantunity to vote?
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
12:14 pm
Crusher is just a race baiter…no more no less.
Look everyone has just over 3.5 years to get their credentials in order for the next Prez election…is that too much to ask? I think not.
vuduchld
June 1st, 2009
12:17 pm
Some of the comments on here are totally laughable! To keep mentioning ACORN at this juncture tells of an electorate that is completely out of touch with reality. On election day I went to the polls with Ga drivers license in hand and had NO PROBLEMS showing that I was a citizen of this state (I live downtown!). The state has an unemployment rate of almost 10 per cent and this all this bimbo has to worry about is so-called “hordes of fraudulent” people lining up to vote!? Is this dumb chick that clueless and stupid.
And for all you other ne’er-do-wells slithering on this site, where were you when minorities were ACTUALLY being denied the right to vote. And if the Black Panthers were at some of these polling places then whose fault is that!? You idiots need to get a grip, there is MINIMAL voter fraud in the process and if there is any, look in the mirror because in all likelihood, YOU’RE the ones committing the fraud.
People voted clowns like you out on November 4 because you idiots did not do your jobs, plain and simple. If the citizens of Georgia have any sense this time around, the bimbo, Karen Handel and other idiots like her will be shown the door – END OF STORY!!
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
12:22 pm
I was in kindergarten when minorities were denied the right to vote. Where were you Ms Diva/duduchld.
Mark
June 1st, 2009
12:23 pm
While voting, like speech and gun ownership, is a freedom and right of the American people, it does not come without restrictions.
You cannot shout “FIRE” in a crowded theater. You cannot spew slander or libel. You cannot just go to a store and purchase any firearm without background checks. You cannot own certain weapons. The list can go on and on.
In that same breath, voting is not an unrestricted action. All citizens that are legally eligible to vote should be allowed. They should, however, be able and willing to prove their eligibility.
Eddie Murphy
June 1st, 2009
12:25 pm
“My Girl likes to Party all the time
Party all the time
Party all the time
My Girl likes to party all the time
Paarrtty aaalll the tiiime.”
Sing it Fools or ya gonna get 4 more years of Obama.
Matilda
June 1st, 2009
12:27 pm
Justice for all, I’m with you on the right to vote being for citizens only! I find it hard to believe the supposition, however, that people who are here illegally will risk being exposed and deported by fraudulently registering or standing in line four hours to vote. Yes, the registration process SHOULD verify eligibility, but Ms. Handel’s plan was deemed ineffective (and partisan it would seem if anyone remembers Katharine Harris.)Stripping eligible voters from their sacred right on voting day is an egregious abuse of power! Can YOU agree with THAT?
As for being tired of working to support illegals, that’s completely understandable. Why don’t you insist that your representatives pressure the authorities to actually ENFORCE our current laws? Your anger at the immigrants is a TOTALLY separate issue! Unless you believe that illegal immigrants fraudulently elected the REPUBLICANS who hold nearly all the power in this state — the Republicans who don’t appear to be deporting their landscaping crews with any speed. I suggest you write your representatives more often.
Craig
June 1st, 2009
12:30 pm
Georgia voter fraud: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Georgia_vote_fraud
stevew
June 1st, 2009
12:37 pm
If the state of Georgia is willing to come to your home and provide you with a photo ID at no charge, then what is the problem, unless of course ACORN has just signed someone up who is illegal or dead? I have to have some kind of photo ID to get on a plane, renew my car tag, etc.. Sounds kinda like “Chicago Politics”–vote early and vote OFTEN..
John
June 1st, 2009
12:38 pm
People should be required to prove their identity? The government works for people, not the other way around. So many xenophobic Republicans who fear minorities forget that their solutions, such as requiring people to prove citizenship affirmatively before being registered to vote, result in our liberties being restricted one by one. Yes, requiring a citizen to prove to the government he can not vote (instead of the burden being on the government, heaven forbid) will move us one step closer to national IDs. (Everyone have their passport?) Let the government, with its money and power, carry the burdens of proof rather than ordinary citizens.
Rick in Grayson
June 1st, 2009
12:38 pm
Only US citizens are allowed to vote in state and federal elections. Voters should be required to provide proof that they are US citizens. Neither drivers licenses or local utility bills are proof of US citizenship. Where’s the problem?
If not, why not adopt the American Idol method of voting? You can call in or send a text message. Vote early and often as emphasized by the Democrats! If the US charges for each vote, we might even put a dent in our tremendous national deficit!
Cindy
June 1st, 2009
12:38 pm
Glad to see we are ridding this country of useless, unwanted neocons. I doubt foreign countries want them either, but at least they won’t be voting there or trying to force their narrow mindedness on the governments. Obama will never harm this country as much as bushie and his boys.
Tank
June 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
Please overlook the stupidity. Turd Furgeson only graduate from kindergarten
RaceCop
June 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
It is racist and discriminatory to attempt to prevent illegal’s from voting in elections that are only from US citizens that are leagally registered to vote.
Voter
June 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
THANK YOU, DOJ!!!!!! Republicans and their manipulative, un-American, un-Constitutional attempts to deny Georgians their right to vote are on the way OUT.
stevew
June 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
MATILDA; Where in the Constitution does it give anyone the “Sacred” right to vote? Remember, this country is a Republic, not a democracy..
ScottM
June 1st, 2009
12:43 pm
Bravo DOJ. A good decision that empirically confirms that this state still has a long way to go. Xenophobic and racist Georgians, you lost in 2008, you continue to lose, and the statistics don’t look good for your future.
Justice for all
June 1st, 2009
12:45 pm
Maybe having a government that abides by the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a good place to start.
Matilda
June 1st, 2009
12:47 pm
Steve, “sacred” was an adjective denoting my feelings because it’s something that’s important to me as a citizen of this country and registered voter. I’m sorry if you find my sentiments offensive.
If Handel’s attempt to garner Republican favor via the mass purging of voter rolls (ala KH, Fla 2000) results in me being turned away on election day, then yes, it WILL be your problem too, I promise.
Justice for all
June 1st, 2009
12:49 pm
Matilda – There is exactly four (4) years between elections. Voters that cant get property registered to vote in a 4 year time span dont deserve to be counted in the last minutes of an election. Maybe one can look at the voter and their lazy behavior and not so much the fault of the states they live in. After all, I personally think 4 years is ample time to get your voter registeration in order.
JAY
June 1st, 2009
12:52 pm
I really feel sorry for you people that have boiled down your worldview to “democrats do this, republicans do that”.
THEY’RE THE SAME THING, YOU MORONS! Each party takes turns in power upholding the interests of corporations that own them even at the detriment of your own interests, and blaming the other party the whole time.
VOTE THIRD PARTY!
Donna P.
June 1st, 2009
12:54 pm
Maybe Georgia should make EVERYONE who is registered to vote to re-register showing their birth certificates and some form of Georgia identification (i.e., driver’s license, utility bill, etc.). That way, there would be no charges of discrimination. I know it would cost money but in the end, we could be sure that our registered voters are actually American citizens. Maybe ACORN could give the Secretary of State some grant money to do this.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
12:55 pm
Matilda being turned away on voting day it will be a problem…eeeww, scary. K Harris did exactly as she should have. With the way in which those FL ballot cards were being handled the counts, recounts couldve continued forever, or atleast until the Dems got their way the ALL VOTE COUNTING MUST STOP, wouldve been the mantra.
The minorties in this Country are so much more biased and racist than the majorities I would venture to guess that should whites become the minority they would be afforded not many of the same opportunities ie Federal/State govt jobs. Now of course the minorities will deny same, however, fact is fact.
All you molly-coddlers, johnny milktoast and mealymouthers better wake up.
BFT
June 1st, 2009
12:58 pm
I can uunderstand to a degree that it might be inaccruate. The details in how it would be implemented or why it was considered to be inaccurate were not given unfortunately. However dems typically block attempts to verify the validity of a registered voter to vote. Now why that is can probably be easily figured out. My guess is S.B. 86 will find a similar fate. Far be it for this country to actually verify voters. Recall Saddam’s claim that 100% of the country voted for him in Iraq’s “free” elections. Eventually and relatively soon you’ll be seeing that same sort of thing in the US.
F. Derrick Hall
June 1st, 2009
12:58 pm
If you think either of the parties holds a monopoly on righteousness or evil, you are ignorant. Concur with Jay- aside from a few controversial non-issues to push the mouth-breathers’ buttons, Republicans and Democrats are the exact same thing. 2 sides of the same filthy, corrupt coin.
Donna P.
June 1st, 2009
12:59 pm
To Scott M., what do you mean “xenophobic and racist Georgians, you lost in 2008″? Perhaps you are referring to the fact the most Georgians voted against Obama (and we are proud of that fact). We voted against socialism and tax increases? We voted against government run everything? This is what makes America great, some of us stand up and use our votes to save America not destroy it.
Mike S.
June 1st, 2009
1:02 pm
Robert H. Tweedell – The right to vote is not a state issue. It is a right of all citizens. Go back to school. Of course all the Ga republicans can’t be bothered with funding education so good luck.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:04 pm
Most it seem want to behave like the typical basketball players or the girls from TLC…make millions of dollars, blow it all on wine, women and song then cry foul when one must delcare bankruptcy.
Well ya better pay the monthly lease on the Mercedes C class/BMW 3 series ya been driving and also dont forget the interest on your rooms to go pinewood furniture is retroactive to your purchase date should you choose not to pay before said interest-free years expires.
Whoever heard of predatory lending until the minorities got involved…mmm hmmmm. Perhaps ya best read your credit agreements a little more thoroughly and quit blaming everyone except your own sorry behind for your stupid decisions…ya failures.
Mike S.
June 1st, 2009
1:05 pm
Donna P. – I love how Republicans that complain of socialism actually avocate socialist practices. Yes, let’s get everyone to “re-register” to vote. With new requirements of course. That’s not filtering out the voting population or anything…You sound like you would be right at home in Cuba.
Mike S.
June 1st, 2009
1:05 pm
Turd…You certainly are.
GaLiberal
June 1st, 2009
1:07 pm
Finally the DOJ is seeing through the tissue of lies from Handel and the Rethuglicons. It is simply a tatic to weed out voters that would likely vote for Democrats ensuring the Rethuglicons strangle hold on the state. Just look at the Rethuglicon’s poor record on just about everything. Cut taxes at every opportunity which left the state with a multiBILLION dollar shortfall for this fiscal year. Passed pro gun nut laws including allowing guns in restraunts, churches, local and state parks, and MARTA. Cut funding of a taxpayer reliefe fund so now cities and counties either cut back on local services or raise taxes. Gave away BILLIONS in incentives in the guise of creating 100’s of new jobs (some of which went to Alabama residents). Keep voting Repthuglicon and Georgia will wind up being just another backward Southern state.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:09 pm
Aw…whats wrong Mike…did the repo man take your little BMW 325i or perhaps Rooms to Go cleaned you out? OH wait…it was that mean ole predatory lending man wasnt it…he a mean man huh…*a tear*.
All you idoits living above your means are about to understand that the gravy train doesnt run forever. Best get that financial house in order or it will be taken care of you. Now THAT, you can take to the bank if you have ID and can get an account….
LMAO!!
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:11 pm
No need to cut back on services there liberass…just cut out the dead would State/Fed employees. You know…the ones who shuffle in an hour late then have to have they brefuss or read they bible then take a 1.5 to 2 hour lunch and then want to leave at 3:00 PM.
There is plenty of waste to cull out.
Flo-Ri-Duh!
June 1st, 2009
1:19 pm
Enter your comments here
Lulu
June 1st, 2009
1:19 pm
I’m curious as to how many of the posters actually took the time to read the full DOJ letter. It states very clearly that the state of Georgia is well within their rights to do what they claim they are trying to do, which is to verify that every GA voter is a citizen. And if the system finds that most people attempting to vote illegally are, in fact, minorities, then that is acceptable as long as it is accurate and fair. Unfortunately, the system Handel would like to use has a statistically significant failure rate, and those who are erroneously flagged are almost always minorities. As such, it does not comply with federal laws, and must be changed before it can be implemented legally.
I don’t personally see a problem with requiring GA to come up with a legal, fair, non-discriminatory practice to do what they claim they’re trying to do here. And if anyone has actually taken the time to read the full DOJ letter, and is actually intelligent and open enough to understand it, I can’t see how many could possibly disagree based on what most posters have said.
Flo-Ri-Duh!
June 1st, 2009
1:20 pm
Dems are corrupt – Pubs are corrupt – lawyers are corrupt – politcians are corrupt = vote for Perot!
Ron
June 1st, 2009
1:22 pm
Why is it the ones that don’t want the local government looking at voters too closely because it is a violation of rights are OK with the 2A being infringed upon? Why is it the ones that want the local government to back off voter registration want the federal government more involved with PRIVATE industry. We now own 60% of GM along with Canada and Germany having a piece of the pie. Is that the Feds job? Are you OK with that?
Either government needs to get out of our life or they do not. Have the feds get out of the “entitlement” business and I will support no verification voting. Until then, an illegal immigrant has no business voting for someone who gets to dictate how MY money is appropriated.
Steve
June 1st, 2009
1:27 pm
The report does not in ANY way, shape, or form, establish whether or not the screening works. Does it really matter if it flags more minorities than not, IF the flags are correct? No, it does not, and it should not. The preliminary research done, but not authored in the DoJ’s letter (go figure), is that the screening was correct over 70% of the time. That’s 7 out of 10 illegal voters not getting to vote in the state, which makes me happy. Maybe the DoJ needs to instead look into why so many minorities are trying to find ways to vote illegally versus caucasians. Just a thought.
Obviously, the system still need some work, as 30% being flagged incorrectly requires them to do extra work to be allowed their right to vote, which is not acceptable. That being said, a ‘transposed’ digit is something of human error, not computer error. How then, can the system (computer) show racism? It can’t and the DoJ’s letter is full of nonsense.
Even though I have voted liberal twice in the last four elections, I think the nonsense is going overboard. If the wingnuts don’t stand up to this, they will become like Ohio, Florida, New York, and other states where they pretty much have to let anyone vote who raises a stink. Georgia is one of the better states at trying to keep things in line, but they shouldn’t back down.
The reality is, the more illegal voters there are, the less the vote of the honest citizen will mean. Just because the illegal votes are perceived to fall mostly to the liberal party at this time doesn’t mean it won’t change in the future. Even if it doesn’t your vote as an individual may change in the future. This could impact every single person whining about it on here, so think before you just jump to one side simply because of which party you support.
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
1:28 pm
Justice for all, document just one case of an illegal voting in this state. Can you?
Master
June 1st, 2009
1:34 pm
What was the term after the last elections? Oh yeah! Salty Crackers.Who party are the klu Klux Klan apart of? The Klan votes straight box down the line for the repulican party and Mrs Handel.Fisrt it was stop Obama,but he was to powerful and vote no o every bill that came from the white house.The great bible said what a man sow is what he reap.Racism is a sin and it will open the flood gates of hell for all the racist
Bob
June 1st, 2009
1:35 pm
The crooks in the Obama administration trying to steal future Georgia elections. What a sham..
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:35 pm
It does matter Steve!! If a piece of machinery/computer appears to make racist decision then said machine must be beaten down, disgarded then taken aboard a cruise ship and buried at sea.
It matters not the reasons why or why not…only that the lowest common denominator, even thought thats what they are and advocate, isnt what the Dems want to hear.
Ron
June 1st, 2009
1:35 pm
RetLTC – Could it be possible that our system is working and that is why we have limited to no voter fraud? Could it be that our votes are not that scrutinized because we are not a “swing” state?
republi-what?
June 1st, 2009
1:36 pm
Another attempt to disenfranchise voters that might just vote for a Democrat bites the dust… thank you Feds for reigning in our very own lunatic fringe republican non jobs…
Ron
June 1st, 2009
1:37 pm
Master – Are you saying that Obama will be what comes out of the flood gates of hell? I can concur with that.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:37 pm
Ya…speaking of the KKK isnt the honorable senator from the Great State of VA a former member of the KKK? Isnt that correct masterbator or perhaps you forgot that? I thought so.
You best get off your computer and get to work or they gonna repo your Pontiac Grand Am.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
1:40 pm
Only in a place like this can a call for verifiable proof of a problem end with the person making the call branded a race baiter. Exactly where in any of my comments did I mention race? But then again I suppose I should expect nothing less from someone whose creativity doesn’t appear to extend beyond ripping off Norm McDonald on SNL. .
Only in a place like this can a call for verifiable proof of a problem end with the person making the call branded a race baiter. Exactly where in any of my comments did I mention race.
Ron, I have never said I wanted to allow illegal’s the right to vote.
But for those of you who constantly caterwaul about needless government spending, how about this verification process that appears to address a problem that doesn’t exist. I asked for proof that this program addressed a legit problem over an hour and a half ago and have thus far received one link to one website that consists of broken or empty links and no facts that I can see.
If there is no proof of such fraud in the first place, and it doesn’t appear that there is, are we not needlessly spending tax payers money chasing rabbits? (Or perhaps furthering someone’s political agenda.)
Master
June 1st, 2009
1:40 pm
Hey Ron I heard your a night rider with a white hood and a burning cross.
Seem like most back water folks do think alike.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
1:42 pm
And it appears my creativity extends to repeating myself. Sorry, bad editing.
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
1:42 pm
This issue is much like the Bush administration dedicating 300 customs agents to catching all the dastardly American criminal tourists going to Cuba through Mexico. All they had to show for it was 34 boxes of confiscated Cuban cigars. And they bragged about it!!! Waste of time, waste of money, on an issue that is no more significant than a flea on an elephants azz. Sure gets the “base” fired up though. LMAO!
republi-what?
June 1st, 2009
1:42 pm
And here’s hoping we really are a swing-state soon…
Wake up folks in the center and near right– the ‘fine’ men and women of the republican’t party are not your friends… unless you are a road contractor/campaign contributor…
Bob
June 1st, 2009
1:42 pm
As far as I know, no one has a problem with Georgians voting. The problem is with NON Georgian voting here… and with some Georgians voting more than once in an election. It hasn’t been too long ago that Democrat politicians had dead people voting for them. Also, voting is NOT a right… but a privilege. In most states, convicted felons (for example) are not allowed to vote.
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
1:43 pm
Ron, can you document any illegals voting. Are there any credible reports with specific numbers?
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:44 pm
Well my stocks are doing quite well today…and yours Democraps? Oh Im sorry, thats right you were too busy leasing hummers, buying pinewood furniture from Rooms to Go, purchasing $180 tennis shoes for your “lil thug in training”, getting a new set of spinners and/or 22’s for your hoopdy, buying up cases of Hawaiian Punch and stocking up on “hand me downs” from the local goodwill to take out time and make an investment that might make a return.
Awww…too bad.
Mike "Hussein" Smith
June 1st, 2009
1:44 pm
Require blood and urine samples from all voters, too. Even the white ones.
PappyHappy
June 1st, 2009
1:45 pm
The speed in which the US is becoming the second USSR is totally amazing. Even Pravda — yes PRAVDA stated last week that the ‘US was losing capitalism without a whimper’! Folks, how many American jobs did the US lose today with the loss of GM to the Obama government? How many more will we lose when they take over CITIBANK — and that is not many days away!! How many of you want second rate health rationing??? That is coming with ObamaCare!! If you love being troop led by a teleprompter, and tax evaders, then be my guest!! How many real corporate leaders do you think will be left in the ‘Old US’ three years from now?? Welcome to Obama’s new USSR!! Remember folks — this is the same Obama, who in March 2009 wanted disabled veterans to buy their own health care insurance because they had “volunteered for service!!”
Joe Blow
June 1st, 2009
1:48 pm
Karen Handel does not have a college degree, so nothing she does surprises me, except run for govenor with a high school diploma.
PappyHappy
June 1st, 2009
1:49 pm
Could this be another Obama reprimand for Georgia voting for McCain???
Donna P.
June 1st, 2009
1:51 pm
Mike S., how would you insure only American citizens vote? Would you do nothing and let anyone who shows up at the polls vote? I bet you would. Anyone who wants to vote needs to prove they are an American citizen (with a birth certificate) and that they actually live in Georgia (driver’s license, utility bill, etc.). Otherwise, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote in an American election.
Mike "Hussein" Smith
June 1st, 2009
1:51 pm
Bob, you’re an idiot. Of course, voting is a right. Has been since George Washington
’s days. There’s more evidence of Handel hassling minorities than there is of minorities somehow trying to cheat the system. For instance, last fall. one Georgia/U.S. citizen of Asian background had to repeatedly take his citizenship papers to his voter reg. office because everytime a clerk said he was legal, Handel & her minions would send him a letter declaring him ineligible. And her bullying tactics in the Public Service Commission race got her slapped down by a couple of Georgia judges.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
1:52 pm
RetLTC,
I’ve been asking the same question since 11am and all it got me was being called a race baiter by a Turd which still makes no sense to me.
Good luck in your quest.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
1:53 pm
Good luck with that Pappy…these democrats are too accustomed to dining on the feces offered up from Jesse, Al and that USELESS LOWERY, The holy trinity if you will.
They simply are not capable of thinking for themselves. Selfishness, self-absorption, stupidity, deception, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Katy Kouric, Al Goron, being bums, worthlessness, lack of responsibility, is all they know and sadly all they want to know.
Master
June 1st, 2009
1:55 pm
I see why Republicans say they want less goverment intervention.Only when it best suites thier needs.Where are all the fools who back Mr Bush on privatising social security.Imagine the catastrophe the Obama adminsitration would be dealing with today.
Donna P.
June 1st, 2009
1:57 pm
Let’s see, Karen Handel is the Georgia Secretary of State, has been the President and CEO of the North Fulton Chamber of Commerce, was a Deputy Chief of Staff for the Bush-Quayle White House, was Deputy Chief of Staff for Governor Sonny Perdue, and was the Chairwoman of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners. All while not having a college degree; hmmm, seems like she has done well for herself.
Ron
June 1st, 2009
1:58 pm
RetLTC / FC Crusher – That is my question. Is it because it isn’t happening or because it is being caught by our proactive system? If we are not having voter fraud issues could it be because current law is working? Could it possibly be? Of course not because you do not like it. The DOJ’s letter does make refference that there are some accurate hits, is that not enough?
The DOJ states “the state has not provided data on the racial and language minority” but then states “[A]pplicants who are Hispanic, Asian or African-American are more likely than white applicants, to statistically significant degrees, to be flagged for additional scrutiny”.
How would they know the ethniticity of the voter that is flagged if we are not supplying the information? Seems kind of suspect don’t you think?
And for the record I hate Obama & McCain equally. If it had been Colin Powell, Sarah Palin, Condoleezza Rice or a host of other people I could have voted in one of the major parties instead of writing myself in.
south side
June 1st, 2009
2:00 pm
King Georgia Bush and Fox news pulled the biggest Election Frauds of all time.Republicans are bible totin crooks that why this country is screwed today . All the lies and scams by the repubs came back to bite america
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
2:03 pm
John, your 12:38 is right on target.
Turd Furgeson
June 1st, 2009
2:04 pm
Nice work donna! Seems Ms Handel is quite an intelligent individual.
Many college grads fail to understand that a degree only get one a “foot in the door” and guarantees nothing more than that.
Many college grads fail to understand that student loans are just that…a loan.
Many college grads fail to understand that filing bankruptcy doesnt elminate the commitment of repayment of said student loan…OH WAIT, there is that predatory lending issue again…so ugly.
Many college grads fail to understand that one must produce something tangile ie work, or face layoffs or being terminated.
Seems many college grads suffer from delusions of grandeur.
art
June 1st, 2009
2:04 pm
All of you good-ole boys, just keep your trap shut! I’m soo tired of all of you’re nonsenical babble! Go to Ireland, Artic, Iceland,wherever, and crawl back into your holes.
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
2:07 pm
Yeah Ron, we know. It’s a minority conspiracy against angry white guys like you. News flash Ron. You aren’t going to stave off the inevitable. If the republican party doesn’t become more inclusive and diverse, no program can save you.
Ron
June 1st, 2009
2:11 pm
Ret – What is the inevitable? What conspiracy against white guys are you referring too? And I may be angry but why must I be a “white guy”? I am just an angry guy in regards to how our government is being run. Of course I was angry before the current administration.
Eddie Murphy
June 1st, 2009
2:13 pm
HEY HEY…Lets get back on track…
“My girl likes to party all the time
party all the time
party all the time
My girl likes to party all the time
Paarrrrrty all the tiiiiiimmee.”
Get to singing FOOLS or Im gonna trot Arsenio out!
Confused Constitutionalist
June 1st, 2009
2:13 pm
So far I’ve seen at least 20 or more comments going on about a right to vote. Can anyone of you enlightened people (Dems or Repubs) please refresh my memory as to when an amendment was made to the Constitution that specifically gives you right to vote. Last I checked there was not such an amendment nor has Congress taken the issue up. You need to understand you have no constitutional right to vote. What you have is the privilege to vote. Big difference between a right and privledge. Need to understand that before you can move on to more complex problems as what Handel and the DoJ are discussing. But if you still feel you have a right, please tell me explicitly in the Constitution where is states that. Until then, please stop saying you have a right to vote. It’s better to let people think you’re government educated rather than writing a comment for everyone to read and showing that you are indeed government educated.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
2:18 pm
I’m not sure your syllogism is accurate but I do understand your point. I will say that it is not because I don’t like the laws that I do not believe that the absence of voter fraud is attributable to the new laws. If that were the case then I would have to agree that the recent changes in the voting laws were the reason for the lack of voter fraud, and I do not. Back when these reforms were formulated there was no evidence of voter fraud and this was admitted by Georgia Election officials and Sue “blacks only vote when they are paid” Burmeister. And, as a matter of fact the only area the Bush Justice Department found such fraud was in the area of Absentee Ballots which were not addressed in the reform.
So my issue here is that we are throwing money and effort after an issue that DOES NOT EXIST. I cannot be plainer than that. It’s like Chicken Little screaming about the falling sky. No amount of bluster or volume will suffice to justify spending money to correct a problem, and pardon me for repeating myself, that DOES NOT EXIST!
Concerned Southerner
June 1st, 2009
2:18 pm
I am still in favor of right before you go to the voting booth you have the option to place your ballot or receive three scratch off lottery tickets. That would take care of the idiot vote.
Master
June 1st, 2009
2:18 pm
Its a shame Ron had to write his own name on the ballot.Just another repudlican with out any hope.Why would you want Powell on the Ballot? the King Kong in sane idiot Rush said Mr Powell isnt a repulican.My Steele the stoll pigeon/uncle Tom is doing a great by kissing up to his white Masters.Mr Steele is on his way to a masters degree in puppeteering.
oldtimer
June 1st, 2009
2:19 pm
I am not surprized. American middle class citizens have been slowly loosing power for a while.
south side
June 1st, 2009
2:22 pm
I guessACORN was working for Bush in2000 .Who cares if Georgia isa swing state or not ?Ga has prove to be a state of idiot as leaders with no vision or sense.Under dem rule this state was prosperous . Under repub Ga is a third world country
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
2:23 pm
Since you place such emphasis on the “ineligible” minority voters, obviously you think all of them vote against republican candidates. Since the republican party is the one pushing this program, and since the republican party is majority white in Georgia, it doesn’t take calculus to figure it out Ron. The more minorities that can be kept from the polls the longer republicans hang on to Georgia. The inevitable is Ron, that in the near future Georgia will go the way of the rest of the nation. Republicans will be out and minorities will play a powerful role in pushing them out with Latinos as the catalyst. That is what white republicans are scared of. If the angry white guy shoe doesn’t fit you then don’t wear it. But it fits a hell of a lot of scared republicans.
Eddie Murphy
June 1st, 2009
2:25 pm
Oh touche’ lil massa…funny how anytime a black person agrees with a white person they are labeled “uncle tom” by the blacks….bravo!!
I guess black on black violence begets black on black racism. Too bad Condi had to suffer the same treatment. Funny how the blacks want the whites to “include” them, then when we do these same blacks are referred to as uncle toms. Who is the REAL RACISTS here? mmm hmmm.
Too bad you didn't study history
June 1st, 2009
2:27 pm
Hey Retar–, er, I mean, “Constitutionally Confused”
Fifteenth Amendment (1870): The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Nineteenth Amendment (1920): The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
2:29 pm
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
1:52 pm
RetLTC,
I’ve been asking the same question since 11am and all it got me was being called a race baiter by a Turd which still makes no sense to me.
Good luck in your quest.
FC Crusher, like his namesake and his party of choice Turd’ll swirl around the bowl before finally being sucked into the sewer. But it’s going to be a lot of fun watching the swirl before the suck.
Master
June 1st, 2009
2:31 pm
Nowhere in the United States Constitution is there an explicit declaration of the right to vote. Initially the Constitution appears to have left that right up to the states, which generally limited the franchise to white male property owners, who were citizens of a certain age, occasionally of a specific religious faith. For example, in Minor v. Happersett (1875), the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a claim by a Missouri woman that as a citizen the Constitution gave her a right to vote. The Court rejected her claim, indicating that citizenship did not necessarily include the right to vote; states could decide who had that right.
Commencing after the Civil War, a series of constitutional amendments were adopted that addressed the right to vote. The Fifteenth Amendment (1870) prohibited states from denying the right to vote on account of “race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” The Seventeenth Amendment (1913) permitted the direct election of U.S. senators. The Nineteenth Amendment (1920) enfranchised women (see Gender). The Twenty‐fourth (1964) banned poll taxes. The Twenty‐sixth (1971) directed states to allow qualified citizens who were age eighteen or older to vote. Finally, the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment (1868) came to be read as preventing states from enacting suffrage laws that conflict with fundamental principles of fairness, liberty, and self‐government. Yet none of these amendments affirmatively granted the right to vote.
Master
June 1st, 2009
2:35 pm
The battle by African‐Americans to obtain the right to vote was long and arduous. Originally, the Constitution was silent on the right of African‐Americans to vote; instead, Article I, section 2 only referred to them as “other persons,” counted only three‐fifths of free persons. After the Civil War and during Reconstruction, African‐Americans were permitted to vote and they elected several members of Congress in the South. In 1870 the Fifteenth Amendment made it unconstitutional to deny the right to vote on the account of race.
When Reconstruction ended, so did effective franchise rights for African‐Americans. Many southern states enacted a variety of restrictions on African‐American voting rights. Some states instituted polls taxes that required African‐Americans to pay a fee to vote. Others imposed literacy tests upon African‐Americans that asked them to answer often arcane trivia in order to vote. Still other states enacted laws that declared that individuals could vote only if their grandfather had that right, or used white primaries as a means to exclude African‐Americans from participating in elections. Through these laws, as well as by outright intimidation by the Klu Klux Klan and other groups, African‐Americans effectively were without franchise rights until the 1960s.
The Supreme Court initially upheld literacy tests and poll taxes as constitutionally permissible means by which to maintain a responsible and informed electorate, but in the 1920s Democratic party primaries in which participation was restricted to whites began to crumble under judicial attack in cases such as Smith v. Allwright (1944). By 1953 the Supreme Court in Terry v. Adams dealt the last of what had been a series of blows to that exclusionary practice.
It was not until the 1960s that the Supreme Court and the federal government began to take serious steps to protect the right to vote for African‐Americans. The Twenty‐Fourth Amendment in 1966 made the poll tax illegal, the reapportionment cases declared malapportionment on account of race to be unconstitutional, and these cases also established a constitutional right to vote at the state and federal levels.
south side
June 1st, 2009
2:37 pm
How about dissolving the state of Georgia it serves no purpose anyway .Let the metro Atl form our own state and the rest of Ga become part of another state. In its current form its GEORGIA THE EMBARRESS ME STATE
AJCsucks!
June 1st, 2009
2:37 pm
Wow! AJC is a freaking joke. You guys ignore the new black panther party case getting dropped. Even though there was a real case that had a bunch of racists standing in front of a voting location with a weapon and spewing racial slurs.
Obama has proven to be the worst president ever!
Icare
June 1st, 2009
2:40 pm
Youtube of Black Panthers at Philly polls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
Mr. Height
June 1st, 2009
2:42 pm
why do everytime anybody rule against the republicans you people always have something tot say. It could be the right decision but you are going to be against it because Obama is the new president. People have been telling black people to get over certain things for a long time now, so im telling you to do the same thing. Remember you are not natives of this land either so stop claiming it also There is no law stating that you or your group cannot be outside the poling place. you have to be a certain distance if you are campaigning for someone. If you republicans want the KKK to stand out for your party so let it be. its still not going to stop me from making my vote and if you have a problem with it go up to the panthers yourself and make them.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
2:44 pm
You are absolutely correct in the “right to vote” is not explicit in the Constitution. It is, however implicit as is evidenced by the texts of the 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments.
15th Amendment: The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
19th Amendment: The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
26th Amendment: The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
Using sound legal reasoning it becomes clear that you cannot deny or abridge a right that does not exist. The Court in its decisions have recognized other implicit rights in the Constitution, most notably the Right to Privacy. Therefore I would argue there is an implicit right to vote.
But if you are a strict constructionist and believe that implicit rights do not exist, which is a valid (if flawed in my opinion) position to take then for the sake of argument I must agree that there is no explicit Right to Vote in the Constitution. However, the 10th Amendment says that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the State, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” So if an explicit right exist then it is a State Right, not a Federal right.
I may not have explained the issue but I thought I’d put my government education to use for a change.
Panther 1
June 1st, 2009
2:46 pm
Just hold on, we (Black Panthers) are coming to a small town near you. We have 450 years of pay back to dish out. So keep up the trash talk and help us further our cause. Be mindful leaving your local ho down or Walmart. You might receive some black oppression. Don’t laugh it’s coming.
Icare
June 1st, 2009
2:48 pm
Youtube of poll watcher (Dem) being refused entry at polling station in Philly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-HK_VT81Pk&NR=1
I cannot wait for the next election. (if we’re allowed one)
Ron
June 1st, 2009
2:50 pm
WOW “Uncle Tom”!!!! Really???? It doesn’t get much more racist than THAT!
Icare
June 1st, 2009
2:50 pm
Panther 1 = worst bait ever.
Mr. Height
June 1st, 2009
2:54 pm
Obama has proven to be the worst president ever!
Since when? He just became President. Remember he is trying to fix what the Bush administrative have put this country in. Obama hasn’t been able to focus on his plan because of the crap the Republican has done. You Really have to be a real hater, racist or something to even say something like that and ignore the fact that this mess that you see is not the last adminstrations fault plus the rest of us americans for being so greedy. Why can Dems disagree with Dems but republicans can only disagree with Dems and not their own party. This is why we are in the crap we are in today because these parties cannot come together to work things out for the country. How can you hope a president fail at this time in our life. You are not a hater, you are a REAL RACIST!!! Just Admit it. Racism still Lives.
The REAL GodHatesTrash
June 1st, 2009
2:54 pm
You know, if they issued an intelligence requirement of, say, an average IQ of 100 in Georgia, they’d never have to open the polls in the whole darn state…
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
2:58 pm
If the Bush administration hadn’t have done such a pizz poor job, would there even be an Obama administration? You reap what you sow. And as John McCain and several others have clearly stated, elections have consequences.
Ron
June 1st, 2009
2:58 pm
Quick question – If all of these issues are Bushes fault where were all the opposeres when his bills were coming through congress? Why didn’t congress put a stop too it?
It is both sides fault for this entire mess we are in.
As for why Powell? He is an excellent military man. That is why.
south side
June 1st, 2009
2:59 pm
This whole state is one big joke. And one would be a fool to trust this state gvmt.But pretty soon the repub will be excint and the U.S. can be a great nation again
Yep
June 1st, 2009
3:11 pm
I am so sick of many on this board of reduciing every issue that comes along down to race. “You are a racist if you don’t agree with my views” What BS!!! People, this is really about allowing non-taxpaying and no-registered citizens the right to steal from the rest of us who actually EARN the right to vote through our hard work and taxes.
The socialist left is sing race baiting to cloud the issues and make us look the other way while thousands of illegals sneak under the fence and vote for the hand-out government policies and candidates. Why shouldn’t they? They aren’t invested in this country anyway!
Wake up and say something people before this county falls into 3rd world status!
Glenda
June 1st, 2009
3:14 pm
Why are you blaming President Obama for the mess in this country. It did not originate with nor from him, President Obama. It was in a mess when I was born and it still is because of hypocrisy and hatred.
No Way
June 1st, 2009
3:18 pm
Mr height you my friend may be the dumbest of all. How do you figure the bamster has not been able to focus on his agenda. If he hasn’t focused on his agenda help us all. If we are a real racist for not liking our president, just like you didn’t Bush, then let it be but don’t take our money and then call us evil. That would make you a what? You know. Come on! The truth is my family will always be fine and you will always be crying that someone has done you wrong and everyone is racists. I am SO glad I am not you.
SOUTHERN ATL
June 1st, 2009
3:19 pm
Roy Barnes is about to turn this “Great State” BLUE again!!! That is why so much fear is taking place….The candidates that have declared their spots on the Republican ticket will be highly disappointed and they know this!!!!
vader
June 1st, 2009
3:19 pm
Typical! It’s never a problem (illegal workers) until the person sees his or her power (voting control) slipping away. Now, I am certainly for verifying the legal right to vote, and agree this could be done with a valid driver’s license. However, the problem there is a person doesn’t have to be a US Citizen to get a license in some cases. There is simply too litte uniformity. Not to change the subject, but anyone remember In the Line of Fire (Clint Eastwood). Just a thought, when he was able to get the finger prints of the person and gave to the other US Agency to run the match, they found a match, but it was C-12 confidential. What! How could this be?
Well, this is no different with this voting stuff. The same agencies which should be all about the same principle is not. They are only collaborative when it’s a mutual score regardless of whether its right or wrong.
Yes, I said all of that to say this:
Georgia has known for years the influx of minorities who were not able to vote, but it was overlooked for various reasons (housing, contruction low wages), but now some see the things changes and its not in their favor.
As far as all the negative comments for Obama, speaking evil of a person isn’t going to change your circumstances, grow up, and do something productive….
No Way
June 1st, 2009
3:20 pm
Mr Height don’t right a check your panthers can’t cash loser. I dare you and your jigs to come get some of this. We still own you and always will
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
3:22 pm
Maybe Ron, because until the 06 elections you had a republican congress and senate rubber stamping Bush policies.
south side
June 1st, 2009
3:23 pm
Enter your comments here
RetLTC
June 1st, 2009
3:27 pm
Yep
June 1st, 2009
3:11 pm
I am so sick of many on this board of reduciing every issue that comes along down to race. “You are a racist if you don’t agree with my views” What BS!!! People, this is really about allowing non-taxpaying and no-registered citizens the right to steal from the rest of us who actually EARN the right to vote through our hard work and taxes.
The socialist left is sing race baiting to cloud the issues and make us look the other way while thousands of illegals sneak under the fence and vote for the hand-out government policies and candidates. Why shouldn’t they? They aren’t invested in this country anyway!
Wake up and say something people before this county falls into 3rd world status!
We’ll wake up when illegals can vote dumbazz! Ignorance like this would be hilarious if not so tragic. Yep, you should apply for SSI benefits. You obviously ride the short bus.
Are you really D.A. King? You’re certainly right there with that cretin on the bell curve.
mcdaviddawg
June 1st, 2009
3:33 pm
Until the republican base, what’s left of it, starts doing something positive instead of attacking Obama, they have no hope of being part of decision making in this country.
south side
June 1st, 2009
3:39 pm
Why did that crook Sonny cut state services but continue to fund his fishhole.See thats what your rural leader do steal from metroAtl tosupport the south part of Ga a.k.a the welfare state .So Ga repub s believe in taking from the wealthy metro area to support wefare south Ga.Sonny is still promoting this stupid money sucking idea but dont worry Sonny just like his party will cease to exist
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
3:39 pm
FC Crusher…
Google: voter + fraud + georgia + 2008.
I think you’ll find enough info to satisfy your request(s).
Master
June 1st, 2009
3:46 pm
Mr Eddie So called Myurphy.Black dont need whites to accept them.Because when we do you dont value blacks as equals.It took laws on the books to force white’s to treat blacks as equals.Jim crow laws ,segregation, white only water fountains and restrooms.Mrs Rice sided with Mr Bush to go to war in Iraq which cost this country trilloins of American tax dollars.How many of the men involed in 911 was from Iraq.Yet we were water boearding terrorist to find an link between the terrorist and Iraq.
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
3:48 pm
“The National Voter Registration Act (known as the Motor Voter Law), the very first law signed by President Bill Clinton, imposed fraud-friendly rules on the states by requiring them to offer registration to anyone who applies for a driver’s license, to offer mail-in registration with no identification needed, and to make it very difficult to purge dead and moved-away voters from registration rolls. The voter rolls in many U.S. cities now contain more names than the U.S. Census lists as residents over age 18.”
..go figure…
I handle Handel
June 1st, 2009
3:50 pm
News flash to all you inbred, backwood racist:
No one has a problem with showing proof of id. The problem arises when all Karen Handel and her cohorts have to do is pull up someone’s name and TYPE in an incorrect SSN and say it doesn’t match. And based on this state’s history, we all know the last names that they’ll be scrutinizing and looking for. Let’s see, would they be scrutinizing the person whose last name is Van Winkle or Jackson? Survey says the latter. If the persons SSN is 123-45-6789 and she types 123-45-6788, that will result in a flag & that person will have to jump through hoops to prove who they are. And we all know how long GA will take to correct the problem. So please shut up and go back into your trailors and continue to pro-create with your first cousin.
Fanny B Tender
June 1st, 2009
3:52 pm
Most or you on here need to get a job…ya bums.
south side
June 1st, 2009
3:58 pm
Life in metro Atlanta would be great with out the state of Ga.
Change in Atlanta
June 1st, 2009
4:04 pm
Vote these racist Republicans out the office especially Karen Handle she had people standing in line 5 hours during the election and didnt want extended hours for minority neiborhors to vote…Handle we would see who win in the election for Governor I hope it not Karen Handle.
Nick
June 1st, 2009
4:04 pm
Karen Handel and th eentire georgia GOP are RACIST
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:06 pm
CHANGE IS COMING.
Kline D
June 1st, 2009
4:10 pm
If a voter can’t prove that they are a citizen then they are too dumb to make a choice of candidate whether it be for a left or right candidate.
It seems that only one party is concerned with voter fraud! Why is that?
The AMAZING GodHatesTrash, Superstar
June 1st, 2009
4:16 pm
GOP=KKK, especially in Georgia.
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
4:19 pm
Kline D said: It seems that only one party is concerned with voter fraud! Why is that?
Because ACORN is a Dem organization.
Icare
June 1st, 2009
4:25 pm
The truth about Obama and ACORN
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/29/document-drop-the-truth-about-obamacorn/
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:26 pm
Tom DeLay campaign finance investigation/ We will not forget
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
4:28 pm
====== GOP=KKK =======
Really? Martin Luther King Jr was a member of the KKK?
Who knew.
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
4:30 pm
Icare: You’re a raaaaaccciiisssstttttttttt!
/sarc off
Icare
June 1st, 2009
4:31 pm
Nyah. I’m just truthy.
Change in Atlanta
June 1st, 2009
4:33 pm
Please Barnes run for Govornor so we can have our great state back again from these corrupted Republicans….Why all the reacist republicans sticks together.
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:34 pm
Abramoff and his partner Scanlon are alleged to have engaged in a series of corrupt practices in connection to their lobbying work for various Indian Casino gambling tribes. The fees paid to Abramoff and Scanlon for this work are believed to exceed $85 million.
In particular, Abramoff and Scanlon are alleged to have conspired with Washington power broker Grover Norquist and Christian activist Ralph Reed to co-ordinate lobbying against his own clients and prospective clients with the objective of forcing them to engage Abramoff and Scanlon to lobby against their own covert operations. Reed was paid to campaign against gambling interests that competed with Abramoff clients. Norquist served as a go-between by funneling money to Reed.
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:37 pm
To all republicans ….Please READ Above stories
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
4:38 pm
Icare: Great link…and the investigations are just skimming across the surface at this point. Looking forward to seeing ACORN in full daylight.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
4:41 pm
scituate_tgr,
I did exactly what you suggested. This is what I found in the first 10 articles your search string pulled up.
1. Article about voter fraud in Russia.
2. The website to which I was referred earlier which has no facts that I can see.
3. A Newsmax article concerning people who are registered in 2 states (Since there is no unregistration that I know of I suppose I am still registered in Florida since I moved back home from there in 2000.)
4. A Thom Hartman article on Russian voter fraud.
5. A John Nail article that talks about irregularities in Fulton County that show it underperformed. .
6. Allegations of a family that a mentally challenged man had his vote “stolen”.
7. An article from Slate that makes the point regarding the 2006 Voter ID Law that “ “The court also found no evidence of voter fraud in Georgia to sustain the law, except in the area of absentee ballots—where the law actually made voting without identification easier.” Which if I am not mistaken supports my position.
8. An Institute for Southern Studies article chronicling the controversy of Handel’s previous attempts to “verify” voters.
9. An opinion piece by Phyllis Schlafly which contained no facts that I could see.
10. A Huffington Post piece about Governor Charlie Crist of Florida saying that “his fellow Republicans may be exaggerating claims of voter fraud in the state.”
These were the top ten sites listed. I realize I could have read though the remaining 316,990 but I figure if it is that big an issue then it would be in the top ten. Or perhaps SOMEONE…..ANYONE…..can give me some verifiable proof that this is a legitimate issue and not a political stunt.
Let me save you some time since it is not almost SIX HOURS since my first query….You are not going to find any because, and Kline D I think this will answer your question as well…….THIS PROBLEM DOES NOT EXIST.
Next up we are going to spend taxpayers money to keep the Tooth Fairy from breaking into houses and stealing teeth.
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:42 pm
Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal/ Lets not forget
Icare
June 1st, 2009
4:42 pm
scituate_tgr: Sunlight is a disinfectant.
Another link for your reading pleasure:
The Cloward-Piven strategy of manufactured crisis (and, how Obama is utilizing it to hasten our descent into unapologetic Socialism)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
scituate_tgr
June 1st, 2009
4:49 pm
Master – how about a link to the “Above stories” — so I can read all content and also see the source? Thanks.
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:53 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramoff_scandal#Guilty_plea.E2.80.94confirmed_corrupt_lobbying_practices
Master
June 1st, 2009
4:58 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLay_campaign_finance_investigation#Grand_jury_indictments
Rod
June 1st, 2009
5:02 pm
Good. Errors for one digit off are unacceptable. Too bad Handel. Get your stuff together now. There is a no rubber stamp from Bush anymore.
Master
June 1st, 2009
5:03 pm
http://home.snu.edu/~dwilliam/s98/usarab/icscandal.htm/ Iran contra scandal
Icare
June 1st, 2009
5:07 pm
Obama flip flops on lobbyists:
http://www.examiner.com/x-1969-Boston-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m1d28-Obama-flipflop-on-lobbyist-ban-is-good-news-for-Bostonbased-military-contractor
…on Guantanamo, on releasing the torture pics, adfinitum.
Bob
June 1st, 2009
5:35 pm
Northern Voice: If you want to see some REAL racists. Go back up north to Rev. Wright and others.
That’s where Nobama is coming from. He is doing everything he can to take the election from from working Americans and into the hands of freeloaders – from GM and their union leaders on down.
Master
June 1st, 2009
5:41 pm
Bob you need a lesson in history.They did say Bobs an idiot.
Cafe
June 1st, 2009
6:22 pm
And people wonder why the Governor is on the bandwagon to get rid of the Voting Rights Act – so they can discriminate even further. Who would have thought – in 2009 Georgia still has discrimanatory practices with elections. Amazing!
Yep
June 1st, 2009
8:26 pm
RETLTC,
You just made my point. When you really have not legitimate argument, call someone a name. OOOOOHHH it hurts! You are simply part of the liberal spin machine that does not understand what this whole thing is about. Where is your short bus? Who is the real dumbazz, dumbazz?
I am one of the few taxpayers who will even give your welfare taking azz the time of day except on tax day and every friday when you receive your government check, when you should just say “thank you” and keep your mouth shut!
This country is going through a crisis. Pariah like yourself are draining the will of taxpayers to carry your ilk through life and provide for your personal failings.
The ability of illegal voters and illiegal aliens to skew the results of the actual will of the people has destroyed the voting system. I know that most taxpayers would not vote to give you your weekly handout! This is being taken away from us all.
Please look at the constitution, voting is not a right, it is a priviledge, moron.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
8:45 pm
Hey Yep
You said “The ability of illegal voters and illiegal aliens to skew the results of the actual will of the people has destroyed the voting system.”
I challenge you to provide the same thing I’ve been looking for, unsuccessfully, since 11 o’clock this morning. PROOF.
Can you back that statement up or is it so much hot air?
RetMar7
June 1st, 2009
8:57 pm
Secretary of State Karen Handel is to be commended for lawfully attempting to remove ineligible voters from Georgia’s state database. She can be sure that the majority of military officers, both active duty and retired, fully support her efforts (for that matter so would the majority of our founding fathers). We stand with those who want honest voting. Let’s hope that Georgia has the fortitude to stand against voter fraud and stand for federalism by ignoring the liberals’ pathetic attempts at bullying via the federal government. …Liberalism really is a dangerous mental disorder. — LtCol, Marine Corps, Retired
Ron
June 1st, 2009
9:10 pm
FC Crusher – You keep asking your question but side stepping mine. Is it possible the lack of issues are due to our proactive measures? If we do not have a terrorist strike on US soil in the next ten years are our Security Forces (note I did not say Homeland Security) a waste of tax payer money?
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
9:19 pm
Ron,
I did address your question with the following post, which I repost at this time. You may not like the answer but it is my answer. The “proactive measures” you speak of are not the reason for the non-existence of this problem. The reason for the non-existence of this problem is simple: IT DOES NOT EXIST. Terrorism, here or elsewhere is a real issue and therefore not at all analogous. To use your logic a new law banning the Easter Bunny would be a raging success since the Bunny would never be able to show its face. But it would, of course, ignore the reality that the Easter Bunny DOES NOT EXIST just as this “problem” DOES NOT EXIST. And if it does then offer some proof.
***Repost***
I’m not sure your syllogism is accurate but I do understand your point. I will say that it is not because I don’t like the laws that I do not believe that the absence of voter fraud is attributable to the new laws. If that were the case then I would have to agree that the recent changes in the voting laws were the reason for the lack of voter fraud, and I do not. Back when these reforms were formulated there was no evidence of voter fraud and this was admitted by Georgia Election officials and Sue “blacks only vote when they are paid” Burmeister. And, as a matter of fact the only area the Bush Justice Department found such fraud was in the area of Absentee Ballots which were not addressed in the reform.
So my issue here is that we are throwing money and effort after an issue that DOES NOT EXIST. I cannot be plainer than that. It’s like Chicken Little screaming about the falling sky. No amount of bluster or volume will suffice to justify spending money to correct a problem, and pardon me for repeating myself, that DOES NOT EXIST!
Ron
June 1st, 2009
9:55 pm
Here ya go FC – http://www.northwestgeorgia.com/statenews/local_story_121172238.html
Suspended Chattooga State Court Judge Carlton Vines has resigned his position and all charges pending against him have been dropped.
Vines was charged with unlawful possession of ballots, conspiracy to commit election fraud and making false statements in connection with filing notice of candidacy
Ron
June 1st, 2009
9:56 pm
Here ya go FC http://www.northwestgeorgia.com/statenews/local_story_121172238.html
Ron
June 1st, 2009
9:56 pm
A State Judge committed voter fraud.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
10:14 pm
That was an interesting case and I agree that it was voter fraud. But if you had actually followed the story from the beginning you’d realize that the fraud alleged involved ABSENTEE ballots which were not addressed in the changes of 2006. In fact absentee ballots requirements were loosened up by the changes in 2006, which seemed to fly in the face of the “voter fraud” issue since it is much easier to commit fraud in that area. I’m not sure that is the kind of fraud contemplated by the “verification process” or one that would be detected by it.
But in interest of being fair I’ll concede this one to you, although I honestly do not believe this case is sufficient to justify the hysterical cries of voter fraud coming out of Handel’s office.
Linda Mae
June 1st, 2009
10:21 pm
I have to show my driver’s license when I vote. So what? We forget that those who are flagged are then checked over to see what the problem was. Misspelled name? If they were immigrants, it might explain why there is a problem. I always need to ask my ESL students to help me read their writing when registering them for class. I also need to add their address and social security number. I don’t need to verify any of the info – just add it to the data base. I am not surprised that this population might need to be reviewed. Nowhere have I read the outcome of the flagging.
My Citizenship students want their citizenship so that they can vote in the United States. THEY aren’t upset that they have to go through the naturalization process – a matter of fact – they are PROUD of themselves for doing it. They have no compassion for ILLEGALS coming to the US. They are not “liberals.” We expect so little of our citizenry in the voting process. My students are amazed at how easy it is to sign up to vote. It is our last lesson because they think it will be very difficult to do. I have them fill out the application and tell them to take it home and use it as soon as they pass the test. I am liberal enough to ask for a national citizenship card – like a passport – so that there will not be any questions ever if anyone is legal. I cannot hire anyone – even those I’ve know for years – unless they have filled out an I-9 Form: Proof of citizenship. What’s the problem.
Glad to see the Saul Alinskyites here using Rules for Radicals #5: Ridicule the messenger in order to neutralize the message. Plus it sounds like some of you are suffering of Sorosis of the brain as well.
Continue to check to see that those who can vote do vote. If the same law is applied to all, then all will be protected.
Confused Constitutionalist
June 1st, 2009
10:36 pm
Hey Too bad you didn’t study history. As soon as I posted my question, I knew someone would take the bait and throw in my face those amendments that you quoted as evidence that the right to vote is mentioned in the Constitution. Congratulations on taking that bait. Thankfully, it was pointed out by two other people, very well I might add, that there no where in the Constitution does it explicitly give you the right to vote. Now I must ask, did you vote for Obama because he holds the same convictions that you do or did you vote for him because voting for him seemed to be the cool thing to do? My guess is, the latter and for that I am deeply saddened and scared because I know your are not alone in your reasoning. I do take solace however in knowing that there are those who posted here and who didn’t that grasp what’s going on along the Potomac and who understand our Constitution. Regardless of your political affiliation, if you truly believe in the Constitution, then you should be fearful of what’s taking place in Washington and be supportive of those who wish to protect your voting privileges.
FC Crusher
June 1st, 2009
10:40 pm
To misquote Taxi Driver “are you talking to me”? because if you are then you need to reread my post.
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DJH
June 2nd, 2009
12:37 pm
Funny how it’s always the libs who drop the RACISM bomb aimed at Republicans when there is no sign or indication of any – never mind that the only member of the KKK to ever hold a Congressional seat is a Dem, never mind that REPUBLICANS passed civil rights legislation, never mind Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN – never mind that the practice of racism, race baiting, et al is normal operating procedure of the DEM party… no, simply by disagreeing with Obama you are clearly a racist even though you cite POLICY reasons for your distain, by wanting to ensure ILLEGAL ALIENS do not vote in our elections you are a racist, by being outraged that Obama’s AG allowed the Black Panters to violate the civil and constitutional rights of voters you are clearly a racist… nope, you can’t fool those liberals you are really a racist.
Jeez, who would have thought the new age liberals would have become the old world NAZI’s?
Amazing, these are supposedly the “educated and englightened” yet they’re so stupid their only response to legitimate debate is to scream ‘hate monger’ or ‘racism’ in defense of their pathetic or non-existent arguements. All debate, all criticism all disagreement deemed racist or obstructionist – the very fabric of American society ripped to shreds by Obama, the dems and liberals in general because the Obama way is the only way.
Pure ignorance at it’s finest – the free exchange of idea’s, so long as your idea’s match theirs!
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BIO
June 2nd, 2009
5:42 pm
Please sign Karens’ petition – http://bit.ly/IAMgy
Icare
June 2nd, 2009
6:50 pm
Thanks BIO! Done and passed it on!
Mark D.
June 3rd, 2009
10:44 am
Well I guess people in GA. are not that smart or capable. We have to show ID here in MO. and there is no more of a hassle that showing an ID like when you write a check, us your credit card, cash a check. Don’t you have to show identification to get welfare? If voting is one of the last rights reserved to American citizens and we don’t want foreign interests swaying our elections I think we should make sure only American citizens eligible to vote only vote. Another question is why is it mostly Democrats that want everyone and anyone to vote, without any check that they are eligible, who they say they are or that they only vote once. Pretty fishy to me. I know how to get voter ID passed is for conservative to start doing this voting scams then the Democrats will start screaming for ID.
Mark D.
June 3rd, 2009
10:53 am
DJH All great points founded in FACTS but what answers them all is liberal education. The truth and facts don’t matter. What matters is who tells it. The majority of Americans are so stupid they will not even read what you wrote, they will read right to the point that doesn’t fit with what they already know and stop.
Mark D.
June 3rd, 2009
11:08 am
DJH All great points founded in FACTS but what answers them all is liberal education. The truth and facts don’t matter. What matters is who tells it. The majority of Americans are so stupid they will not even read what you wrote, they will read right to the point that doesn’t fit with what they already know and stop.
Be fair people the Democrats do think there are useless stupid minorities. They are the ones soooo stupid they vote Republican or call themselves conservatives and believe in personal responsibility. You can’t use these idiots for your own gain and they are too stupid to be easily manipulated.
Paul P.
June 4th, 2009
5:57 am
The Department of Justice is making sure the door is wide open for more voter fraud from groups like ACORN and the New Black Panthers.
Why did Obama direct the DOJ to override career prosecutors and drop a civil rights suit against the New Black Panthers for threatening voters?
The Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center have identified the New Black Panthers as a hate group. They were caught on video threatening voters, carrying weapons, shouting racist remarks, etc.
When they didn’t defend themselves of the charges they were essentially already found guilty by default. So why then would Obama want to drop the charges against them?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/protecting-black-panthers/
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fay fraley
September 15th, 2009
6:34 pm
I say YEAH! for identifying our citizens, where as all illigels should have absolutely no vote governing parties.
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