Dick Cheney: Gays ‘ought to get a shot’ at marriage

Former Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the Gerald R. Ford Foundation Journalism Awards luncheon at the National Press Club in Washington/Associated Press

Former Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the Gerald R. Ford Foundation Journalism Awards luncheon at the National Press Club in Washington/Associated Press

At the National Press Club in Washington this afternoon, former Vice President Dick Cheney appeared to endorse the concept of gay marriage.

This from the Chicago Tribune’s The Swamp:

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” Cheney replied. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay, and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family.

“I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish — any kind of arrangement they wish,” Cheney said. “The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don’t support. I do believe that, historically, the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue, and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis…

“But I don’t have any problem with that,” he said of the same-sex marriages that most of the states in New England, Iowa and the District of Columbia have authorized. “People ought to get a shot at that.”

As Andrew Sullivan, a gay and (somewhat) conservative blogger noted: “This makes him more supportive of full marriage equality than Barack Obama.”

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Coastal Cavalier

June 1st, 2009
4:14 pm

The issue of marriage is like so many other issues…It belongs with the state (see the 10th amendment). It should be sooner rather than later that same sex marriage should be allowed. But I am a white, male, conservative, southern Republican so what do I know.

Jim Callihan

June 1st, 2009
4:20 pm

Dick then added, “You know me – I’m for anyone getting a shot at another.”

BB

June 1st, 2009
4:23 pm

This is just a political ploy by Cheney to attack the current administration. He could give a flying flip about gay marriages. And by the way, we have heard and seen more of Cheney lately as oppose to when he was in office the last eight years. What’s up with that……..

Stephen

June 1st, 2009
4:24 pm

Man…Cheney has had the adulation of the religious right, Bible thumpers and the fundamentalists up to now. It is going to be interesting to hear them turn on him after he’s made these comments about gay marriage. As far as allowing the States to determine individual freedoms, in 2009 we’d still have segregation and discrimination against minorities in many areas of our society if the federal courts had not interceded.

ATL_LOVE

June 1st, 2009
4:24 pm

Cheney.

“Get a shot”.

No pun intended? LOL

RenaP

June 1st, 2009
4:29 pm

too bad he didn’t speak up when he was in office. would have meant so much more.

findog

June 1st, 2009
4:29 pm

Anti-gay marriage was used in the Georgia 2004 contest to increase turnout. I think Cheney would like it to be on the ballot every two years to ensure the Relegious Right is there for the GOP.

dee

June 1st, 2009
4:37 pm

These comments are totally out of character for Darth Vader! Whats going on?

Name (required)

June 1st, 2009
4:40 pm

Gays should have just as much of a right as us “breeders” to be miserable in marriage. Besides, the tax penalties from them being married could reap more tax revenue! Everybody wins except the bible-loving, people-hating crowd. But they can just go back to counting how many times someone says “poop” on network TV.

Backdoor Joe

June 1st, 2009
4:43 pm

Dick Cheney is a Moon Cricket…

Hole in One

June 1st, 2009
4:46 pm

Whose better at taking a shot at something than Dick?

Dick Sucks!!!

Adittohead

June 1st, 2009
4:47 pm

YES..LET THEM MARRY….Maybe (2)men can also figure a way to conceive a baby…Throw in a female & make it a threesome

herbK

June 1st, 2009
4:49 pm

While I am personally against gay marriage, I take the same stance as I do with abortion.
That stance is once of the other person has to make the decision, I, via legislation, should
not be the one to decide. It is very personal. That said, dick cheney is a POS.

Adittohead

June 1st, 2009
4:50 pm

Based on Cheney’s comments…..a 60-year-old man should be able to marry a 14-year-old girl…As long as they are both hot…hot…hot

Adittohead

June 1st, 2009
4:50 pm

Based on Cheney’s comments…..a 60-year-old man should be able to marry a 14-year-old girl…As long as they are both hot…hot…hot

jim

June 1st, 2009
4:52 pm

Stephen, your a hate filled biggot!

Staci

June 1st, 2009
4:55 pm

Laws are in place to determine who can enter into a marriage (such as to prevent children from being forced into marriage) but the government has no right to say who one may choose to marry. For the government to place limitations on gender is no different than limitations on race. If there was a movement to prohibit mixed race marriages, there would be a great outcry. Why is there not more of an outcry on the limitation due to gender?

If you are against same-sex marriage, you have the right to act on your beliefs/opinions. But only as far as your own marriage is concerned. You have no right to decide who someone else may or may not marry.

(I am heterosexual, but my own sexuality does not mean all must be as I am.)

Rule .303

June 1st, 2009
4:55 pm

The Sith Lord speaks…

GT

June 1st, 2009
5:05 pm

I love his choice of words, “had to live with it”. What is wrong with this man, talking about a daughter this way? Thank the Lord he had a gay daughter or we would have got a real dose of hate from the most unpopular man ever to serve in a national office in this country, but swears he is misunderstood. Haters are like a bunch of ex alcoholics looking for an excuse to drink. Lets see we can’t publicly berate women, or race or religion but through great compromise and negotiation they have left open hating gays and illegal immigrants. We need to hurry before all the fun is gone. And how a religious person saddles up to this is beyond explanation.

Mike

June 1st, 2009
5:12 pm

Dick Cheney’s daughter is lesbian and in a long-term relationship, for those who didn’t know it. Obviously, those who voted for him as VP did not realize that Republican families also have homosexual children. Oh, Lord! Did I just spill the beans?! As much as I dislike Bush Jr., he’s not an anti-gay zealot like some Republicans…and I repeat, SOME.

Hoya Saxa

June 1st, 2009
5:13 pm

VP Cheney has supported gay marriage for years. He and his daughter (who did outreach to the gay community during the 2000 campaign) have supported gay marriage initiatives since the first Bush Administration. Cheney never made a huge point of it because President Bush did not support it and VP Cheney always noted that “President Bush is the President, not me.”

Barry

June 1st, 2009
5:13 pm

Hey Y’all:

The question i have for everyone is “HOW DID SODOM AND GOMARRAH BECOME SODOM AND GOMORRAH??” Again, “HOW DID SODOM AND GOMORRAH BECOME SODOM AND GOMORRAH????”.

Sodom and Gomorrah became Sodom and Gomorrah because of “false prophets”, “devils in the pulpit”, and “sensitive politicians” and others, who for some reason or another (THE DEVIL) sucumming to “GAY RIGHTS”. The GAY moral, political, and social conditions in Sodom and Gomorrah became so rude, reckless and abohorant that the “GAY MEN” wanted to “HAVE SEX” with God’s “ANGELS”. THEY WERE ARROGANT AND REBELLED AGAINST GOD AND HIS COMMANDMENTS FOR THEIR SEXUAL DEVIANT BEHAVIOR. These “GAYS” refused Lot’s offer for his daughters; however, they were so arrogant in their belief in their “HOMSEXUALITY” life style that was strong and prevalent in that city/country. Somehow their deviant bechavior superseded “HETEROSEXUAL FAMILY and INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS” in that city/country. We know what happened in the end: The LORD OUR GOD “DESTROYED” that country/city because Lot could not find “ONE” righteous person in it.

Currently, our country is followong the path of Sodom and Gommorah. Homosexuals appear to have erganized to a point were they are convincing our politicians (like Dick Cheney), through radio, t.v., alike, that their lifesyle is O.K. and will not harm anyhting. They want same sex marriages and the abilty to adopt innocent children into their life style. What do you think this is going to do to children who have not yet grown into their sexual identity?? These gays will be breeding more gays and confused youths who will think like them and in the future become a force in our society just like the society of Sodom and Gomorrah. THIS IS THEIR GAME PLAN. This political, social movement has to “CEASE!!” WE IN THE HETEROSEXUAL COMMUNITY MUST FIGHT BACK BY ANY MEANS NECCESSARY. We must stop this movement by voting and not be afraid to say “ENOUGH OS ENOUGH!!”This movement will only cease by strong righteous, religous individuals and organization, and their friends, making a religious stand, in the name of God, to prevent the end result of such a movement suceeding, as told in the Bible through the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, of what will happen in the long term to our current society by giving up too much concessions to a “deviant behavior” entitled “GAY RIGHTS”. They claim they have money to broadcast their assertions, which they are doing, I say we have more money to start fighting back against this movement to save ourselves, our country, and our children. WE ARE THE “SILENT” MAJORITY. I say lets become a “LOUD MAJORITY” for our childrens sake.

Let’s pray that Gays “REPENT” and return to the fold of “JESUS CHRIST” our “Lord and Savior”.

But until then “WE MUST BECOME THE LOUD MAJORITY”!!!

May God Bless Us All in this ENDEAVOR.

Manuel

June 1st, 2009
5:21 pm

Given his terminology used of “shot at,” are we sure he wasn’t speaking to an NRA convention on regarding the people involved in this particular topic ?

If that is the case, could we please include Vick Supporters in that arena as well, most of which males are open to such marriages in the first place?

DKNATL

June 1st, 2009
5:25 pm

Marriage is decided at the state level, but the benefits are granted at the federal level when a man and a woman are married. Examples – spousal rights to Social Security benefits upon death; right to make decisions for incapacitated spouse; taxation benefits for married people.

If you want this to be equal, then take away all the federal benefits and let each state decide which benefits are to be given with their definition of “marriage”. Otherwise, I want my federal benefits and I don’t care what you call the piece of parchment that entitles me and amy significant other to those benefits.

Mya

June 1st, 2009
5:33 pm

If there was EVER a comment designed to sway opinion AWAY from what you want… it’ Barry’s comment. Dude. You are one mentally challenged human being. Your rant is so full of lies and distortions that is is truly delusional. You have cherry picked the bible to death, rewritten the true text on Sodom and Gomorrah.

Ezekiel 16:49-50:

“Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

What reasons does this passage give about Sodom? They were proud and arrogant. They had fulness of bread, in other words they were self-indulgent. Abundance of idleness – they were lazy. They assumed NO responsibility for poor people, they had no social conscience. They were haughty – “stuck-up” with an attitude of superiority, arrogant. They committed “abomination” before God (”to’ebah,” something disgusting, especially idolatry.) Abomination included such things as eating shrimp or catfish, and having sex while the wife was having her period. A disobedient child was an abomination to God and was supposed to be stoned to death. The list goes on forever.

Show us where int eh bible homosexuality is linked to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It was destroyed because the people had turned away from God and the true meaning of his word. Hmmmm sounds like some people on this discussion board.

Ozzfest

June 1st, 2009
5:46 pm

It is all too easy for so many Americans to connect their Christian faith to their politics. That is exactly why the US will fail in our lifetime. One should be able to distinguish between the two. Unfortunately, we are doomed to fail because their is no more unity…we all live in seperate little pockets…most do not even know their neighbors. “Ya’ll” need to have a drink, get laid every once in a while and chill out, while at the same time saluting the flag. Yes, it is possible, IF YOU WANT IT.

Jon

June 1st, 2009
5:51 pm

My Brother-in-Law Veed should post a rant on here.

LightBulb

June 1st, 2009
5:57 pm

Barry, Amen, Amen, Amen. Next they will want to allow blood brothers and sisters to marry and reproduce. The human race is gradually destroying itself.

Barry

June 1st, 2009
6:03 pm

Mya, what book are you reading? What actions did they want to perform on the Angels to refuse Lot’s daughters? You must be of the other persuasion. Sorry if this offends you. If it does, stop doing what you are doing in this regard and “REPENT!”.

REAL Republican

June 1st, 2009
6:04 pm

That’s it…Dick Cheney is soooo outta here. He is obviously not a REAL Republican like me. Otherwise he’d know that REAL Republicans hate homosexuality. And minorities. And science. Thinking. Sunday liquor sales. France. Muslims. Non-evangelical Christians. Jaywalkers. The color green. Stars. Astronauts. Anyone living west of the Mississippi. Anyone living in the Northeast. Don’t get me started on the Pacific Northwest…God damn hippies.

josef nix

June 1st, 2009
6:09 pm

OOH BOY…finally a spot to beat my tin drum where I don’t have to stretch to work it in!

Coastal Cavalier:
“But I am a white, male, conservative, southern Republican so what do I know.”
Obviously a lot more than the hypocrite Obama. And thank you. I’ve said all along that we’ve got a lot more friends among “your people” than my fellow non WASP (but as Southern as they come!) liberal peers can admit given their generally narrow range of experiences. I know. I’ve been priviledged to have known many.

ADITTOHEAD–Duh, we’re gay, not sterile! And FYI, my partner of 35 years (foresaking all others!) and I brought to responsible and productive adulthood three somewhat disturbingly normal kids. Without belaboring the details which, non purient, would not interest you, the two boys are his nephews left orphaned and the girl was “saved” when her mom chose not to abort because of her beliefs.

Name Required: Heh, heh. Over Memorial Day one of our relatives not known for his liberal views came out in support of gay marriage. His rationale, and I do believe he was serious, was “y’all’ve been gay long enough. It’s time you get your equal share of misery!”

MYA–Thanks, great job! Much appreciated.

Lowell

June 1st, 2009
6:09 pm

Virtually all children go through a latency stage during which they prefer friends of their own gender and generally think that the other gender has cooties. During that stage it is not uncommon for kids to ask parents whether girls can marry girls and boys can marry boys. From time immemorial in every human civilization, the simple answer has been “no.”

Curiosity satisfied, 95% to 98% of kids then mature into a normal heterosexual orientation. If the answer to tender children at an impressionable age were “yes” they would be prime targets for recruiting – direct indirect — by homosexuals. The effect of such social experimentation on our already vulnerable civilization is incalculable.

I say accommodate the frailty of humanity by legalizing civil unions with most of the right associated with marriage, but do not call it marriage. Let parents continue to honestly answer “no” when their children ask that question.

Cafe

June 1st, 2009
6:15 pm

In response to Barry, religious freedom and payment of sin should be an individuals choice. Isn’t that how America got started in the first place – religious freedom? One should not FORCE their religious beliefs on others. If gays choose to be married, they should be allowed to be married and miserable like the rest of us married people. America is so hypocritical. The constitution specifically guarantees separation between church and state yet anti-gay marriage supporters say gays shouldnt be allowed to marry due to “religious” reasons. Everything should be an individual choice. Gays marrying is not like murder. If gays can’t marry than those heterosexual white men should not be allowed to perform rectum intercourse with their wives, or the mistresses or lovers they go see while cheating on their wives.

Gary

June 1st, 2009
6:28 pm

“…freedom means freedom for everyone,” you say.
Makes me wonder why my, personal, freedom, as a christian is pushed aside, whenever some atheistic group demands their own freedom.

sotomayor

June 1st, 2009
6:40 pm

I wonder if Cheney’s family life may allow him to show empathy toward the his daughter’s situation. Seems like the richness of his experiences may allow him to reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.

josef nix

June 1st, 2009
6:50 pm

Lowell–oy, Mate, first off it’s 10% (15% among the Irish and Sephardic Jews–only the males, the females still get their 10%. ) Secondly using your line of logic then heterosexuals are equally prone to recruit. Finally, don’t go giving me the “civil union” two step. When everybody has to go to the Civil Union Bureau to take out a Civil Union License, I’ll go for it.

REAL Republican–save me your regional bias and bigotries. The Northwest? Went to college up there. We had to come home. Never had I experienced such blatant anti-Semitism and never hadt my Better Half experienced such anti-Indian (oops, Native American) hostility.

GT–that phrase hit me the wrong way at first, too, a sort of knee jerk reaction. Then I had to think about it. I realized that I say it, too. I’ve “had to” live with being gay. It’s what I am. I’ve “had to” listen to all matter of folks who didn’t have the vaguest notion of what they were talking about, or that they were talking to one. I’ve “had to” keep from strangling the Obamaniacs who just can’t understand why I loathe he who comes spouting support of Prop 8 because of his “faith,” who trots out that hate monger preacher Warren to “bless” his administration and who refuses to rescind don’t ask, don’t tell. Then I’ve “had to” deal with their mealy-mouthed “it’s not the right time, just wait…” Well, then, it certainly wasn’t in Cheney’s political best interest. Go back to the top and read Coastal Cavalier. Go find out what Bob Barr said in recanting his error when it certainly wasn’t in his best interest to do so.

I’m a lifelong and proud liberal in matters of public policy, but fact is, the better deal is coming from the conservatives. I feel somewhat like Chief John Ross when he begged audience with Lincoln to help him in his efforts to keep the Cherokee nation allied with the Union and was ignored. He went home and told his people that the truth was, the better deal was coming from Richmond and he would not stand in their way.

josef nix

June 1st, 2009
7:09 pm

Gary–atheistic group? However secular I may be in my public life, I am deeply religious in my personal life. I’m not particularly pious. You need to be reminded of when the French Jews were liberated under Napolean. He called a Sanhedrin and posed them the question of their identity. The response was “a Jew at home, a man on the street.” If I want to follow the rules of Kasruth in my own kitchen, leave me the hell alone. If I come telling Big Daddy’s they can’t serve pork barbecue…

Thankfully, I know many, many Christians of various sects who try to practice the teachings of their L-rd and Saviour according to their understanding thereof without feeling it necessary to exclude others or demand that “you believe as I believe or be damned.”

josef nix

June 1st, 2009
7:11 pm

Okay, Jewcowboy, this one is for you…
G-d made me a homosexual and if I give H-m some yarn, H-’ll make you one, too!

Barry

June 1st, 2009
7:28 pm

Excuse me CAFE. When did “Gay Rights” become a religion??? This is a group of sinners who organize and march to continue their sins. I see no other sinner “MARCH” to continue their “SINS” for “homsexual/Gay Rights.” We all are sinners. However, we are to “DECREASE” our sins not “increase” our sins in our effort to to come into god’s glory. God gave us a MIND, SPIRIT, and the WORD to discern “RIGHTEOUSLY”. Please use them in this regard before you leave this EARTH…

josef nix

June 1st, 2009
7:43 pm

Barry–yes, G-d gave us mind, spirit and the word to discern rightously, but he left it to us to do it. Your faith has two VERY important guiding principles: “All have sinned and come short of the glory of G-d,” and “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Now if as you say it’s a group of sinners who have organized and continue their sins, and all have sinned and fallen short, then we can say as much about any organized group be it the Rotary Club, the Ladies Flower Club or the local Whatever Church.

“And G-d wept within his portals.”

Barry

June 1st, 2009
7:51 pm

Josef Nix. These groups you mentioned, sorry to say, “DO NOT MARCH TO CONTINUE THEIR SINS!!”. If you know of a group let me know, and I will be consistant, and tell them to “REPENT” also. Read the Bible and start discerning Josef Nix. May God Bless You in this Endeavor.

Master

June 1st, 2009
8:31 pm

Isnt this the Cheney that voted against stopping aparthied in South Africa.So his daughter is Gay and has a female lover. Where is the religious right on this guy.Where are the bible thumpers from Kennesaw that been giving Dick all thier payroll pay checks.

Meltdown

June 1st, 2009
9:19 pm

OK, I was having fun for awhile chuckling over how Rush and the Jayzus crowd was going to get over all this. Then it came to me where I had heard this before. “A matter for the states to decide?” Does anybody hear the echo of Strom Thurmond and George Wallace? They were all about “states rights” when the Feds told them it wasn’t nice to hang black voters anymore – back when wingnuts were Democrats. Now that most of their minions have gone over to the Publicans they’re beating that tired drum again (unless the state OK’s medical marijuana or assisted suicide – then it’s bad). Since Dick never had an idea Karl Rove didn’t give him I’d be willing to bet it’s nothing more than a cynical attempt to energize the base.

Cynthia Tucker McKinney

June 1st, 2009
10:33 pm

Cheney has said this all along, big Jim!! It was the left that used this issue, along with you and the other wh*res in the State-Run media, to divide the country. Over 60% of Americans polled, I guess this includes the illegals that we are no longer to exclude from public discourse, have rejected the redefinition of marriage on a federal level. But as usual the left leaves out the fact that of that 60% of those that opposed federal action ins upport of Gay-Lesbian marriage a majority supports the right of the states to decide the issue. I hate to fuffle some feather boas, but in those states that have voted on the issue the public has soundly rejected such efforts. Some states twice (CA)!! The left is addicted to exploiting wedge issues (why elese did Obama pick Sotomajor, you know Obama is smart enough to research her past and her past racist comments) and attacking Dick Cheney. This issue will eventually backfire on the left and they will blame Bush or Cheney of the current Republican party member of the moment when it does. OOOOOOH, I know they will blame Rush!! That’s it. Anyway Jimbo, I am proud that you are still kicking anorexia’s arse, and I cannot wait for the weekly hit on Plain and the obligatory SNL/Comedy Central video. Much love, yo!!!!

Fanny B Tender

June 2nd, 2009
8:35 am

What about beastiablity…is it ok to marry my goat? Well based on the argument that the homo’s are “born that way” then the obvious answer is yes.

Some people are born as pedophiles, some born with a tendencey towards children, some born with a tendency towards same sex, some with a tendency towards beastiality. Therefore all these should be made lawful because everyone is a victim nowadays and NO ONE should be denied their right to practice pro-creation albiet with a child, same sex, animal, vegetable or mineral.

If the door is opened for homo’s then we must welcome in those others born with inherently deviant behaviors because “its not their fault.”

ladyliberty

June 2nd, 2009
8:38 am

I saw the headline — something to do with Dick Cheney and “should get shot”… oh it’s “get shot AT!” that’s different! Evidently his choice of words and the headline have garnered a lot of clever comments!

Some not so clever. This is not news. Cheney has said it before. He said it during the 2004 debate with Mr. Breck Girl.

I think unions with benefits and marriages are two different things. The state should get the hell out of marriages. Leave them to the churches. Let churches of all sorts have a monopoly on the marriage gig.

But if we insist on subsidizing marriage and mixing secular law with spiritual marriage, then let’s open it up. Legalize all marriages between consenting adults. It’s not my business how someone else lives UNLESS and UNTIL they threaten someone’s life or property.

ladyliberty

June 2nd, 2009
8:39 am

p.s. Of course it should be decided state by state and not at the federal level.

Copyleft

June 2nd, 2009
8:51 am

Good ideas, LadyLiberty. That’s how you know the government will never go for them.

Fanny: “is it ok to marry my goat?”
Well, that depends on whether your goat is above the age of consent and can sign a legally binding contract. I’m guessing no, the same as with children.

So what else ya got?

Fanny B Tender

June 2nd, 2009
9:20 am

LOL…is that all you got CopyLeft?

The age of consent in Sweden is 14. Beastilaity was made legel along with homosexuality back during the 50’s. Legal consent would of course sway with the liberalisms or not of the courts. This being the case you counterpoint is pointless.

“If ya cant be with the homo you love honey love the homo your with.”

DW

June 2nd, 2009
9:28 am

Dick Cheney is right. Marriage is a state issue. Leave the federal government out of it.